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No offense here but I guess I missed it when Beck gave his down with Democrats, down with the GOP speech. I, anyway was hearing his down with corruption in either party, and that we need to get some good people in government that represent the people, not special interest groups, and that abide by the Constitution. Am I not watching the same show as everyone else, or is it you that are not watching his show?

"He's every bit as much a charlatan as is Obama. "

Wow. So email SPAM inspires hyperbole. That's something new I learned today.

And tylertoo - I'm watching the same show you are. Perhaps Dan has a different cable provider.

Riehl has never liked Beck; he wrote a hit piece on him for Pajamas Media earlier this year. So this outburst does not surprise me.

I can't figure out where your hatred of Beck comes from. But a big clue came in your second sentence. Envy. The guy has a radio show, big-time TV show, and all you have is this little blog and a Tweeter account.

Look, any suggestion of a third party is ridiculous. But who's going to deny that the GOP needs a good flushing too. That's all I've heard from Beck, but I'll admit that because of a real job, I can't watch all the time.

Call him what you will, Glenn Beck has done more for the conservative movement than you ever will. Really disappointed in this post and you. Should have kept your contempt under your hat.

I've only heard Beck say get rid of the corruption in both parties. I don't watch him every day as I get too depressed thinking about what the future may hold.

When I want your advice, Nate, I'll rattle your cage. And Beck hasn't done anything for the conservative movement as far as I can tell. He does things for himself. But if you want to kiss his ass, be my guest.

All wet rinos are watering down Republican votes.
I won't be coming back here again.

Untwist your panties, Dan. Several commenters have explained how you're wrong.

I'm not wrong, Al. The best doc in the world can diagnose a problem. Fine, I agree with Beck on that. But if the doc gives you the wrong cure, he can kill you. Beck's answer is wrong. Period. Look what it causes this worship BS. This idiot Lenny now assumes what? I'm a Rino because I won't bow down to one man? Fck that stupid chit I have no time for children in the game like Lenny. He can take squiggy with him for all I care. What a clown.

I'm with tylertooo and Lala. Beck has pointed out that, through the years, politicians from each of the major parties have fought big government (pre-
Wilson for the Dems) while politicians from both parties have also massively grown government. I've never heard Beck say that the right answer is a third party. I believe the right answer is to individually support conservatives who are running for office instead of supporting either party, and that's what Beck seems to be advocating.

"I'm getting spam now for the fourth book this clown wants to sell this year. How much money does he have to make?"

A buyer and seller of their own free will exchange goods. I can see now why Democrats have such a strong hold on the minds of so many people. "How much money does he have to make?" It's sad that someone like you has resorted to that line.

Spam is usually committed by independent affiliates. Not sure why you try to shift blame to Beck, you need to find a better email provider.

As for Beck, he's doing the right thing. There is nothing wrong with holding the political system as a whole accountable. Unfortunately, many think this a Democrat/Republican issue when it's actually a corruption issue as well as a Constitutional issue.

The problem with Dan and the triumvirate (Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin) is that they see part of the problem, the GOP machine, as the solution. I ask the question, when has the GOP ever reduced the size of government? The answer is never. At some point I would think that many would pause for a bit, take off the GOP rose colored glasses and make an honest assesment of what the GOP has actually done as opposed to what it claims to represent. The results are damning.

I don't know if a third party is a solution, I would prefer it not to happen, but if it happens I wouldn't condemn it as Dan does. These are truly historic times, it's amazing how short-sighted the GOP marketers have been. The last election was no normal election, we elected the man that the socialists have dreamed of. It allows for even greater fusion of state and corporation, something that was pushed strongly by President Bush in his last year I might add.

tylertooo, Lala, and Al.....count me in. There's bad blood between the Hannity/Levin's and the Beck/O'Reilly's. Until I can get to the bottom of it, I'll have to take Beck at his word.

Beck is right,this guy Riele or Riely or whatever is a boob. Oh and its time to flush out the RINOS.

Name calling aside, Glenn Beck has done more to 'wake people up' than all of the bloggers in the country.

John Henry Eden

Asshat, uninvited mass email has nothing to do with capitalism. Gawd, I hate it when morons try to sound intelligent.

Posts like this are really disappointing. We need to stick together, at least until such time that it's appropriate and justified to do otherwise.

Beck only advocates for common sense, small government and weeding out corruption. And he shines a bright, compelling light on Obama's shenanigans and Marxist associations regularly, the White House's reaction to him proof positive he's hitting nerves.

I don't understand what's so distasteful about this to some people on our side.

Somehow I doubt Beck is stupid enough to push a third party thing. He knows we can't survive eight years of this, much less four. If he does, he's lost me as a fan. But not until.

Dan, seriously, this is getting a little silly. I'm not a huge fan of Beck's schtick, but this obsessive anti-Beck stuff ceased being amusing about 20 posts ago.

Back with another comment. you tout yourself as a conservative blogger yet you are complaining about Beck making money. No one is telling you that you have to buy his book. As a conservative, I want the right to buy the book or not, but with the crap that is going on in govt today, I am seriously wondering if a day will come that I won't have that choice. IMHO, you don't try to take down anyone who is doing what they can to help America from going under. There are enough libs out there doing that aready. You would think that with things like the health care bill, cap and trade, global warming crap, politically correct garbage, and all the many other things that the libs in govt are trying to shove down our throats that you would be fighting for our freedoms, and not trying to bring down one of our own. Very pathetic indeed.

Beck has done more to highlight Obama's nefarious relations than anyone. His chalkboard talk is a bit silly, but visuals help. And Obama and Co. aren't denying any of it. Beck has read Saul Alinsky's book, so he understands what we face.

As for you, Dan, what research have you done? Other than firebombs tossed out here and there, what presentation of the facts have you done to educate your visitors? Not much that I've seen, at least not without being inflammatory.

So get over your schoolyard jealousy of Beck and help spread the message of the evil web of anti-American corruption that surrounds Obama.

Rawr! Claws out!

Dan Riehl is usually correct. His instincts on Beck are wrong, and Dan is "all-in" on his Beck bashing.
Beck is a showman, but he is correct. Dan, I suggest you refute what Beck says, or you risk becoming another Charles Johnson. And you deserve better than that Dan.

Well, it's not just Beck either, probably. This is how Chuck nutcase over at LGF started. Dan, I love ya man, and you might well be right to be angry about the possibility of a third party gaining traction, but honestly, you going crackers like this, and snapping back at commenters in comments yourself is just too much!

Alistair, people sometimes react emotionally or viscerally in anger. Dan isn't a hot head.

Let's look at Beck's style for just a moment. He likes the big attention grabbing stuff right? That certainly plays into Dan's and many others fears that he wants to start a third party. However as others have pointed out that would just give the Left an even stronger grip on power if the right splits its vote. So the question becomes what could Beck be thinking of doing. Here is a thought...Constitutional Amendment.

Now before you start laughing your head off here is the relavant wording:

An amendment may be proposed by a national convention and ratified by conventions in three fourths of the States. (That would be 38 of the States by the way).

Now picture Beck tomorrow announcing that he is forming groups in all fifty states that were going to put this convention on the ballot. Next he lists a set amendments (things that would appeal to the vast majority of American citizens). The left in this country would go absolutely apesh@t. Just the thought of the Conservatives of this country holding a Consitutional Convention would be something the left could not ignore. They would have to spend vast amounts of time and effort fighting it and it would have the benefit of not harming the Right.

Now it might be a crazy idea but with Beck you never can tell.

I watch Glenn Beck. Every day, since I'm currently unemployed (thanks, Mr. President) and am available to tune in. I've heard what he has to say, and I agree with many on here that while Beck has more than a little ham in him, he's also really good at putting the pieces of this radical administration together in a way that makes sense.

If you don't like what he has to say or the way he says it, you're certainly entitled to put it on your blog. That doesn't mean I have to watch while you carry on this vendetta. If you keep this up, you will almost certainly go the way of LGF.

Look, for the last time, I'm not saying Beck is wrong on the issues he points out. Nor di I begrudge him any wealth he can aquire for doing it. But his constant talk about taking the Democrats AND the Republicans down is a load of horsechit.

One of two parties will control Congress AFTER the 2010 midterms. Tha is a fact. If Beck was smart, he'd be helping us to drive the GOP to the Right, not lumping them in with the Democrats. Anyone who wants to tell me there is no difference between the two is full of crap. And that is precisely what Beck says, over and over.

It's BS designed to bolster himself and grow his reputation. It is not working toward a prudent solution to take Americaq back in 2010. And if you can't see that, just because Beck says things you like, then you are not intelligent enough to understand what is truly best for America right now.

Weakening both parties now will only leave control with the Democrats. And at the rate they are going, there will be little of America worth defending from a conservative point of view by 2012.

Those ARE the facts. You may not like them. But you cannot refutre them without wild eyed daydreams of independent and thrid party movements that will only ensure progressive control of America until it is too late to do much about it. They will have it all bottled up by 2012 at this rate.

I'm not a huge Beck fan but he makes some good points at times.
Sorry but this "We have to stick with the GOP because anything else will only aid the progressives" line is a crock. The NY 23 and Florida Senate shows that they still don't get it.
From now on field a true Conservative or go to hell, no more will I hold my nose and vote for lukewarm, fence straddlers.

It's true that there is too much at stake in the 2010 election to allow the GOP to split significantly. Look what is happening on the health care bill because there are 60 Dem(ish) senators. Every single GOP senator will vote against this bill on every vote - even Snowe (I think). At the same time, it's clear that with friends like Scozzafava, who needs enemies? Glenn Beck is very popular right now and he is milking it for all it's worth. Who can blame him? He's not wrong about America's problems. Splitting the GOP would be a disaster, but I don't think he's necessarily advocating that.

I am glad to see someone else sees right through Beck. Ironically enough, I have been thinking about writing such a piece over at my place, but have been too busy with porting the site to another platform over the last week to get going on it until now.

Beck IMO, is a classic snake oil salesman. He is like O'Reilly with a hash pipe. He has an ego the size of Obama's, likes to take credit for everything and anything, even when he has little or nothing to with it. He also likes to plagarize from others like Biden on steroids and never gives attribution.

Name me one thing that Beck HIMSELF has done that has had any REAL impact on the political situation over the last year?

ACORN - No, Michelle Malkin has been on them for years, exposing all of their dirty trick and deeds and Breitbart and Hannah Giles have been doing the heavy lifting over the past year (with more to come). And they (ACORN) are a major part of her #1 best-selling Culture of Corruption. Beck is a 3AM party crasher on that one.

The Tea Parties - As much as he likes to fancy himself the King George of the Tea Parties, he had nothing to do with them. They actually started with a commenter on Malkin's site back in January, reporting on how some fed up people in Seattle there started protesting and after that comment was posted it started gaining a life of it's own. Rick Santelli on CNBC helped fan the flames about a month later with his famous exhortation.

Town Halls - Nope. Those basically grew out of the Tea Party Movement, which Beck was very late for to begin with. Though you never would have known it with his sticking his mug in front of the camera everytime you turned around during FOX's coverage of the 9/12 Rally in D.C. Really disgusting.

The only thing I can give the dude half-credit on is Van Jones. Whoop-dee-doo. He helped take down an "A" ball minor league prospect on a team full of All-Star Crooks and Communists.

Aside from any talk of a third party, his manner is also buffoonish and almost cartoon like. Hardly the type of image that the conservative movement needs. One buffoon (O'Reilly) is enough. No need for Beck to try to trump him every chance he gets.

As for envy, to me it is Beck who is seething with envy. Especially of Mark Levin. Why else would he shamelessly plagarize from his "Liberty and Tyranny" book and give no attribution to Levin for the passage in question. Or not once, ever mention the book on his TV show while pushing his and other's books relentlessly? He also did a moronic version of Levin's famous "Get off the phone you big dope!" tagline on his radio show a couple of months ago. And he then pretended he was the first person to play the 2001 Obama radio call-in show when he was speaking about the Constitution's "negative rights". Levin had been playing that for a year and half already, because his show was the one who dug it up. And again, no attribution given. I do not blame Levin for derisively calling him "The 5PMer".

To sum it up, I see a very bad trend that a lot of conservatives are almost worshiping this guy, not quite, but fairly close to Obama levels. On the other hand, I would not be surprised to see him fall to some scandal or simply wear out his welcome in a couple of years and have his show be canned. I think we all be better for it.

Dan, I like your blog. You do not NEED me here. But. You need to take a deep breath and step away from your anger for a moment. Your last comment was.... THOSE ARE FACTS. What you said, was/were not FACTS. What you said was your strongly held opinion and one that I generally agree with, but your OPINION is not the same as a FACT.
If I may. Dan, I believe you see Beck as selfish and detrimental to a solution to the LIBTARD DISASTER we are facing. If I am correct about your opinion, you may be right. Beck isn't dragging a critical mass to a nether world, never to win, only to lose more for our side 3rd party. Beck is doing what YOU are doing. He is overstating something for effect. Dan, I'm sure you are not angry FOR EFFECT, as I respect you and your motives. But Beck isn't your enemy. And Beck can help our cause.

I lied. Curiosity got the best of me and I came back.
You sure read an awful lot into my simple statement.

"Look what it causes this worship BS. This idiot Lenny now assumes what? I'm a Rino because I won't bow down to one man? Fck that stupid chit I have no time for children in the game like Lenny. He can take squiggy with him for all I care. What a clown."

I don't worship anyone. I find Beck interesting and amusing, but I cant take a lot of him. I just don't see how he deserved your assault.
I wasn't assuming that you're a rino. I was referring to the candidates that the Republicans serve up every cycle. I'm sick and tired of holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils. I assume you're OK with that.
You seem to be paranoid, overly emotional and extremely thin skinned. I suggest you stop putting your thoughts out there for the world to see, turn off the comments section or seek help.

btw: it appears that you tried to block me from posting again. I was rejected until I uncapped my name and changed my email. Just thought your readers might want to know.

We don't need to create a third party, we already have one: the Republican Party. GOP voter registration is near 20%. Conservatives account for more than half of all voters. And almost half of all voters are neither Democrats nor Republicans. When we conservatives decide to rally around the party our candidate (Palin maybe?) chooses, we will instantly become the biggest party in America.

Have you forgotten Dan that Ross Perot was leading in the polls when he temporarily quit the race in 1992? Despite a series of truly weird incidents (CIA intruded in his daughter's wedding e.g.), he came back and still garnered almost 20% of the vote. He could have won! And the GOP was a far stronger party in 1992 than it is today. So were the Dems. If Perot could have done it, what is it in your world that convinces you that people can't put their names next to any other ballot option other than Dem or Rep?

Voters are abandoning parties and are looking for a candidate to believe in. Right now, as never before in history, more than half of all voters have said they are ready for a new party. They said so in the same Gallup poll (about 3 weeks ago) that revealed that only 20% of voters identify with the GOP.

You have to let go of your GOP security blanket Dan. If Sarah proves to be instrumental in getting conservatives of any party elected in 2010, she has effectively created her own party. Then it would be up to the GOP to either get out of the way or face coming in third in 2012.

Lenny, I think Dan's attack on your post was out of line. Having said that, this is Dan's blog. But what I've learned in life, is that you can fall down or make a mistake and you may even have had the best of intentions, BUT, if you DIG IN and if after a deep breath you either don't see your mistake or over-reaction and if you don't have the good will, sense, dignit or honesty to STEP BACK, re-group, or even apologize for the forgivable mis-step...... you display a GREAT DEAL about your character going forward.
Dan OBVIOUSLY has a DISGUST for Glenn Beck. It's his intuition. I recognize the red flags, but, Beck doesn't rub me the wrong way, he merely makes me wonder about his sincerity. I can live with his SHOW, his ACT and I can definately live with Beck reaping the financial rewards of is current situation. But, I'm a very smart guy. Beck may be a showman, but I realize that the MESSENGER and the MESSAGE are 2 different things. Beck is not PROPAGANDIZING, furthermore, Becks, HISTRIONICS doesn't even come close to equaling the score of the MSM's ...MALPRACITICE of IGNORING or LICKING OBAMA'S TINY BALLS.
Dan had a bad day. He is a good man. I pray that Dan makes amends or considers how overt his actions have been tonight.
We look up to and count on DAN RIEHL. Charles Johnson whored himself. For cash.

Pasadena. I live in Wisconsin. You need not register for a party here. In fact in Wisconsin (ultra LIBTARD blue state), you need not have an i.d. to vote.
I considered myself a Democrat and voted as such for most of my life. I was wrong. As a very educated and very warm and caring person, I voted Democrat because of the hype, the Camelot and the MSM fantasy about Democrats caring/being for the "LITTLE GUY". Unions ARE NOT for the LITTLE GUY.
Anyway, as I evolved into a homeownner, father, adult and became less IDEALISTIC, I realized that DEMOCRATS/LIBTARDS supported failure for political gain, DEMOCRATS/LIBTARDS, supported ANYONE and ANYTHING that could help them GARNER POWER. Gays, Abortion lovers, Freaks, Nuts, Unions, Educrats, TRIAL LAWYERS, AFSCME,SEUI, ACORN, unwed mothers, BLACKS, illegal aliens, Students, Marxists, NAMBLA, ACLU, ........whatever GROUP, that LIBTARDS could make a CASH PROMISE too. IT'S SICK. IT'S BEYOND SICK.
DEMOCRATS/LIBTARDS promise MORONS freebies. The MORONS...ACCEPT the FREEBIES, paid for by US, and the MORONS, stay MORONS. It's become a CALCULATION by the DEMOCRAT PARTY.
Obama is a MARXIST. He is USING the IDIOTS and CO-DEPENDANT LIBTARD GROUPS and it's working.

Riehl is the one who appears to be the rodeo clown, not Beck.

It's definitely true that the parties are not the same, but you can't deny there's some major overlap that's poisoned our well to the point of near condemnation. The GOP needs to get a clue, read the current sentiment of the country, and leave behind the status quo Washington ways that put themselves above the interests of their bosses. THAT is a winning strategy. THAT needs to be a universal call to arms.

And THAT is largely what Beck is all about. HENCE his appeal, HENCE his popularity. HENCE the reason why the left views him as one of its biggest problems that needs to be "taken care of", whether by ridicule, manufactured scandal, or whatever. If they really thought he was a joke that was damaging the GOP, do you really think they would be calling for boycotts of his show, and doing everything they can think of to delegitimize him?

It's maddening when folks on our side give them cover, and legitimize their actions.


Never watch Beck, O'Reilly, Limbo .... cetera (it's television!). Sure, yeah ... on occasion. Beck's made clear, simple linear constructs. Out of the lies, deception, and skullduggery. For all to see. Yeoman work (even if on another's shoulder or two?). Getting the message out. But, well (fook me) ... in a few ways, reminds me of a soytin blogger name a elmo. And I teenk we all in accordance ... we don't want that clown on the ship's bridge.

On a more important avenue ... cooperation among conservatives. Yeah, been some turmoil in the past. Likely will be in the future. Stay true to yourselves people. What you believe. What you value. We're not all gunna agree. Not even close. BVD's a twist over the small stuff? We're better than that. Much. Eye's on the prize.

Taking America back from a confederation of traitors. Who are now flushing her down the commie/socialist/nihilist/Islamist commode. With passion and glee.

I agree with Pasadena Phil: No third party!

Honestly, the reason why there is so much corruption is because voters continue voting for the 'lifers' under the premise that their own politician is great BUT everyone else is corrupt.

For example, Ron Paul has been in Washington since 1976, John McCain about the same-


You cannot demand a third party if the voters continue re-electing the same politicians over a periods of decades.

While I agree with many points Glenn has made, I believe that we need to be rebuilding the GOP party from inside and work to replace the RINOs with the conservatives.

Personally, I don't think Glenn would have a problem with this idea. He is like many of us...he just wants conservatives in the WH and Congress.

I am sure he knows that the third party solution won't work but he has to try it sometime!

I wouldn't call Glenn Beck an ass the next time.

Beck has called out the Progressive disease in BOTH parties. What is so hard to understand Dan? I honestly am dumbfounded by this vitriol some on the right have towards Beck.

I'll wager Dan is a Levin man. Mark Levin. Mr. "get off the phone ya jerk!". Man has that accomplished a lot! I stopped listening to Levin when he goes on his daily bitch and moan sessions about Beck the "back bencher"! Beck is many things but not a back bencher!

Somebody posted previously when has the GOP reduced the government? Not in my lifetime. Reagan tried but failed granted he had a Democrat congress. What was Bush's excuse?

This country is collapsing and we will soon be at war here in our streets and all you can complain about is Beck?

It's no wonder the right keeps getting its ass kicked by the Progressives. We resort to this BS.
Savage hates everybody, Levin hates Savage and Beck, Beck applauds Rush and Rush minds his business. Rush every now and then takes a shot at Beck for the GOP bashing but not to this extent.

This is sounding more like Olberman. You went too far bashing your readers Dan. If this is what you're about let us know. We'll leave and leave you alone with Bob. No one here from what I've seen has called you names yet you resort to trash talk.

This friendly fire crap is pathetic. Your post sounded mildly Progressive. You made unfounded accusations, you have problems with his work ethic and success.

This garbage about third party. With the technology now a days a third party can become prominent overnight. See NY-23. Besides there are third parties already established.

This is a waste of time.

Seems we have "BDS" back but with a new "B."

vanderleun,

Yes.

Apparently today Dan left the real world. I hope he's back soon.

Could be. The problem with the medium is that often people take adamantine positions and then later, when it seems they've gone a bit wrong or off, cannot hit the reset button and admit error. Without that there's no going back or a new direction.... it's just Charles Johnson turtles all the way down.

If what Dan was trying to do was get a rise out of us, it looks like he did. I don't really think we should be dividing ourselves. We need to learn to stand together, and stand strong against the liberal garbage that govt is throwing at us. I think that is what has gotten our feathers ruffled. I, myself, think that Beck stands with us, and our freedoms. We have enough attackers, and don't need one of our own doing the same - divided we fall - is that our problem?

Elmo,

That was a brilliant link! Thanks. Bookmarked.

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