Sullivan and Friedersdorf v. Hinderaker and Me

Our boy Conor will stop at nothing in his quest to elevate himself. Now he's enlisted Andy's help in challenging John Hinderaker of Powerline and myself. The Obama video in question is below. You can judge how rude and bumbling he was for yourself.

A more accurate translation of Andy Sullivan's post: Andy, here's a pail of water you'll like. You owe me one a dozen. Halp!

John Hinderaker of Powerline and Dan Riehl are annoyed that Obama side-stepped a question about the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings while on his trip to Japan. Conor Friedersdorf confronts them:

How dismaying that a loud subset of the right so consistently demands that President Obama privilege their childish desire for self-righteous rhetoric above the actual demands of statesmanship. What good would it possibly do to tell the Japanese, “Yes, I think it was right to incinerate your cities”? It wouldn’t do any good. On the other side of the ledger, it would antagonize an allied nation, put its leadership in a difficult spot that might impede its ability to help the United States.

Statesmanship? Has young Conor viewed the tape? If he's the wisest among his liberal submissive subset of alleged conservatives out here, America is in more trouble than I thought. Obama didn't handle the question. The alleged bright new star of American rhetoric had to pretend it didn't exist, as it wasn't in his script. He was rude, performing a perfect display of the very arrogance he claims to want to stop.

Asked whether the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were justified, President Obama correctly calculated that answering either yes or no would harm American interests, so he gave neither answer, the wisest course available to him, even if it didn’t satisfy the jingoistic vanity of certain critics.

Powerline believes he couldn't answer the question because of what he believes. I said nothing more than that he pretended the question did not exist. There's no statesmanship in that act. Obama could have said, there's no point in debating that history now, we need to move forward. He could have said he regrets those deaths, just as he does the more than 2,000 American deaths at Pearl Harbor and hundreds of thousands of American deaths during all of WW II. But the so-called statesman said nothing, nada, zilch. And this is the fellow they want to anoint as the current champion of American political rhetoric? Why not anoint his speech writers, instead. When put on the spot, Obama doesn't even seem to be able to think, let alone state anything at all.

How pathetic. In fact, though, it's probably just as well Obama didn't say what he really thought. In his speech on nuclear proliferation in Prague, Obama at least suggested that Truman did the wrong thing by bringing World War II to a decisive end:

 

Comments

[Joe]

You would think growing up in Hawaii, he would have a clue on WWII and Pearl Harbor. But perhaps his favorite holiday was "Kill a Haole Day" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kill_Haole_Day

[Joe]

http://www.slate.com/id/2235760/pagenum/all/#p2

Why Christopher Hitchens is our favorite atheist since Ayn Rand.

[Lala]

A lot of blinking, hooded eyes.

[mark l.]

this is the part of the show where the lefties point to obama's 'embrace of our history', as the leader of this country, accepting the good and bad.

using the end justifies the means theory, we are a remarkable nation, unlike any other.

the only problem is that there isn't a single 'sin' of this country that obama is willing to accept. he's black, blacks have never held power, he is not responsible. he relishes in the comeraderie of victimhood, but rejcts our own hx.

ever time he goes out in piblic and does this, "I'm sorry for the sins of the white people of my country", he loses middle america.

[Darth Venomous]

Dan, I first came to know of Connnnnnnnnnnor Farfehgnugensdorf about three months ago whilst perusing Your Fine Blog™ here.

And three months later, after having heard of him precisely nowhere else, I still have this question.

Who the hell is this guy?

[Huey]

The proper answer is: "It was the right thing to do. If you attack us again, I'll drop three. Next question."

[Bob]

Way to go, Dan. Friedersdorf pwns you fools even via a couple of short quotations. If I were you, I'd avoid putting YOUR writing next to FRIEDERSDORF's. The comparison is not flattering to you at all. If it were a televised debate, when the camera cut to you, you'd be picking your nose.

[Al in St. Lou]

Obama is more dangerous than Friedersdorf, but they both behave like boors.

[mark l.]

ah, here is bob.

a curiousity, bob...

reverand jeremiah wright made an allegation that the cia was responsible for aids.

I seem to have missed the obama speech, or even discussion, where he dismisses the idea, directly.

I realize that he has said:

"I can no more disown him than I can my white grandmother." but isn't there a substantial element to race relations in america that kinda demand that he rebuke(or even prove) race baiting statements? wouldn't that go a long way in healing the 'divide' between white and black culture?

I guess it is a matter of 'speaking truth to power'. the messiah himself sees no reason to speak truth to the 'downtrodden' minority masses. best to indulge the fantasies.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Way to go, Dan. Friedersdorf pwns you fools even via a couple of short quotations."

Ah yes, here's Friedersdorf's "quotation" of Riehl:

“Yes, I think it was right to incinerate your cities”?

Now, go ahead, Bob, and show where Riehl states that Obama should say that.

Too bad Conor can't just stick to the facts. But we should remember that he is a propagandist and demagogue, not a journalist or anyone actually interested in reporting. He has a line that Obama and Andrew Sullivan pay him to repeat, and he does a fine job of it.

[mark l.]

conor friedersdorf school of strawmen example #12( a beauty):

"What good would it possibly do to tell the Japanese, “Yes, I think it was right to incinerate your cities”?"

[North Dallas Thirty]

And my favorite examples of Friedersdorf's stupidity are these immortal lines:

"President Obama is also endeavoring to slow nuclear proliferation, so it would hardly due to have headlines in Iranian newspapers pointing out that even as he demands that other nations give up nuclear weapons, he is saying that their only actual use in history was justified."

In short:

1) Friedersdorf is insisting that Iran's current position is equivalent to that of the United States's versus the Axis powers in World War II.

2) Friedersdorf is concerned about how newspapers that already blamed Barack Obama for causing their recent riots and election issues when he didn't do anything and regularly publish as factual accounts of how Jews kidnap and grind up children to make their matzah are going to portray this.

Again, though, we're dealing with a paid propagandist for Barack Obama and Andrew Sullivan here. He needs to spin and protect Obama, so he's really going to draw those sort of ludicrous analogues and act all upset over how "news outlets" that make Soviet-era Pravdas look fair and balanced.

[Bob]

"reverand jeremiah wright made an allegation that the cia was responsible for aids."

What about ACORN and Bill Ayers? Can any topic be discussed without dragging in at least one irrelevant wing nut fetish? Obama would be criticized by right wingers like you guys for literally anything he did. It's so intellectually dishonest. Your bad faith is so extreme that you're disloyal to the country.

[mark l.]

beyond the nuclear deaths, there were twice as many killed by 'conventional' firebombing.

this seems to put fdr back on the hook, even more so than truman....

one wonders whether obama would even know to blanche at the idea of admiring fdr.

following the lefty line of responsiblity, fdr made the decisions and thus, absolves our country.

[Bob]

"Again, though, we're dealing with a paid propagandist for Barack Obama and Andrew Sullivan here. He needs to spin and protect Obama, so he's really going to draw those sort of ludicrous analogues and act all upset over how "news outlets" that make Soviet-era Pravdas look fair and balanced."

So North Dallas now rests his entire argument against Friedersdorf on the notion that he's a paid propagandist of Obama. North Dallas proceeds from that bold opening move straight to being checkmated when he can't provide any evidence to support that accusation.

But wait: maybe North Dallas is HIMSELF a paid propagandist who Obama hired to portray wing nuts as being hopelessly, laughably lame, and thereby discredit the entire conservative movement. How diabolical!

[montee]

Well said Dan. I believe sometimes the overly harsh manner in which some right-of-center individuals give their opinions can allow their thoughts to get lost in translation. I would never have really expected President Obama to take the question head-on or say yes "we should have bombed and we will never apologize for it". But what this exposes, is that at times it seems that President Obama can't think on his feet. Why not say "its is a time for looking forward and not looking backward", or state the challenging position the both countries found themselves in at the time. He didn't answer because it seems he had no idea what to say (I would hope it was that and not that he wanted to actually say yes or no). It had been speculated that such a question would be asked well ahead of time. Some genuinely feel that his reaction is in keeping his record of voting "present" while trying to dodge a difficult vote.

[O!]

Bob, thank you for that additional helping of Journolist/Axelturf talking point spam.

2010.

[Gary]

Sorry Dan, I get passionate about fake conservatives sometimes.

[mark l.]

"Can any topic be discussed without dragging in at least one irrelevant wing nut fetish?"

the one i bought up has nothing to do with conservatives, other than that they are deniers of the cia/aids theory, along with other rational beings not defined by political persuasion.

he has yet to deny this fantasy...

methinks he doesn't want to spoil the plantation mentality that the democrat party lives and breathes off of.

so much for a post racial president.

[templar knight]

Kudos, Dan. Your take on Obama's whiff was spot on right after it happened, and the fact that he passed, or struck out, if you will, while standing at the podium was not a surprise to most of us. Without a teleprompter the man is helpless, and exposes his inability to react to something he hasn't been prepared for. Didn't idiots like Bob criticize Bush for this? Why, yes, they did, but they can't allow any criticism of Obama.

As for Conor's lame attempt to defend him, I use the old adage, with friends like Conor, who needs enemies. It appears Conor pulled a Bob and didn't even read what you said, or perhaps he too is mentally challenged, although methinks he was more likely just brown-nosing Andy Sullivan. I wonder why.

[JSF]

Two things:

1) His mentor, AS is just nuts. I never knew he had a OB-GYN degree. if you want to dissipate some the Right's anger against Obama, send Sullivan home to the UK. Trust me, it will work.

2) I have a bet running that Conor will be an Obama speechwriter after the 2010 elections. Nothing he has written has changed my opinion. has Conor ever written an article attacking the Obama administration? NOPE.

When the Right re-takes the Hill in 2010, I'll make sure a Dear Colleuge Letter is passed around that Conor is not to be trusted to work for any member of our side. He can work for Sen. Byrd for all I care, he ain't pissing here.

At least not until he goes after AS' anti-semitism or the Obama Adminsistration for at least 6 months. But Conorr is no Conservative so he won't.

[Gary]

Bottom line -- Barack couldn't think of an answer to a a question that should have been anticipated, prepared for and rehearsed. He's a shoot from the hip dumbass who uses a teleprompter, and his nation's supposed flaws, as a crutch, shield and spear.

But of course, according to all the smart people ........ Sarah Palin is the dumb one.

[Bob]

"he has yet to deny this fantasy..."

I hear Obama also didn't specifically deny that Sarah Palin was his first choice for VP. Does that prove that she was?

"methinks he doesn't want to spoil the plantation mentality that the democrat party lives and breathes off of.

so much for a post racial president."

Mark -- dude -- friends don't let friends post comments when they're high. Now put the hash pipe down and go get some fresh air . . .

[Bob]

"As for Conor's lame attempt to defend him, I use the old adage, with friends like Conor, who needs enemies."

Goddamn!! Templar lightweight, you are SO goddamn clever. Where did you ever come up with such an original thought, and phrased so brilliantly too. Damn!

[mark l.]

so for the record bob...

i gather you don't believe that the cia invented aids.

i also gather that you believe that this is not a common urban legend, despite obama's own pastor of 20 years, perpetuating the myth, OR

even if a segment of the african-american population is being indoctrinated in racist dogma without a scintilla of proof, it is beyond obama's duty to ameliorate and it matters little to you.

i have seen you suggest that there are individuals on the right how are motivated by racial disharmony. I merely point out that messiah can't exactly throw stones in the matter.

[mark l.]

think of it this way:

some president goes to a lot of UFO conventions, and the press is going to ask him whether he believes in ufos.

jeremiah wright's church was a little like the black x-files. you think now that obama made it, he'd throw the congregation a clue.

[Otter]

Q: what do you call a leftist adrift in a sea moral relativism, lies and obfuscation?
A: bob

[Elmo]

What's the big deal? Obama is an idiot savant [smile for the camera Obie ... say something uh ... grandiloquent (poyfect/that's a wrap)]. Just like dem chickens I usta see, at the county fair, when in gradeschool.

Beeg white wooden box. Glass display window (front). Inside? A chicken. You puts in yur nickel/dime/quarter .... and the chicken sets about tinkling the ivories (of the little toy piano inside).

Chucklehead Obama ... duh Twelfth Muddy/Pwezzy OIC
Fiddy Sebben (altered) States.

P.S. He'll never recover from steppin in the KSM/NYC bucket a sheet. He's done.

P.P.S. Who's Andy Sullivan?

[Elmo]

Still haven't watched the vid (but now perusing the thread comments):

North Dallas Thirty | Monday, November 16, 2009 at 09:28 PM
"President Obama is also endeavoring to slow nuclear proliferation"

My heartfelt belief is a polar opposite (of quoted Friedersdorf). Chucklehead doing everything he can, to undermine Israel on the world stage [ahead of their now guaranteed (take it to el banco) preemptive strike].

And in turn, trying to insure Iran's ascendancy to destroyer of worlds. It simply ... who he is.

Soldier of Allah.

[templar knight]

Settle down, Bob. Many of us use old sayings to make an analogy about a particular issue or personality. As you mature, and someday ditch the cheetos and your mommy's basement, you might attain that particular talent. Or you may not. You're about as sharp as a marble, son. There I go again, using those analogies.

[WestWright]

Watching that video of obama stumbling/mumbling and trying to think of an answer reinforces why his handlers know better than let the buffoon go off script or take real questions in a real press conference. Also explains why the obama admin has such raw disdain for a free speech as well as FOX news. Obama is hopelessly loss in his own bubble.

[norton]

Only a cowardly politico answers (or should I say "attempts" to answer) a question that was not asked.

[Bob]

"even if a segment of the african-american population is being indoctrinated in racist dogma without a scintilla of proof, it is beyond obama's duty to ameliorate and it matters little to you."

These right wing "controversies" are just petty excuses to criticize Obama about something, and if he ever actually did address the issues that you claim to care about so deeply, you'd only move the goalposts or invent new grievances to criticize him about. The Fort Hood case was a perfect example. It really didn't matter what Obama did or what he said, it was always said to be inadequate by right wingers. And this endless rehashing of old phony controversies is really nothing but mental masturbation by right wingers.

There's something telling about the attitude that a prominent person becomes a stand-in for his or her entire ethnic group, and is made respnsible for the attitudes and actions of every other member of that group, isn't there? Why don't conservatives ever demand that white Republicans do a "sister soul-jah" on every white racist peckerwood in the country? Oh, but that NEVER happens, because white people are always seen as individuals with their own separate attitudes. We can't expect any white person to be responsible for their entire race. It's like how all the TV talking heads expect Obama to denounce Kanye West every time he does or says something stupid. How would you like to be made responsible for Britney Spears or Courtney Love just because they're white and you are too?

There's so much bad faith and intellectual dishonesty in this endless bitching and whining of right wingers. Why don't you find something important to care about, and actually try to do something constructive?

[Paul Zummo]

There's so much bad faith and intellectual dishonesty in this endless bitching and whining of right wingers. Why don't you find something important to care about, and actually try to do something constructive?

Says the guys who seemingly spends the majority of his day whining and bitching in the comment box of a conservative political blog. I love people who are so non self-aware.

[Mike2Cents]

Paul -
You pretty much affirm Bob's point.
Rather than actually challenge what he's asserting - you just throw out something irrelevant.
And that seems to be the case with 90% of the comments here...they just illuminate further the point CF was making. All this balls grabbing you guys do...man.
Obama gave a diplomatic answer. Look up the word and do try to understand the concept.
I suppose you spend your time at family get together vocalizing your real feelings about the in-laws...right?
And Mark L. - what...you think Obama believes the CIA invented AIDS? No? So what is your point...perhaps that politics makes strange bedfellows?
Sooner or later you all might wanna get a little less emotional and instead try thinking of politics as policy...not personalities.
(But then, where would that leave Dan Riehl?)

[mark l.]

"These right wing "controversies" are just petty excuses to criticize Obama about something..."

last chance, bob.

how is the preaching and formation of the beliefs of the cia inventing aids a right wing controversey?

"And Mark L. - what...you think Obama believes the CIA invented AIDS?"
I just assumed that he doesn't. still, his preacher and members of his church are true believers.

do you think it is healthy for obama to indulge these fantasies?

this whole thing is a spin-off of tuskeegee, which has some foundation in us history. becuase it is based on a 'true' story, then this other story must be true?
(as a side note, I looked up those involved with the syphillis experiment...not exactly lilly white. Whistleblower? not exactly black, either.

[mark l.]

when obama won, it was because he garnered a larger % of the white vote than kerry.

when people voted for him, they were expecting dennis haysbert.
the veneer is coming off rather quickly, and america is beginning to see him as an intellectual al sharpton.

personally, I want to see the turd in for two terms, so there is no mistake or historical rewrites.
he is not helping my cuase.

[templar knight]

"Obama gave a diplomatic answer."

Really. Care to enlighten us? As for challenging what Bob is asserting, please, a troll like Bob deserves no answer whatsoever, and is nothing more than an annoyance. Probably an employee of one of the nutroot organizations like moveon.org, or perhaps he really believes the bullshit he spouts off. Either way he is, at best, a loser.

[Mike2Cents]

TK -
I stand corrected...I should have said that he (BO) acted diplomatically (in this instance).
My point remains.
Thanks.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"There's something telling about the attitude that a prominent person becomes a stand-in for his or her entire ethnic group, and is made respnsible for the attitudes and actions of every other member of that group, isn't there?"

My dear Bob, your Obama Party has already established that all black people vote and think exactly the same way.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/oct/20/justice-dept-blocks-ncs-nonpartisan-vote/print/

In short, your Barack Obama states that all white people are racists and will not vote for black people unless they are clearly indicated as Obama Party members.

Furthermore, your Barack Obama has ranted many times about "typical white people" because his grandmother, who was white, was a racist -- and therefore, he says, all white people are racists.

Adding Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both leaders of the Obama Party, would seem to be piling on, but we should remember that both of them support imprisoning innocent white men based on the lies of a black prostitute and criminal because white people, according to them, are always guilty.

[Bob]

"the veneer is coming off rather quickly, and america is beginning to see him as an intellectual al sharpton."

I'm sorry, mark, but you only reveal your own tendency to lump all black political figures into the same category -- why would that possibly be? They all look the same to you, or what? Comparing those two is kind of like comparing, let's say, Bill Clinton with Dennis Kucinich. One is a pragmatic moderate and the other is more of a lefty firebrand. But I guess wing nuts can't tell the difference when the skin is darker.

And if you check the polls, nothing much is changing as far as Obama's approval/disapproval. In fact, the trend looks positive for Obama at the moment.

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php?xml=http://www.pollster.com/flashcharts/content/xml/Obama44JobApproval.xml&choices=Approve,Disapprove&phone=&ivr=&internet=&mail=&smoothing=&from_date=2009-9-01&to_date=&min_pct=30&max_pct=60&grid=&points=1&lines=1&colors=Disapprove-BF0014,Approve-000000,Undecided-68228B

I just think it's funny that people who can't distinguish between Barack Obama and Al Sharpton are the ones trying to imply that Obama is the one with troubling attitudes about race. North Dallas Fitty-Cent only reinforces the notion that wing nuts see all black politicians as being the same. But of course it's Obama who has the problem. What hypocrites.

[O!]

Bob, thank you for that additional helping of Journolist/Axelturf talking point spam.

2010.

[Mike2Cents]

Bob -
You are about to learn that only one side is allowed to address race as a component in their arguments here. And if you ever point it out, the Malkin-esque 'Racist!!' song gets cued...usually w/ ND30 on lead vocals.

That said...
I don't think Mark L. typically veers into that swamp the way many here do...and that he was making a more nuanced point.
As am, I guess, I.
And that is never allowed for sure.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"I'm sorry, mark, but you only reveal your own tendency to lump all black political figures into the same category -- why would that possibly be? They all look the same to you, or what?"

You mean like you support and endorse your Barack Obama doing with his remarks about "typical white persons"?

http://www.usnews.com/blogs/news-desk/2008/03/21/obama-typical-white-person-comment-delights-clinton-aides.html

Meanwhile, we should also remember what Barack Obama endorses and supports being taught to public schoolchildren.

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YTQ0YjhlOGVhYjQ0OWRhZjI2MmM4NTQ4NGM5Mjg0MzU=

"Carruthers is a defender of Leonard Jeffries, professor in the department of black studies at City College in Harlem, infamous for his black supremacist and anti-Semitic views. Jeffries sees whites as oppressive and violent “ice people,” in contrast to peaceful and mutually supportive black “sun people.” The divergence says Jeffries, is attributable to differing levels of melanin in the skin. Jeffries also blames Jews for financing the slave trade. Carruthers defends Jeffries and excoriates the prestigious black academics Carruthers views as traitorous for denouncing their African brother, Jeffries. Carruthers’s vision of the superior and peaceful Kemetic philosophy of Ptahhotep triumphing over Greco-Euro-American-white culture obviously parallels Jeffries’ opposition between ice people and sun people.

More of Carruthers’s education philosophy can be found in his newsletter, The Kemetic Voice. In 1997, for example, at the same time Carruthers was advising SSAVC on how to set up an African-centered curriculum, he praised the decision of New Orleans’ School Board to remove the name of George Washington from an elementary school. Apparently, some officials in New Orleans had decided that nobody who held slaves should have a school named after him. Carruthers touted the name-change as proof that his African-centered perspective was finally having an effect on public policy. At the demise of George Washington School, Carruthers crowed: “These events remind us of how vast the gulf is that separates the Defenders of Western Civilization from the Champions of African Civilization.”

According to Chicago Annenberg Challenge records, Carruthers’s training session on African-centered curricula for SSAVC teachers was a huge hit: “As a consciousness raising session, it received rave reviews, and has prepared the way for the curriculum readiness survey....” These teacher-training workshops were directly funded by the Chicago Annenberg Challenge. Another sure sign of the ideological cast of SSAVC’s curriculum can be found in Annenberg documents noting that SSAVC students are taught the wisdom of Ptahhotep. Carruthers’s concerns about “menticide” and “genocide” at the hand of America’s white supremacist system seem to be echoed in an SSAVC document that says: “Our children need to understand the historical context of our struggles for liberation from those forces that seek to destroy us.”"

[Bob]

"You are about to learn that only one side is allowed to address race as a component in their arguments here. And if you ever point it out, the Malkin-esque 'Racist!!' song gets cued...usually w/ ND30 on lead vocals."

Yes, Mike, the wingers tend of overuse the tactic of accusing the opposition of what they're doing themselves, thinking that it's supposed to inoculate them against legitimate criticism when all it does is make them hypocrites.

And yes, pretty soon North Doofus IQ-30 will be comparing Obama to Stokeley Carmichael and Eldridge Cleaver. You know, because ALL those non-white political figures look and act exactly the same, and none of them are "real" Americans.

[O!]

Bob, thank you for that additional helping of Journolist/Axelturf talking point spam.

2010.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Actually, Bob, I always used to wonder why liberals like yourself and Mike2Cents were so obviously willing to make excuses for behavior based on skin color, especially when it came to obvious examples of racism by black people like Obama.

Then I did a bit more research into what your parents believed.

"In line with their white self-loathing and their exaltation of Black Power, white babies were seen as “tainted with the original sin of ‘skin privilege’”, while one “Weathermother” was told as she breastfed her child that, “all white babies are pigs”, and that her baby should be put in the garbage (Gitlin, p. 400).

A particularly disturbing episode that illuminates the close link that operated amongst the Weathermen between sex, race and carefully cultivated white guilt was recounted in detail by a former casual girlfriend of Ayers. She claims he forced her to have sex with his black roommate after insisting that the only reason she wouldn’t do so was “because he was black—that I was a bigot. I had gone to school with black kids and had them as friends all my life. I couldn’t believe he was saying that to me”:

http://www.quadrant.org.au/magazine/issue/2009/3/obama-and-the-weathermen

In short, after so many years of liberal indoctrination, you simply aren't capable of thinking past skin color any more. All you know is that, since Obama is black, everything he does is right.

That is a concept foreign to conservativism, in which ideas and actions are far more important than skin color. But in the world of liberalism, where skin color is determinant of personality, of vote, and of party affiliation, this sort of obvious racism can flourish and come to fruition in the person of Obama and his supporters like you.

[Bob]

North Dallas, you pompous blowhard, I really couldn't care less about your pretensions or your lame ideas. I've never encountered a more intellectually dishonest, absolutely pure 100% propagandist in my entire life. So, sure, the person who goes on about "black messiah" thinks he gets to lecture anyone about racial attitudes. Go piss up a rope, you lame-ass poser.

[Darth Venomous]

"North Dallas, you pompous blowhard, I really couldn't care less about your pretensions or your lame ideas"

Which is why, Roberta, you can't help yourself in responding to each & every one of them.

Just like the (insert your favorite vaginal reference here) you've always been.

And you still won't ever say it to anyone's face. What a coward.

[Elmo]

Darth Venomous | Wednesday, November 18, 2009 at 02:27 AM
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Callin bob a kkkkunt is an insult to vaginas everywhere. Bbbbut den again, Thomas Sowell just called duh Pwezzy a jackass.

[Though of course, we have yet to hear from the outraged (we assume) jackass union ... (DNC, Reid, Pelosi, Sheik Yer Bouty/Ben Dover/Fayrow Bomma, Axel Rod (through the crankcase), oond Field Marshal Rahmel (to your face? anytime B. Yotch ... anytime)].

And so it goes ....