What Is Jesse Griffin Telling Us?

I was introduced to Forensic Thoughtprint analysis by Dr. Andrew Hodges during the Natalee Holloway case. We discussed the technique at length and I found it so fascinating, I've never forgotten it. I found several recent instances of Jesse Griffin's writings so interesting, I thought I'd loosely examine them with the technique as sort of an experiment just for fun. I'm not suggesting you read too much into it. I'm not a psychiatrist, after all.

Hodges... has developed a forensic profiling technique known as "thoughtprint decoding" that allows criminal investigators to "read between the lines" of verbatim communication.

Hodges' approach differs from other forensic profilers because he analyzes unconscious messages found in written and spoken communications rather than relying solely on the literal translation of such clues often considered key to investigations.

Thoughtprint decoding spots "thought patterns," and Hodges contends perpetrators of crimes are often compelled by their unconscious minds to tell the truth no matter what messages their conscious minds might convey.

Let's look at this example of something Jesse wrote regarding consensual sex:

"And they must be of an age, and in a mental state to make an honest decision to participate. But if those criteria are in place then even if I don't particularly understand or share whatever gets you off, I certainly will not judge your predilections."

Why not just say, of legal age? At what age is someone incapable of being "honest"? Can a five year old be honest and thus fit Jesse Griffin's definition for participating in consensual sex? How about a ten-year-old?  Fifteen? We don't really know based upon his actual words, do we?

And then there's this when he was lying about being outed and why. We've established that the letter didn't really force Griffin to do anything. He had several options via confidential response, none of them would have forced Griffin to make any kind of admission to which he refers, ... you would think. And what has he been resisting telling his blog readers? Sounds like perhaps our Jesse is struggling with something, doesn't it? So, what could it be?

Now Van Flein is forcing me to make an admission that I have resisted addressing for the four plus years I have had this blog.

So thanks to Van Flein you now know my dirty little secret. I am an assistant teacher in a room full of five year old children.

Is there anything dirty about being in a room full of five-year-olds? Not to me. But, assuming you buy the thoughtprint concept, one could speculate that Jesse seems to think that there is, at least in the subconscious part of his mind. Why? Who knows.

But he does immediately go on to tell us he has love and desire for his children. Interesting word choice, if nothing else. Heck, if they were capable of being honest, as per above, who knows where such a deeply expressed love and desire might lead? That's assuming one was wlling to speculate, which I'm not, of course. Just having some fun, as I said.

Understanding my love for my job and my desire to protect my children from a potentially frightening encounter, Van Flein threatened to serve my summons "at the kindergarten where you assist".

And what about this below from a subsequent post when, shocker, he resigned from the same job that was so deeply felt and important to him just a day before ... totally out of the blue. Well, it was just one day after my Troubling Revelations post, not that that had anything to do with it, of course. 

Though in email that night he told me he hadn't worked there since last year. When I wrote back and asked him why he was lying to his readers about it, pretending he was still there and loving it, he said it was to spare Stacy and me from his commenter's wrath, as they might blame it on us and descend.

How compassionate of him. He then said he would tell them tomorrow. Nice to know Jesse's commenters are capable of moving on so fast. They must either live extremely cluttered lives, or practice forgiveness like an enclave of saints. Nice group of people, that.

I think what is truly frightening is how ready some people are to believe that just because you are a male who works with kids you must be a pervert....

The truth is that I have never even been accused of anything inappropriate with a child in my classroom, camp, or home. It has simply never happened.

If it had, believe me I would never have been allowed in a classroom in the ASD.

What never happened? He's never been accused of anything. An absolutely factual statement so far as I know. And, just to be clear, I'm not acusing Jesse Griffin of anything now, either. I'm not encouranging it. And I am unaware of anyone who should be acusing him of anything. Never happened ... nope.

Though, simply for purposes of discussion, I do have to admit, I tried to put myself in the same position Jesse seems to perceive himself of being in now for some reason - being acused, that is.  Though it never happend by anything I've posted ... just to be clear.

So, how might I respond? Hmm. I've never so much as touched a child inappropriately in my life. At least I think that's how I'd respond.

Oh well, just a silly game for some blog fun. I just found it interesting that Jesse didn't really choose to tell us that at that particular time when he could have. Maybe it just slipped his mind. Who knows?

Update: I have to give commenter ad rem his props here. Funniest thing I've seen all day. And we are just having fun here is all, to be clear.

BTW.......Griffin is a QUITTER!!!!!

LMAO!

 

Comments

[oi]

So, how might I respond? Hmm. I've never so much as touched a child inappropriately in my life. At least I think that's how I'd respond.

Ding Ding Ding we have a winner!

It is not so much what they say, it is what they do not say.

[Kitty]

*I have never even been accused of anything inappropriate with a child in my classroom, camp, or home.*

CAMP? Oh dear God, is he a camp counselor, too? Or a scout leader?

...

[Dan Riehl]

He sure does love children.

http://www.hss.state.ak.us/DBH/sq/commreviews/pdf/11.pdf

[Ad rem]

Good grief.....no wonder he's so defensive regarding the "perversion" angle. The guy's insinuated himself into the Alaska Child Services (ACS)...of course, a non-profit program.

"ACS provides residential services for up to 42 young people, ages 6 to 12, in six cottages. However, this review focus on its community programs, that serve children from age 3 to age 18 or, in the case of Alaska Youth Initiative (AYI) services, to age twenty-two. The services provided are Family Treatment Homes, Family Skill Development, Case Management, Group Skill Development, Individual Skill Development and Crisis Intervention."

How many countless youngsters have been exposed to Mr. Griffin? Who promoted his admittance into this agency? Are there others involved with this agency that share his views? The agency claims they have the capacity to serve 80 youngsters, however, they are currently serving 59. Dan, I think you've just seen the tip of the Griffin iceberg.

[BogusDems]

I have taken interrogation and interview courses. One of the things we were taught was when someone uses a lot of adverbs it means they are hiding something. His use of truly and simply would be cause to continue questioning. Plus he says he has never been accused, not I have never done it. He is looking for ways to move the truth somewhere else. Now, I am not an expert, there are actually people who get degrees in finding truth in interviews, but from what training I have had he is textbook for someone who an investigator would be skeptical of.

[Alex]

This is interesting in a theoretical way, however I find something like "thought print" analysis on its face extremely subjective and therefore unreliable. I am not trained in the field myself, but I tend towards some more established, empirical research that can be treated to the same level of scrutiny as other scientific findings.

That being said, still interesting.

[Dantes]

My oh my. No wonder Griffin and his cronies that visit here want everybody to look at more "important" issues. Funny, libs always like to talk about the human side (like rascism) when it suits them.

And there is even more! Serious stuff as one thing that is known that people with sexual obsessive-cumpulsive disorders will continually place themselves in situations where there fanatasies can be satisfied. I'd guess that these people are serial liars as well, and that is an established fact about Griffen.

Maybe Eddie Burke and his friends on the ground in Alaska will look into some of the things being raised and follow up with complaints to the appropriate authorities. No case, no harm. Better safe then sorry however.

[ukuleledave]

I'm a guy. I teach. If I blogged -- even anonymously -- it would need to be G rated. This guy left an easy trail to follow. Any child in that school above the age of 10 could access this guy's adult oriented material with just a little bit of creativity. That's a lotta "smoke." I understand, he wasn't posting porn -- so much as he was "exploring adult topics."

By the way, most people don't think that men who work with kids are perverts, as Griffin wrote. My experience is that most guys who teach are compassionate professionals who are always aware that their behavior must be totally above board... People understand that, and my fellow male teachers don't usually worry about parents/others misinterpreting why they are in the classroom.

Guys who post disgusting stuff online, and link it to his personal myspace account -- now that's a potential perv. Somebody who even uses the phrase "dirty little secret" to discuss his job in an elementary school needs to be checked out.

Of course, we know he's a creep because of the other, non sexual stuff on his blog.

[cindi]

Yes this guy has some under LYING issues for sure

[Badeye]

I read this yesterday on a blog, sorry I can't remember where: The comment was implying that the person that writes the Alaska Report is the former
employee of Gov. Palin that Griffen is referring to when he speaks of his sources. Also, the comment went on to say that this was The Alaksa Report guy's idea because he is shopping a book deal and it would draw attention to his blog and might help him in shopping for a book deal. Do you know if there is any truth to this????

[WBestPresidentEver]

This guy is a pervert. He is a child preditor. You name it and he fits the description of a very sick indiviual.
He needs to be investigated, Big time.

[KJGL]

The Alaska Report hasn't been updated in a few days. Is the guy on vacation or is he just trying to keep a low profile while his bud Griffen is under scrutiny?

[sauerkraut]

wow... you have to come up with pseudo-science to bolster your obsession with gryphen... are you as obsessed with him as he is with Palin? I mean, comeon... you've now stooped to reading things into words and sentences.

Oh, and Wtheworstpresidentever, learn to spell those big words before you try to use them. Try consulting a dictionary; make it your best friend. It will even tell you what those big words actually mean.

[JM Hanes]

Thoughtprint analysis? I bet that's how the Washington Post discovered that the Obama Joker poster is a racist cris de coeur!

What would a forensic analyst make of the fact that "dirty little secret" shows up on your site with an info link? Couldn't happen without your blessing, now could it? The choice of green, with doubly underlined links no less, is surely as significant as it is distracting too! Those proliferating hot spots have a truly bizarre effect on the emphasis in your posts. I bet you're really trying to make it hard to read between your own lines -- even if it means siphoning off all those readers with a compelling interest in kindergarten ads and links to websites which mention the word "blue."

Will I be advertising someone's wares when I post this comment? Or would I actually be sponsoring emblematic come-ons by subconsciously including the keywords which set such wheels in motion? Am I a failure if nothing I write is worth green lining? Does asking that question mean I'm afraid I'm a failure already?

[WBestPresidentEver]

@Posted by: sauerkraut | Thursday, August 06, 2009 at 11:07 PM

Do you eat corn beef and Swiss cheese on Rye with your sauerkraut ?
You idiot. Get a life. I see people misspell words and make typos all the damn time. If I were you and did not have anything better to do with my time than to check peoples spelling errors and criticize them, then you really need to get a damn life you scum bag. (You probably are a pervert as well. I bet you have a picture of Helen Thomas hung on your wall. Bless her heart. (LOL)
Even Dan makes typos and misspells things sometime but, I do have better things to do with my time. We are all human. Maybe you are not! No one is perfect, except maybe you ? JERK ! Stick it where the sun don't shine !

This guy is a pervert. He is a child predator. You name it and he fits the description of a very sick individual. He needs to be investigated, Big time.

[Rich K]

Ya know Dan, this concept works pretty good. It seems from examining the method of speaking in the 11:07 post above me that its the ever so loved slide/mary/now sauerkraut. I could be wrong but Fun stuff indeed!!
So, Whats coming down the pike next on the RWV parade of Fun ?

[Logan 6]

"I mean, comeon."

Surely you mean "come on". "comeon" is not a word , sauerkraut..so before you make snarky comments about other people's spelling mistakes you should try to fix your own. Dumb leftist.

[Dantes]

" comeon (sic) ... you've now stooped to reading things into words and sentences"

Words mean something, according to your Affirmative Action made hero. Though someone should tell him that he can't break promises every time he opens his "Joker's" mouth ... he's rapidly looking like the shifty liar the polls are suggesting.

And surely you can do better then use half of your post to nitpick on spelling errors. You're a space waster ... hence a waste of space IMO.

[Shirley Simpson]

Unbelievable. Seek help, both emotional and legal. I've done a "Thoughtprint Analysis" on your obsessive blog posts, and despite such transparently fake statements such as "And, just to be clear, I'm not acusing Jesse Griffin of anything now, either. I'm not encouranging it," it's absolutely clear to any reasonable person that you are, in fact, engaged in outright character assassination.

Mrs. Palin denied the marriage rumors. She never bothered suing publications that have alleged she had an AFFAIR, for heaven's sake. She did not address the rumors of pressuring prosecutors or Todd threatening Levi. Is she that helpless that she needs your "help"? As a Christian, does she approve of your actions here?

I assume you've thoroughly checked out the libel and defamation laws. From Expert Law:

Typically, the elements of a cause of action for defamation include:

1. A false and defamatory statement concerning another;
2. The unprivileged publication of the statement to a third party (that is, somebody other than the person defamed by the statement);
3. If the defamatory matter is of public concern, fault amounting at least to negligence on the part of the publisher; and
4. Damage to the plaintiff.

In the context of defamation law, a statement is "published" when it is made to the third party. That term does not mean that the statement has to be in print.

Damages are typically to the reputation of the plaintiff, but depending upon the laws of the jurisdiction it may be enough to establish mental anguish.

Most jurisdictions also recognize "per se" defamation, where the allegations are presumed to cause damage to the plaintiff. Typically, the following may constitute defamation per se:

* Attacks on a person's professional character or standing;
* Allegations that an unmarried person is unchaste;
* Allegations that a person is infected with a sexually transmitted disease;
* Allegations that the person has committed a crime of moral turpitude;

Your best defense if someone brings action against you (and I think he's got a pretty credible case) is the truth. I don't know anyone who considers divorce to be so shameful that it would damage a person's professional character or standing. Guess you're 100 percent positive that you've got the goods on Griffin.

rs. Palin is plenty powerful and seems to be enjoying her time in Manhattan nailing down her book deal. I'm pretty sure she's not saying to herself, "Thank goodness that Riehl fellow is protecting me from those mean people out there."

Whether this ever reaches court or not, though, I wonder whether some part of you recognizes your despicable behavior. If you're a religious person, I sincerely wonder how you'll explain this behavior to your maker when the time comes.

[tmi3rd]

Yawn. Here we go with another leftist assuming that everyone who reads this is a born-again evangelical...

BTW, Shirley, if you'd bother to research the backgrounds of the people you're attacking and the guy you're defending, ask yourself honestly whose side you'd rather be on.

Despicable? Pot, meet kettle.

[rdwngnut]

Shirley advocates kindergarten teaching assistants writing about masturbation and teaching boys how to suck c*ck and wear dresses. Nice to know how the left thinks.

[Dantes]

Shirls, ya jus dont get it, do ya?

Your little sicko threatens everybody with legal action. It's part of his MO, together with lying, whining, begging and whinging. And THAT is what we know for certain.

HE HAS SKELETONS.

Nobody has anything to fear from Graffiti Griffin, comprehendo?

Next time you talk to your friend ask him whether he will miss never being able to teach children again, please. Report back.

[Dantes]

Shirls, wouldn't it be funny if your friend did take court action against someone/anyone ... and then Palin herself undertook legal action against Griffin.

Everything you wrote supports Palin in a legal action against Griffen for the original abhorrent and erroneous defamation. BTW, he also gloatingly confessed he did this to cause some "controversy". Nice guy! Stupid remark, it will go against him in a court of law.

Appears like he may be in the courts for some time.

[V the K]

This Jessie dude got his 15 minutes of fame by spreading insinuations and lies about Sarah Palin and her family. Like I said, Karma's a bitch.

[Mike2Cents]

Awesome!
This is the jump-the-shark-moment.
This post almost reads like a satirical mocking of DR's JG obsession.
'Thoughprint Analysis'...performed by DR...wow.
Ok, this is now officially incredibly entertaining.
Assignment:
What does his choice of clothing say?
What about the way he's smiling on the pics DR has posted?
Does anyone know if he owns a pet? What kind? This can tell you a lot about a person.
And come on...'Jesse Griffin'...scramble some of those letters around...very revealing.

[KJGL]

Shirley, I think Dan posted that he's already had legal advice. And now Bill O'Reilly's picked up Jesse's scent. Do you really think the O'Reilly segment on Jesse was a one-hit wonder, and that O'R's researchers aren't following Jesse's (and possibly his fellow Alaskan bloggers')trail even as we post? Fox in the chicken coop, feathers gonna fly.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Mrs. Palin denied the marriage rumors. She never bothered suing publications that have alleged she had an AFFAIR, for heaven's sake. She did not address the rumors of pressuring prosecutors or Todd threatening Levi.

I love how the flip-flopping desperate liberals like Shirley demonstrate their hypocrisy on this one.

If Palin doesn't deny things, they're true. If Palin does deny things, they're true. The only thing that bigot and hatemonger Shirley knows is that everything said about Sarah Palin that attacks and smears her is true.

And then she goes into full-bore Alinsky idiot mode with this:

"As a Christian, does she approve of your actions here?

If you're a religious person, I sincerely wonder how you'll explain this behavior to your maker when the time comes."

When you consider the behavior that Shirley considers upright and moral, such as her telling lies about Sarah Palin and her attacking Sarah Palin's family, what you figure out very quickly is that Shirley is a hypocrite.

Alinsky puppets always try to make others live up to their own rules. What needs to be pointed out is how Alinsky puppets like Shirley follow a set of rules in which talking about sexualizing young children, making misogynist comments about women, and spreading lies about other people are normal, moral, and acceptable behaviors.

Does Barack Obama support you telling lies about Palin, Shirley? Does Barack Obama support your sexualizing children?

[Hyman Roth]

Mike0sense,

Shouldn't you be on a bus with the other 0baminions, heading to a townhall meeting to put the smackdown on those pesky 0bamacare opponents?

[Ad rem]

Believe me, Mike and Shirley are ridin' on the "little bus"......;-)

[Elmo]

Conceptually ... I'm down with the concept of thoughtprint analysis. It's what drives my absolutely unshakable belief. That Obama's crimes WILL be exposed. Long before 2012 [march fir us froggie (I said march b*tch!)].

I haven't peeked past mention, bout Leo Donofrio being a poker player. But if da shoe feets, wears it I say.

[Elmo]

"Conceptually ... I'm down with the concept"?

Mebbe time for driver eight to step away from the keyboard (Miller Time sounds good to me).