The Jessie Griffin Story: An Update

Last night I posted this Tweet below. Unfortunately, I must update and I fear people will think I was just playing games, which I never do. One never knows how a story will go due to additional research, or how it will play when released. I can only explain honestly where things are and my expectations going forward.

Spoke w/ Palin Lawyer - AM post. Anti-Palin blogger Gryphen in serious trouble. Must finish research 1st. Check back AM.

I've been up researching all night long as the story took a turn I didn't predict, or expect.  It is difficult to say much more right now, even apart from my being exhausted. It's important that I contact some Alaska sources and the time difference and work schedules, etc, aren't making it easy.

I likely won't sleep until tonight and will work very hard to get it up just as soon as I can today. Thank you for your trust. I assure you there is no game playing involved.

Comments

[Slide]

I can hardly wait

[KingShamus]

Keep up the good world, Dan.

[Kevin H]

The leftist bloggers by spreading their shit around the internet about the Palins have backfired totally. Dan has blogged more than once that he likes Sarah but isn't sure she is the 'one' for 2012. All the leftwingers are doing is drawing more support to Sarah, even from those who are ready to give up on her after her resignation. 'Progressive' Alaskan bloggers know their 15 minutes are about up. They will join the parade of morons leftwingers have given 15 minutes to and than dumped like old trash. That parade includes Yellowcake Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Cindy Shamehan, Richard Clarke and so on.

[Aye Chihuahua]

Anyone want some popcorn?

[Slide]

"All the leftwingers are doing is drawing more support to Sarah"

of course you know none of the data supports that but enjoy the Bizarro world.

Oh, btw, can't wait for the movie about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, how about you?
http://www.csmonitor.com/2009/0731/p10s01-wome.html

[Molon Labe]

Don't get too far in front of the story.

[Lala]

Who cares about a Joe Wilson movie? Why bring it up on here?

[North Dallas Thirty]

Because, Lala, the point is that Slide is desperately trying to defend his fellow Obama shill and paid blogger Gryphen. The more that it comes out that Barack Obama is paying people to spread malicious lies about Sarah Palin, the worse Obama looks; Palin can methodically pick off the libelous idiots like Slide and Gryphen, meanwhile showing people how Obama supports calling black policement Uncle Toms, how Obama supports beating up disabled schoolkids because he disagrees with their parents' politics, and so forth.

[Mary]

Whatever.

No matter what you say or do, this remains:

Sarah Palin is NOT the birth mother of Trig Palin.

Sarah Palin was NOT pregnant in 2008.

Sarah Palin is a LIAR

Sarah Palin is a HYPOCRITE

Sarah Palin is an IGNORAMUS

Sarah Palin is a COWARD

Sarah Palin is a QUITTER

Sarah Palin is a FRAUD.

Suck on that for awhile.

[North Dallas Thirty]

But you must also admit that Slide's attempt to bring up Wilson and Plame reveals even more.

"Oh, btw, can't wait for the movie about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, how about you?"

From Slide's source:

"The film, by the director of "The Bourne Identity" and "Mr. and Mrs. Smith," is meant to be an entertaining and innovative spy movie rather than a faithful account of the episode in recent history it's based on"

In other words, it's fiction.

Also, it stars Sean Penn, who, like Slide and Barack Obama, supported and endorsed Saddam Hussein.

It should be no surprise that Slide wants this movie; it reinforces his leftist beliefs, and he can use it as "proof" that things "really happened that way".

Fortunately, in Slide's world, fantasy always trumps reality.

[breen]

Mr. Riehl, remember that Defamation, Libel Per Se, Libel Per Quod and Dissemination lawsuits are much easier to bring to trial for Private Persons (like Griffin) than Public Persons.

If you're not careful how you go about this it could bite you.

[JustOneMan]

Mary is a three input kinda gal!

[USMC]

Since Slide likes to go off topic, chew on this for awhile:

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
Margaret Sanger (Founder of Planned Parenthood) December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble

I've yet found a progressive that can refute this. Ruth Bader Ginsburg said something similar several weeks ago.

The progressive movement is filled with demonic ideas and promoted by traitors that includes you Slide.

[mark l.]

["Dan... you are obsessed with the Quitta from Wassila. You know that don't you? Perhaps a seven step program can help. "Good afternoon, my name is Dan Riehl, and I'm a Sarah Palin addict"]

Sunday, August 02, 2009 at 01:55 PM

looking at the first post, here...

it would seem, slide, that someone is posing as you, suffering from the very same fixation.

face it dude, you have found your 'anti-christ'. is it because she is a conservative woman, or is it for her ridiculing of the messiah?

[mark l.]

LIAR? third debate, obama promised a "net spending cut"

HYPOCRITE? "I don't have all the facts", but 'let me insinuate racism/profiling'.

IGNORAMUS? "57 states", "I'm on the senate banking committee"?

wow. mirror, mirror on the wall...

[nuke]

Only the most infantile, inconsequential and ignorant people go after the Messenger.

[Rick]

"Sarah Palin is NOT the birth mother of Trig Palin.

Sarah Palin was NOT pregnant in 2008.

Sarah Palin is a LIAR

Sarah Palin is a HYPOCRITE

Sarah Palin is an IGNORAMUS

Sarah Palin is a COWARD

Sarah Palin is a QUITTER

Sarah Palin is a FRAUD."

I had no idea Palin had so much in common with Barack Obama. Maybe she really wasn't qualified for high office, either. Well, more than him, but still.......

Cordially...

[KingShamus]

I like 'Mary'. She's a cool gal because seems to know about as much about female reproductive issues as Andrew Sullivan.

[JustOneMan]

Obama is NOT the birth mother of Trig Palin.

Obama was NOT pregnant in 2008.

Obama is a LIAR

Obama is a HYPOCRITE

Obama is an IGNORAMUS

Obama is a COWARD

Obama is a QUITTER -(hes quit smoking hundreds of times)

Obama is a FRAUD.

[mark l.]

I tend to think there is little hope for slide and his obsession with Palin.

She's going to show up at rallies for 2010, give a prepared speech, much like her gop convention stop, and have to hold ZERO press conferences. The cross pollination of 'tea partiers' and palin supporters is going to provide very impressive enthusiasm, and crowd size.

in truth, I am not the biggest palin supporter, and would hope that the gop could produce something better, but I pretty much accept her as a lesser of two evils, and can't deny that the insanity she provokes in the liberals is rather impressive. If the libs want to chase her down, so be it. It's like watching a five year old poking at hornets nest.

Her speeches?
the dems are in the process of writing it for her, now.

She goes out there, points out that we have 59 trillion in pending/unfunded obligations, and that the democrat party has merely added another 20 trillion to the pending debt. She can honestly say that they have provided no means of paying for it, outside of borrowing it off their kids posterity.

things are always relative, but she is going to look like a genius, in stating the obvious. democrats won't have ANY answer to the debt they are creating, and will, in a relative sense, look like morons.

[Lala]

Oh it was Mary, Mary, proud as any name can be.

Just awful to see that name associated with hatred.

[Bob]

"I likely won't sleep until tonight and will work very hard to get it up just as soon as I can today."

Dan, sorry to go off on a tangent, but I just wanted to mention that if you keep having trouble getting it up, apparently there are pills that might help your condition. Good luck, but since it's already a case of "too much information," please don't let us know one way or the other.

[mark l.]

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0781453.html
some numbers, turnout midterm elections, and presidential...

the only one, in the past 20 years, that broke 38% of eligible turnout was 94.

i'm looking at the protestors that I see now, and there is a ton of grey hair out there, who do not strike me as palin supporters by nature and considering the implications of how badly the elderly, who have govt healthcare, are going to turn on this admin, for giving away something that they had to wait for til they were 65, by taking 'money' away from medicare. It isn't like the money for medicare ever existed, but even pretending that is there, is not going to assuage the anger in the elderly.

nationalized healthcare doesn't give them anything, that they don't already have, and the polls that show the publics opinion of the decline in services are devastating.

mary and slide are helping sow the ground from which palin will flourish. the house of reps will fall, nancy will be deposed, and obama will become a lame duck, for his final six(or possibly 2) years in office. Do I want a palin/obama mathcup in 2012? not really.

do I want to see jindal and obama discussing economics, in a debate format in 2012? it is a wonderful dream. palin's weakness in 2008 was mccain's age, but a 'young' bobby jindal solves the problem. obama also benefitted from the pretense of being a moderate, supported by a fawning press. 2012 is a chance to see how obama can run on a platform of 'deeds', without the power of his 'words'.

as I have said before,

I smell fear.

[Lisa Graas]

I entered the comment thread hoping to find a bit of somewhat mature political commentary. Instead I find a completely unsubstantiated charge that Jessie Griffin is on the Obama payroll and someone doing nothing but calling Sarah Palin horrible names without anything to back it up.

Do your mothers know your online?

[North Dallas Thirty]

You'll have to excuse Bob. He's upset about the fact that a) video has arrived with Obama plainly telling us that his goal is to eliminate private health insurance in this country and b) budget numbers have arrived showing us that tax receipts have cratered while Obama has quadrupled spending.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/08/02/quote-of-the-day-544/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_plummeting_taxes

[Ad rem]

Mary, Mary, quite contrary,
How does you garden grow?
With shrieking yells, psychotic spells,
And petty rants dredged from below.

[mark l.]

would have gone with the andrew dice clay version of "mary, mary..."

but the ad rem one works.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Ah, Slide; fortunately, I am aware of Lisa Graas's blog and her track record, and simply invite her to review what I've written here and elsewhere and make up her own mind about me.

Your attempt to ingratiate yourself with her and smear me is most impressive; however, I believe that you have other posts that make far more evident your position on Sarah Palin.

"What a self-centered piece of dog excrement this woman is.

Posted by: Slide | Thursday, July 09, 2009 at 01:59 PM"

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/07/sarah-palin-tweet-hmm.html?cid=6a00d83451c1db69e2011570f1d9fe970c#comment-6a00d83451c1db69e2011570f1d9fe970c

Now Slide, we're curious; what made you think that you could lie to Lisa when the evidence is so obvious of your loathing and hatred for Sarah Palin?

[Bob]

"i'm looking at the protestors that I see now, and there is a ton of grey hair out there, who do not strike me as palin supporters by nature and considering the implications of how badly the elderly, who have govt healthcare, are going to turn on this admin, for giving away something that they had to wait for til they were 65, by taking 'money' away from medicare."

What a great example of the incoherency of right wing arguments about healthcare. First, the above statement is a tacit admission that "socialized medicine," aka "Medicare," delivers effective healthcare that most recipients prefer to private health insurance:

http://sciencecodex.com/advocacy_group_says_medicare_beneficiaries_prefer_it_over_employersponsored_health_plans

Second, where is the idea coming from that seniors' healthcare is going to be "given away?" Who, other than any of numerous right wingers shilling for the insurance industry, said anything about that? Is it the same source that claims that the new plan will call for euthanizing seniors? There's really something unpatriotic and un-American about political ideologues who make up lies and distortions like these rather than at least limiting themselves to reasonable, good-faith arguments.

[mark l.]

"Oh, btw, can't wait for the movie about Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame, how about you?"

with the following rant:

"oh that must be our resident delusional paranoid otherwise known as [slide]. According to him, there is a huge conspiracy out there with Bush and cheney "outing" everyone that he doesn't particularly agree with. It is rather pathetic I know...

the person, who "legally" revealed plame's name, to novak, who "legally" printed it was richard armitage.

I can't wait for the movie either...nothing I love more than watching libs throw their cash down a hole. It is like they are walking around with a sign, that reads, "tax me, I'm rich AND stupid".

[WBestPresidentEver]

Sarah Palin has more smarts in the tip of her litle finger than all you bashers and trashers of her ever dreamed of having. You who bash and trash her are nothing more than sore losers. Get a damn life and move on.
Crawl under your trailers and cover yourselves. You are a disgrace.

[Lala]

Medicare is a Ponzi scheme, as are all socialist programs. The people on Medicare now are reaping the benefits but the baby boomers are going to get the shaft. More and more doctors are refusing to take on new Medicare patients because the reimbursements are too low, and they will probably get lower if O care is passed.

[mark l.]

some questions that the movie might be able to answer:

why would valerie plame QUIT her job? we know how much slide loves women who are quitters. she walked away from a federal pension, because she was a victim, OR...

the CIA told her that it was evident that she was sharing classifed docs with her hubby, and that if she didn't resign, they would take disciplinary action?

[North Dallas Thirty]

"First, the above statement is a tacit admission that "socialized medicine," aka "Medicare," delivers effective healthcare that most recipients prefer to private health insurance"

Um, no; it's more on the order of, "You've taxed us our entire life for what little we get, and now you're going to take even that away?"

"Second, where is the idea coming from that seniors' healthcare is going to be "given away?" Who, other than any of numerous right wingers shilling for the insurance industry, said anything about that?"

This guy, for starters.

"President Barack Obama Saturday proposed an additional $313 billion in cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and other programs to pay for health care reforms expected to cost about $1 trillion over the next decade."

http://money.cnn.com/2009/06/13/news/economy/Obama_health_Care.reut/index.htm

Now, go ahead, Bob; tell us that Obama lied and that he's never going to cut Medicare to pay for health care reforms. Or insist that it was two months ago and Obama can't be expected to remember that. There has to be a reason that your talking points completely contradict themselves.

Meanwhile, since you've just been exposed as one of those "political ideologues who make up lies and distortions", will you declare yourself unpatriotic and un-American?

[mark l.]

Second, where is the idea coming from that seniors' healthcare is going to be "given away?"

take a pill, instead of a getting a pacemaker/hip replacement, but funded abortions?

I'm sure there are 70 year olds that will be glad to know that their abortions will be funded.

seriously dude, take a look at these meetings where people are freaking out. if you want to ignore the age of the angry, so be it.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/july_2009/just_23_believe_health_care_costs_will_go_down_if_reform_passes_congress

"By 50% to 23% margin, voters expect that passage of the congressional health care reform bill will cause the quality of care to go down."

please pass you healthcare...

[Anon]

1. Medicare is unsustainablen as it is, even Obama admits this, he admits that a key piece of any health care legislation has to be finding a way to contain Medicare, and to a lesser degree Medicaid.

2. The reasons that seniors like Medicare are the same reasons why it is unsustainable, it has no real controls, e.g. Medicare pretty much pays for "whatever"

3. The reason that doctors and hospitals do NOT like Medicare is that the only way the government currently attempts to control costs is by cutting provider reimbursement.

This means that Obama has only a narrow selection of choices:

a) Cut costs by limiting the choice of seniors and the level of care they get through Medicare.

b) Cut costs by further reducing payments to providers

c) Make some sh*t up about cutting costs and punt the real decisions down the road another couple of decades.

*I think that Medicare needs better controls and so I consider the GOP messages designed to get seniors motiviated to oppose the health care plan on the grounds that they will lose the free goodies they currently get as totally political and not helpful on the issues.

*I think the Democratic messages designed to get seniors on board with the health care plan on the grounds that they wont' lose anything but will only get better free goodies to be totally political, patently false and not helpful on the issue.

[Ad rem]

"kisses sweetheart".....

No thanks......God knows where those lips have been!!!

[Lisa Graas]

Slide wrote: "oh that must be our resident delusional paranoid otherwise known as North Dallas 30. According to him, there is a huge conspiracy out there with Obama and Soros funding everyone that he doesn't particularly agree with."

With all due respect, I said the claim was unsubstantiated. I didn't say it was unreasonable.

[Lisa Graas]

Mark, thanks for that link to the turnout numbers. I've been looking for this information. Would love to have a map by district. Incidentally, someone tweeted yesterday that not one county in Oklahoma voted for Obama. Impressive.

[Bob]

"Um, no; it's more on the order of, "You've taxed us our entire life for what little we get, and now you're going to take even that away?""

No, stupid, it means exactly what it says. It means that people on Medicare prefer their coverage to people with private insurance. Can it be any clearer? Could you be any more obtuse? Here -- I'll post the link again so you'll have another chance to work on your reading comprehension.

http://sciencecodex.com/advocacy_group_says_medicare_beneficiaries_prefer_it_over_employersponsored_health_plans

If it's too much trouble to click on the link, here's one of the studies' findings:

"Survey results demonstrate that Medicare beneficiaries are less likely than those with private coverage to report negative experiences with their insurance plans -- including having expensive medical bills for noncovered services, being charged a lot more than insurance would pay, and physicians' not taking their insurance. For example, only 10 percent of elderly Medicare beneficiaries said their physician didn't take their insurance, versus 17 percent of those with ESI and 24 percent of those with individual coverage. This finding suggests that "Medicare's greater purchasing power facilitates choice of physicians and access to care, despite lower provider payment rates," Stuart Guterman, assistant vice president and director of the Commonwealth Fund's Medicare program, pointed out."

Medicare has both a higher rate of efficiency than private insurance (based on its overhead costs per beneficiary) and a higher satisfaction rating compared to private insurance. It's less expensive than private insurance, which is perfectly illustrated by the comparison between traditional Medicare and Medicare Advantage (the latter being the part of the Medicare program administered by private insurance companies).

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/100452.php

No wonder the insurance industry and their shills are so afraid of Medicare.

[Ad rem]

First honest thing you've written......

[Bob]

"1. Medicare is unsustainablen as it is, even Obama admits this, he admits that a key piece of any health care legislation has to be finding a way to contain Medicare, and to a lesser degree Medicaid.

2. The reasons that seniors like Medicare are the same reasons why it is unsustainable, it has no real controls, e.g. Medicare pretty much pays for "whatever"

3. The reason that doctors and hospitals do NOT like Medicare is that the only way the government currently attempts to control costs is by cutting provider reimbursement."

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And yet, anon, your post ignores the fact that our entire healthcare system is unsustainable. Doing nothing is not going to magically make it better. And again, you complain about Medicare having "no real controls," and then in the very next point say that doctors don't like it because it controls costs. Are you even aware of the incoherence of your arguments?

[Lala]

Mickey Kaus asks a good question

How Health Care Reform Commits Suicide
Posted Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:15 PM | By Mickey Kaus

Tip for Dems: If you don't want people to think that subsidized, voluntary end-of-of-life counseling sessions are the camel's nose of an attempt to cut costs by limiting end of life care, then don't put them in a bill the overarching, stated purpose of which is to cut health care costs! ... I mean, did that provision have to be in the bill?

http://www.slate.com/blogs/blogs/kausfiles/default.aspx

[North Dallas Thirty]

Oh, silly puppet Bob, even after having your lies exposed, you come back for more.

Let's look at your "study", shall we?

You need not go any farther than the title.

"Advocacy group says medicare beneficiaries prefer it over employer-sponsored health plans"

Well, of course; among other things, Medicare beneficiaries don't have to pay premiums once they're eligible for coverage, which the vast majority of employer-sponsored health plan beneficiaries do. Furthermore, you're lumping together EVERYONE in employer-sponsored health plans, which range from the bare-bones to the complete Cadillac, the high school grads to the about-to-retire in age, against the single Medicare program -- which is a recipe for statistical distortion based on vastly-different populations.

A better comparison would be to compare those in conventional Medicare to those in Medicare Advantage plans, which are privately-provided plans that cover the Medicare eligible. And what happens then?

Oops.

"Many African-American and Latino seniors prefer Medicare Advantage plans to traditional Medicare. Of those low-income seniors who make just enough to be ineligible for Medicaid but who lack access to employer-sponsored supplemental coverage, 54 percent of Latinos and 38 percent of African-Americans choose Medicare Advantage.

We are strong supporters of Medicare and have consistently fought for full financing. We reject the notion that additional benefits and options provided by Medicare Advantage should be scrapped so that the funds can be used elsewhere."

http://www.lulac.org/advocacy/issues/health/medicareadvantage.html

And you know what makes this funny, silly Bob? Part of the Obama Party's rhetoric is that Medicare has to "change" from paying by the procedure to what's called a "capitated" model, or a per-head charge.

Guess what beat you to it? Medicare Advantage plans, which already work off a capitated rate.

http://www.kff.org/medicare/upload/2052-10.pdf

And this one was my favorite:

"Medicare has both a higher rate of efficiency than private insurance (based on its overhead costs per beneficiary)"

Mainly because Medicare doesn't pay rent, salaries, light bills, or anything else that a private company would have to pay; that's all absorbed by the taxpayers.

Then again, Obama Party members like Barack Obama and Bob don't pay taxes, so to them, it's free money. They just take it from others.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html

[North Dallas Thirty]

Oh, and Bob?

Next time, don't coordinate your talking points so closely with your Barack Obama.

http://spectator.org/blog/2009/08/03/durbin-accuses-citizens-oppose

It makes the astroturfing that you and your Obama Party are doing that much more obvious.

Too bad shills and puppets like yourself are no match for citizens armed with knowledge and understanding. We saw that much above when you got humiliated by having your lie that Obama said nothing about cuts to Medicare blown apart.

[mark l.]

"Doing nothing is not going to magically make it better."

promising money that you don't have is the "solution"?

59 trillion in unfunded obligations.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2007-05-28-federal-budget_N.htm

"Unfunded promises made for Medicare, Social Security and federal retirement programs account for 85% of taxpayer liabilities. State and local government retirement plans account for much of the rest."

the two of you want to add to our debt, for instant gratification?
let me know when you decide you are going to give more to the govt, than you tax bill.

three recent news items come to mind:
1)the financial crisis. banks insured bundled loans with money they didn't have.
2)home bankruptices. people bought house promising money they would never earn.
3)bernie madoff. promised 50 billion in money he didn't have.

slide and bob, two guys in love with a party whose chief economist is Charles Ponzi.

if obama has a plan for MAKING MONEY, I'll listen. He makes money, he can spend money. Funny how that thing works.

[Anon]

I wish Bob that you would stop saying I advocate "doing nothing" since that isn't the case, and you've been told that numerous times. Just because our health care system as it is currently configured is unsustainable doesn't mean that the health plan on the table will improve things, it won't it will make things WORSE. Much worse.

My argument is "not incoherent" the post was to point out the total stupidity and insincerity of the current plan on the table and the absolute unsustainabiility of the Medicare model that you appear to think is what the rest of the country needs.

Patients like it because they get whatever care they want; yet patients getting whatever care they want has made its cost unsustainable. There are no meaningful controls on usage.

Doctors do not like it because they get paid less than they do for private insurance. The only control that the lame azz government bureacracy is able to put forward is cutting provider costs, e.g. they are not able to 'find efficiencies' 'improve outcomes' or even 'uncover fraud and waste' let alone innovate any better treatment paradyms. The fact that they only way they can figure out to hold cost down is cut doctors and hospital payments shows how totally worthless the whole Medicare system is to begin with and the utter insanity of trusting these same doofuses to EVER FIND A WAY TO CUT COSTS.

This isn't "My Argument" this the factual case and it points up clearly not my incoherence but the incoherence not only of the Medicare program but the health care plan, it especially points up the hypocrisy of telling everyone that they're going to get everything they want, because it is impossible.

Someone is going to have to pay for it eventually one way or the other.

[Bob]

"A better comparison would be to compare those in conventional Medicare to those in Medicare Advantage plans, which are privately-provided plans that cover the Medicare eligible. And what happens then?

[...]

Of those low-income seniors who make just enough to be ineligible for Medicaid but who lack access to employer-sponsored supplemental coverage, 54 percent of Latinos and 38 percent of African-Americans choose Medicare Advantage."

I have no problem with this, North Dallas. Why? Because Medicare Advantage is still Medicare. It's a perfect model where private insurers have to compete with a good government-run program and therefore have to provide a similar level of service at a similar price. They're still less efficient, according to the figures, however, and tend to have higher administrative costs than traditional Medicare. And the statistics still stand that Medicare beneficiaries (presumably whether traditional or Medicare Advantage) have higher satisfaction rates than people with traditional employer based private plans, however you care to spin it.

You'd better be careful, North Dallas: you seem to have inadvertently provided strong evidence that when private insurers and a good government-run plan compete in the same market, a win-win situation can result. Having a happy, efficient system that even leaves room for insurance companies, doctors and hospitals to make a profit, with protections that keep people satisfied with their coverage, means that poor Republican ideologues like you might be left out in the cold with no "socialist" bad guys to vilify.

Seriously, it's too bad that your side can't approach this debate with enough good faith to try to find other such win-win opportunities.

And by the way, your latest post has nothing to do with anything I've posted about.

[Bob]

"the two of you want to add to our debt, for instant gratification?
let me know when you decide you are going to give more to the govt, than you tax bill."

Again, mark, can you prove that you ever wrote a post expressing concern about government deficit spending during the Bush administration? Deficits from Bush's term exceed those of Obama's by a hefty margin. I've said it before and it still stands: until you can show such proof, I think it's fair to view your current statements as hypocritical partisan posturing.

[Anon]

Oh My God. WTF is wrong with you?

Everyone, agrees that Medicare is unsustainable in its present for. Obama himself says this!!!!

If Medicare is a "win-win" opportunity, when even a total spendthrift life Obama admits that it will eventually bankrupt the country, then we might as well throw in the towel right now and turn the country over the Chinese lock, stock and barrel.

You should really be embarrassed.