Ridiculous Reuters/Ipsos Poll Gives MittWits Romnegasms

This silly poll has the MittWits all revved up.

We are awash in poll data these days, but two recent surveys, both offering grounds for optimism, are worth singling out. The first is a Reuters-Ipsos poll released earlier today that finds Mitt Romney with a 21-point lead in South Carolina. Reuters-Ipsos has Romney at 37%, with Ron Paul and Rick Santorum at 16% each.

It's hardly worth singling out given that it was conducted online and polled as many Democrats as Republicans, while using registered, not likely voters. I'm not sure there could be a weaker methodology. 

The Reuters/Ipsos poll was conducted online from January 10-13 with a sample of 995 South Carolina registered voters. It included 398 Republicans and 380 Democrats.

It also looks to be an outlier if one looks at all recent South Carolina polls via Real Clear Politics.

Comments

[HTW]

Now he's buying votes!

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/01/romney-gives-unemployed-woman-cash-on-ropeline/

[reliapundit]

BEST ELECTION ADVICE OF THE YEAR

GERARD VAN DER LEUN: This is not a “Vote-For” election. This is a “Vote-Against” election. This is not a “Sit-It-Out-And-Pout” election. This is a “Get-Obama-Out” election. That is what it is about and that is all it is about.
Posted at 8:38 pm by Glenn Reynolds

[Eroc]

Dan. You seem a bit excited and over-the-top. I recommend a relaxer. I am worried about you.

[LBJohnson]

A further investigation shows that only Republicans were polled with regards to Republican candidates. The Democrats were included only with regards to the question of general election against Obama. Nevertheless, I agree that it is likely an outlier inconsistant with the several tighter races.

[John Galt Jr.]

Damn that Romney, people do not look at the polls.. Rick Perry is still the only Conservative Republican who can beat Obama. I feel the Perry-Mentum !!!

[sickofrinos]

get used to sucker polls, it's that season.
The last election was a vote-against, as well. How the f did that work out?

[KLSmith]

sicko - actually it worked out pretty well. for all the idiots that thought that by voting against McCain they also got to vote against Bush. that's part of why they were so willing to be blind to all of Obama's red flags.

[KLSmith]

That is a good essay by Van Der Leun. We better pray people are ready to quit pouting by November. It is what it is. Why so many think we will still have a country to save if Obama gets 4 more years is a mystery to me. Do you really think a divided government is going to stop him? Another entitlement boondoggle gets up and running, more people counting on gov't handouts, more regulations, a couple of more liberal SCOTUS judges. Yeah, after 8 yrs of Obama we can all get on our white horses and ride into DC with our cap guns to save the country. Because that would be way better than voting for Romney.

[gary gulrud]

New boss same as the old boss.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/presenting-mitt-romneys-top-campaign-contributors

Larry Kudlow, Permabull, who quotes fraudlent BLS, Commerce, CPI, GDP statistics without comment week in, week out, has totally had it with Newt and Perry, avatar's of EEEE VIL. Buy stocks on margin today with Momma's jewelry rubes.

GOP wants another turn at unfettered sway, because the knuckledraggers that voted for a change in 2008 were duped. Duped as their crossed stars no doubt.

[sickofrinos]

Personally, I voted against obama. I am tired of pulling the lever for the establishment candidate of the day. Burning d.c. to the ground will be the only way to clean house. I will never vote for mittens in the primary. Nor should any of you.

[gary gulrud]

Really can't wait to see what Boehner, McConnell and Romany can do to bend the curve of spending.

Which way is down?

[sickofrinos]

Thanks for the laugh, gary.

[m]

It is the liberal poll. I will not vote for Romney in the primary and election. He is not my choice because I know he is not conservative and he is a liberal Democrat. Romney believe in raise taxes, still don't how to create jobs, TARP, he is for abortion's right, and gays in the military. And Romney still will not release his income tax.

[Reaganite Republican]

Last poll I saw yesterday had Newt closing fast... small wonder the MSM is trumpeting this rubbish today

[Ragspierre]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/clogging-our-ports-with-rules/2012/01/13/gIQAJpOFxP_story.html

Why we can't compete, and...

one of the many ways Obama is making it worse.

[EBL]

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/49654#more-49654 Don Surber has the numbers. It does look good for Mitt Romney. Sorry to tell you that (really), but it does. The only hope is to put the Gingrich and Perry campaigns out of their misery and support Santorum. I am sure Newt and Rick Perry will put their personal ambitions aside for the good of party and country...

yeah. Sure they will.

[Ragspierre]

Why shouldn't Santorum drop out? See how silly all that gets?

[EBL]

http://evilbloggerlady.blogspot.com/2012/01/number-obama-fears-most.html Because Santorum is a better conservative, his numbers are better, and they are heading in the right direction.

[Ragspierre]

Not so much, EBL. From my POV, Santorum is a very dubious Conservative, and no friend of liberty.

A basic test is a candidate's support for economic liberty, and Santorum fails badly.

[sickofrinos]

The wearer vest guy likes to spend tax dollars. In large quantities for questionable programs or bridges.

[Pasadena Phil]

Posted by: gary gulrud | Sunday, January 15, 2012 at 05:42 AM

Compare that to Obama's top campaign donors:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cid=N00009638

Notice that they are mostly the same donors? Notice also that they are almost all (if not all, I can't tell) major recipients of the TARP and Porkulus taxpayer money give-aways? In other words, the US taxpayer is funding the entire $2B cost of this election. While voters are fixated on what the polymorphic chameleons SAY, who do you think the candidates will be thinking about should they win? Us or the money?

The big fear strategy of the "Anybody but Obama" crowd is to get everyone to pledge that they will vote for whatever liberal the GOP establishment crams down our throat rendering anything we say pointless. They already have those votes. We are just abused spouses who keep attacking the cop when they show up to save us.

It's about the money and the same money is funding "both" parties. It's not about the lesser of two evils this year, it's the less of THREE evils. We need a brokered convention if conservatives are going to have a voice and that means withholding our support until we get it. Like it or not, that is why Ron Paul will be a major factor. Like it or not, he's the only game in town these days. Like it or not, he's the only one who actually means what he says.

[Pasadena Phil]

BTW Gary if it wasn't clear, I completely agree with your comment.

[Ragspierre]

Like it or not, Filly is a nutter. When that happened is hard to say...

Kinda sad, really...

[EBL]

Rags, Rick Santorum is not my idea of the ideal conservative. I agree with you on that. Unfortunately out of the Mitt, Newt, Rick P, he is the best. And that is not saying a lot.

[EBL]

http://www.breitbart.tv/newt-booed-by-south-carolina-crowd-for-bain-attacks/

[Pasadena Phil]

Raggie, don't you wish you had refrained from being the self-appointed thread monitor for Michelle Malkin? Bitter fate for such a smug idiot isn't it? Did you learn anything? No. You are still the smug idiot you were then. Enjoy it. Nobody cares what you say or think.

[Ragspierre]

Why, EBL, are we considering a "not-conservative"...???

To this extent, I agree with Filly...this is a situation where we need to consider another candidate than those on the stage.

Not EVER Paul, but SOME-stinking-body besides those we have now.

[Ragspierre]

Gee, Filly, your post belies your assertion.

Obviously, you care.

Enough even to lie.

[sickofrinos]

West\2012

[sickofrinos]

Scott\2012

[zane]

Pasadena Phil: "Like it or not, he's [Paul] the only one who actually means what he says."

Huuuummmm, does that also include when he told those of us who supported him, and campaigned for him, in his early years, that he would only serve two terms and was self-imposing term limits? Does that also include his crusade, from the beginning, against pork barrel projects only to load them up for his district in bills he knew were sure to pass?

Perhaps you would like to tell us exactly which point Paul actually means what he says because to those of us who were in his district and actively campaigned for him, he is a major promise breaker.

Or maybe he really meant what he wrote in the Ron Paul letters, things that he now claims he didn't write but has not offered up the author in his own defense. So how about giving us some solid proof of what he claims compared to what he has actually done in his wasted 23 years of drawing a taxpayer funded paycheck.

[Godzilla]

A Social Conservative is the worst of all candidates. Nothing is more important than personal freedom to live as one chooses. Even Ron Paul would be a better president than Santorum. And no, I'm not a supporter of Ron Paul.

[BR]

Quote: " We better pray people are ready to quit pouting by November. It is what it is.
...
... Another entitlement boondoggle gets up and running, more people counting on gov't handouts ... "

Precisely. And do you think the resulting effect on the debt ceiling is going to wait four more years before it falls in on our heads? I'm looking forward to Americans forcibly having to face the results of their delusions, during a Democratic administration. If Mr. Romney were in office, which party's principles would get the blame? H.L. Mencken wrote that "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard." That is the only way the American voter will ever figure out the long term way forward. We've seen enough of the Bush/Romney (D-lite) syndrome to know what it inevitably cycles back to, dithering mush followed by a Democrat savior (Clinton, Obama) being elected in triumph. If, after the results of Obama's first term, America doesn't want to elect a conservative, far better that it gets a genuine Democrat to be the figurehead of the collapse.

[sickofrinos]

BR- What if the house and senate can get enough Tea Party types to control the congress? That would force Romney to flip to the conservative side.
I know, smoke another one.

[KLSmith]

BR - Any other time, I would probably agree with you. However, Obama is not any other Democrat and this is not any other time. The other problem with your theory - a lot of Americans are never going to get it. EVER. The only time they see the news is either standing in line at the grocery store, stuck at the airport, or maybe catching Jon Stewart. The MSM, if they even turn off Dancing with the Stars, will tell them it's the Republicans fault.
A sucky place holder like Romney gives US a chance to live and fight another day. Obama finishes ( and I mean completely ) the opportunity to live as a somewhat free man in a somewhat free country.
What difference does it make if decades later people blame Obama? Do you think Europe is going to right itself? No? How will we be able to when we become a huge indebted wefare state just like them and when the Supreme Court tips to mostly liberal, when Obama uses executive action to allow illegal immigration, when he finishes giving all our military technology to our enemies?
When he said he was going to fundamentally transform America, he meant it; you should believe him. And stop him. Because, IF and when enough Americans wake up it will be too late.
A RINO is not just as bad as a determined Marxist.

[EBL]

I was reeling from the Greenbay loss today, so hearing Huntsman is going to drop out and endorse Romney (or is it Obama) does not surprise me. Oh well.

But if given the choice between Romney and Obama, I would chose Romney. Yes it is losing more slowly. But more slowly is still better than faster. And there is a slight chance Romney might actually be good. The chance is slight, but it is not existent with Obama.

[sickofrinos]

EBL-It could be worse- You could be a viqueens fan!!

[EBL]

S.E. Cupp has one of the funniest articles I have seen in a long time: http://tinyurl.com/747l28j Newt Gingrich, Natural Woman. Ouch!

[EBL]

Yes sickofirnos, it could be worse.

[EBL]

S.E. Cupp has one of the funniest articles I have seen in a long time: http://tinyurl.com/747l28j Newt Gingrich, Natural Woman... Ouch!

[John Galt Jr.]

InsiderAdvantage/Majority Opinion
Survey of 720 likely voters
538 poll weight:
Mitt Romney 32 %
Newt Gingrich 21
Ron Paul 14
Rick Santorum 13
Jon Huntsman 6
Rick Perry 5

Rasmussen
Survey of 750 likely voters
538 poll weight:
Mitt Romney 28 %
Newt Gingrich 21
Ron Paul 16
Rick Santorum 16
Rick Perry 6
Jon Huntsman 5

New Frontier Strategy
Survey of 810 likely voters
538 poll weight:
Mitt Romney 32 %
Newt Gingrich 23
Rick Santorum 14
Ron Paul 10
Rick Perry 6

[Ragspierre]

Meanwhile, unemployment in the US is running about 15%, using more honest numbers than the Collective likes.

And Obama is steadily making it much worse.

[BR]

Sundry quotes: "Any other time, I would probably agree with you. .... What difference does it make if decades later people blame Obama? "
" ... I would chose Romney. Yes it is losing more slowly. But more slowly is still better than faster."

Every four years, establishment Republicans lecture us that "This election is the most important one in our lifetime!" I can't remember how many times I've heard that. They count on the attention span of most voters being around six months, quite successfully, I might note.

From the WSJ, quoted in a Saul Anuzis newsletter: “What is called the tea party is the rightward part of the conservative base. They became angry that they had trusted the Republican establishment during a Republican presidency, only to see that establishment run up huge debt, launch foreign wars, contribute to the surveillance state, and refuse to control America's borders. What made the anger deeper is that they were angry at themselves. They felt complicit: They had not rebelled, they had trusted the party: "They're the GOP establishment, they must know what they're doing." What the conservative base had learned by 2008 is: Don't trust the Republican party. Don't trust its establishments. The old loyalty was over. It may or may not come back."

And if no one has learned anything since, from choosing a McRomney to run against an Obama, I don't know what else to say. Another quote: "This is a high stakes game of chicken with the establishment. The only way to win it is the nuclear option."

Some of us don't seem to get it. The money Just Isn't There. By conservative accounting, the national debt is now approaching $140,000 for every U.S. taxpayer, and more if you consider future obligations. When the lenders finally realize it can't ever be paid back, credit will dry up and the party will end. When the Social Security checks are cut in half, or don't arrive, when Obamacare ends for lack of money, when welfare and government spending drops off to a trickle, what will be the effect on the economy? Will the welfare half of the U.S. wait "decades later" to blame the current administration?

If there were a prospect of a real conservative in the presidential race who would veto debt limit extensions, or simply direct that there be no more borrowing, a controlled crash would be a plausible alternative to full speed ahead over the cliff. As it stands today, that isn't in sight.

The time to face facts and deal with reality is now, not patch things together for a few more years. Give the Democrats enough rope to hang themselves in spectacular 1930's style fashion, and nobody will fall for their baloney for at least another generation.

[Ragspierre]

"This election is the most important one in our lifetime!"

Do you reject that proposition?

[BR]

I believe it every bit as much as I did four years ago.

[Ragspierre]

Hmmm...

I did not believe it four years ago.

I do now, this cycle. Of course, I do not assume Romney.

But, like Steyn, I think we may have already passed the point of no return. I hope not, hence the hope for this cycle.

[Neo]

Obama has pretty much decided to take his ball and go home already. Imagine 4 years of Obama with a Republican controlled House and Senate.

Obama has to be careful not to show what this would be like, else a “do-nothing Congress” could be replaced with a “Pigheaded President” as the problem to be solved by this election. His own meme could be turned on it’s head.

Many independents, who might vote for Obama otherwise, will not stand for 4 years of name-calling and finger-pointing.

[Ricky]

"A sucky place holder like Romney gives US a chance to live and fight another day"

You really trust the Republican party. I don't. They can keep their Romney.

[HTW]

I am afraid of Romney. We've got big picture long-term issues that I worry Mitt doesn't care about. He is Bush and Obama-style crony capitalism. He will be hooking up the people who fund his campaign war chest. He will not make the country a better place. He's not even better than Obama. He IS Obama. Pay close attention folks, because here is the sobering thought of the day. If Romney runs and loses, then we get Obama for four more years. If Romney runs and WINS, it means at least EIGHT more years without a conservative president because Romney will be the nominee again in 2016.

How do we stop this train wreck?

[m]

It is the race for Romney to lose if he does get the nominee. It is going to be Karl Rove's fault. I didn't watch the debate tonight from SC because I am getting tired of watching it. I really think that Newt Gingrich did the better debate than other candidates so far. And, I don't think the primary election over yet.