Fire Pelosi: What We Won Tonight

You may have to wait for the GOP's new Fire Pelosi site to open. It's that jammed and donations are pouring in.

Powerline points to some silver linings.

This bill has limited benefit for the middle class, though it does have some. It isn't as if the system didn't need reform. But, as always, Obama has over-promised. And not only will this under deliver, as the reality of the reform becomes known, it won't be popular. Obama fancies himself part Lincoln, part FDR. He's neither, in point of fact.

Most importantly, the Democrats are exposed. Obama flushed them out of their hole to save himself. That's not a hero, it's a selfish traitor to his party. On top of that, we now have what matters most on the heels of this fiasco - something to fight for. And fight we will.

And we will win in the end. Too many solid citizens were already up in arms, taking to the streets before this. Those numbers will not shrink. They will grow exponentially. As the saying goes, this is not the beginning of the end. It is the end of the beginning.

Let them have their self-congratulatory night and day or two. They've been drunk on power and ideology throughout this debate. Kicking the snot out of them when their hangover sets in - and it will -  may be the political highlight of many of our lives.

Comments

[david r]

Seems like a return to the economic woes of the Carter years, before Reagan - Bush ushered in 12 years of Republican presidency.

[elaine]

Do they realize they've made democrats virtually unelectable in much of the country?

Do they realize that won't change in seven months?

[FatBaldnSassy]

I don't see what the Dems are going to pick up from all of this- their voters are still theirs, and everyone else despises them right now. Only time will tell, but it looks to me like they've saddled themselves with a great big albatross just in time for the 2010 elections.

[Orion]

I'm not saying this SHOULD happen, but it would surely be interesting if a million pissed off Americans were to march on Washington and drag all the Dems responsible for this monstrosity out of their offices and then ride them out of DC on a rail,covered in tar and feathers.

Can you imagine what the media coverage would look like? Be amusing, if nothing else.

Orion

[mark l.]

kinda like the iraq war resolution, with the exception that it lacked bipartisan support, and has smaller majorites in both houses.

but we all know how dems will stick to their votes and stay committed to what they voted for despite growing public displeasure.

if this is a war resolution, it schedules the invasion for 2014...
so much could happen between now and then.

3 congresses from now, the army the dems plan on going to war with might have lost a tad in size, along with a president who has staked his presidency to an unpopular plan, that offers little for the next six years, despite his being up for election in a little more than two years.

[Vero]

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=287806148754&ref=ts running against Stupak

[cnredd]

For anyone who believes that healthcare is a right, consider this...

The right of free speech...You also have the right NOT to exercise your right of free speech if you'd like...

The right to assemble...You also have the right NOT to exercise your right to assemble if you'd like...

The right to bare arms...You also have the right NOT to exercise your right to bare arms if you'd like...

But the right to healthcare?...Doesn't pass the smell test...

You are FORCED BY LAW now to be part of the plan irrelevant of whether or not you wanted to exercise that ability...

Therefore, it is, unequivically, NOT a "right"...

cnredd
PoliticalWrinkles.com

[Darth Venomous]

"I don't see what the Dems are going to pick up from all of this- their voters are still theirs, and everyone else despises them right now. Only time will tell, but it looks to me like they've saddled themselves with a great big albatross just in time for the 2010 elections."

That's not even the half of it, FBS. Drudge has a blurb about the US on the cusp of losing its AAA credit rating.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYUeBnitz7nU

"While Treasuries backed by the full faith and credit of the government typically yield less than corporate debt, the relationship has flipped as Moody’s Investors Service predicts the U.S. will spend more on debt service as a percentage of revenue this year than any other top-rated country except the U.K. America will use about 7 percent of taxes for debt payments in 2010 and almost 11 percent in 2013, moving “substantially” closer to losing its AAA rating, Moody’s said last week."

This, combined with the events of this evening, don't bode terribly well for the stock market. I'm not a prognosticator by any stretch of the imagination (and, given that I'm talking about it, it likely won't happen now), but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Dow nosedive beginning tomorrow morning. A return to the 6,000s might not be out of the question.

Should the economy re-tank in 2010...well, guess who's left holding the bag?

"God it's great to come by this sludge pond site and watch all of you losers squirm in your own excrement tonight. Dan, you're such a boring, dishonest fraud that I never waste my time posting here any more, but it's sweet to watch you lose big like tonight. Some people deserve respect and graciousness when they lose. Not you. LOL."

While you continue to hide behind your daddy's fat a$$ and give him that rim job, eh, Roberta?

_Dance_, boy, *_dance!!!!_*

[mark l.]

gosh bob,
are you go to show to brag when unemployment gets below 9% as well?

it might be a while.

[Graham Storey]

After nine Alaska time, after One on the East Coast. The site collected over $1,200 in the time it took me to fill out my pledge.

[Concerned One]

I wish I could be as optimistic about 2010 as people seem to be. Don't forget - ACORN is still there, and will get many bucks from Health Care Reform Bill, SEIU is still there, and now - Amnesty for illegal immigrants. Regardless of whether it passes or not, it will gain a lot of supporting votes from those American citizens who are Latinos. There is a reason the Dems are bringing this up now and it is not altruism. Forgot to mention the Blacks and those receiving jobs as a result of various govt. subsidies and entitlements -
So - put them together - Black Voters, Latino Voters, SEIU Voters, Recipients of government entitlement Voters - and the rest of the Democratic liberal base - and 2010 may not be a trip to the beach - no matter how dissatisified and mad the rest of us are.
And, yes, I know all of those people don't vote as a block - but ACORN does get out the vote, legally or otherwise. And then there is always Soros' money.
I'm probably wrong, hope so,but I don't think we should be overconfident.

[Darth Venomous]

"This is great news for you, Darth."

So much for your promise never to respond to me again, Roberta. Not surprising to see you're a liar on top of everything else.

"Now you'll be able to afford to go to a doctor and get those undescended testicles of yours taken care of."

Awww, Roberta. Jealous, much? I mean, we all know you don't _have_ any, but...

"Maybe then you won't have to look so pathetic over-compensating for your -- er -- deficiencies."

Said the wussboy after the aforementioned rim-job to his daddy...

"LOL. Victory is sweet, but it's almost as sweet to read all of the grandiose posturing and throwing down of gantlets from the wingers. In fact it's hilarious. Why don't you schmucks whip out your snake flag and jerk off to it. I can't be bothered to stick around and taunt you any more, so I'm going out where the air smells fresh and the people aren't idiots. Later, losers."

Running away again, eh, Roberta? Typical.

[HeatherRadish]

"Do they realize they've made democrats virtually unelectable in much of the country?"

I'm pretty sure they don't care.

[Terry in Alaska]

Dan,

I posted this thread on another site as I felt it was encouragement. You are right though, these Patriots have tried to get through without success. They will continue as they never give up.

Thanks for the encouragement.

[CitizenCain]

What do 21 March 2010 and 7 December 1941 have in common? The United States of America was attacked by an external enemy. War was declared on the USA. Patriots rallied then to defeat the enemy and we will do so again.
The liberals' next effort has already begun - allowing millions of illegal aliens to become citizens and give them YOUR hard earned tax money.
Double your efforts - Protect your money from the Tax Beast; Remove ALL liberals from leadership positions; hold a Constitutional Convention; Take the gloves off. War is Hell. Make them feel it.

[iftheshoefits]

Democrats will be referred to for at least a generation, maybe 50 years, as the party that tried to destroy our health care system, albeit successfully or unsuccessfully. They won't be able to shake this albatross they've just tied themselves to, in either event.

Everything that goes wrong with our health care system, from this point on, is the Democrat's fault. And go wrong it will.

[Nahanni]

Concerned One,

You are right to be worried. Soros and the Corruptocrats have made sure that they have positioned their operatives to be in control of the voter registration and election processes in the individual states. See Ohio for a poster child of that in action.

[Pete]

Paul Ryan for President!

[chip]

I think you're deluded if you think this will be rolled back. Every Western country with socialized health care had private care at some point, and none of them have returned to privatization. As in Canada and the UK, the public will start to depend on their government care and the various political parties will be reduced to arguing about who will spend more to safeguard the benefits.

The war is over. You lost.

[Skywise]

Sorry Chip, this is the USA, not socialist Europe. We'll be the first to return to privatized health care. And then we're going to dismantle every socialist program you weasels have used to keep the poor enslaved to government over the last 50 years.

The war isn't over. Oh no, it's just begun.

[Reaganite Republican]

Put your bong away, Chip... you live in a fantasy world.

THIS country doesn't want it, it was jammed down our throats- and since it doesn't come into effect for years, GOP majorities will surely repeal it by 2013... nobody will be "depending" on anything prior to that.

And just wait and see the backlash when we "find out what's in it"- enjoy your ride on the Hindenburg, sport

lol

[Llarry]

The cruel demands of freedom:

“You will find that I am kind. Unlike the cruel Leonidas, who demanded that you stand, I require only that you kneel.”

---Xerxes, in the film 300

[wargasm]

chip,

You're right, it'll never be rolled back. But the problem with comparing the USA to Canada and the UK, however, is that Canada and the UK have health care systems that relied in many ways upon the American for-profit model which drove R&D and innovation in technology, pharmacology and surgical technique. Also, Canada and the UK (as well as every other country in the world) has always used the US as a sort of safety net... if particular procedures were too costly or impossible to perform in the home country, patients have been routinely shipped to the States for treatment. Sometimes on the public dime, more often paid for by private individuals who did not want to wait for life-saving treatment back home. As the for-profit model dries up in the US, everyone in the world will lose some of the innovation that was funded by corporations competing against one another. And that includes Americans, unless China or India rise to the challenge as part of their rapid ascension to economic power. Not sure that many - or any - of Obama's well-heeled supporters realize that they, too, will be on the six-month waiting list for surgery once a fully socialized system is implemented down the road. There will simply be nowhere else to get those procedures done. Institutes like the Mayo Clinic will be forced to open their doors to all, regardless of income. Wealthy Americans who won't wait their turn will have to leave the country to get care, and wealthy Canadians and Brits currently do.

Providing every citizen with health care is a noble thing. Everyone should just be aware that while the quality of that health care is going to rise dramatically for some of the population, it will also decrease quite noticeably for others. It's a trade-off many countries have been quite happy to make. But as I noted, partly because America was always there to help shoulder the costs.

[mark l.]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

by the poll avgs...

congress has an 18% approval, with a 76% dissapproval.

have to wonder, whether it creeps up to the low 20's, or hits single digits, in the next week. The last time congress held these numbers, was immediately after tarp.

In public perception, the kindest interpretation of healthcare passage would provide that the dems achieved something completely irrelvant to our current fiscal situation.

The plurality of sentiment is going to offer that this was the largest fiscal folly in US history, eclipsing the cost of Iraq in six years, and adding exponentially to the deficit. Explaining how the healthcare bill is having a positive effect on the economy currently, is a talking point I'd like to see.

in some sense it hurts that the govt could act against the will of the people, but the cynic in me is chuckling. real conservatives saw this one coming a long time ago. the people who actually put their chins out, so that they could have their teeth kicked in, were the moderates. the dems didn't put this guy in office...they did.

wonder if they are happy now...

I would offer, imho, that the conservatives should not get obsessive, despite the easy target of healthcare, which encapsualtes pretty much every failure of liberalism. keep the pressure on the wh, on all fronts.

the topics for the summer are actually going to focus more on what is current...
gdp growth, unemployment, state and federal revenue shortfalls, and a supreme court nomination fight.

the people who are going to vote because they are mad about the healthcare bill are in the bag. It's enough to win 40-50 seats in the house, and 5-6 seats in the senate. If obama doesn't get things going, and we slip back into recession, or unemployment increases further you go over 55 house seats and have a 50/50 shot of taking 10 senate seats.

hold these guy accountable for everything.

[unseen]

mark,

you are thinking small. i would not be surprised if we see 120 dem house seats lost. 2010 is shaping up to be the biggest electoral defeat in the history of the USA. People are past being pissed they are now down right anger and mad as hell. 60% of the American people were against this bill. now the dems are going to bring up amnesty where 70-80% are against it. It gets worse from here on out. If i didn't know better i would think the dems are baiting us into open revolt so they can impose martial law and do away with the elections.

[WBestPresidentEver]

"We will not waver, we will not tire, we will not falter, and we will not fail."

Fired up and ready to go. LET'S ROLL !!

[mark l.]

120 seats?
it is beyond my feeble comprehension.

I would offer to you your theory...

those rassmussen numbers, strong approval, strong disapproval...
26-45.

94 had around 39% eligible voter turnout, the largest since 82, which almost hit 40%.
06 was about 37%, which is a little above the average.
the one feature about 94 was the healthcare run, while 82 was characterized by massive deficits, and unemployment in the 10% range.

it is a perfect storm.

walking into a midterm with a 2-1 advantage of voters with strong sentiments might add some creedence to your theory.

I can't imagine how the gop would go about filling their committee positions with 60 seats.
120? no waay.

[bigfingo]

What ever happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you but what can you do for your country". The Dems have bastardized this to "Ask not what your country can do FOR you but what can your country do TO you". The 'Nanny State' just got handed a big stick to beat the formerly free citizens of this country over the head with. The government can't even manage a good bowel movement in the morning much less 1/6 of our economy. They know this (with 60+ years worth of experience they should know)so this bill was about POWER not health care. It is now time to show these miscreants where the POWER really is. Return our country back to one of self sufficiency, self reliance, and fiscal responsibility. We the People do not need a Nanny State because We the People can take care of ourselves. As to this legislation I paraphrase Winston Churchill: "I may be drunk, Miss, but in the morning I will be sober and this legislation will still be ugly."

[Joan of Argghh!]

It's a law only if they can enforce it.

It's our duty to make it as difficult as possible for them to enforce it.

[Ritchie The Riveter]

buckjohnson, then why do so many people from abroad come here for treatment, if US-style health care is so bad?

Keep in mind that much of the innovation exploited by those systems you list, was developed in this for-profit environment ... because profit gave people the incentive to engage in the extensive efforts needed for such innovations to be reduced to practice. Otherwise, exploratory surgery instead of CT/MRI would be the order of the day for many cases, to cite just one example.

Keep in mind, too, that the reason Europe could dabble in such socialism is due to the American expenditure of treasure (not to mention a little blood) in efforts that kept the industrial-strength Soviet version of socialism from being imposed upon them, at little expense to them.

And perhaps, you should exercise restraint before flinging epithets out like monkey poo ... or expect greetings in kind, you small-minded socialist serf.

[Daneil]

Remember the Alamo!!!

[Lightwave]

Step one is to shut down the federal government.

We have 41 votes. No legislation passes. No Senate business is done. No funding for Obamacare. No budget. No nominees. We put 21 blanket holds on everything. No anything.

We filibuster every piece of legislation. Every. Single. One. Nothing passes. We dismantle the government. We make our wrath known. And we tell the Deathocrats NO MORE. We have the power to stop you. AND YOU WILL OBEY THE PEOPLE.

We shut the government down.

We shut the government down.

WE SHUT THE GOVERNMENT DOWN.

This bill is the last piece of legislation Barack Obama signs. Nothing will ever reach his desk again. Make it happen, 41 Republican Senators.

[M. Simon]

The great imponderable is the 30% to 50% (more or less) that don't vote in elections. My guess is that a lot of them will be motivated. Say we can get just 1/2 of that 30% to the polls.

No seat is safe. Not one.

What to do? Voter registration drives. Massive voter registration drives. Starting now.

[Barry Soetoro (D-King Of The World!)]

Bow your heads bitter-clingers,, BOW YOUR HEADS!!

OsamaHusseinIslamObama 2012′
(the terrorist-Uighur-ACORN-media choice)
-It’s never too early to campaign-

[Al Reasin]

We are partially to blame! Congress outlasted us as they thought they would; they moved to use political trickery to achieve their goals as we maintained our same efforts; laud rallies, writing and Emailing. We were late to even demonstrate at congressional offices and who picketed their Rep`s and Senator`s offices as I did and where was my support for continuous picketing or my standing at street corners for 30 weeks with messages to alert my fellow Americans. We never ramped up our activities to peaceful sit-ins and disruption of government and congressional offices.

Had MLK used our limited methods, chances are we would still have some form of segregation. The sucessful 1999 TN Tax Revolt was instigated by talk radio and Emails, so it can work if the people will get up off their couches to protect their freedom. So who in the media or even congress called for the same proactive peaceful efforts that achieved MKLs victory. People were not so bashful in the early 1960s. Heck, on Saturday when constituents were locked out of their Representative`s office and the staff threatened to call the police, the people left the public area complaining instead of calling for support and doing a legal silent standing protest in the hallways. I know for a fact that they could have done that legally until the building closed and even followed their Rep throughout the public areas of the Capitol complex. Our supposed betters hate having their freedom impinged and we could video their arrogance.

I am disappointed that our citizens do not even have the respect of our military and civilian dead and life long disabled who have sacrificed for our liberties to sacrifice even a little to protect that hard earned gift. Shame on us.

[chip]

"You're right, it'll never be rolled back. But the problem with comparing the USA to Canada and the UK, however, is that Canada and the UK have health care systems that relied in many ways upon the American for-profit model which drove R&D and innovation in technology, pharmacology and surgical technique. Also, Canada and the UK (as well as every other country in the world) has always used the US as a sort of safety net."

I totally agree. I'm Canadian. When I say you lost, I mean it as someone who hoped you would win.

But trust me, you have now lost. It will be impossible to roll back. You already have close to 50% of your citizens not paying income tax. In California there is still little will to cut spending despite near bankruptcy. It will be no different elsewhere in the US. Once a client of the state, always a client of the state.

[Elmo]

OK ... so this is the glass half full post :-)

[Elmo]

I see the plan of lord/pharaoh/libturd f*ckface Obama, and Rahm, Axelrod, Pelosi ... as MORE of the same. Not less. I firmly believe they will try to f u r t h e r widen the divide. Pour yet more gasoline upon. They have no intent pulling back from the edge.

They just aren't that smart.

Sure, possibly, in their derangement they yet still could make some more gains [the immigration sawed off scatter gun's pointed at us right now. Though the right could certainly postpone some of their pellet's arrival, by the usual ... shooting of one's own foot. Fair to say, this issue as contentious as any].

But they aren't playing to win. They are only on a search and destroy mission.

As in the United States of America.

There is no rhyme and reason.

They ARE traitors.