Jesse Griffin Just Keeps Lying

Jesse Griffin has updated his blog, not surprisingly, with another statement that is demonstrably false - ie another lie. For the record, I have already spoken to the Alaska school board. They were aware of this issue before I called. I'm awaiting another call back now with additional information. I will post on that later.

When school ended last year I decided to take the summer to decide if I wanted to return. I decided not to about midway through last month.

That was not his claim to his very own readers as recently as yesterday. And I have email from him claiming he hasn't been there since last year. What is this guy, Bill Clinton? It depends on what the meaning of "last year" is?

Perhaps this explains the many felonies, inlcuding assault, on the arrest record of the very young man that has been living with him for several years. He doesn't seem to have had a very good example to model his behavior on. This is all public information, likely to be disclosed at a later time.

It was made clear to me that THEY would not ask me to resign because of these tactics and that they found them unconscionable. However since I had already decided to resign, and have a number of other projects I am working on that will prevent me from making the time to spend in the classroom, I said thank you but I am still putting in my resignation.

The Alaska School Board is going to be placed in a position from which they are forced to make a public statement on this - that, or Eddie Burke's listeners tonight will be hearing that Jesse Griffin's assertions did not seem to be in need of official rebutting by them.

I am sure Alaskans would be thrilled about the standards their schools use in employing kindergartner assistants. But I do not believe Griffin's statement to be accurate, or even true. We shall see.

Most likely, it is but one more lie upon the many he seems to have used in his vicious, uncalled for attacks on Sarah Palin and her family, as well.

Should we really be surprised? Most disgusting is the on going fawning his commenters display while knowing his vulgar sexually explicit postings and claiming to instruct kindergarten-aged children in a public school a the same time. It makes one wonder if they have any morals at all. It seems that as long you appear to be benefiting their political cause, you can engage in any kind of behavior you like without being judged.

That, too, is troubling ... to say the least.

Comments

[ol_dirty_/b/tard]

Interesting. An Alaskan poster at C4P just posted the following:

"JohnDoeAt30Below said...

juju, before his photo disappeared Gryphen was listed as teacher's aide. A friend of mine has been with ASD for years and knows the system:

1. When hiring aides, ASD likes at least an associate's degree but it is not an absolute requirement.

2. Aides are NOT certified teachers and do not belong to the teachers union.

3. Aides are hired as classified employees and do not have contracts. They can be laid off or terminated at any time for any reason and do not get any kind of tenure.

Registration for kindegarten is underway right now but the first day of instruction isn't until Aug 25.

Griffen didn't "resign," he didn't have a contract. He was told he would not be offered a position in the fall.
Now he can spend more time at his other job."

(Please note the juju he's replying to is a different juju than the troll who posts here)

[Mike2Cents]

Jaysus, man...who cares?
Dan - you are becoming strangely obsessed here.
Ok, he posted a false rumour. On a BLOG! Mountain-out-of-a-molehill stuff going on here.
Yes, he says mean things about people he doesn't like.
Do you pay any attention to some of the innuendo, accusations, etc. that fly around here on a regular basis (and I mean comments, not posts)...the crass comments, gay sex obssesed remarks, profanity-laced insults, etc.?
Where's your passion when it comes to that?
Time to move on.
Many of your regular commentators haven't been given the chance to hate Clinton for going to N. Korea yet...think of them, if not yourself.

[Redhead]

I must say I find your assertion that someone who works with children should never have an adult conversation. I think your insuations and character assasination of Griffin is disgusting. You have no basis for how you are trying to portray this man, and actively trying to ruin his reputation with no proof of wrongdoing at all.

I also believe that Gryphen may be mistaken in what he posted about the Palins divorcing, but I also believe 100% that he believed it when he posted it. I believe he has a source but I also believe that source may not be as credible as he thinks.

But what you are doing is below the belt, and you know damn well what you are doing, and you know its not right. Your mission here is not to right the misinformation that Gryphen may have given out, but to ruin the man and his career. You my friend, are not a good person.

[JD30]

FWIW, teachers' aides are not certified teacher so the Alaska Board of Education would likely have little jurisdiction. The Anchorage School District was Griffin's employer and they are governed by the Anchorage School Board and you can bet that they have already been made aware of Griffin's activities and, no doubt, "encouraged" him to find another part time job.

His baloney about resigning is just that - he had no contract, no guarantee, no union to back him up. What he had was a part time job that is now gone, thanks to his inflated opinion of his own worth.

[Lisa Graas]

Truly the only thing I find worthy of concern to parents (so far) is the fact that children not only could access his blog (with content very inappropriate for children) but, given that he knows so many children, might be drawn to learn more about him (completely in innocence) and end up on his blog. That's what sends up a big red flag to me as a parent.

I have four minor children and I would never agree to my kids being around someone who spoke the way he speaks if he did so publicly. I don't believe it's necessary for school boards to be concerned about the private, anonymous blogs of their employees, however I do think that the fact that kids could, and very well might, access his content is of concern. It's something that would merit disciplinary action but not firing, in my view.

Maybe he really does keep his foul mouth private. Maybe he is not someone who is harmful to children..........but the link to his blog is problematic.

I am a diehard Palin supporter, but I am morally obligated to give this man the benefit of the doubt when there is a question. Although he doesn't seem to be doing that for Sarah Palin, based on my subjective reading of his blog, I have a higher standard.

I appreciate the work you and Stacy are doing here because, as I just commented on Stacy's blog, there is a serious lack of journalistic oversight on the reporting on Sarah Palin and we need more analysis like this. You're performing a public service here and I appreciate it.

[Lisa Graas]

Redhead wrote: "actively trying to ruin his reputation"

I disagree, and as I've stated multiple times both here and on my blog, the ruining of reputations is among my biggest concerns in the blogosphere, no matter what the politics are of the person whose reputation is at stake. Riehl poses his thoughts on this as questions, not fact, and it is perfectly valid. Asking a question about a speculation you have is perfectly acceptable, even when it involves a reputation. Dan Riehl hasn't, as far as I can see, gone beyond the asking of legitimate questions.

[Pixie]

First off, last year is the last school year, which typically ends in June. I think you are stretching this one.

Second, as a certified HR professional, I seriously doubt the Alaska School Board is telling you anything. They would have a huge, I mean huge, lawsuit on their hands should they release employee information other than, "he doesn't work here." Even if you were an employer, all they are legally allowed to tell you (without a signed release from the employee) is whether someone would be eligible for re-hire or not. I know this for a fact, and it's Federal Law.

Third, you seem to be making allegations of illegal, criminal conduct here in your comments regarding this guy's proximity to minors (in class, in his house). That's way different than alleging someone is splitting up, or pregnant or other such pedestrian gossip. That seems incredibly seedy when there is no evidence of that type of behavior. I wouldn't even surmise that based on his posts, regardless of whether I thought they were morally overboard. There's a ton of crap adults do that's morally overboard to me that is not criminal and that does not affect their ability to be responsible adults. Wow.

As far as this whole debacle, someone or, perhaps, one side or the other, will be right. And soon. What will happen then? Thanks for letting me post.

[Anon]

Isn't part of the story that Jesse wasn't really "anonymous" that you could figure out who he was because his facebook page either mentioned or linked back to his blog?

I doubt he is "harmful" to children and I think people who have insinuated that are wrong; bur I do think his blog shows him to be tempermentally unfit to work with children. The fact that he has now been caught in several apparent lies bolsters the idea that he doesn't belong in a kindergarten.

Dan has had nothing to do with this, the idea that he is persecuted Jesse is flat out wrong.

Jesse HIMSELF POSTED THE LETTER from Palin's attorney to try and gin up more coverage and more sympathy. Any curiousity or research that flowed from the letter is as a result of Jesse's own actions.

[Lisa Graas]

Just to clarify, I don't consider Griffin to be anything even remotely approaching a "journalist". I think my blog has far more insightful commentary than Griffin's does, but I am not a "journalist", either! What I meant when I was referring to journalistic oversight has to do with my concern that real journalists are going with stories by bloggers. I appreciate Stacy's explanation of the difference between the standards at The Washington Times and some guy with a computer and an opinion. Stacy has done a great job demonstrating the phenomenal difference between the two.

[carol]

I hit the tip jar.
Couldn't leave you a note, so here it is.
Have a drink on me and enjoy a view of " Cell Block Tango ( He Had It Comin') Chicago http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDRN3umyXTk
You earned it.

[Dan Riehl]

For the record, not only do I operate basically within journalistic ethics on this blog, I sought additional legal advice before posting on Jesse at all. I have accused Jesse of no illegal act. If the facts suggest that, than perhaps that's the conclusions some themsleves are jumping to, even his supporters, because the facts are so troubling.

Nor do I anticipate the school board divulging any confidential information to me. And I understand precisely what that means here. I can only assume some here are familiar with amateur standards of blogging because they have been reading an amateur like Jesse too long.

He got himself into the wrong fight this time due to his actions. And I am already assured that he will lose, as I know the facts. And I am posting nothing but facts as so identified, leaving any speculation well pointed out.

[upinak]

Lisa, griffin couldn't touch any of us with a ten foor pole... nor would anyone want too.

Creating lies on about a child and obviously "other' things shows someone has a serious case of cabin fever and he should have gone to the gym to begin with.

[Ad rem]

"ol dirty b tard" states Griffin's job description perfectly. The man's a "teacher's aide"....that's a part-time position filled by a usually un-credentialed person at a usually minimum wage. I've taught elementary school (3rd. grade) for years, and have had many teacher's aides. You're not allowed to have them "teach" lessons, however, they may be utilized to practice lessons...ie flash cards, read stories, correct papers, aide in craft projects, and assist children in the bathroom. They usually come in for the first two to three hours in the morning, while you are most busy teaching your math and reading groups. They don't belong to a union, have no tenure, and can therefore be fired at any time....at the teacher's discretion.

[Mike2Cents]

Lisa -
"Riehl poses his thoughts on this as questions, not fact, and it is perfectly valid."
Without specifically detailing DR's use/abuse of that tactic, it's fair to say it is a lame and much abused one.
It's just so easy to write "Does Dan Reihl hate kids? We are looking into it, but don't have an answer yet".
Watch Fox News teasers for even more examples.
If blogging like this is the 'new journalism', then things really are looking bad for journalism.

[Anon]

I'm always amazed at people who seem to think that whatever they do on the Internet is private.

College kids who are shocked that any prospective employer checks their Myspace or Facebook pages, or fools like Jesse who feel free to spew their poisonous ramblings and unsourced gossip, even to the point of trying to get sympathy by outing themselves, and then are shocked when they called on their own behavior.

If he had not posted the letter from Palin's lawyer in an attempt to further agrandize himself, then nothing would have happened. The fault is Jesse's not Dan's.

I don't see why he shouldn't be judged by what he writes on his own blog.

[Lala]

Pixie said -

"Even if you were an employer, all they are legally allowed to tell you (without a signed release from the employee) is whether someone would be eligible for re-hire or not. I know this for a fact, and it's Federal Law."

Pixie makes up her own laws. There is no such law.

[Cindy]

Just to post an update of information on teachers aides, I don't know if Alaska does or does not have union for aides, but I know California does and the jobs are Not minimum wage. They are scaled by seniority of time in service and the type of school you work at, elementary, middle and high school being different job descriptions.

I assume nothing about Gryphen, other than that he doesn't care for Palin, he's not alone, she is liked and she is disliked equally I would say by reading/watching news reports.

Making a blog war with Gryphen is one thing but bringing up children and appropriate/inappropriate behavior, including giving out any information on a "very young man" who may or may not be residing at the same residence has been the sole discretion of this blog and Mr. Riehl. That is legally dangerous territory and I would assume that your lawyer would have told you that. If he/she didn't, get a new lawyer.

Also any threats sent to the school, if true, mentioning shooting someone or committing any acts of violence, goes beyond any boundaries and straight into law enforcement territory.

[katiejane]

redhead said - I must say I find your assertion that someone who works with children should never have an adult conversation.

...Is that what you call the things he has said on line ? adult conversation? Is that how you talk?

I also believe that Gryphen may be mistaken in what he posted about the Palins divorcing, but I also believe 100% that he believed it when he posted it.

...Then he should not have said that "It's a fact" now should he? Or when Palin publically denied it he should have taken it down.

But what you are doing is below the belt, and you know damn well what you are doing, and you know its not right. Your mission here is not to right the misinformation that Gryphen may have given out, but to ruin the man and his career. You my friend, are not a good person.

.... And the mission of Griffin and his fellow anti-Palin loons is to try ruin Palin's career, her family and her life. Karma is a bitch.

[upinak]

Cindy,

Alaska from what I know, it depends on what they do.

http://www.asdk12.org/HR/Benefits/index.asp

TOTEM: http://www.totemassoc.org/

Yes... anyone who works for the School District here is in a union.

[Anon]

If the information is public record on 'the very young man' then I don't see how it is legally dangerous territory.

If Dan gave this person's name, then assuming he also doesn't have a myspace page or a facebook account under his name, that might be considered invasion of privacy, but I doubt it, assuming he is an adult and not a minor.

People seem to have widly inaccurate ideas about what is and is not considered public record and invasion of privacy.

I also don't think there is any federal law that prevents an employer from saying whether you were let go for cause or not, though I know it is the practice for most employers these days not to go into any more details than is necessary, but it is patently absurd to say that for example it would be ILLEGAL for Company X to say "Yes, we fired Mr. Blue because he was caught stealing money"...or "Yes, we fired Mrs. Red after she murdered her husband"...Yes it is a gray area, which is why companies err on the side of less information, but I don't think it is legally prohibited.

[Cindy]

Thank you for that information w/links upinak.

Mr. Riehl - I should Not have made the statement above "get a new lawyer", that was wrong on my part.

[Lala]

Who is proud to call himself a grifter?

[greg]

I'm betting that a lot of the supportive comments on IM are probably put there by Jesse himself. I know for a fact that during the campaign there were plenty of 0bama supporters out there flooding every news site on the net with really vile comments about Palin and her family, and they quite often had multiple screen names to make it look as if everyone hated her. I figured that out in our local newspapers site, when I noted the same words misspelled over and over again in multiple posts, and generally the same kind of vile comments.

[anginak]

I am so damn glad that Dan Riehl is championing this dispute. This Alaskan blogger is particularly abhorrent. You would have to spend time reading his blog, the blog comments and checking the linked blogs to ascertain this is like a old time telephone party line of gossip, rumors, non facts, with some freaky shit thrown in, that is spread out and sometimes scooped by the MSM!?! WTH is up with that? I'll say what's up with that, Sarah Palin detractors, that's what.

To quote Dan from his post "It seems that as long you appear to be benefiting their political cause, you can engage in any kind of behavior you like without being judged."

And ain't it a shame. Another thing, Jesse Griffin's 'rah rah' crowd probably 'rah rah' from a safe distance, so they can keep him spewing without getting any on themselves personally.

[Fred Anchorage]

I think you are a very sick and disturbed person. What you did outing him does not even compare to what he has done. I and others are writing letters to the FBI about you. I don't like the law but someone has to stop obsessive stalker creeps like you. They are very interested these days in people like you incite hatred and violence. We have proof you or your friend were posting on Twitter saying he was a "pedophile" HE ISN'T. He is WELL LIKED IN ALASKA and you are being a jerk over Palin of all people? My God man, don't you know what she is really like? Is she worth this? How would you feel if some people called you a pervert. Your ugliness is an embarrassment to anyone who is a true conservative. No true conservative would do what you did. Classless. Two wrongs do not make a right man.

What is it with you and Sarah Palin. You are more obsessed with her than he is!! It is unreal. Did you ever look at your own blog? Your view of her is so distorted too. She is a pathologic liar! And anyone who spends time with her knows that. To paint her as a great Regan conservative who is going to save the world is demented! I have been a conservative all my life and Palin is NOT a conservative and she does not speak for me. I find her to be an embarrassment to our movement. What you are doing is just as embarrassing and very very bad. It makes her look like a big bully. Everyone knows she is behind your and McCain's actions. You keep making one mistake after another. Are you an idiot?? You aren't even Alaskan and you don't even know Sarah. The people here are GLAD she is gone! The entire legislature can't stand her and could not work with her. She believes she is above the law. And you are making a huge deal going after someone who has the nerve to speak the truth about her. Don't you see what you are doing?? Over HALF of the people who filed ethics complaints were Republicans in Alaska or conservatives. Do some damn research and go after the right people. Palin sure has snowed you. Man you do not know what a crazy greedy bloodthirsty woman she is. Have you met her in person , talked to her, read her REAL records? people like you -outsiders make me sick.

[Stogie]

Grifter said:

"DR so glad you are concerned about vetting someone...how 'bout you start on the ex-gov of Alaska!
After all there are ACTUALLY "people" who want her to run for POTUS....I have a feeling you'd better start vetting her now. And BTW that was all Gryphen was trying to do hold his gov accountable and vetting her."

Stoige says:
Oh please! Slandering Palin, wishing she would break her ankle, claiming that she did not give birth to her son Trig, stating that she was being investigated by the FBI, and then claiming she was getting a divorce when she wasn't -- that is not "vetting" her that is cyberstalking, harassment and slander.

[JustOneMan]

Fox News Teaser Id Like to See....

Mike2Cents a moron or an idiot? We will have the answer when we return from our commercial break.....

[Fred Anchorage]

Why don't you LIST IS MANY FELONIES HUH??? Instead of posting bogus links. I see you already deleted my message. You sure like people to agree with you. You are a stupid stupid man and are in a lot of trouble. The guy you outed is VERY WELL LIKED. KEEP POSTING MORE LIBELOUS STATEMENTS. I got the one of you saying he committed many felonies. Why don't you list them so people can see the truth.
All of this for Sarah Palin. Have you really met her?? Wait until you see that every thing (pretty much) he is saying about her is true! You have done the wrong thing and you are going to regret it. This isn't a threat, you are digging your own time behind bars

[Ad rem]

upinak,

Thanks for the links regarding the ASD. Read through the entire TOTEM pdf, and yes he does have union representation. Apparently he make @$12.62 hr., and being part-time receives no health care.

Cindy,

All that huffing and puffing.....don't hyperventilate!

[thirteen28]

Man I love watching leftwingers whine like little bitches when people like Dan and Stacy finally take of the gloves and force feed them their own medicine. Well done to both of you!

[anon]

Dan did not out Jesse, Jesse outed himself when he posted the letter from Palin's lawyer.

Also, Sarah Palin had what, an 80% favorabiity rating in Alaska as governor before the media set out to destroy her...so I highly doubt she is as unpopular as Fred Anchorage wants us to think.

This is not about Sarah Palin but about an unscrupulous, lying blogger who is now reaping what he sowed. It's karma baby.

[Stephanie]

R Us...Vetting does not mean trying to destroy someone by lying about them. Sarah has been "vetted", as you say, more than any politician EVER. Gryphen, and all you other loons, are not trying to hold Sarah accountable. You're trying to crucify her, because you have a vitriolic hatred for her. Gryphen is being exposed for the liar he is, and by extension, the rest of you are sliding into the muck with him.

[Reaganite Republican Resistance]

I would say most of those on the left will have trouble with ANYthing you do re. Griffin, Dan-
they've got a lot to lose, and sure don't want too much attention on the kind of things
the DNC's loosely-affiliated street soldiers of the blogosphere have been up to... or what kind of people they are.

After spreading deliberately false Palin divorce rumors -that went all the way to CNN- he surely deserves whatever glaring spotlights are trained upon him. And he's had ample opportunity to defend himself- unlike his cowardly sniping at Palin from a distance. And it's also Mr Griffin's personal choice to lie his butt off about it, he almost forced you to go to their own conclusions.

This loser is bringing this all upon himself- sounds like he's got a screw loose to me.

NICE WORK Dan & Stacy-

[the chef of sandwiches]

Take it easy Fred, that vein in your forehead is red and throbbing. Your monitor is getting caked with your spittle. You're going to give yourself an anyurism. LOL!

[upinak]

Fred that is very interesting as I am an Alaskan and I am very disappointed with the way the "Alaskan Liberal Bloggers" have been. It isn't just dissappointing, it is very degrading and embarrassing to the REAL Alaskans who have been up here for years. This is worse then when the Alaska Legislature and Alaskan Senate was corrupt up until now. It didn't matter who they were and what political party they belonged too.... everyone in Alaska knew who was corrupt.

So with that said, please show me where all these "Alaskans" are glad she is gone. Honestly I don't know many who would say they are happy. You actually sound more like sjk from the belly who is a troll that like to go on different sites.

[Lisa Graas]

Fred wrote: "I and others are writing letters to the FBI about you."

They're writing letters to the FBI about Dan Riehl?? COOL!!!!! ;-) Dan, this is even better than being called a racist for disagreeing with your President's spending policy.

[rdwngnut]

Fred wrote: "I and others are writing letters to the FBI about you."

And I'm writing letters to NASA about you. You're clearly from Outer Space.

[Mike]

Boy, they sure hate it when we start playing by their own rules, don't they?

[ThomasD]

Fred, when you write the FBI be sure to mention me by name. They'll know what it means.

[anginak]

rdwingnut - I snorted my soda, lol!

[Lisa Graas]

Dan, you need to be mindful of the potential for harassment that goes beyond the pale. It could happen. I have a very mild pro-Palin blog (I've never broken a story) and one of Gryphen's regular commenters was researching my personal life online.......so just be careful out there.

[Ad rem]

"I and others are writing letters to the FBI about you."

Fred's talking about the "Federal Bureau of Inebriates" .....of which he is a charter member.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Dan, you need to be mindful of the potential for harassment that goes beyond the pale. It could happen. I have a very mild pro-Palin blog (I've never broken a story) and one of Gryphen's regular commenters was researching my personal life online.......so just be careful out there."

The odds are very good that it will, Lisa, given the kind of people with which we're dealing.

That being said, there are also oodles of these same people commenting out there about how wrong and awful and evil it is to go into someone's personal life, so anything they do will blow back on them about three hundredfold.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Fred wrote: "I and others are writing letters to the FBI about you."

Yes, and you were getting lawyers yesterday, too. How's that working out for you?

It's like these freaks trying to use depositions as a weapon. Don't they realize that THEY can be deposed as well -- and that, when their stories on the stand don't match what they posted in their blog, that they will get in trouble for that?

You get the feeling that Gryphen and his commenters are people with extremely indulgent parents, given that not one of them seems to even comprehend that telling a blatant and obvious lie carries with it consequences.

[Josh Painter]

Speaking of playing by their own rules...

http://texas4palin.blogspot.com/2009/08/exclusive-jesse-and-school-district-are.html

[Franny]

Fred,
They have a special website for reporting now- flag@whitehouse.gov/creepypeople. And you have been duly reported.

Ha Ha I reported you first!

[Franny]

"My God man, don't you know what she is really like? Is she worth this?"

Do you even read what you write, man?

Why don't you ask Griffin and yourself if Palin is really worth all the lies you and the rest of you creepy people make up about her!

And it is Griffin's OWN WORDS that make people go Ummmmm..........

[Ad rem]

Josh Painter,

"Kidding" with goats.....well, I never! ;-)

[The Gonz]

"But what you are doing is below the belt, and you know damn well what you are doing, and you know its not right. Your mission here is not to right the misinformation that Gryphen may have given out, but to ruin the man and his career. You my friend, are not a good person."

And Jesse Griffin's reason for posting garbage, crap, and outright lies about Sarah Palin and her family is. . .what, exactly?

Seriously, sit the hell down. Your agenda is showing.

Your pal Jesse deserves to be destroyed, and I hope that's exactly what happens to him.

[cindi]

pixie IS correct with the issue of information released by an employeer or prior employeer. if a company or such employees over 50 people they are restricted. the only info they can give is to confirm date hired date of termination and confirm salary amount. they can not say you were fired for this or that. they also are not allowed to give out your salary amount to anyone for any reason, say you were buying a car, the lender calls, all the employer can do is confirm the amount the lender gives by saying yes or no. this is all federal law. good