This all seems plain enough to me. I'm not sure why people choose to couch it in manners or protocol. If you're a yellow, black, brown, red, or some other leader, or king, of color, Obama is more than happy to all but get down on his knees for you to show his respect. But old Europe, originally comprised of mostly white people, is part of the problem with the world in Obama's view.
If people want to give him a pass on it out of fear, or cowardice, so be it. But the facts derived from his behavior seem pretty clear - time and time, again. We're now finding out first hand why Obama was more than happy to spend all those years in Reverend Wright's church. He is every bit the racist Wright is and his decisions and behaviors support that conclusion. You shouldn't need a rap artist to point it out, not sure we have one of those who could and would do it, anyway.
Finally some Europeans are angry with Obama—the very ones who are awarding him his Nobel. Katarina Andersson on the president's decision to decline lunch with King Harald and skip his own Nobel exhibit.
A day before President Obama receives his Nobel Peace Prize in Oslo, the president’s treatment of his Norwegian hosts has become hot news across Scandinavia.
News outlets across the region are calling Obama arrogant for slashing some of the prize winners’ traditional duties from his schedule. “Everybody wants to visit the Peace Center except Obama,” sniped the Norwegian daily Aftenposten, amid reports the president would snub his own exhibition at the Nobel Peace Center. “A bit arrogant—a bit bad,” proclaimed another Aftenposten headline.


I think that the Obama family has a palpable disdain for white people, especially Michelle. But that said, this whole thing is stupid.
Obama knows that the peace prize is an embarrassment, he doesn’t deserve it anymore than he deserves to be president, which is to say not at all. He should have simply declined the prize, but it flattered his ego, albeit prematurely.
Why would Obama want to go? Imagine getting this high award that's supposed to be a big deal, and when you get there you have to look at your exhibition...and it's empty. What on Earth could be in there? How has he promoted peace? At all? In any way?
Shame on Norway for giving it to him.
Posted by: xerocky | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 06:32 AM
Doesn't like white people? Duh, ya think? He doesn't like white Americans most of all, remember, we're just "clingers".
Father was a moooslim and a communist (with the govt. of Kenya)
Step-father was a moooslim.
Teen-aged mentor was a black communist.
Preacher was (is) a racist, "black nationalist" Marxist.
Friend is a terrorist self admitted communist.
Gee, do I detect a patern here?
Posted by: bruce | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 06:49 AM
Bruce: We're not just "clingers", we're bitter about it.
Posted by: jana | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 07:00 AM
These same Europeans who made Bush Bashing an"art form" now find President 44 a boor.That old adage-be careful for what you wish for-is awake-up call for placing gloss over substance based on political correctness.
Posted by: mike191 | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 07:12 AM
Do you remember the flak Glenn Beck took for saying effectively the same thing?
Posted by: Cheesecake | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 07:18 AM
I'm a homeschooler and my 5th and 6th graders are studying the Greco-Persian Wars. Though it's presented on their level, they found it all quite boring and thought it to be pointless information. I recalled President Obama's comment that Islam is to be credited with "enlightening" the West. The Greek victory over the Persians laid the groundwork for the Church to be able to thrive in the West. Had the Persians won, the Church would have most certainly been impeded. To show my kids how important this information on the Greco-Persian Wars is, I asked them, "Who were the 'good guys' in this?" They both answered, "The Greeks." I complimented them because nowhere in our history book did it say that the Greeks were "the good guys". There have been so many seeds planted in their brains informing them rightly that they were able to say the Greeks were "the good guys" even quite unaware of anything to do with race. I told them that Obama would probably have answered that the Persians were "the good guys". The reason is that, unlike my children, who have grown up in a Christian culture, Obama grew up in Indonesia in a Muslim culture. This is why he says things like that "Islam should be credited with enlightening the West". His worldview, I explained, is completely different from theirs, and it has much to do with his upbringing......the seeds planted in his mind when he was their age. I told them that this is why it's important to study and know your history. History helps to establish your worldview and molds you into the person you will be as an adult. The kids are now very anxious to learn history after this little speech of mine.
People make fun of those who are out there shouting "He's a Muslim" but there is something to their concerns, even if Obama doesn't practice Islam. Being reared in the Muslim culture has shaped the President's worldview into something most of us are quite unfamiliar with. He is not so much a racist as he is anti-Western -- not exactly a good characteristic to have in a President of the United States.
Before people get too critical, if you have kids in public school you may want to be examining their textbooks and assignments to see what they are being taught. One of the things that prompted me to pull my kids out -- one of the last straws for me -- was seeing a question on a social studies paper that asked "What impact did European settlement have on the Native American people?" My daughter had provided the teacher's "correct answer" which was -- quote -- "The Europeans took their lands and killed them with guns and disease."
Obama is not as "foreign" as some may think him to be. This sort of thing is fairly common, being taught to children all across America. I just wonder how much of it parents are willing to endure before they rise up in large numbers against it.
Posted by: Lisa Graas | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 07:34 AM
Lisa, excellent post.
Obama may not be a practicing Muslim, but certainly he's a cultural Muslim.
" "Islam should be credited with enlightening the West". " PLEASE!
I simply cannot fathom how the people in the United States would vote for a man who would say such a thing.
Posted by: xerocky | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 08:17 AM
Dear xerocky - Obama does not know that the Peace Prize is an embarrassment. He is a classic narcissist, moreso than even Bill Clinton. If he had any sense of embarrassment, he wouldn't have accepted it in the first place, or at the least not go to Norway to receive it. This is a man whose ego has no bounds, especially after being elected to the presidency with a non-existent resume.
The main reason he's not meeting with the King of Norway is that America has nothing to apologize to Norway about, therefore no reason to prostrate himself.
Posted by: Ted | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 08:23 AM
"The main reason he's not meeting with the King of Norway is that America has nothing to apologize to Norway about..."
Nothing to apologize to Norway about, Ted? Why what about all the poison gas, i.e., carbon dioxide, with which we are destroying the world, including Norway? Oops, I just exhaled and pumped more out of the poison factory that is my lungs. Sorry, everyone.
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 08:39 AM
Dan,
I think the FACT that he bowed to the saudi's and to the Japenese but did not to the Queen of england should have been enough warning on this matter. they are all royality after all. either Obama hates white people or women or both. there is no other reason to bow to one and not the other of your aim is to show "respect" for other cultures like the Obama admin goves for the reason for his actions.
Posted by: unseen | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 08:54 AM
There need to be more people who directly address such issues.
While we may only infer motive behind Obama's actions, I do agree that a pattern of behavior can be discerned, and it's a pattern which shows our President to be one who is, at least, distrustful, of whites, of Christians, and of Europeans in general.
Posted by: Huey | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:03 AM
Lisa, my thoughts exactly. My two boys attended and graduated from public school, and I had to spend every night around the dinner table correcting the drivel they were being taught as history. It was a successful enterprise, but my daughter was more pliant to the propaganda being taught her, so I was forced to move her to a private, Christian school which has turned out to be the best thing I've ever done for her in my life. A great curriculum, a great school, and a large number of great friends have been the result of that endeavor.
Posted by: templar knight | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:06 AM
Templar, you're a good parent. My oldest is in high school and he goes to the public high school. He is perfectly fine there because he's very good at distinguishing between social engineering and real education. I had to prepare him for that, so that he is able to do that........but he can do it, so he's there and doing well. My three youngest are far more pliable. They need to get this at home and then I can, hopefully, send them off to the public high school fully prepared as my son was.
Posted by: Lisa Graas | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:15 AM
"What impact did European settlement have on the Native American people?" My daughter had provided the teacher's "correct answer" which was -- quote -- "The Europeans took their lands and killed them with guns and disease."
Re the above: How would you describe the effect of Europeans on Native Americans?
It seems to me this is the correct way to describe the settlement of the continent by Europeans.
I am curious to know how you see it.
Posted by: D Norman | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:24 AM
Me too, Templar.
Fred, I think we all should be required to hold our breath collectively at 6 PM EST every day. Our homes should be equipped with CO2 detectors and if too much is detected we should be required to switch to shallow breathing until the level goes down.
Posted by: Lala | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:24 AM
Poor POTUS, he was born with a Marxist/Raaaaacist spoon in his mouth.
Posted by: carol | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:25 AM
How can he not? His white mother abandoned him and forced him to be raised by his rich white grandparents in Hawaii!
Oh the agony!
Posted by: JustOneMan | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:27 AM
xerocky, I can't fathom how they can send their kids off to schools that teach this stuff. If they'll do that, how much more easy is it for them to vote for a man who believes it?
Posted by: Lisa Graas | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:30 AM
Re the above: How would you describe the effect of Europeans on Native Americans?
It seems to me this is the correct way to describe the settlement of the continent by Europeans.
I am curious to know how you see it.
Posted by: D Norman | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:24 AM
the europeans' settlement of the continent of North america enabled the birth of the greatest nation on the earth and saved all humankind form slavery, facism and communism. If the white man would not have fled Europe and settled this land and if they would have assimlated into native culture instead of forming their own, Freedom and liberty as we know it would be wiped from the face of the earth.
Posted by: unseen | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:37 AM
D.Norman, 'How would you describe the effect of Europeans on Native Americans?'. Moot question easy to load with PC BS by reductionist thinking. A better approach might be 'How do you describe the effect of the Homo Sapiens' genocide of the CroMagnan? Ghengis Khans' or Alexander the Greats' conquest of the known world or any other movement of human cultures that have displaced the previous occupants of certain localities. After all, it appears to be historic conclusion that the current globe is populated by a small group of people that all came from Africa or is that debunked by PC? The point seems to be selective teaching of fact.
Posted by: WestWright | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:39 AM
Unseen: that's bullshit
Westwright: thank you. In the long view, of course, every civilization has had its ascendancy and decline. But brutality used to displace another culture is something we can still look at. Force hasn't been the only agent of change.
Posted by: D Norman | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:51 AM
One of our cousins is studying to be a teacher and I was truly shocked to see in her materials whole chapters on "white privilege" and how to recognize it and how to teach the children to recognize it and deal with it...we're talking about materials for elementary school children. WTF?
There is a big difference between teaching history..which includes truthful information about slavery and discrimination of multiple ethnic groups by multiple ethnic groups and some kind of psychobabble about white privilege with "exercises" for the children to do in order to uncover it.
One of the problems we have today is that everything is either/or...it can be true that America is a great country founded on a set of awe inspiring principles and also be true that what amounts to slow genocide was committed against the native peoples, expecting any human/country/culture to ALWAYS be on the side of right 100% of the time is crazy.
The question that I grapple with in terms of education is how and when do you introduce the negative sides of your own history. If you start telling 8 year olds about white privilege and that the founders of the country were evil men then they will never have any allegiance to the country or culture, there has to be a base of information [the positives] and understanding of the history before you can begin to ask children to make what amounts to value judgements, especially applying today's values to 100 or 200 years ago.
Posted by: Anon | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:51 AM
It is a fact that European settlers did bring diseases and did in fact fight many wars in which the Native American tribes lost with great loss of life.
The left wing propoganda and brainwashing come in when the left teaches that that was the only thing the white people did. It also comes in with the fact that in our modern text books the Native Americans are shown as having no negative qualites. The books basically show them living in peaceful harmony with nature.
The negative aspects of history should not be whitewashed for anyone, niether should a cultures greatest achievements, of which the Incas, Mayas, and Aztecs had many.
Posted by: southdakotaboy | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:51 AM
I find it hilarious that the sycophant Norwegians are whining about getting kicked in the teeth by the First Narcissist. The irony of the troop surge right before the Nobel ceremony was too much for even Barry to swallow. Obama winning the peace prize was such a joke, obviously awarded for the purpose of influencing our foreign policy. The Norwegians would rather the U.S. act the poor victim and ask those Al Queda meanies to please not to do it again, lest they be unpopular in Europe. They would wait until some terrorists incinerate one of our cities before they approved of us taking military action. Then it would be fashionable in Europe.
Posted by: david r | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:52 AM
Obama arrogant? Bwahahahaha ....
No you putrid, malignant, gangrenous pustules. Arrogant is giving the 'Nobel Peace Prize'. To a proud, smug, self righteous SOLDIER of ALLAH.
Git ovah yahselves squareheads. We already did.
Posted by: Elmo | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:00 AM
Good points, WestWright. D Norman, you might as well ask what effect Yankee soldiers had on the Confederacy. They weren't invited, were they? What you need to understand is that we can't go back into history and judge it by today's standards, or there would be no history.
The facts are that the settlement of the Americas led to the world we have today, which is not perfect by any means, but is much better than it could be. Look at Africa, most of Asia, etc. Life in many areas of the World are hardly better than the Dark Ages.
Posted by: templar knight | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM
He didn't meet with them because he can't handle himself around "different people". Different in the way of he doesn't know what he is doing period. You all make him sound like he's so worldly, he's not! By now he knows it and is embarrassed and insecure. That's my thought on this, plus he wants to get home and pass all this crap for the unions. Glenn Beck is nailing him on all his agendas and I'm sure he has more, hurry up and pass this before the end of the year, why is what we have to find out now.
Posted by: jann | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM
I'm glad the Norwegians are getting a taste of the real Obama and not the hopey changey cardboard cut out, though I think the prize was awarded more as a slap to Bush than anything else.
Having just visited The Netherlands and France, I feel that the demise of Europe may have been overstated. Their immigration problems are much less severe than our own and while they do love their socialist safety net, they seem to get more for their high taxes than we do...public transportation was clean, plentiful and on time, service workers spoke the native language, constructions crews were able to perform without police babysitters and huge no go zones...people rode bikes without helmets and were able to control their dogs without leashes. It was a nice breath of fresh air actually.
Posted by: Anon | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM
Lisa...sounds like you are less a home 'schooler', and more a home propagadist - if the above isn't atypical of your teaching style. do you also find opportunities when teaching science (sorry - bad example), or reading, or math to also direct your students to a conclusion about Obama's 'mindset'?
Just ridiculous...and troubling.
"My three youngest are far more pliable. They need to get this at home..." Indeed.
Almost as ridiculous as Dan concluding that Obama doesn't like white people based on his Oslo schedule.
Wow.
Posted by: Mike2Cents | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:09 AM
"Nothing to apologize to Norway about, Ted? Why what about all the poison gas, i.e., carbon dioxide, with which we are destroying the world, including Norway?"
The Norwegian economy (and the highly socialized Norwegian state) are propped up by the revenues gained from marketing their vast oil reserves.
In this instance such an 'apology' from ObaMao would doubtless be taken as a slap in the face by the Norgies.
Good thing ObaMao didn't think of it himself...
Posted by: ThomasD | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:16 AM
"Almost as ridiculous as Dan concluding that Obama doesn't like white people based on his Oslo schedule.
Wow."
No. It wasn't just the Oslo schedule. It's a pattern that he's displayed for a while now. Bowing to the Saudi King, dissing Norway et al. It's not ridiculous at all, it's a clear and for the most part obvious pattern.
I'm not sure if Obama has had any ideas about how Math is taught. But I can tell you this, Detroit has had it's school system under liberal rule for over 50 years and look at the wonderful results!
Posted by: xerocky | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:24 AM
Obama ... S O L D I E R of A L L A H
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=118495
JERUSALEM – Members of the Obama administration recently assured the Palestinian Authority that most Jewish communities in the strategic West Bank will be evacuated, a top PA official told WND yesterday.
The official also said Obama will soon offer the Palestinians a public pledge that a Palestinian state will encompass most of the West Bank and eastern Jerusalem ...
Posted by: Elmo | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:35 AM
I REALLY think it is counter productive to call Obama a muslim, there are plenty of realistic, true, easily provable charges that can be made against him without resorting to saying he's a closet muslim.
His dissing of the Norwegians is less about their being white and more about Obama just being arrogant and not wanting to do what he doesn't want to do, he's acted this way since he took office, ditching events that have been attended by US presidents for decades...its also a function of his total incompetance that he does not know what is expected of the president.
Posted by: Anon | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:39 AM
Lisa: Thanks for your post, and for your independence and dedication. I have nothing but admiration for you and other home schoolers.
Posted by: rrpjr | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:41 AM
Barack and Michelle have always struck me as the contemporary Black Nouveau Riche George and Weezy from "Good Times".
The premise of the whole show is now on display in the Obama White House: Two socially mobile African Americans, who ironically have a black house maid, learn to deal with life in "White America".
Strange how at the time, it was supposedly funny that George couldn't stomach the inter-racial couple next door. Why? Archie Bunker was ridiculed as racist for basically doing the same thing.
So today, we have blacks who are openly racist, while demanding there be no racism.
Posted by: RogerCfromSD | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:48 AM
Posted by: bruce | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 06:49 AM
His stepfather was also a member of the Communist Party.
Posted by: SteveP | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM
This is pretty simple.
He went over their to pick-up the CHECK for $1,500,000 because they wouldn't mail it to him and of course the AWARD TROPHY and that's all he cares about.
Posted by: Scott | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:50 AM
@WestWright, D Norman and unseen - try this on for size:
A nation that largely - as in more often than not - collectively obeys the tenets of the Word of God and submits itself to the teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ will generally receive the blessings that the Lord God has to give (see Deuteronomy 27, the blessings of Mt. Gerizim)
Now as for the Native Americans and Mexicans that were displaced in the various Indian Wars throughout 19th century, these nations were largely idolatrous, and God saw fit to allow them to be overthrown. These were not the "noble savages" that Hollywood, but were every bit as vicious and brutal as unsaved (ungodly) white men could be, routinely conducting tribal warfare amongst themselves and engaging in human sacrifices and homosexuality (pederasty having not been uncommon) ... the demise of the wicked and desperately (mentally) ill Cahokia culture of the Mississippi being but one particular example.
They were displaced by the will of God, just as God saw fit to displace the ancient Canaanite cultures which, after some 430 years of forebearance (after having confirmed His promise of the Land to Abraham and his offspring) had lapsed into the same gross sins that Sodom and Gomorrah were rife with before God destroyed them with fire from Heaven: He instructed the Israelites to destroy the Canaanite cities, in many cases slaying everything - man, woman, child, and beast - for it was tainted with their vile sins.
And for a time, the United States were, for the most part, a beacon of hope and freedom to the rest of the world, standing firm against Man's foolish and wicked ideas (communism, fascism, and slavery, to name but a few).
Yet, like all great nations that have become too proud, we too, are fallen, and perhaps after the manner of the Church at Ephesus, our candlestick is about to be snuffed and removed from its place before the Lord of Hosts: though there are still many Americans who hate evildoers and seek what is right, too many of us are compromised by the easy lives of luxury most of us have (Revelation 2:1-7)
Whether you care to accept that God's justice is occasionally executed upon the nations of the earth for their national sins or not, it happens: Babylon was replaced by Medo-Persia; the Persian Empire fell before Alexander the Macedonian; the Greeks were surpassed by the Romans, and the Romans were largely undone by the Goths in the West, and the Muslims in the East a millennia later.
In like manner, the Spanish Empire was replaced by God-fearing Tudors of England; and some centuries after England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland formed the United Kingdom of Great Britain, it was surpassed by the United States, which has only managed to hold its place as the world's superior empire for a little more than mere half-century.
The United States are facing God's wrath now, along with so many other nations that have drunk from her cup of harlotry with the Devil: if we (collectively) will not repent of our idolatry, witchcraft (rebellion against God's Word) and wickedness, then so also shall our land be made desolate, and given to another nation.
Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:53 AM
It's pretty clear, to those capable of accepting clarity, what can really be read into his (and/or his advisers) schedule choices. How about this line from his speech...something he actually said (as opposed to all the hidden meanings Dan and co. are constantly grasping for):
“Compared to some of the giants of history who have received this prize -- Schweitzer and King; Marshall and Mandela -- my accomplishments are slight,” he said. “I cannot argue with those who find these men and women -- some known, some obscure to all but those they help -- to be far more deserving of this honor than I.”
He didn't seek or ask for this award. He gets that it isn't well deserved. So he's has in accordance with that approach chosen a lower profile in the acceptance of the award than perhaps the Dali Lama would have.
Should he have declined it? I could see a rational case being made for that - but for a greater purpose than what is argued here.
What is known is that no matter what he had done on this trip - even the exact opposite of what is being criticized here - Dan would have found fault with it.
The whining here is all just another party favor for the hate-fest.
Posted by: Mike2Cents | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:56 AM
This book is a revealing read on the practices of Native American Indians in pre-Columbian and pre-Anglo settlement times -
Cannibalism, Headhunting and Human Sacrifice in North America by George F. Feldman
http://www.amazon.com/Cannibalism-Headhunting-Human-Sacrifice-America/dp/0911469338
Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 10:59 AM
"The whining here is all just another party favor for the hate-fest." - Mike2Cents
If those were your two cents' worth of opinion, I'd expect a refund.
Posted by: RogerCfromSD | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:02 AM
Of course it isn't Obama's fault that the committee awarded him a prize for being himself and not for anything he's done, it is only one more example of modern day idol worship/celebrity culture and fame and fortune without accomplishment.
I'm not sure he should have declined it, but if he accepts it, then why snub the Norwegians. Either he is so arrogant he does what he wants or so incompetant he doesn't know what he's supposed to be doing and no one around him does either.
America is indeed going down, but I would disagree this is god's vengeance and instead say that it is par for the course when empires stray from their founding principles and traditions, become fat, lazy and lose focus.
Posted by: Anon | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:13 AM
Fjordman debunks some of the same nonsense the Obama Party would have us believe on why America and Europe are so much more worse off than the non-white world:
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/3479
Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Roger -
The play-on-words/puns angle to the 2cents thing has pretty much all been covered here.
It often reminds me of this great Steve Martin scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIz_AfWW4s)?
But I understand, you disagree with what I said.
I also get a lot of that.
Posted by: Mike2Cents | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:14 AM
Anyone telling me -or anybody else- that we oppose shameless race-hustler Obama and his outrageous agenda "because he's black" can go to hell... don't you dare try to tell me what I think.
In reality it's the ones who handed the keys to this embittered incompetent largely based on the racial-background of his (irresponsible, communist) parents who've got some explaining to do... not me.
The fact is that this president is creating deep racial schisms in this country that will take a long time to mend- far from being a brave and just post-racial leader, we got a scheming, thuggish rabble-rouser... and the long-term social damage will be immense...
Posted by: Reaganite Republican | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 11:26 AM
Unseen: that's bullshit
Westwright: thank you. In the long view, of course, every civilization has had its ascendancy and decline. But brutality used to displace another culture is something we can still look at. Force hasn't been the only agent of change.
Posted by: D Norman | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 09:51 AM
LOL....you know nothing. force of one kind or another HAS ALWAYS been needed to bring change. The fact is if the Anglo-saxons did not come to N.A and defeat the Native population, the spanish would have or the french or the people of Japan, or the russians or any technology advanced civilization. The fact is that most of Native americans lived in a constant state of war between the different tribes. They were not all the peaceful peoples that american haters want us to believe. Some even practiced human sacrifice among other things. The fact is that their lifestyle and culture was bound by human socitial evolution to become a footnote in history.
The fact is that because it was mostly anglo-saxons that came here with their basis of core beliefs, their drive and their fighting skills they were able to form a complex civilization based on the rule of law. They were able to draft documents giving individual's freedom and limited the power of government. They were able to harness the minds of humans and channel that energy into creating the most powerful nation EVER seen on this earth. The fact is that because of those documents the seeds were planted to abolish slavery in Western civilization. The fact is that because of those documents and Western thought the USA was able to arise as the leader of the world. The USA help stop the imperialists in WW1, they stopped the facists in WW2 and they brought about the internal destruction of the Soviet union and sent communism into hiding for 20 years by winning the Cold War The fact is that because of wiping out old and outdated beliefs such as the Native americans had, the USA was able to increase the living standards of all of humanity.
They were able to harness the atom, the electron, and space. They have made giant leaps in DNA research, in climatology, physics, chemistry, geology, the humanities among others. The death of the Native American culture and system of government was possibly the best thing that ever happened to the human species. Furthermore, if you are happy with sitting in your house, posting on your computer, visiting your plentiful fridge or pantry etc they you should get done on your knees and thank your ancestors for having the grit, guts and ability to do what they needed to do to form this country and bring it to this position in the world.
Posted by: unseen | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM
You know, Lala, D "Call-me-Troll" Norman asked the musical question: "Re the above: How would you describe the effect of Europeans on Native Americans?"
I would describe it as overwhelmingly positive. The gift of literacy, as a tool to explore Western and Eastern learning and culture, alone was worth the price of any sacrifices resulting from pacifying the warlike ways of these aborigines. If only they would let go of the past and seize the many opportunities, beyond cards and dice, now open to them in Western society.
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 12:20 PM
@unseen "The death of the Native American culture and system of government was possibly the best thing that ever happened to the human species."
Are you serious? The systematic destruction of a culture is good thing, even the BEST thing? I'm flabbergasted by your ignorance.
I sincerely hope that this discussion has devolved into some sort of sarcastic joke, and I'm merely not getting it. The titanic arrogance and ignorance of Fred, unseen, and others as well as the mass consumption of propaganda found here is insane. Open your eyes folks, and expand your horizons.
Posted by: Kyle | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 12:41 PM
As Lisa said above and correctly, it's not that Barry is a mooooslim. I don't believe he is, today. But he was one as a child and that indeed has shaped his worldview. Today, he is neither a moooslim nor a Christian - he's a SECULAR LAWYER. Period. Furthermore, he is stronly anti-Western Culture. It is in his DNA. That's a big reason why it kills him to say anything good about the West and our country in particular.
Likewise, his father being a Marxist, his teenaged mentor, his preacher, his friend Ayers - all were/are Marxists. The Prophet Obama thus has sympathy for both Islam and Marxism.
Posted by: bruce | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 12:44 PM
Ah the voice of reason, librul style. Kyle say: "Open your eyes folks, and expand your horizons." That statement is exactly what I would, and in essence did, say to those descended from those who inhabited this continent before Europeans arrived, and who probably conquered some other peoples and took "their" land in order to do so. Glad to see we are on the same message there, Kyle.
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, December 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM