Cao's Vote

I can appreciate any frustration over Republican Joseph Cao's vote for Oba-Pelosi care. I may not like it any more than anyone else; however, is it fair to expect anything else given the district he represents? And, yes, I think the exchange to get rid of Jefferson is worth it if he tries to bring some political decency to his district back home. I can't charge Cao with re-educating his constituency on the value of limited government and lower taxes all by himself. Those issues in his likely constituency go much further than any one Congressional district in the US.

Yes, he’s the one who took over corruptocrat Democrat William Jefferson’s seat. I had reservations about him on election night because of his soft-on-immigration views. But I gave him the benefit of the doubt. If he could stand strong on limited government and fiscal conservatism, it would be worth it.

The choices are pretty simple. Let Cao go and get another liberal Democrat, or take our lumps because of the way things are and hope he's trying to bring some better values in politics to the people back home. He was sent to DC to represent them, not me, or my own political agenda.

That's democracy folks.

Comments

[Fred Beloit]

Well, they passed it in the House. Consensus...consensus. But where is the consensus? I don't see it, do you? One jerk from Louisiana is the lone Republican vote for the socialist/fascists. They don't have consensus, and nobody is going to buy the crazy that Caoboy's vote makes it a bipartisan victory.

All the Dems have achieved is the deep hatred for libruls by half of America...not exactly consensus.
So what is called "the people's house" [I guess because people go there to extort money from other people) will have to be overturned in the Senate, a common occurrence. It ain't over yet, folks.

[Pasadena Phil]

I disagree. It doesn't matter whether incumbents are Democrats or Republicans. If they vote for Marxism, vote them out of office even if it means surrendering the seat to a Democrat. Besides, voting out all incumbents guarantees a GOP majority next year. We might finally be able to test William F. Buckley's claim that we could pick 435 people out of the NYC phone book who would make a better Congress.

Walking the plank has consequences and if you think the threat of not getting re-elected has no effect, ask anyone who has participated in Congressional election campaigns. No one runs for office intending to serve only two years. It is a very expensive and emotionally draining road to shame. The shame is real.

If these weasels insist on selling out their supporters right out of the gate, we have a responsibility to keep voting them out. That is the very essence of what makes representative government work. Cao walked the plank for Pelosi and Obama as a corruptocrat. Let's finish the "walk the plank" thing.

[Philip McDaniel]

I sure hope you're right Fred, otherwise it's welcome to the end of the Republic and the beginning of the Fascist state...actually worse, since a Fascist state allows private ownership of business. It just tells you what to do. These scumbags want to run it and tell us what to do.

[Hive Mind]

Republic, not a democracy.

Grumble.

[datechguy]

I would point out that Cao has bluntly said in the past that if Abortion is included in the bill he will not vote for it no matter what the deal is. I wrote about back in August.

http://datechguy.wordpress.com/2009/08/05/a-real-catholic-pol/

Cao's district is 64% black but he was willing to oppose the Bill based on his strong Catholic faith. If it gets stripped so will Cao's support.

Now lets have fun watching the msm forced to choose between ignoring "bi-partisian" result or lionizing a faithful Catholic. It will be fun to watch.

http://datechguy.wordpress.com/2009/11/08/ny-23-the-healthcare-vote-and-gods-mysterious-ways/

Lets see what happens in the end.

[MarkJ]

"That's democracy folks."

Wrong, friend-o. In Cao's case "That's idiocy folks."

Ruminate and discuss with your reflection in the mirror:

Cao escaped from communist tyranny in Vietnam, only to end up voting to impose another form of tyranny in his adopted country. Jeez, Cao is epic-fail-weak in that he couldn't even negotiate a proper deal with Obama. He all but handed Lord Zero the K-Y and told him, "Be gentle--it's my first time." Hell, even Judas was smart enough to at least hold out for "thirty pieces of silver."

What a Cao-ward.

[Joseph Brown]

I hate to break it to you, but on one the Fox shows, sorry, I don't remember which one, a pollster said 80 to 90% would be re-elected. We somehow forget what these people do or did to us and re-elect them again and again ad nauseum.
That's why some of this scum has been in DC so long they couldn't find their homestate on a map.
Twenty and thirty years is way too long and I just hope our anger stays around long enough to show them where their state is again. In person, not compliments of a Road Atlas.

[A.S.]

Good post. Exactly right.

[Mr. Sauce]

Right now, the number one Google search is: "Who voted for health care bill".

[Dan Riehl]

Some of you folks seem to be under the impression that you can run a tradional conservative R and win in Cao's district. Good luck with that. He may as well resign now and give it over to an even more liberal Democrat. And for the grumbler above, we have a democratic system in the form of a Republic. Suggesting I can't use democracy as I did above is BS. Get over your pet peeve, or shove it. I don't care which. America is a Republiic, our system is democratic. I was not describing our nation, but our electoral system. Evidently your Republic's educational system didn't do you enough good.

[Drider]

Well Joe, Fox also had a bit on awhile ago on "What could the motive possibly be" on the Fort Hood shooter, the guy said it with such conviction and sincerity that I almost pondered the question myself.

As far as the typical thinking on the re-election of these Marxists that we have in office, we are in unusual times and the solution will not be people parsing the same old lip service from the days of yore..................It will be a bloodbath with Americans taking back their country as we have never seen in our lifetimes.

[Bob]

"Cao escaped from communist tyranny in Vietnam, only to end up voting to impose another form of tyranny in his adopted country."

Note to the clueless: The ONLY reason you're so opposed to universal healthcare is because many of the big corporations don't want it, and they've paid off numerous conservative talking heads and Republican politicians to convince you that it's going to destroy your freedoms -- or some such crap. The Democrats won these recent congressional elections and they won the presidency because lots more Americans wanted them to do what they're doing than wanted what they'd seen from the GOP for much of the previous eight years. People voted for this, and its the right of the party to pursue their healthcare reform agenda. THEY WON. What you call "tyranny" is actually democracy in action. If wing nuts always got to run the show, THAT would be tyranny. But for you sore losers, democracy is only good when it goes your way. THAT's un-American.

[Lala]

Here's the vote list

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2009/roll887.xml

[Drider]

Clue to Bob, the reason'sssssss many people don't want it is because the country can only afford it on the backs of us and our kids and grand kids.

Right now as an example, my son who is 21 is not insured as most kids that age simply because it is an expense that they don't "need" for a service that they won't "use" in the vast,vast,vast majority of the cases albeit your rare catastrophic cases.

And....wait, what am I doing.I'm trying to convince a die hard Communist about how spreading the misery around evenly, so the few pathetic losers who still live in mom's garage at 40 years of age can feel better about himself.
What was I thinking.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Curiously, that right wing hate network, CNN polls that 53% of respondants are opposed to ObieCare.....I didn't bother googling results where the question was asked differently. So I guess "most" Americans do not want what the Cong is selling.

[steve]

i agree that Mr. Cao was elected by the citizens of his district to represent them. And if he was serving in the Louisiana legislature and state of Louisiana decided it wanted socialized health care, so be it. However, as long as the Congress continues the relentless expansion of the scope of the Federal Government, the citizens of all states have an interest it who is elected to each Congressional district. The conundrum for conservatives is how to expand the coalition in the Congress which supports the principles of state's rights and local representation without compromising these same principles in the face of those who support the nationalizing/statist agenda and who seem to be quite comfortable with creating a "parliamentary democracy" run from Washington DC. Nationalizing Congressional elections may yield short-term respite, but concedes the more fundamental argument over the balance between the federal and state governments.

[Bob]

"And....wait, what am I doing.I'm trying to convince a die hard Communist about how spreading the misery around evenly, so the few pathetic losers who still live in mom's garage at 40 years of age can feel better about himself."

Here's how it works, Drider: right wingers have apparently become so convinced that they alone know what's best for the country that they can no longer accept the results of free and fair elections. But they can't just come out and say that only THEY have the right to set the agenda -- even they recognize how extremist that would be -- so they have to pretend that the country is facing a dire threat from the liberals. Since they pretend that the liberals are trying to "destroy our freedoms" or that Obama "hates America," they can justify their own anti-democratic, hateful impulses. It's such a childish and transparent game you're playing. The Democrats are doing what they were elected to do. That doesn't mean that everything they do has to first be tested against the latest Rasmussen GOP-leaning poll. Lots and lots of Americans want healthcare reform. Just because you and other extremist conservatives don't doesn't mean there's anything unfair or "tyrannical" about it. It just means that you lost the election. Deal with it like a grownup.

[Lala]

Cao

"A little more about him, from March 4th.
On Tuesday, in front of the Congressional Asian Pacific American Caucus, Rep. Joseph Cao, the first Vietnamese-American elected to Congress, admitted to being a closet case. A “closet Democrat” that is. His exact words were:

A He says “Don’t tell the Republicans, but I might be a closet Democrat,” said Cao to a round of laughter.”

http://ceciliatrentopines.blogspot.com/2009/11/gop-sell-out-cao-dont-tell-republicans.html

[Philip McDaniel]

Cao should be talked to. If he cannot understand the principles of Democratic and Republican parties then he should be isolated in the Republican party. He should run as a Democrat in the future. And our party leaders need to be more circumspect in recommending candidates.

[Huey]

Heh, he's "principled" when he votes his "conscience" vis a vis federally funded abortion, but it's "democracy" when he votes with his constituents on the abortion-free health care bill.

Sigh...

Man in a bar offers a beautiful woman a million dollars to bed her. She thinks about it for a minute then agrees. He passes her a hundred dollar bill. Shocked, she says: "What kind of girl do you think I am?" He replies, "We've already determined that. We're just dickering on the price."

"Democracy..."

[crosspatch]

I agree with you Dan and have a certain amount of respect for Cao's vote. His district is probably overwhelmingly in favor of the bill. He is sent to Congress to represent his district, not his party. He is one of the FEW members of Congress that seems willing to represent his district's wishes rather than force the wishes of his party on his district.

Should he later run for a statewide office, Cao (pronounced Gao, by the way) has banked some political capital with the people of LA-02 as someone who will represent the people even when it goes against the mainstream thought of his party. That takes backbone. Maybe he will be able to eek out a victory in 2010 but it is more likely he will be hammered in the election and lose by a wide margin. Not because of this vote, but because of the R after his name.

His stance on immigration might also be taken into better context when you look at the Vietnamese immigrant community in Louisiana (of which he is one). He is also, according to his Wikipedia bio, the poorest member of Louisiana's Congressional delegation with a negative net worth.

The more I reflect on it, the more I regret my harsh words for him immediately after the vote. He wasn't elected to represent the Republican Party, he was elected to represent the people of the Second District of Louisiana. If they want the bill, then his "yes" vote was proper and correct.

I have had my fill of patronizing politicians who vote against the wishes of their constituents because they think they know better than the people "what is good for them".

[Rich K]

I wont be too hard on Mr Cao as he is a newbie to American ideals although he does most likely appreciate the freedoms he has now that hes here.I would to his face call him nieve for thinking that this will help those in his community as the bill as written wont pay off so to speak for 5 YEARS. Until then its just taxes and fees and excuses till they get the beast up and running.So he will have at least 3 election cycles to explain to those folks why nothing is "coming to them' NOW. And Ill bet he doesnt survive even the 1st let alone the second cycle when they figure that out.
As for Bob, I would really like to know your thoughts on what exactly you think you WON when all I just said above will be sucked out of your pocket along with all us Losers as you so aptly put it.

[Ad rem]

Dan,

How 'bout jumping down the throats of the resident libtards here with half as much zeal as you do "Hive Mind". Seemed way out of proportion....

[Fred Beloit]

"The ONLY reason you're so opposed to universal healthcare is because many of the big corporations don't want it, and they've paid off numerous conservative talking heads and Republican politicians to convince you that it's going to destroy your freedoms..."

Note to a moonbatic, asshatic, ding-dong: See here is how it happens:

Last Monday the CEO of Coke called me.
"Red", he said...
"My name is Fred, your worship" I said.
"Well, Fred here's what I want. Oh I know you want free health care just like every other greedy thief citizen in the old U S A. But here is what I want you to do. Just get with the message. Oppose this bill."
"Oh thank you for calling, your universehood, I will."

[Huey]

Note:

If all we want in our "representatives" is the ability to vote for that which their constituents want, there is no need for representation.

All we would need is computerized polling and a computer to vote the polled results.

Our "leaders" either have principles or they don't.

It's really that simple.

[Bob in FL]

Huh, that's an interesting theory of government ya got there, Bob. So, when the R's had a majority (with Cheney) in the Senate in 2001-2002, the Dems just went along with everything, right? They didn't obstruct the initial rules vote, holding out for a "power sharing" agreement? They didn't cajole and bribe Jeffords into jumping, in order to obstruct the Republican agenda? When they got shellacked in 2002, the Dems didn't take the hitherto unprecedented step of filibustering judicial nominees, in order to stop the Republican President and 55-seat Republican majority from confirming nominees?

No, Bob, just because the socialists ("This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies." -- Maxine Waters) won an election, does NOT mean that their political opposition has some sort of obligation to sit down, shut up, and ride in the back of the bus. We have every right to fight for our beliefs, with whatever power 40 Senators and 177 Reps gives us -- just like you did.

We also have every right to demand that folks running for office under our banner actually AGREE with us on most major issues. Scozzafava didn't. Cao...is looking pretty iffy.

Tactically, I think Cao's vote was a mistake, if he personally is conservative at all (and not a liberal flying 'R' colors). He was elected as a fluke in a rabidly left-wing district, simply because Jefferson was just too much of an obvious crook ("In his FREEZER!") for the Party of Chris "Friend of Angelou" Dodd ("I have an Irish cottage?") and Charlie "What $500,000? And pay no attention to the Caribbean villa behind the curtain" Rangel to accept. Once Cao has a non-indicted Democrat opponent, Cao is history. So, since he has only one term EVER, he should use it to advance his ideals (in the world where the US is a Republic, and congress critters aren't just mouthpieces for direct democracy)

If the vote on this 1900-page monstrosity, implementing a three trillion dollar government takeover of 1/6 of our economy and putting it under the direct control of Nancy, Teh Won, Reid, and 25,000 DC bureaucrats represents Cao's ideals, then Cao has no place in the Republican Party -- which once was, and is trying once again to become, the party of limited government. If it does not, then Cao should have voted against it -- because in that case his tactical vote will earn him NOTHING from his leftist constituents.

[Bob]

"Well, Fred here's what I want. Oh I know you want free health care just like every other greedy thief citizen in the old U S A. But here is what I want you to do. Just get with the message. Oppose this bill."

Actually, Fred, that's almost literally the way it works in the real world. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce is, of course, a front organization for right wing business interests. Of course that also makes them intensely anti-healthcare-reform. They provide templates to help little people advocate for the interests of big business, even though such advocacy often works against those individuals' best interests. Here's an email template, kindly provided by the Chamber. It starts out:

http://www.uschamber.com/NR/rdonlyres/edygdnumdiv6jpnx7qzew2jpeqkbxwfe5z5nflr7vawhhuiov6o34rjabyjiunzo5jy7rxikbtu4bvazhzlymgz5zgd/SampleHealthCareEmail.doc

"Government Run Health Care? Not If We Have Anything to Say About It...

Dear

The Business Community is fighting hard to ensure that Congress doesn't pass a government-run health plan that will threaten private health care. To be clear, we, , support meaningful health reforms that make quality health care more affordable and accessible, but..."

Of course, organizations from different zones of the political spectrum do this too, but it seems funny to me that regular, rank-and-file Americans who ascribe to right wing politics ALWAYS end up supporting the same initiatives that are supported by big business and the wealthy and powerful. It's always about lower taxes, deregulation, anti-consumer protection, anti-social-security, etc. Strangely, these are causes that really matter most to big business and the very wealthy. Middle-class indiviuals who advocate for these causes not only get little or nothing out of it, they often end up getting screwed. The bit about "small government" really boils down to this: big corporations don't want the little people (through their elected government) being able to tell them what to do. They think they should be able to pollute, engage in anti-competitive business practices, defraud investors, endanger their workers or consumers, etc., without anyone being able to stop them.

Of course, by their reasoning, universal healthcare -- that might cut the profits of some healthcare-related industries and require other business to provide healthcare for their workers -- would be portrayed as (as you put it) "thievery." That's what the big shots like to call it when little folks get an even break.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Of course, organizations from different zones of the political spectrum do this too, but it seems funny to me that regular, rank-and-file Americans who ascribe to right wing politics ALWAYS end up supporting the same initiatives that are supported by big business and the wealthy and powerful."

So what Bob is saying is that business success and wealth accumulation are anti-American.

Go figure.

What makes this particularly hilarious is how Bob shrieks about the "obscene" profits of the health insurance industry, which average about 6 percent and demands that these be capped, but says nothing about the trial lawyer industry, which averages 14-plus percent.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/25/ap-finally-reports-on-insurance-industrys-thin-margins/

The problem here is that Bob is little more than a moocher whose jealousy over his failures, such as his lack of education, his lack of success, and his laziness, are easily manipulated by demagogues and class-warfare addicts like Barack Obama. By playing on the fact that emotional and intellectual children like Bob are incapable of taking responsibility for their own behaviors and situations and blaming it on "the rich", Barack Obama can easily turn those like Bob into his helpless lapdogs.

[Bob]

"We have every right to fight for our beliefs, with whatever power 40 Senators and 177 Reps gives us -- just like you did."

It's worth noting what Harry Reid said a while ago about the relative use of the filibuster by Republicans vs. Democrats:

"In fact, in the first four months of the Bush Administration, when the Senate was controlled by the president’s party and we were in the minority, there wasn’t a single filibuster of a Bush nominee. Not one.

But in the first four months of the Obama Administration, Republicans filibustered eight of his nominees. That means that President Obama faced twice as many filibusters of his nominees in his first four months as President Bush faced in his first four years."

But at least the filibuster is playing within the rules. What I'm referring to is the right wingers' apparent belief that there's something unfair or illegitimate about the Democrats pursuing initiatives like healthcare reform. This is not a "tyranny" as many wing nuts keep saying. Neither Obama nor any other Democrat is a "Marxist," or a "Fascist," and they neither "hate America" nor want to "destroy our freedoms." This is still a democracy, and although right wingers have every right to pursue their agenda as long as they play by the rules, it's wrong to say that this is tyranny, or to make comparisons of something like healthcare reform -- of all things -- with the Dachau death camp or Hitler. The Democrats have every right to do what they're doing -- they were elected specifically to do these kinds of things. Right wingers should keep that in mind and stop wasting their breath claiming that there's someting unfair or dangerous about it. You lost the election; it's not your call. Deal with it.

[Bob]

"The problem here is that Bob is little more than a moocher whose jealousy over his failures, such as his lack of education, his lack of success, and his laziness, are easily manipulated by demagogues and class-warfare addicts like Barack Obama."

NDFBAAB, do you simply have no legitimate basis to disagree with me, so you therefore have to make up these silly, childish things just to have something to say? Doesn't it really say everything about you and nothing about me that you seem to rely so much on these untrue statements about who I am or what I do? Believe me, I couldn't care less what you say about me, because I think it demolishes your own credibility and character way more than it does mine. Whatever. I just think it's awfully weird.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Of course, by their reasoning, universal healthcare -- that might cut the profits of some healthcare-related industries and require other business to provide healthcare for their workers -- would be portrayed as (as you put it) "thievery." That's what the big shots like to call it when little folks get an even break."

What's funny about this is how the paid whore Bob attacks as excessive the 6% profit of health insurance companies, but adamantly opposes any sort of thing that would reduce the 14-plus percent profits of trial lawyers.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/25/ap-finally-reports-on-insurance-industrys-thin-margins/

Also, what we forget is how Bob and his fellow "progressives" whine and cry about how evil businesses are, but then demand that their own shakedown groups and key donors be exempt from the minimum wage requirement or following laws to protect employee safety.

http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB116891896808477346.html

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=050603D

So what we see here is the leftist Bob screaming at and attacking businesses for allegedly doing what it has been proven that he and his fellow leftists fully endorse and support.

And this is what "health care" is really all about for the moocher left -- jealousy and crippling of businesses with laws that these leftists have no intention of following. They scream about the need to raise taxes on everyone else, but refuse to pay them or file honest disclosures, as we see with Bob's hero Rangel.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"This is still a democracy, and although right wingers have every right to pursue their agenda as long as they play by the rules, it's wrong to say that this is tyranny, or to make comparisons of something like healthcare reform -- of all things -- with the Dachau death camp or Hitler"

Ah yes, Bob begins repeating the talking points of his Barack Obama -- who seems to have forgotten how often he, Bob, and the rest of the paid whores of the Obama Party compared our government to Nazis over the past eight years.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/11/06/gibbs-can-you-imagine-if-five-years-ago-protesters-had-compared-our-government-to-hitler/

And don't forget how Barack Obama shrieks that those who oppose him are anti-American.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/10/21/alan-grayson-fox-news-gop-are-the-enemy-of-america-peace-puppies/

[North Dallas Thirty]

"NDFBAAB, do you simply have no legitimate basis to disagree with me, so you therefore have to make up these silly, childish things just to have something to say?"

Actually, it's both; I have plenty of facts, and I also have the evidence of your statements that show you are a moocher whose jealousy over his failures, such as his lack of education, his lack of success, and his laziness, are easily manipulated by demagogues and class-warfare addicts like Barack Obama.

For example, you scream and whine that executives are overpaid and that anyone in the health care industry who makes six figures is a criminal and a thief who is raising the cost of care for poor people so they can get fat checks -- but for some reason, you have nothing to say about this.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OGRiMWFhNWY4MTgzMjI3NjEzNGQwMWFiMTlhYmRhN2Y=

That's because you're not coming up with this independently; you're being manipulated by a liar like Barack Obama into making a fool out of yourself. It almost has reached the level of pity on this side, because you continually demonstrate your lack of education, your lack of intellectual discipline or curiosity, and the ease at which you can be manipulated.

[O!]

Bob, thank you for that additional helping of Journolist/Axelturf talking point spam.

2010.

[Fred Beloit]

Bob attributes this to Reid:
""In fact, in the first four months of the Bush Administration, when the Senate was controlled by the president’s party and we were in the minority, there wasn’t a single filibuster of a Bush nominee. Not one."

Why? Because no one in high office during the Bush administration proposed to replace relatively free-market capitalism with relatively socialist/communist government-controlled industry.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Why? Because no one in high office during the Bush administration proposed to replace relatively free-market capitalism with relatively socialist/communist government-controlled industry."

And also because Bush did not announce his first appellate court nominees until May of 2001, at which point the Obama Party did everything in its power to stall and obstruct.

And also because Reid neglects to mention that he ordered that the vast majority of these nominees never get out of committee.

[Drider]

Some of you made an error, as I almost did and tried to reason with a communist moocher who wants you, your kids and your grand kids to pay form him and his clans way in life.The fact that the bill will crush almost every form of liberty escapes his mind and therefore, he could care less, that is up until the bill is finally defeated and the historic trouncing of those who tried to perpetrate this crime against freedom are ran out of office by the "majority" of Americans that he fantasizes about.

Until that time it is much more productive to talk to "confused" people, if you can find them, more and more most everyone has been pummeled with the reality that Obama doesn't even faintly resemble what he campaigned on and has every intention of changing the Country by destroying it.So find those people who possess logic,reason and honor and keep talking with them.

IMHO of course.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Now watch as we explode the paid whore Bob's head.

http://www.breitbart.tv/flashback-pelosi-says-not-giving-members-three-days-to-read-bill-is-absolute-outrage/

The title says it all.

[Bob]

"Why? Because no one in high office during the Bush administration proposed to replace relatively free-market capitalism with relatively socialist/communist government-controlled industry."

Fred, has this place cornered the market in intellectual dishonesty or have all conservatives everywhere gotten to be as willfully ignorant as you? For you to say that this country is being transformed into a communist government is beyond dumb. It's intentionally uninformed. It's willfully dishonest. Obama and the Democrats have the majority because they whipped the Republicans in the past couple of elections. This is not a one-party state. Since the Democrats won, they get to pursue their agenda. There's nothing wrong with that. Just grow up and accept that -- just the opposite from a communist government -- YOUR side doesn't get to run things all the time. I know dealing with real democracy is hard for intolerant totalitarianists like modern-day wingnuts, but tough luck. Move to Russia and complain to Vladimir Putin about it if you don't like it.

[Bob]

"Until that time it is much more productive to talk to "confused" people, if you can find them, more and more most everyone has been pummeled with the reality that Obama doesn't even faintly resemble what he campaigned on and has every intention of changing the Country by destroying it."

Sure. Obama wants to destroy America. You're another one of those, apparently, who just wants to wallow in bullsh*t. Sure glad you guys are irrelevant right now.

[O!]

Bob, thank you for that additional helping of Journolist/Axelturf talking point spam.

2010.

[Peisistratus]

I love comments like the one from Pasadena Phil and others who suggest that he is a sellout because he crossed party lines.

Just wondering, does that also make Democrats like Travis Childers and Walt Minnick 'sellouts?' Should they be obligated to always vote with their party?

Party label is unfortunately the first thing that people look at but the truth is that why people vote for or against something should go a lot deeper than that. The truth is that most members of congress try to represent the views of their constituents.

And by the way, Phil: I suspect if you chose 435 people out of the NYC phone book then they would reflect New York City, which is to say overwhelmingly liberal, far more so than today's Congress. Those who criticize Mr. Cao (given who his constituents are) are apparently on planet Moron because they believe that all Americans think like the people on their email list, either that or members of congress should not pay attention to what their constituents are for.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"For you to say that this country is being transformed into a communist government is beyond dumb. It's intentionally uninformed. It's willfully dishonest."

Not really, given how Obama and the Obama Party demonize the successful, claim businesses and corporations cause all of the US's problems, and openly state that they are going to take over and turn all companies into government-run organizations.

("This liberal will be about socializing … uh, um. Would be about, basically, taking over, and the government running all of your companies." -- Maxine Waters)

Meanwhile, as for the one-party state, we already have an example of how the Obama Justice Department states flatly that all black people will vote for the Obama Party or else.

http://federalreview.com/wp/?p=114

We also have how the Obama Party supports those who attack and try to prevent those who don't support the Obama Party from voting.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203550604574361071968458430.html

Or how the Obama Party buys and manipulates votes.

"The NBC affiliate in Milwaukee has just filmed Democratic campaign workers handing out small amounts of money and free food to residents at a home for the mentally ill in Kenosha after which the patients were shepherded into a separate room and given absentee ballots. One of the Democratic Party workers fled when she saw the NBC camera."

http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110002530

[WAHOO WILLIE]

democracy is two wolves and a sheep decided what's for dinner. Thank goodness we don't live in one.

[Fred Beloit]

Bob say: "For you to say that this country is being transformed into a communist government is beyond dumb. It's intentionally uninformed. It's willfully dishonest."

Was George Bush Hitler?
Hmmm
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-communist-mentor/
Hmmm
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/group/MarxistsSocialistsCommunistsforObama
Hmmm
"Obama is completely at home with communists, but is ironically being attacked by the nation’s far Left for not fulfilling their dream of the complete transformation of the nation from capitalism to socialism fast enough."
http://factsnotfantasy.blogspot.com/2009/09/obamas-communists.html

If it quacks as it waddles along like a duck, if it's momma was a duck, it's papa was a duck, it's mentor was a duck, a few czars are ducks...maybe it's a duck, Bob.
Does Obama have a party card in his pocket? Probably not. But don't say the thought he is heavily influenced by communists is intentionally uninformed nor willfully dishonest. Those are the characteristics of the Bush haters, including your friend Obama, who can't make a speech without condemning capitalist Bush.