Judson Phillips Wants To Be A Tea Party Millionaire?

It seems some Tea Party members are coming forward claiming that Judson Phillips has said he wants to make a million dollars from, not for, the Tea Party movement. Also it seems someone else may be behind paying Sarah Palin's six-figure fee. There sure does suddenly seem to be a lot of millionaires involved with the Tea Party movement. And, yes, unfortunately, I count Sarah Palin as one, whether she's profiting directly, or not. Thank heavens she pointed out how corrupt she thinks CPAC is in dealing with the Nashville announcement. We wouldn't want big money so involved in what's billed as a grassroots movement effort, now would we?

Local Tea Party insiders say that long-time Republican donor Bill Hemrick [he gave $1000 to the NRCC in late 2009 and to the Fred Thompson and Marsha Blackburn campaigns among others], owner of Upper Deck Trading cards, gave Judson Philips at least $50,000 and maybe the whole $125,000 to cover Tea Party Nation’s Sarah Palin speaker’s fee. This act led Tea Party activists to believe the Tennessee Republican Party has been involved in the closed-door organizing.

Meanwhile, all money made by the sold-out event will go straight to Tea Party Nation, Inc. while grassroots activists have donated their time to make the event happen.

Comments

[Huey]

Must you be poor to be part of a "grass roots" movement?

At what point does the level of one's bank account disqualify one from being one of the "people?"

Me? I'm always glad when people of substance support causes I support. Money, as she said, "changes everything."

[Dan Riehl]

I thought you were smarter than that, Huey. Or are you a paid troll trying to sell the idea of playing into the same old hands.

"This act led Tea Party activists to believe the Tennessee Republican Party has been involved in the closed-door organizing."

[JimAK]

Palin said on BOR that she is not being paid for this appearance.

[Dan Riehl]

$115k fee plus 10k for expenses is being paid, no matter what you do with the money, sport. Read the linked item, or you aren't being informed, or informing anyone.

[crosspatch]

JimAK, I saw a similar report, she said there was no fee.

[Terri]

Dan, make up your mind. You lift CPAC up on a pedestal while bashing Tea Party Groups that are for profit. You want Tea Party groups to just carry signs that MSM cherry picks and the left can point their fingers at as a "small fringe group?"

If the money is used to help elect conservative candidates, expand the movement to become viable, what is the big deal?

Sarah is not looking to create a third party, she is looking to help candidates to get the Republicans back on the platform they were founded on.

It seems as if you are trying to create friction instead of unity.

[crosspatch]

I have no problem with a group getting private funds. I don't even have a problem with them soliciting private funds. What I have a problem with is when there is something else attached to those funds. In the CPAC case, supposedly there was some promise of some sort of support in a legal battle with UPS if the money was given. THAT is the part I have a problem with.

Political groups solicit funds all the time. I don't have a problem with that and I don't think anyone else does either. The problem is when special favors are granted and in this case the implied favor was that FedEx could gain the support of some politically well-connected people in exchange for their donation that might work out favorably for them in dealings with the government. THAT is wrong. I don't see the Tea Party group doing anything like this.

When I read a piece that starts out with "Local Tea Party insiders say" without naming any names, it reads to me like little more than gossip or possibly "made up facts" or just plain sour grapes. The Republican establishment has much to be upset about. People are not donating to the established political machines and are donating to various candidates directly. A lot of Republican incumbents are likely to get thrown out in the primaries, too. They have a lot of incentive to run down the Tea Party movement.

[inspectorudy]

Terri, it is becoming obvious that Dan and some of the other con-bloggers are creating a tempest in a tea party. There is nothing here but gossip and poorly aimed speculation. Sarah has done pretty well and it smacks of condescension by these guys that they have to warn her of impending mistakes. Why not talk about who will win the playoff games today instead? You would have a better chance of being right!
PS DAN
I cannot comment on Redstate because of a computer glitch
so if you would be so good as to tell Erik that when he discusses political
races that he needs to use WHO, WHAT, WHY, WHEN, AND WHERE so that we ignorant
classes can know about the races he talks about.

[Dan Riehl]

CPAC isn't a for profit, Terri. Do your homework.

[To Hayek With You]

Wow, Riehl must want to be as irrelevant as the Republican Party is becoming because this post was a whole lot of nothing but sour grapes.

I was bored and thought I would try this blog since I haven't been here in a while but it looks like I won't have to bother coming back. If I want to see baseless attacks on Palin or on the grassroots movement to restore the Constitution and take the Republic back then I would go to KOS, or Sullivan, or just watch the nightly news.

People are going to try to profit from every movement. The difference is that if you shrink government and the areas it controls the opportunity for this type of graft or profiteering (if that is what it is I can't tell from the post) is less.

I hope all of these guys get filthy rich if they are successful in getting the government put back in its box and in purging the Republican party of its big spending ways. They will have earned it and it will be money well spent. Money spent willingly I might add.

[Nat Hound]

It is flat-out comical that you are dumping on one of the most authentic politicians of our time for not being authentic enough. Quit beating around the bush, Dan. What do you want from her? Quite frankly, you are coming off as a grade-A crank with little of substance to contribute...

[Kevin Smith]

crosspatch,

Sounds like you may not be up to speed on this scandal regarding Tea Party Nation. I've been very upfront about who I am in my allegations, and reading my blog post (as well as several other news articles with similar information) would serve you well.

http://superkev.net/2010/01/12/on-the-backs-of-tennessees-middle-class-or-the-story-behind-tea-party-nations-dishonest-beginnings/

There are several other whistleblowers who have gone on record as well as many more who fear retribution from the heavy-handed, dictatorial owner of Tea Party Nation. He has a nasty history of violently ostracizing those who disagree with him and then following it up with threats to sue for all manner of things. I've been the recipient of several of these threats, and I've seen it happen to others as well. Take note of the threatening language—and the abuse of professional status—used in the email published in the article to which Dan links above.

If Phillips is going to turn the profits over to a 527, like he claims, then why isn't it set up yet? A man with a shady past and a record of financial mismanagement offers a vague promise of what he'll do with the money, and I'm honestly surprised at the number of people who just take him at his word. He merely claims that it's all for the movement, calls his detractors liars, and that's apparently enough to alleviate any concern. Bupkis. We tea partiers need to wisen up a bit; sometimes the enemy does come from within. We should each gladly welcome criticism to show that we are who we say we are. It's simply ludicrous to run an operation like Tea Party Nation in such a fraudulent, authoritarian manner all the while proclaiming the virtues of freedom.

If we want this movement to continue in its success, then we must be willing to root out corruption when we see it. That's all that the whistleblowers are doing.

(As an aside, it should be noted that Palin didn't say there was no fee. She said, "I will not financially be gaining anything from this." That's a pretty big distinction that the entire media complex seems to have missed. I suspect this most likely means she'll be accepting a speaking fee and then turning it over to her PAC, and I think there's nothing wrong with that. It should be clear, though, the difference between what she said and what's being reported.)

[astonerii]

Very surprised that we can comment on this one. You had to know that this was going to turn south for you, just like the comment locked one you put out telling people who do not agree with you to do something offensive.

Here is the quote from that locked thread "And that grassroots is who people like Eric Erickson, Mellissa Clouthier and me are. So, the Palin fanatics can take their DC insider crap and shove it right back up where it came from in the first place. I couldn't care less in that regard."

First off, yes you are grassroots, right up until you start being paid for what you are doing, then it becomes AstroTurf. Sarah Palin is not grassroots, but is supporting a grassroots organization. I am grassroots, and always will be, I have no desire to be paid.

I think you miss a large part of the reason people are upset with you. I think many of the people upset with you are missing the reason they are upset with you. I was offended with the first post you made, and I might have even put the anger as how dare you attack Palin, but that never sat right with me, and as the argument has moved forward, it has become ever more obvious why I am upset with you. Because you are an arsonist! You are a grassroots person who is trying to burn down another grassroots movement by using innuendo and unsubstantiated charges of wrongdoing.

I think that the Tea Party movement needs to very much become organized to be effective at bringing change to our government, and one way that can happen is if there are many different Tea Party groups forming, and they may be competing for the same people to join their organized group, and what will happen is that the best of these organizations will be what is left over when all the dust settles.

CPAC has had 30 years to bring these people into its organization, and it has failed to do so, because when it all comes down to the final analysis, CPAC is too big for Tea Party individual. It is a big tent organization that welcomes all and serves none or just a few special interests. Tea Party people have seen how well that big tent works out and want no part of it. I seriously doubt that many people in the Tea Party groups, the real Tea Party individuals who have been more or less non political all their lives and have finally awoken to the need for a sea change in government think that promoting gay marriage is going to accomplish that. I am personally a semi Tea Party person, as I have followed politics all my life, and I vote sometimes, but I have been turned off by the constant big tent politics.

The way to have a good government that works for the people is very simple and does not need any big tent ideas to form, in fact big tent ideas are what causes bad government. Big tent is statement of special interests combining to get all of their policies written into law. Big tent equals big government. The democrat party is what big tent is all about, Blacks, Unions, Welfare Queens, Gays, Lesbians, Transsexuals, Asexuals, Teachers, government employees, environmentalists, anti-capitalists and every other special interest agreeing to scratch each others back when it comes time to make laws of the land. CPAC has become big tent and is not where people who really have awoken to the dangers our government poses to our freedoms are likely to find a valuable ally.

[inspectorudy]

Kevin, lets suppose that this evil man Phillips makes money from this event and along with that Sarah picks up some PAC money and the people in the TP get to meet and discuss stratergy. Sarah's message will eventually get out to the masses for the good of the movement. Then there are some benifits from the coverage of the movement and the MSM comes off looking like the jerks they are. At the end of the day where is the evil? Money? Man we are all in trouble.

[fb]

Gov. Palin never said she was not being paid for her speech----especially since it was arranged by the Washington Speakers Bureau. What she did indicate was that HER POCKET WOULD NOT BE ENRICHED from this speech and that she had intended to use the fee for donations to advance the conversative agenda by donating to conservative candidates who reflect her views.

[chercast]

Thanks, Kevin, for your comments. Interesting information. I hope all turns out well for the Tennessee Tea Parties. Thanks also for your thoughts regarding Gov. Palin's financial gain. I'll be interested to see how things turn out. I'm always interested in any event that has Kari Carender (Seattle Tea Party) speaking at it. CPAC/ACU has their own version of leadership issues to deal with, in my opinion.

[Kevin Smith]

inspectorudy,

Are you seriously arguing that corruption is totally cool as long as some good comes out of it? People's lives are being destroyed by this man, and he has, until now, been able to keep a tight lid on things thanks to his threats. Is this really the kind of person you want as a primary representative for this movement? Honestly, this kind of argument in favor of corruption sounds like the support a political lackey gives his party when confronted with clear wrongdoing. This man's behavior is NOT an indictment on the tea party movement. He is taking advantage of our grassroots proclivities! If we want to strengthen the movement, then we must be willing to police ourselves.

By the way, the people coming to provide training and strategy are the Leadership Institute. You could go to their classes directly, outside of this convention, for a mere $60.

[Huey]

Dan: Those were serious questions.

Apparently, you think it's a bad thing that some people with money have joined the tea party movement: "There sure does suddenly seem to be a lot of millionaires involved with the Tea Party movement." You seem to think that it is a bad thing that Palin has joined the ranks of those with a few nickles to rub together: "[U]nfortunately, I count Sarah Palin as one..."

I'm just saying that I find there to be nothing wrong with people with money in general and specifically find it to be a good thing, in general, for people with money to be involved in the tea party movement. They, fortunately, are just as affected by what Obamanation is doing as are the rest of us poor slobs trying to make a living.

The notion that the "grassroots movement" will succeed as ad hoc gatherings of small groups throughout the nation is misplaced. Their aims are opposed to the aims of several huge national groups which are organized and insanely rich. In order for the tea party movement to succeed, they must become nationalized, organized, and funded -- just as CPAC is.

There is nothing inherently WRONG with "top down" management of any movement. It BECOMES "wrong" when that "top down management" is no longer RESPONSIVE to its members. So long as those national leaders are chosen by the membership and are responsive to the membership, they can do good work on behalf of that membership.

Some of that membership will be poor; some will be rich. Some will blog incessantly; others will exhibit their membership solely by voting. But, each citizen who subscribes to the AIMS of the "tea party movement" is PART of the "tea party movement" whether they are "millionaires" or they are working part-time at McDonalds.

[Pops in Vienna]

Oh dear....

Come the 2012 campaign Charlie Gibson will be looking over the top of his glasses asking Sarah Palin how she became a multi-millionaire in three short years. She'll explain how a lot of the money went into her PAC. Gibson will smirk and move on to the next question about her connections with Judson Phillips who also made millions off of the tea party movement. Viewers will be left with the impression that something dirty has been going on behind the tea party curtains.

Peggy Noonan will write an article that the Republicans have blown it again by nominating a candidate like Palin. Peggy will note that the Palins are now richer than the Clintons and suggest that a lot of unsavory folks, closely connected with the Palins got rich by skillful organization and management of tea party events.

Charles Krauthammer will write an article that the Tea Party movement is no longer moving because the grassroots are suspicious that their donations are being misused. He'll cite cases where the Palins flew on private jets to several expensive resort locales for "meetings" with folks making huge profits from the tea parties with PAC money.

The Justice Department will initiate an investigation into several of the "leaders" of the tea party movement during the campaign. It will go no where but will be on TV every night.

Instapundit and other conservative bloggers will be reporting serious infighting among various conservative groups.

Sarah Palin will be elected in a landslide and will even win California. Her subsequent cabinet picks ignite further controversy. The NY Times reports that Palin is now richer than the Clintons, Al Gore, John Edwards, Nancy Pelosi and John Kerry combined.

I don't know if that's a happy ending or not - but expect a lot more pain. This is just getting started.

[the405]

Hello Everyone,

First off let me say a BIG thank you to Kevin Smith for his through blogpost on NTPC and its founder Judson Phillips. What Phillips is doing, as outlined by smith's article, is what MANY shady show-runners do when they want to take the money and run. Kevin has done alot of good with his blog spot on the NTPC. My hat is off to you!

After reading MC article that Dan linked to we now know:

- Sarah Plain IS being paid 125,000K to do the speech at NTPC.
- Sarah Plain IS being paid a fee will have full control over the money (if it goes to her PAC).
- Big money is funding her speech.
- The only reason she is doing a first year show run by people who have no experience is that NTPC had a large donor write the check for 125,000K. (Knowing how these type of bookings work there was most likely a BIG deposit laid down to get Palin to commit)
- Palin was very weaselly on the The Factor when she said she does "not benefit financially" from the speech.
- Judson Phillips has no experience running a convention of ANY size.
- Palin does put "Pocketbook over Policy" if its her pocketbook getting the cash.

This is getting worse and worse for NTPC and Palin as we closer and this is shaping up to be a major disaster.

[crosspatch]

Where in Kevin's post does it show any wrongdoing? It shows that Kevin doesn't like how it was run but that is about it. It might have been registered as a "for-profit" to get around restrictions on political activities by non-profits. As a for-profit the organization would have to pay tax. Apparently Kevin had unvoiced expectations that weren't met. The blog posting reads like sour grapes to me.

[Mr. Sauce]

Kevin Smith-

http://www.tbpr.org/TheBoard/

Tennessee has a department to control abuses by lawyers, and I advise you to make full use of it. Make a written complaint, be brief, concise, state where he abused his lawyer's privileges in his dealings with you. Do not expect another practicing attorney to assist you, they will be quite hostile to this type of initiative. Get some help on the QT, on your own. Having a complaint made against him will make him far more cautious towards you.

This works, I've used this tactic in my state.

[katiejane]

Dan, perhaps all you people who are in such a huff about Gov Palin speaking at the Tea Party Convention instead of CPAC, getting paid a speaking fee, and whatever sins you seem to think her guilty of, should just accept that she isn't going to be the useful tool you thought would advance your agenda and move on to a candidate you find more acceptable.

At this point your "support" seems to come with more criticism than anything else. She has enough detractors on the keft - she doesn't need more attackers on the right.

[astonerii]

Select quotes from Keven Smith that seem relevent.

"I had no idea what I was getting myself into."

"Judson was commanding the battleship, and each of us was dutifully completing his or her tasks. This certainly was an efficient way to operate, as it cut out arduous steering committee meetings where we all debated the future of our particular group and how to accomplish goals."

"I did some research and found some web software with which I could give each county its own group page, allow each county’s group to have its own administrator, and let any web visitor type in a Tennessee zip code, county name, or major city name to arrive at the correct county group’s page. It was a thing of beauty. It was also a lot of effort, but I thought, “For Liberty.”"

"Why not let users sign up and RSVP to attend their county’s rally? Why not let them connect with each other? Hey, wouldn’t it be great if any member could post pictures from their rally on the site?"

"In an email on the 8th of April, Judson complained that practicing law was keeping him from doing other things he wanted to do, and he wanted this new Tea Party Nation to generate him enough income so that he wouldn’t have to practice law anymore. (At the time, I suppose it seemed innocent enough; even employees and leaders in a non-profit need to make a living, and anyway, the only revenue mentioned for Tea Party Nation so far was in the context of advertising.) Judson wanted to take this website to the national level, and he even had a logo that a kind volunteer donated to him. He sent it right over, and I got to work. I was so excited about the possibility of exposure on a national level for our tea party group (and for a site I’d created!) that I dove right in without really thinking it through. Was this what the rest of the leadership in Tennessee Tea Party wanted? At this point in my business life, I was no longer just pushing back client work, I was outright rejecting new projects in favor of advancing the movement. But again, what’s a great movement without some sacrifice? “For Liberty“, I thought."

"With an overwhelming amount of tiny requests, along with the volunteer efforts of a few other gracious people, he’d managed to have me create the conservative version of Facebook that he dreamed about. Then I remembered: Judson wanted income from Tea Party Nation to replace his income from the law practice. Everything clicked, and I was steamed."

"I slapped a generous 25% discount off our normal rate. While I was furious that Judson used my goodwill and volunteerism to accomplish his own dreams, I still assumed this was a non-profit project. If that weren’t enough, I even applied the most generous of terms in the industry. Verbatim, the invoice terms were: “Due whenever TPN can get the funds together.”"

"This was not what our group planned, and in talking with other members of the leadership, this is not what we wanted to happen. Sure enough, the filing was effective for the for-profit Tea Party Nation Corporation on April 21, 2009, the day after Judson’s interview with Ralph Bristol, and Judson filed the papers such that he was the sole owner of Tea Party Nation."

"Those of us who had volunteered many hours of our time? Not a one appreciated Judson building his dream on our volunteer labor, especially since the critical opinion voiced by a few of us was rewarded with public slander and libel. Every single one of the members from the tea party planning group broke away from Judson following my resignation letter. We would later re-group as the revived Tennessee Tea Party."

Now for my take on this.

First, for being awakened to the mission creep in America, he was a very gullible person when faced with the same situation in real life.

He admits that Hudson was capable of directing all the 95 county areas and at that time no one seemed to have any problem with that.

He has all the skills to make a great Tea Party web page and thus should be able to replicate it with files on his personal computer.

He saw the direction that Hudson wanted to go, and as TPN web page started resembling that very end goal, he did not put the dots together.

Even with all this, he was willing to stay with Hudson and signing a contract.

He and every other person in the group did not want to go in the direction of Tea Party Nation, but when Hudson went to incorporate it, no one stepped forward to prevent the hijacking.

Then the original group sans Hudson reformed the original Tennessee Tea Party.

If that is how it really played out, it seems that these people sat back and watched America mission creep until they saw their last bit of freedom being torn away and finally woke up and decided to fight, and in that fight went through the exact same situation with their own movement. They watched how progressive liberal policies worked, appalled at that they did a repeat at a more local level. Tells me much more about Kevin than it tells me about Hudson. Hudson may still have the best of intentions for the Tea Party Nation, and I personally do not see any corruption at all in what happened.

There are many web sites in the world today that were started in not for profit endeavors that when the opportunity presented itself, became for profit. Many times the not for profit start was specifically intended to grow the base so that they would have the ability to coerce profit from the situation.

Anyways. That was a good read Kevin, and has opened my eyes to what the reality of the TPN really is. I will admit that I did not have any clue that it was easily hijacked by a possibly shady character and abandoned by Kevin and the many people who started Tennessee Tea Party. If it is any consolation to you, I think Tennessee Tea Party is much more grassroots now, and that I no longer view Tea Party Nation in a non biased light.

[O!]

CPAC is still the group run by extortionist Keene and being sponsored by the Birchers, right?

And Riehl/Erickson/Clouthier are still promoting the "Tea Party Leadership Event" being run by the multi-millionaire direct marketing guy (or rather, being run by his for-profit personal consulting firm, the "Viguerie Marketing Institute") who created the www.ultimateronpaul.com site to show his devotion to that nutcase, right?

It is both saddening and amusing to see how OUTRAGED! your little trio pretends to be about Palin and the NTPC, but how you don't seem bothered at all by corruption, millionaires, conventions run by for-profit corporations, and political fringe groups as long as it's your pockets that are being lined.

CPAC + Birchers + Ronulans = Epic Fail.

[mickey]

Marsha Blackburn Voted FOR:
Omnibus Appropriations, Special Education, Global AIDS Initiative, Job Training, Unemployment Benefits, Labor-HHS-Education Appropriations, Agriculture Appropriations, U.S.-Singapore Trade, U.S.-Chile Trade, Supplemental Spending for Iraq & Afghanistan, Prescription Drug Benefit, Child Nutrition Programs, Surface Transportation, Job Training and Worker Services, Agriculture Appropriations, Foreign Aid, Vocational/Technical Training, Supplemental Appropriations, UN “Reforms.” Patriot Act Reauthorization, CAFTA, Katrina Hurricane-relief Appropriations, Head Start Funding, Line-item Rescission, Oman Trade Agreement, Military Tribunals, Electronic Surveillance, Head Start Funding, COPS Funding, Funding the REAL ID Act (National ID), Foreign Intelligence Surveillance, Thought Crimes “Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act, Peru Free Trade Agreement, Economic Stimulus, Farm Bill (Veto Override), Warrantless Searches, Employee Verification Program, Body Imaging Screening.

Marsha Blackburn Voted AGAINST:
Ban on UN Contributions, eliminate Millennium Challenge Account, WTO Withdrawal, UN Dues Decrease, Defunding the NAIS, Iran Military Operations defunding Iraq Troop Withdrawal, congress authorization of Iran Military Operations.

Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.
See her unconstitutional votes at :
http://tinyurl.com/qhayna
Mickey

[bishop]

So lets see, we are relying on MSNBC reporters, the same who received Joe the Plumber's information, hell let's go straight to the Daily Kos, No one apparently made a comment about Tea Party Nation till she decided to accept, they put in a bid to the WSB. So now the idea that Diane Sawyer is going to make a big deal because of one speech with the funds going to PACs to selected candidates. Let's give
the IRS a reason to audit everyone associated with the tea party movement, much like those GOP dealerships that were conveniently closed, despite being more successful. So she is dinged if she does't show up to an event, and apparently if she does. It's a good thing there are no other important
issues at stake, otherwise I'd be worried

[the405]

O!,

I see you finally found your talking points. Well lets face some facts.

- Sarah Palin IS taking a 125K fee to speak at NTPC.
- There is big money behind this event and its how Palin's large speaking fee was paid.
- Sarah Plain is only going down there for the 125K fee.
- Phillips has major personal financial problems in the recent past.
- Numerous NTPC steering committee members left when Phillips announced the $560 fees.
- NTPC is purposely trying to make this event, small, expensive and exclusive. (that is what insiders with something to hide do)
- More and more people are speaking out about NTPC's corruption, bullying tactics and dishonest operations.
- The National Conservative Symposium, sponsored by another Tea Party group, where Palin was to be paid to speak and hss been canceled, is being racked by scandal as well.

http://www.woai.com/news/local/story/Tea-Party-finger-pointing-in-wake-of-failed/8J52wBdY8UeJg1fKIbQ5FQ.cspx

More proof these organizations have VERY little oversight.

- NTPC has lost at least TWO sponsors and may lose more.
- NTPC has invited a birther to give the Friday keynote speech. The MSM is going to have a field day linking Palin to the birthers.
- NTPC is being run by people with no convention experience, no transparency and no oversight. (that is how insiders function)

We are less than three weeks away.

What else could happen?

[O!]

My goodness, Bircher405 sure is doubling down on his lies and smears!

I guess voters will just have to decide whether they want to align themselves with competent, conservative spokespeople like Sarah Palin, or the Bircher/Ronulan fringe nutjobs and extortionists that comprise the modern-day CPAC.

I'm pretty sure I know who they'll choose. And based on his desperation, I think the405 knows too.

(Hint: Birchers = Ronulans = CPAC = Epic Fail.)

[Ama]

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