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>As Palin noted, if she can win a case against Gawker for releasing the contents of her book, what is this government waiting for when it comes to WikiLeaks?

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Yeah, it's totally the same thing.

>all the culprits for treason.

If someone isn't a citizen of the USA is it possible to try them for treason?

I know I'm in a tiny minority here, but to me the problem isn't so much Wikileaks releasing the information as it is that they got the information in the first place. There are always people who disagree with your policies and are willing to play whistleblower - the Internet makes this easy to do and impossible to stop. Trying to solve the problem this way is like trying to deal with a million-square-foot building infested with cockroaches armed only with a small and broken toothpick.

Don't want your secrets on the Internet? Then don't freaking leak them.

you cant try them for treason unless they criticize obama obviously


Perhaps Cubachi meant to suggest trying for treason the US citizen's who leaked the material.

But for Palin, Bolton, et al - this will be almost entirely about Obama.
There's actually not much of substance revealed here that hasn't already been duly reported by the 'lamestream media'. But I know you guys don't read/trust them, so understandable if what is reported here comes as a shocking revelation.
Reportedly, the docs shows the Obama admin more fully and effectively engaged on the Iran issue than when Bolton had an actual role.
But my guess is Bolton will ignore all that. And as for Palin, the leaks reminded her of the leaks of her memoir (available now at Amazon and other fine retailers!)?
You betcha.


>trying for treason the US citizen's who leaked the material.

Someone who let the world know that American diplomats think the President of Afghanistan is useless should be put to death?

mike: "Reportedly, the docs shows the Obama admin more fully and effectively engaged on the Iran issue than when Bolton had an actual role."

Ok, I'll play.

Please explain how you are measuring "effectiveness" vis a vis US/Iran diplomatic relations and demonstrate how the obama admin has a higher effective "effectiveness" "score" than the Bush admin.

This should be both fun and "enlightening".

Given what the left's constant undermining of law and warfare has wrought over the last few years what does Assange, or anyone else who would follow in his footsteps, have to fear from us? There is no way he's ever going to go anyplace where an airstrike could kill him, and there is no way we sanction a hit within the borders of any European country. Even if we did snatch him up he'd never have to surrender his sources and knows that he would never face trial or tribunal of any sort.

His 'fame' is his greatest security.

Beelzebub has to be as nervous as a squirrel in a tree full of eagles. Food tasters, hour late to every announced appearance, decoy sharp-dressed men of color, decoy limos, sleeps in the bunker in a lazy-boy facing the door.

Snake-bit nothing.

Drago,
I'll let you do your own reading and 'playing' -
but it's been quite clear, reported and whined about by folks like Bolton that Obama chose a different course than his predecessor...with 'engagement' sort of being the operative word.
As for a debate about 'effectiveness', there are certainly many who feel that this administration's approach has brought forth both a more accurate and revealing picture of Iran's nuclear program - and has been more successful at getting sanctions in place (even with Russia on board) - thus further encouraging further 'cooperation' from Iran on these issues.
The Bush/Bolton 'no talking' approach didn't seem to yield any results at all. Same goes with N. Korea, where they circular filed all of the Clinton admin's efforts and went with the silent treatment there as well. And then they went and set off a nuke.
But hey, I bet you see it all differently. As does Bolton. As does Pat Buchanan.
No matter - Bush & co. had their turn.
Fail.
Obama and team is still in the middle of their turn.
So we'll see...
(And you do wish them success here...right?)


Marc Thiessen @wapo sez:
"Just this past week, the federal government took decisive action to shut down more than 70 Web sites that were disseminating pirated music and movies. Hollywood is safe, but WikiLeaks is free to disseminate classified documents without consequence."

This is a bad joke

"If someone isn't a citizen of the USA is it possible to try them for treason?"

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The person who leaked the documents is a US citizen.

"Reportedly, the docs shows the Obama admin more fully and effectively engaged on the Iran issue than when Bolton had an actual role."

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Reportedly, by who? Who's doing this "reporting"?

Mike, you made an assertion regarding the relative "effectiveness" of the obama admin policies compared to the policy of the previous administration.

Yet, a simple question of how you arrived at that conclusion resulted in you saying only that "there are certainly many who feel that this administration's approach has brought forth both a more accurate and revealing picture of Iran's nuclear program - and has been more successful at getting sanctions in place (even with Russia on board) - thus further encouraging further 'cooperation' from Iran on these issues."

Well, I guess all I have to do to refute such a "powerful" and "persuasive" argument is to identify "many who feel that this administration's approach has NOT brought forth both a more accurate and revealing picture of Iran's nuclear program - and has NOT been more successful at getting sanctions in place (even with Russia on board) - thus further encouraging further 'cooperation' from Iran on these issues."

Seriously Mike, that was just a big pile of mush you offered. Nothing more.

Now, in fairness, so much of what is occurring (in any administration) is hidden, and only in hindsight will we have an accurate view of the actual RESULTS arising from policy decisions.

Mike, your comment sounds too much like the 2008 campaign slogans of obambi and crew as well as the Nobel for "nuttin' yet" that obambi received.

We'll know in time what the results are.

For now, I'm quite pleased to see that the STUXNET virus seems to be having it's intended impact along with the continuing and "mysterious" (and quite "sudden") explosive demise of some of Iran's nuclear scientists.

To the extent that obambi has authorized or encouraged these actions, then I sing his praises. However, we really don't know what that "extent" is as of yet. However, in the absence of contrary information, I will simply assume obambi is behind it and I applaud his actions.

I'd put my money on Mossad being behind the demise of Iran's nuclear scientists.

Drago,
Well let's agree then that the jury is still out on the Obama admin's Iran efforts.
Not so for Bush.
Yes, you can counter 'Many feel' with 'Well, others feel'.
And you can call it 'mush', but then what would you call this:
'sounds too much like the 2008 campaign slogans of obambi and crew as well as the Nobel for "nuttin' yet" that obambi received....'super mush'?

"To the extent that obambi has authorized or encouraged these actions, then I sing his praises"

I'm with Suze. The snuff was:

1. In America's interest.
2. Brilliant.

Tantamount to proof Ogabe was not involved.

The CIA a few years back reported Iran had abandoned it's effort to make and deliver 'nuke WMDs'. They have no one solid in place. Remember the Iraqi double who blew away a dozen?

Until hard evidence surfaces, e.g., the bombers rode a Harley, American involvement is fabulist blather.

Beelzebub is our enemy. Even the 53%, his useful idiots, are ciphers in his gaze.

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