You Started It, No You Did

It isn't as if this was unexpected from Washington Monthly, I imagine soon the rest will be joining in. Then the Right will point their fingers back at them. It's just politics as usual, folks. If nothing else, that may be at least one reason  why Kennedy was such a drunk. ;)

PREDICTING POLITICIZATION.... It looks like word went out yesterday about what leading conservative voices should say about Ted Kennedy's death: complain about the memorial service that hasn't happened yet.

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[JustOneMan]

Odd...i turned on MSNBC yesterday morning and all the talking heads were wearing jackets and ties.... same this am!

Pretty strange looking I was used to seeing them in their "Obama Hope" T-shirts every morning!

[Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O]

Has anyone in the marvelous media interviewed any of Mary Jo's relatives?

That was the girl that Teddy murdered. I mean, with all the attention on Gary Condit and all that, and Mark Foley, I would just assume someone in the media interviewed someone in the Kopechne family about her murder at the hands of the rich, privileged Teddy Kennedy.

Maybe they sympathize with Teddy, ya never know, maybe they too, like the liberals, view her death as a human sacrifice for the greater good, or as nothing at all.

Maybe the Bush twins are drinking, maybe the great media can do a story on that.

[Mary]

I think Mrs Kopechne died this past Spring. I think also that they were paid to keep their mouths shut. Also the Boiler Room girls were also paid to zip their lips.
If you want to know what really happened surrounding that night read "Senatorial Privilege" .......Eye opening account!

[Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O]

I wonder what it would e like to be trapped in a car filling with water and only have a small air pocket to breathe air from, then as you wait and wait and wait for help, your breathing slowly gets to the point where it is harder and harder to get any nourishing oxygen. Imagine how that would feel, I bet it was terrible for her to die like that.

Trying all she could to get one last breath of air, and eventually finding that there was no more oxygen left in her little pocket, after two hours.

Wow, isn't it kinda cruel what Teddy did?

[Martin Glover]

Who wrote the Letter 2 change the law? We know it wasn't him.

[mark l.]

far be it from me to stop the libs from pretending this guy was "the greatest democrat, evah..."

if fat, drunk, stupid, and irresponsible are the hallmarks of achieving fame within the democratic party, ted left shoes that will be impossible to fill.

it is one thing to mitigate his past misdeeds, with his "triumphs"-(whatever they were), but to feel insult having them mentioned, would suggest skin made of paper machette.

if nixon were beatified to this degree, or receiving even half the amount of gloss that ted is getting, one wonders how quickly his face would be carved on mt rushmore.

[Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O]

The ABC radio news propaganda break had an obit for Novak. The first fucking sentence was derogatory.

It's like there is a central hive that spits out propaganda waves, sorta like in They Live...

[James]

The continued fixation here on horrible death says all I need to know about the content of the character of the authors.

The man is dead. What more do you want?

Oh that's right. You're not happy unless you're b*tching up a storm about SOMETHING. Nothing wrong with that. Happiness appears in the Preamble, and properly so. Your free choice to fixate on death and the cults that foster them.

But it will help keep conservatives in the wilderness for decades because no one is going to elect the crazy bitterness I've read here the last few days.

It is impossible not to politicize this death. He served for 46 years. He was politics, of the best sort when he advocated (and often) for people who did not have means. HCR will pass.

[Lala]

He advocated killing babies.

[Rob Crawford]

"He served for 46 years."

That alone should make you sick.

"He was politics, of the best sort when he advocated (and often) for people who did not have means."

Yes -- he was a multi-millionaire who spent his career confiscating the wealth of those less fortunate them himself, so he could spend it on vanity projects intended to make himself look magnanimous.

Kennedy was the poster child for all that's wrong with our government.

[James]

Lala writes, "He advocated killing babies."

Hysteria. And none of your business.

Now, I know it drives conservatives up a tree -- esp. the men folk -- that women are invested with these actual life and death choices (as opposed to the made-up ones brought on by, say, crusader wars -- how many Iraqi babies were killed, the ones that women chose to bear? Don't hear much screaming about that here). Women of scripture -- and until Suffrage, really -- were property, and property does not make such decisions.

Except this choice can never be taken away. Our laws acknowledge this truth. They also acknowledge that it's no one else's business, not even a doctor, if she so chooses.

I invite you to butt out.

[mark l.]

"The man is dead. What more do you want?"
truth?

"He advocated killing babies."
actually he was against it, before he was for it.

[Here was his take on abortion in 1971: “Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized - the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grow old.”]

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/columnists/view.bg?articleid=1193617

[James]

"Kennedy was the poster child for all that's wrong with our government."

Hmmm....from what I read here daily, one could replace "Kennedy" for "The government."

You do realize you are going to get a WHOLE LOT MORE of Kennedy's kind of govt.? Poor people might actually get the same care Kennedy himself received. Unspeakable!

I am unmoved by the money and privilege argument. You deride that to which you aspire and it's downright confusing. The (now deceased) American Dream, remember? Always more profit? Riches aren't greed? You will need govt in your dotage unless you are a zillionaire. Try to show some respect.

[Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O]

"You're not happy unless you're b*tching up a storm about SOMETHING."

LOL, so ridiculous, doncha think! "Trig Palin isn't Sarah's child"?

"He was politics, of the best sort when he advocated (and often) for people who did not have means."

Yes, like the USSR.

[Philip McDaniel]

His passing should be duly noted, but with no fan-fare, no eulogies. Suffice it to say he beat the system for the manslaughter of Mary Jo Kopechne, drunk driving on a suspended license and leaving the scene while Mary Jo was trapped alive and dying. He even beat a mandatory 2 year prison term. This was not a famous senator...this was a disgraceful scion of a questionable Massachusetts family.

[Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O]

He murdered someone. He murdered someone, in a revolting way, a sick, sick, way.

But Laura Bush, Laura Bush...

[mark l.]

"You do realize you are going to get a WHOLE LOT MORE of Kennedy's kind of govt.?"

every time I see that 9 trillion dollar debt forecast.

govt by ponzi, that is is his legacy.

[James]

Estemeed Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Biden-Miller, M.D., D.O, I am afraid the presentation of facts will not avail you here, though I hardly discourage you from its vigorous pursuit.

Cherry-picking is the sport today, yesterday, day before that, last week, during the ENTIRETY of the previous criminal enterprise posing as a presidency....did anyone here love Tricky Dick? His crimes are so petty now.

[mark l.]

kennedy advocated every liberal cause, without a means of paying for it.

"Poor people might actually get the same care Kennedy himself received."

let me give you a little factoid of world history. when govts suffer from inflation, devalaution of currency, and public debt, the ones who suffer the most are always the poor.

invoking the plight of the 'relatively' poor americans, while simulataneously destroying the economy(NOT govt) which provides for them is a noble cause? if you cared about this country, you'd be well advised to take care of your economy and not your govt.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Poor people might actually get the same care Kennedy himself received. Unspeakable!"

Actually, they won't, because Kennedy and his fellow leftists in Congress demanded that they be exempt from the rules that they intend to impose on poor people.

"You do realize you are going to get a WHOLE LOT MORE of Kennedy's kind of govt.?"

Oh certainly; with the way the Black Kennedy is tanking, we're going to get a lot more screaming rhetoric about how anyone who opposes the Black Kennedy agenda is a racist, back-alley abortion supporter, hater of poor people, yada yada yada. In fact, Black Kennedy and his syncophants are already screaming that the members of their own party who disagree with them are brain dead.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ABB88O1&show_article=1

Is it going to be effective? Yes -- at driving them out of office.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Hysteria. And none of your business.

Now, I know it drives conservatives up a tree -- esp. the men folk -- that women are invested with these actual life and death choices (as opposed to the made-up ones brought on by, say, crusader wars -- how many Iraqi babies were killed, the ones that women chose to bear? Don't hear much screaming about that here). Women of scripture -- and until Suffrage, really -- were property, and property does not make such decisions."

Actually, abortion is only necessary if you think women are such helpless, idiotic, and insatiable creatures that they can't control their urges or stop themselves from having promiscuous sex.

Then again, given Bill Clinton and the Kennedy family record, it shouldn't surprise anyone that that attitude is incorporated into the Obama Party DNA.

[James]

"Is it going to be effective? Yes -- at driving them out of office."

HCR + 1 net new job = 2 terms. And the political capital he will earn from HCR he will spend in a way to make your teeth curl.

Perhaps if the GOP were not in such a state of grand-mal hissy conniption fit, they might put forward proposals. The country would benefit from good faith participation. The HCR Refusal was the Last Try. In August, the conservatives went from zero to Nazi in appreciably less than 4 seconds, and now there are no more arguments worth listening to. It guarantees a shut-out come Sept. when Congress returns to actually, you know, vote?

Black Kennedy is several moves ahead of you at all times. Best not to forget that.

(Black Kennedy....love it! I am writing a song as we speak! Thanks for the inspiration!)

[Ad rem]

Hey.....I just heard that Teddy left ALL his money to charity! (....in Bizarro World!!!)

[Ad rem]

Even Gallop has him down to 50% today.....oh, and James....they all ready wrote your song. It's called "Free Fallin".

[James]

North Dallas Thirty writes, "Actually, abortion is only necessary if you think women are such helpless, idiotic, and insatiable creatures that they can't control their urges or stop themselves from having promiscuous sex."

None of these behaviors are prevented by law emanating from our Constitution. Your distorted opinions, however, are guranteed by the First Amendment. To a point, of course.

Nor do these behaviors take away the choice that can never be taken away, not by all the fuming in the galaxy. You lump behavior without learning individual circumstance, and this doesn't take away her choice, either.

[North Dallas Thirty]

HCR + 1 net new job = 2 terms. And the political capital he will earn from HCR he will spend in a way to make your teeth curl.

Or, as is actually happening, he's desperately trying to wave an old fat corpse to get HCR to even be considered, much less happen.

Black Kennedy is several moves ahead of you at all times. Best not to forget that.

Yes, that's what we were told when he rammed through the "stimulus" bill, claimed that the deficit would "only" be x trillion, that unemployment would "only" be x percent, and so forth.

All of Obama's promises come with an expiration date. His "several moves ahead" simply consist of lying.

And I'm glad you like Black Kennedy. It's singularly appropriate; an incompetent, womanizing, man-child with no qualifications who uses criminally-gotten money to lie, cheat, and steal his way into high office.

[mark l.]

the one thing that dems just don't seem to know, which might help them design policy.

depression=everyone loses money.

inflation=rich get much richer, poor get much poorer.

if you own assets which appreciate/inflate, and have money which can be lent to the poor at 10%+ return, the seperation btween wealth and poverty explodes. Consumer goods inflate in price, further crushing the poor. Bond holders/trust funders? sorry paul krugman, but you net wealth gets dropkicked for holding bonds.

9 trillion...how long before we just start printing up the money to pay the debt? a year, maybe three...

democrats are fighting for the poor?
they are going to crush them, in their effort to help them(selves).

[North Dallas Thirty]

None of these behaviors are prevented by law emanating from our Constitution.

Absolutely. But when said behavior results in the creation of another life, that life also has rights under our Constitution. Your argument is that a woman's unwillingness to control her own body should qualify as license to murder another human being.

"You lump behavior without learning individual circumstance, and this doesn't take away her choice, either."

Certainly it does. We don't let women "choose" to murder babies because they no longer want them around. Furthermore, we force men to pay for children even if they didn't want them. All you're doing is simply demonstrating how liberals rationalize infanticide.

[North Dallas Thirty]

And we're missing the latest from the Black Kennedy and his puppet James.

"Three basic assertions have been made. They are as follows:

1. There is a chance for the first time in 25 years that African Americans could lose the Mayoral seat in Atlanta, Georgia, especially if there is a run-off;

2. Time is of the essence because in order to defeat a Norwood (white) mayoral candidacy we have to get out now and work in a manner to defeat her without a runoff, and the key is a significant Black turnout in the general election;

3. The reasons support should be given to Lisa Borders is: 1) she is the best black candidate in the race who has a chance to win the election because she can attract downtown white support; and 2) based on polling data drawn from a host of sources between May 2009 and July 2009, the numbers suggest Borders is growing stronger as we move closer to the election, while the most recent polling data suggests that the other black candidates are falling further behind over the same period."

http://blogs.ajc.com/political-insider-jim-galloway/2009/08/27/the-memo-about-to-shake-the-atlanta-mayors-race/

Voting on the basis of skin color. Just what the Black Kennedy and his puppet James support. Just what Ted Kennedy demanded. The Obama Party, folks, where skin color automatically equals competence.

[James]

North Dallas Thirty, with typical hysterical helplessness, nonetheless felt it important to say, " an incompetent, womanizing, man-child with no qualifications who uses criminally-gotten money to lie, cheat, and steal his way into high office."

I would accept this of practically anyone named Kennedy. Teddy was the only one who actually went looking for atonement. I'm very sorry for you that you do not see it; it's an important lesson. Redemption, I thought, was an American value. No more.

But Obama? Please. You are gasping while grasping. Womanizing? You want permission to be singularly ugly in your commentary, which is protected speech, so I fully your expression of it. But the content is merely childish unsupported lashing out.

As for claims of "infanticide," more hysteria. No woman has ever been charged thus. You are free to do it under your made-up laws, but not under U.S. law. Her choice remains hers.

[Ad rem]

James,

Google VERA BAKER.......

[James]

Ad rem suggests, "Google VERA BAKER......."

Well, there's nothing later than mid-October, 2008 on the first page. It was campaign drivel that evaporated due to lack of evidence.

Would you care to repeat another smear, which is protected speech (to a point), so I fully support your expression of it?

Look, all I read is ANY excuse to defame this man. I do not get it. You want him to fail = we all fail and this not seem to register above the screech and howl. I hope there is no illusion, then, as to why the GOP contracts to some terribly bitter roots.

[daveinboca]

James is the beneficiary of the inherent politeness and fair play of the right, compared to the commissar-nomenklatura cabal like Benen, who doesn't let me post, unlike Drum before him. Oh yeah, and Newshoggers threw me off after I displayed proof that their lying allegations about the Syrian atomic facility not being an Iranian cat's-paw was simply anti-Israeli, pro-American enemy, NORMAL left-wing lies. And a few others, where I was disinvited despite being impeccably polite and MADDENINGLY ACCURATE in exposing left-wing lies.

James seems to be one of those left-wing liars, but continues to spin his wobbly stuff with impunity.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Teddy was the only one who actually went looking for atonement."

LOL....if by "atonement", you mean continuing to lie, cheat, and steal while mouthing platitudes about "the poor" and meanwhile pursuing policies that increased their helplessness, dependence, and taxation.

Do you know what Teddy Kennedy supported? He supported taxes being raised on working Massachusetts families so that Barack Obama's criminal aunt, a person under a deportation order and in complete violation of the law, could receive subsidized housing, free health care, a no-show government job, and welfare checks so fat that she could afford to make illegal contributions to Obama's election campaign.

That can be called many things, but redemption and atonement are not among them.

"You want permission to be singularly ugly in your commentary, which is protected speech, so I fully your expression of it. But the content is merely childish unsupported lashing out."

It is to laugh.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/21/us/politics/21mccain.html?_r=1

Given that you fully endorse and support such "childish unsupported lashing out" when done by Black Kennedy and the Obama Party, are we expected to believe that your objection is to the accusation, or to the target?

You want him to fail = we all fail and this not seem to register above the screech and howl.

Hardly. Barack Obama is not the country, nor does the country live or die based on the lack of competence of Barack Obama. However, Barack Obama's incompetence, mendacity, and racist ideology carry the potential to significantly wound and damage the country, which is why they need to be opposed.

Each generation seems to need a reminder of how socialism destroys and wrecks an economy. Before it was Carter, now it is apparently Obama.

[James]

North Dallas Thirty reflects, "However, Barack Obama's incompetence, mendacity, and racist ideology carry the potential to significantly wound and damage the country, which is why they need to be opposed."

Well at least this is a position to take. But I do not see someone intent on wounding or damaging anything. I see someone who is trying to rebuild the smoking ruin left to him by the previous criminal enterprise posing as a presidency. And I give him a full 365.25 days in office to assess the progress, because while the 'net turns in seconds, human relationships, esp. political ones, do not.

We must remember the average age of the Senate, being 109, means "twitter" is what they do with each other after the last tax cut for the rich passed.

My commentary will be as critical if I do not see prospect for jobs, which is the life-blood of the country. We have to have them. And if Obama cannot create them, we're hosed. We cannot afford to wait until the "next one."

But I predict he'll pull it off.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"My commentary will be as critical if I do not see prospect for jobs, which is the life-blood of the country."

No worries; last year, you promised to be just as critical over spending, this spring you promised to be just as critical over deficits, this summer you promised to be just as critical over increasing health care costs, and so forth.

You ape your Black Kennedy; every promise has an expiration date, and that date falls right before you would actually have to keep it. When December 31 rolls around, the ghost of George Bush will be once again resurrected, as you're doing now, to explain why things are so bad.

The problem is that people are catching on -- and Obama doesn't have the option that he's had before, which is simply to try to change jobs. Hence the wild accusations he's making now that anyone who dares oppose him is "brain dead".

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9ABB88O1&show_article=1

[Mike2Cents]

James -
Maybe it'll be a little longer to see what the economic policy results of a 4 yr or 8 yr Obama administration.

From Krugman (egad!) writing about the "failure" of "Reaganomics" in the NYTimes (yikes!):
'To be sure, the wealthy benefited enormously: the real incomes of the top .01 percent of Americans rose sevenfold between 1980 and 2007. But the real income of the median family rose only 22 percent, less than a third its growth over the previous 27 years.'

True? Is he making it up? And if he isn't, well....facts are indeed a stubborn thing.

[Fishner]

"True? Is he making it up?"

Smart money answers no, and yes, respectively.

"And if he isn't, well..."

He is. But deceit doesn't seem to bother you when it reinforces your worldview.

The fishy disinformation that streams out of your side of the aisle is appalling.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Jamey is back with more wisdom: "You're not happy unless you're b*tching up a storm about SOMETHING." Geeze I love watching thier faces twist as they taste thier own medicine.

"....... no one is going to elect the crazy bitterness I've read here the last few days." Probably true considering they elected the crazy bitterness we heard for the last eight years.

Turnabout is fair play an I'm having a blast watching you people get slapped with the same smelly fish you tossed at the right for flipping ages!!!! Life IS good...

CHAINS WE CAN BELIEVE IN!

[Fishner]

Mike2Cents, if you have any evidence to support the claim by Krugman that you introduced, feel free to offer it.

Hint: You don't. There isn't. You're just pushing fishy disinformation.

[Philip McDaniel]

"You want him to fail = we all fail"
LOL! what are you smoking?
The correct comment is: 'You want him to succeed = we all fail.'

If he fails -- and I hope to God he and his nutter minions do -- our country will survive and rebuild.