It's Okay To Question Your Patriotism

It's un-American, as well as prohibited to question the patriotism of those attempting to undermine a war effort, but question Obama's policies and this is what you get. Liberals have no shame when it comes to hypocrisy. And I really regret that we are going to be reaping the unpleasant benefits to our politics going forward. Much more of this and the Right is going to get just as angry and ugly as the Left. Twenty-ten is going to be a no holds barred blood match politically speaking.

Rep. Henry Waxman (D-Calif.), who has had an eventful couple of weeks to say the least, believes House Republican opposition to climate change legislation and the stimulus indicates they’re cheering against the good ol’ US of A.

“It appears that the Republican Party leadership in the Congress has made a decision that they want to deny President Obama success, which means, in my mind, they are rooting against the country, as well,” the powerful House Energy and Commerce Committee chairman told WAMU radio host Diane Rehm on Tuesday morning, promoting his new book, “The Waxman Report.”

Update: Conservative GPW's Congressman is Waxman? Well, that stinks.

... my Congressman, ever eager to frustrate Republican efforts at reform, (is) now criticizing Republicans for attempting to do to Democratic legislation today what he did to Republican legislation when the GOP was in the majority:....

Comments

[Jamie Gumm]

Samuel Johnson was referring to the acts of scoundrels, not opining on patriots. You're a kind of johnson yourself, Slide. Take a nap, you must be tired with all the spinning.

Waxman (D-Twilight Zone, pig-nose episode) just called the powerless minority party unpatriotic for not agreeing that the country needs to be remodeled in BHO's grad school Alinskyite image. Deal with it.

[Good Lt.]

>"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel"

Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. - Howard Zinn

[O!]

Thanks, Slide and anon for demonstrating that there aren't any examples to support your initial assertions.

Unless, of course, you want to revise your assertion from the initial, unsupportable claim to:
"Liberal and democrat partisans and opinion columnists have claimed for years that the GOP has questioned their patriotism. The only support offered for their claims, however, are telephone-game-like-chains of citations to other partisans and opinion columnists who also claim to have been called unpatriotic. At no point is any primary source given which shows the GOP actually calling them unpatriotic."

Because I completely agree that the revised version happened, and that you can find pages of evidence supporting it.

[Good Lt.]

> Vitter, Craig, Sanford, Ensign, Foley

So every politician with a moral or ethical problem means that all of their supporters do the same?

I guess all Democrats are murderers, drunks, lechers, drug addicts, coke dealers, communists, prostitution-peddlers and customers, hypocrites, etc.

You're a child, Slide.

Jamie's right. You need a nap.

[Slide]

This is how stupid the right is. Good Lt. says this, "See, you fail, Slide. You're leaders (at the very top) have openly admitted they don't like America. They want it "changed." Changed from what? They don't say. Changed to what? Blank out. But all they know is that it isn't good in their view."

So the right is completely happy with America? You guys never find fault with the country?????? lol That's all you guys do. Bitch and moan about America. Do you want me to pull a million comments from this blog showing how you want America "changed"?

So if a liberal wants change in America they are unpatriotic and un-American but if a conservative wants change in America.. well.. they just want what is best for the country. Unbelievable

[Anon]

This is why the GOP is out of power now.

I am not going to find links to something that was that so widespread as to come under the rubric 'prove the sky is blue'. It doesn't matter whether the word "unpatriotic" was used or not, if you will note in Dan's OP, Waxman doesn't use either traitor or unpatriotic either, but the implication is clear, just like it was when the Republicans continued to insinuate that the Democrats were unpatriotic and wanted to "lose" in Iraq.

It is the same stupid semantic arguement that you use to make the case that no one in the Bush Administration ever "lied" about anything, when it is crystal clear to anyone with a shred of sense or logic that while a legal "lie" may be provable it is obvious that they purposefully mislead and mis stated facts on just about everything having to do with the war on terror.

If Republicans aren't willing to look in the mirrow and admit where the made mistakes, then they're never going to regain their credibility and they are certainly not going to regain their credibiliy in time to derail Obama's all government all the time freight train.

[J. Rathburn]

What a world! Now we have lefties using George Bush as their moral compass.

[Jamie Gumm]

False choice: Not wanting to have America re-made into a Socialist nanny state (aka Obama's "Change") = "Never finding fault" and "being completely happy with America".

Take that nap...wake up smarter.

[Good Lt.]

o the right is completely happy with America?

No - your policies are destroying it, not helping it.

Here - open a newspaper, you dolt:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/07/AR2009070703182.html?wprss=rss_politics

We're unhappy with YOUR POLICIES BECAUSE THEY DON'T WORK AND DO MORE HARM THAN GOOD. Deal.

That's not the equivalent of calling you unpatriotic. That's an asinine leap that you and your fellow Democrats made for yourselves.

You're just WRONG.

It's like teaching physics to a toad.

[Jamie Gumm]

"...just like it was when the Republicans continued to insinuate that the Democrats were unpatriotic and wanted to "lose" in Iraq..." - anon

"This war is lost" - Harry Reid (D-Buttmunch)

Harry was just insinuating that, eh? What a cunning linguist.

[Good Lt.]

>Do you want me to pull a million comments from this blog showing how you want America "changed"?

O RLY? Who ran on the platform of HOPE AND CHANGE? McCain?

HOPE AND CHANGE.

Your boy, jackass, ran on CHANGE. He's the one who wanted to "CHANGE" America.

Seems like there's a lot of "change" going on in Congress.

Unfortunately, it's CHANGE for the worse. Inconvenient truth, I know, but there it is.

[Agoraphobic Plumber]

"But if you are someone that wants to see Obama fail.... which means America fails... then no one can question your patriotism?"

Rush Limbaugh is a blowhard, but he took unfair heat for his "wanting Obama to fail" remarks. I he was saying that he didn't want Obama to succeed in turning the US into a socialist state. In that, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

I also hope O fails at changing our healthcare to a socialist one.

I also hope he fails at installing the ridiculous cap and trade scheme, and if he succeeds I hope the program itself is a miserable failure.

Because most of his major policy choices represent things that have never fit with traditional American ideals. Hell yes, they're unAmerican, and I hope they all fail.

For the record, I never called anybody unAmerican for protesting the wars or bashing Bush. Those are their rights. It is NOT anybody's right to take over private companies, even (and may especially) the government.

And it is bad policy to spend billions and probably trillions of dollars trying to do something about the climate with absolutely no idea if it can have a measurable impact. If you believe that climate change is an urgent problem (I don't) then the money would be MUCH better spent preparing to adapt to the changing climate rather than trying to derail a train with a spaghetti noodle.

[Good Lt.]

"This war is lost" - Harry Reid (D-Buttmunch)

Wow. What patriotism. What support and recognition for the military's successes IN REALITY.

Slide will ignore it because he didn't read it on a leftwing blog, but that doesn't make it go away.

[Bill45]

Slide posted at July 08, 2009 at 12:22 PM: " But if you are someone that wants to see Obama fail.... which means America fails..."Of course, the left's wishing for Bush to fail never meant American would fail.

No, Slide, wanting to see Obama fail does not mean American will fail. Quite the opposite, in fact. Obama succeeding means America failing.

[TM]

"Dissent is the highest form of patriotism. - Howard Zinn"

Zinn is a left-wing nutcase who wraps his marxist attacks on traditional American values in
the flag. - Me

[Ron]

So tired of looking at Waxman's brain pan through his nostril's, why can't he take some bribes like the rest of the Democrats and get that pig snout taken care of, if he can't make a couple of $billion$ after suppressing that EPA report he should be made a Republican.

[Jamie Gumm]

Hmmm... they must be busy "playing" Evony.

[Nahanni]

The left/liberal/progressives (or whatever they are calling themselves this week) can dish it out but can't take it. I can not wait to hear them howl when the American people rise up against them. They laugh, scoff, make snarky comments that only serve to highlight their ignorance and think they have us beaten down but they do not. The sleeping giant is awaking and if they think that their petulant temper tantrums and arrogant ignorance will save them they will soon learn a very harsh lesson because the sleeping giant is about to open up a jumbo can of whoop ass on them.

They do not understand the American people because they have lived too long in their gated community of the mind aka the "reality-based community" where they make presumptions assumptions about the American people and call them "bitter Klingons" and other such ignorant and arrogant nonsense.

They have no idea of what is about to hit them.

[Drider]

I don't question mu patriotism for even a second. I was one of those who "rightly" questioned the patriotism of others as they did their best to lose a war we we're involved in and/or put lives of servicemen and women in danger so they could score some popularity points amongst their unpatriotic circles.

As far as Waxman's stupid comment, just because a party wins control of an election does not give them carte' blanch freedom to destroy the country and make indentured slaves of our people, people like Waxman are doing this "despite" the wishes of many of their voters, might I add. The entire US Congress at this moment in time are nothing but Socialists(or worse, those who fear the Socialists) who's intent is to reshape this Country into a much weaker version of "it takes a village" and it patriotic in highest degree to stop the enemy at the gate....or in our present state, stop them now that they have entered the gate.

[Spartee]

Slide, find some hobbies other than this one. Your discernment is terrible, and I have the impression you break many keyboards in typing your replies. (Please note, that is not a questioning of your patriotism.)

[anon]

I think its funny that people are trying to say that Republicans didn't claim anyone against the war was unpatriotic while at the same time, continuing to say that anyone who was against the war was unpatriotic and/or put soldiers in harms way and/or wanted to lose the war.

No wonder Obama feels like he can do whatever he wants.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"It doesn't matter whether the word "unpatriotic" was used or not"

So Slide is accusing Republicans of calling Obama Party members unpatriotic; then, upon being asked to provide proof, insists that it doesn't matter whether they actually called an Obama Party member unpatriotic or not for him to accuse them of doing it.

[Josh Reiter]

Slide,

Good try but your only reinforcing the point that the left is begin hypocritical about this. The dems turned back flips at the notion that they were being labeled unpatriotic and that instead, dissent is in fact the highest form of patriotism. Yet, what was good for the goose does not appear to be good for the gander. What part of this do you not understand?

You just want to drill in on one comment made and somehow leverage that in an attempt to de-legitimize this entire position. Sorry, it isn't working.

There is something in business called the Ladder of Accountability. People who do nothing but blame others, deny situations, make excuses, and have a wait and see attitude are people who are unable to escape their chronic anxieties -- *cough* Obama. The goal is to rise above this type of abdicating behavior and instead accept accountable behaviors: acknowledge reality, own that reality, adopt realistic solutions, and effectively implement those solutions. People who get stuck on those lower rungs of accountability make ineffective leaders and generally retard the success of an overall project.

[Gabriel Hanna]

None of you actually cited an example of "questioning patriotism" of anyone who was against the Iraq war.

All you did was cite somebody CHARACTERIZING an incident as "questioning patriotism". But you never gave the actual quote.

For example, the Saxby Chambliss ad was DESCRIBED as "questioning the patriotism" of Max Clelland. Did you give a transcript of the ad? No. For very good reason--it would destroy your case.

There is a big difference between "questioning patriotism" and saying that a policy prescription is "bad for the country". Your opponent may be advocating something that is bad for the country for many reasons, but most likely because he is mistaken. Your saying it is "bad for the country" is NOT questioning his patriotism unless you also say that he advocates it BECAUSE HE KNOWS it is bad for the country AND HE WANTS IT to be bad for the country.

Dissent isn't the "highest form of patriotism". It can be patriotic, treasonous, or neutral, like virtually any other action. And leftists seem to unable to disagree with anyone about anything without characterizing them as stupid or evil.

It was Paul Krugman who called voting against cap and trade "treason to the planet". You will find no case of Bush or Cheney using those kinds of words about their opponents regarding Iraq.

Cheney says Obama's approach to the War on Terror is wrong and will make Americans unsafe. How many on the left used the exact same words about Iraq. He did NOT say Obama hates America and wants Americans to die.

It was MoveOn.Org that ran the "General Betray-Us" ads.

[Rob Crawford]

"If you want to suggest that the right doesn't portray the left as being Un-American or unpatriotic almost with every breath they take then there is nothing that will convince you."

That was never the argument.

But then, lefties do so love the flavor of strawmen.

[Anon]

As far back as 2002, Rush Limbaugh, in words very close to those used by The Wall Street Journal last week, accused Tom Daschle, then the Senate majority leader, of a partisan "attempt to sabotage the war on terrorism."

December 2001: In response to Democratic plans to question parts of the USA Patriot Act during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, John Ashcroft suggests that people who disagree with the administration's anti-terrorism policies are on the side of the terrorists. "To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil."

February 2002: Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle expresses mild disagreement with US anti-terror policies, saying US success in the war on terror "is still somewhat in doubt." In response, Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) says that Daschle's "divisive comments have the effect of giving aid and comfort to our enemies by allowing them to exploit divisions in our country."

May 2002: After the disclosure that President Bush received a general warning about possible Al Qaeda hijackings prior to 9/11, Democrats demand to know what other information the administration had before the attacks. In response, White House communications director Dan Bartlett says that the Democratic statements "are exactly what our opponents, our enemies, want us to do."

September 2002: Campaigning against Democrats who did not support his legislation to create the Department of Homeland Security (a department whose creation he had previously opposed), President Bush said that "the Senate is more interested in special interests in Washington and not interested in the security of the American people."

September 2004: As John Kerry steps up his criticism of the Bush administration's handling of Iraq and the war on terror, Republicans repeatedly suggest that he is emboldening the enemy. Senator Zell Miller (D-GA) says that "while young Americans are dying in the sands of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, our nation is being torn apart and made weaker because of the Democrats' manic obsession to bring down our Commander in Chief." President Bush says, "You can embolden an enemy by sending a mixed message... You send the wrong message to our troops by sending mixed messages." And Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) claims that terrorists "are going to throw everything they can between now and the election to try and elect Kerry," adding that Democrats are "consistently saying things that I think undermine our young men and women who are serving over there."

July 2005: Senator Dick Durbin states that a description of US interrogation procedures at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility sounds like something "done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others." Presidential adviser Karl Rove responds by suggesting that Durbin and other liberals seek to put US troops in danger, saying that "Al Jazeera now broadcasts the words of Senator Durbin to the Mideast, certainly putting our troops in greater danger. No more needs to be said about the motives of liberals."

November/December 2005: With critics of the war in Iraq growing increasingly vocal, Republicans lash out, suggesting that Democrats are encouraging the enemy and want to surrender to terrorists. President Bush says that "These baseless attacks send the wrong signal to our troops and to an enemy that is questioning America's will." Rep. J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ) states that "Many on the Democratic side have revealed their exit strategy: surrender" and Rep. Geoff Davis (R-KY) says that "[T]he liberal leadership have put politics ahead of sound fiscal and national security policy. And what they have done is cooperated with our enemies and are emboldening our enemies."

After DNC chairman Howard Dean says "The idea that we're going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong," Republicans reiterate the same line of attack. House Speaker Dennis Hastert says Dean "made it clear the Democratic Party sides with those who wish to surrender" and GOP chairman Ken Mehlman says Dean's statement "sends the wrong message to our troops, the wrong message to the enemy, the wrong message to the Iraqi people."

January 2006: President Bush suggests that "defeatists" on Iraq are disloyal by contrasting them with a "loyal opposition," stating that the American people "know the difference between a loyal opposition that points out what is wrong, and defeatists who refuse to see that anything is right."

March 2006: Senator Russ Feingold introduces a motion to censure President Bush. In response, Republicans suggest that he is harming national security and endangering US troops. RNC chairman Ken Mehlman says that "Democrat leaders never miss an opportunity to put politics before our nation's security" and that they would "would rather censure the President for doing his job than actually fight the War on Terror," refers to "repeated Democrat attempts to weaken these efforts to fight the terrorists and keep American families safe," and states that "Democrats should to be focused on winning the War on Terror, not undermining it with political axe-grinding of the ugliest kind." Senator John Cornyn adds that the resolution would "make the jobs of our soldiers and diplomats harder and place them at greater risk."

June 2006: In response to Democratic calls for a timeline for withdrawal from Iraq, President Bush suggests that Democrats want to surrender. "There's a group in the opposition party who are willing to retreat before the mission is done," he said. "They're willing to wave the white flag of surrender. And if they succeed, the United States will be worse off, and the world will be worse off." However, Bush adviser Dan Bartlett is unable to name a single Democrat to which this description applies.

[Anon]

Any questions?

Or are you going to say that the list of quotes doesn't attempt to paint Democrats as unpatriotic?

[kcom]

Yeah, Obama is trying to pull a Thelma & Louise on us (jump into the driver's seat, aim for the cliff edge, and push the pedal through the floor) and we're supposed to sit back and enjoy the ride. I don't think so. I don't know about you but I haven't yet come down with Stockholm Syndrome and I don't want my kidnapper to succeed. Whatever it takes to pry his crazy-ass lead foot off the gas pedal is what we need. And if we can do that, America can succeed and not fail. And we won't wind up at the bottom of the cliff in a smoking pile of debris that used to be our prosperity. Call me crazy, but I think it's patriotic to prevent something like that.

[Troll Hunter]

As Anon so ably demonstrates, Demos really do have proven track record of anti-patriotism. You go girl!

H^ll, you just know a thread is gonna be fun when the first commenter is none other than Preparation "S".

[Joan in Juneau]

Please tell me when patriotism meant supporting a government that is doing harm to the people of that country. I see patriotism as supporting the country itself, that means the people of the country, and the Constitution of that country. This country was born out of a rebellion against a government that abused the people and denied their rights. Of the people, by the people and FOR the people. NOT of the government, by the government and for the government.

[Slide]

ahhhh.... so revealing the posts of wingnuts. They practically froth at the mouth claiming how horrible and unpatriotic the left is while at the same time denying that they do that? Its truly remarkable reading the low level of intelligence and understanding exhibited by the wingnut segment of the right (not all conservatives, not all republicans, not all on the right).

Lets take Good Lt. for example who exemplifies the moronic right. He said, "O RLY? Who ran on the platform of HOPE AND CHANGE? McCain? HOPE AND CHANGE. Your boy, jackass, ran on CHANGE. He's the one who wanted to "CHANGE" America."

Yeah? So? The COUNTRY wanted change from the worst President in history. They craved change from the failed policies of right wing leadership. They voted for change in record numbers. That IS America. That is democracy. That is the very essence of what being a patriot means. This is somehow a bad thing? Don't you want change NOW? What is your point ?

North Dallas and Good Lt. are neck and neck in the running for the most idiotic and moronic comments. Who will win? Stay tuned. ND30 your up. Lets see if you can top Good Lt's

[Jamie Gumm]

I have a question. Why do you insist on equating borderline treasonous statements by Democrats during a War with Republicans criticizing Obama's policies? Are you just too stupid or just too ignorant to know the difference? That's my question. Here's another: Can you answer it without cutting and pasting more evidence that the Dems you cite would have been hung from trees 150 years ago?

[Dave Lawrence (please use mustanger80)]

Along with at least two or three of what I imagine must be hundreds of examples of attacks on the patriotism of those critical of the conduct of the war in Iraq, I'm really interested in actually seeing some of the examples of "Rovian tactics". And I mean SPECIFIC, not implied examples.

As for the AINOs (Americans in Name Only) declaring that they'll no longer go into a gun fight with a knife or turn the other cheek: compared to the offensive and dishonest tactics of the left over the past eight years, the right has been a collective model of forbearance.

mustanger80

[anon]

I think the point is that it is wrong to question people's patriotism because they don't agree with you, even if you believe that what they believe is going to destroy the country.

Obama is not unpatriotic and neither are the Democrats.

What they are is deluded and deeply wrong.

The Republicans should never have insinuated that anyone who was against the Iraq War, against Gitmo, against waterboarding, against the Patriot Act was unpatriotic, treasonous, or giving aid and comfort to the enemy. They should have been able to come up with more logical and more adult criticisms.

Now, when the Democrats question their patriotism for not supporting the Dems policies, its hard to take them too seriously, because they did exactly the same thing to the Democrats not too long ago.

The goal should be to learn from history and to stop name calling whether you are in or out of power and focus on the wrongness of the policy not the patriotism of the person who champions it.

I feel like I am talking to a bunch of fith graders.

[Jamie Gumm]

DNC chairman Howard Dean says "The idea that we're going to win this war is an idea that unfortunately is just plain wrong..."

Senator Dick Durbin states that a description of US interrogation procedures at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility sounds like something "done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime -- Pol Pot or others."

Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle says US success in the war on terror "is still somewhat in doubt."

Harry Reid says " This war is lost".

That kind of remark, from elected officials of my enemy, would give me aid and comfort and increase my desire to continue fighting.

"Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort..."

Of course, by their own words posted above, Libs thought Bush was the enemy, so they give themselves a pass. Lincoln would have handled them nicely.

[Slide]

"I feel like I am talking to a bunch of fith graders."

You are more generous than I am.

It is clear that anon and I have differing viewpoints on Obama and the Dems. He thinks they are misguided and they will harm our country with their policies. I disagree with him but I can respect that opinion completely. No one has a crystal ball to know what will and what will not be in the country's interest in the long run. I have no problem with those on the right that have differing views but unfortunately that is not enough for a good portion of the right. They have to demonize those of us that have differing views. They suggest that we WANT to destroy the country or LOSE the war.

When you question my motives, my patriotism, my love of country, my morality or my principles just because you disagree with my view of the world well then you've created an enemy. You've created someone that wants to turn the tables and not only defeat you electorally but destroy you. That is where we are. It is unfortunate for the country. But I, and my liberal brethren, are NOT going to turn the other cheek and take it for the sake of comity. Too far gone for that.

[Assistant Village Idiot]

Good Lt. I would update that quote, as nationalism, and patriotism, were the new expansive ideas of the 18th C. Today I would say "Transnationalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

I think people disposed of slide's and anon's arguments pretty thoroughly, BTW. Just because an arguer hasn't admitted defeat doesn't mean he's got anything left. Some bloggers eventually did question the patriotism of those on the left. That was well into the Bush years, not made by the Administration or anything close to its representatives (thought there were statements twisted to that effect), and...and...

And absolutely true on the basis of what lefties eventually got around to saying.

[Slide]

Jamie Gumm lists a whole bunch of quotes from Dems and then suggests they give aid and comfort to the enemy and therefore are treasonous. Ok. Stupid, but ok. But... I though the whole argument here was that the right didn't do this.... LOL

Guys... guys.... guys.. you can't have it both ways? make up your freakin mind. The wingnuts in this thread have basically said two things:

1) you can't prove that republicans ever called critics of the war unpatriotic

2) dems are unpatriotic because they were critical of the war

lol...... can both of these memes be correct? lol.. guys do you see how unbelievably foolish you all seem? You are becoming a joke... irrelevant to rational discussion. The Dems are going to be in power a long long time if this is any indication of the quality of your thinking

[Philip McDaniel]

"If you want to suggest that the right doesn't portray the left as being Un-American or unpatriotic almost with every breath they take then there is nothing that will convince you."

The thing is, Slide, we don't have to portray you leftist as anything -- you do it so well yourselves. Feel cozy there, Slide, along side leaders of governments such as those in Iran, Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Nicaragua, Cuba and other places around the globe that we are now apparently snuggling up with? Feel warm and fuzzy trashing Honduran Democracy for stopping a fascist takeover?

But I'll make it plain to you...just in case you don't get the message: IMO, you leftists are a threat to world peace and to the United States of America. Your "members" of the Administration [lets not name names], Senators and Congresspersons should be tried for treason and at the very least thrown out of office.

"Tired of going to a gun fight with a knife. Sorry that we have to get down in the gutter with Rovian politics but we are NOT going to just turn the other cheek anymore."

Oh really? OK, bring the gun!

[Slide]

Half the comments from the wingnuts say that Dems are unpatriotic.

The other half of the comments from the wingnuts say the right never calls Dems unpatriotic.

LOL... guys do you see how unbelievably foolish you are? You are becoming totally irrelevant to rational discussion. You are delusional sore losers that whine and cry about everything... Poor babies... I feel your pain.

VIVA REVOLUTION TEABAGGERS

[Fatty Bolger]

Thanks anon & slide for those examples. So what have we learned? Republicans might question your patriotism if you undermine the war effort, national security, or side with countries that are anti-American. Democrats might question your patriotism if you don't support higher taxes, tax & cap schemes, bailouts, government officials running corporations, and other policies pushed by a President from an opposing party.

By the way anon, that dastardly Patriot Act, foisted on an unsuspecting country by Bush and eeeevvilll Republicans? It passed the Senate 98-1, and the house 357-66. Just thought you should know.

[Respawn]

Well slide, y'all may not LIKE that some of us "question your patriotism," but I guess my response to that is a heartfelt "So what? Big fuckin' deal. Get the fuck over yourself. Grow a pair." And, frankly, when economic and historical illiterates such as yourself espouse and try to impose policies which are PROVABLY and DEMONSTRABLY bad for the country, the economy, our individual rights and our personal liberty, guess what? I QUESTION YOUR FUCKING PATRIOTISM. And your judgment. And your good faith. Are there some on the left who TRULY believe that nationalized, government-run health care will somehow be "better"? Yeah, hard as it is to believe, there ARE a few people that stupid. Your Obamessiah may be one of them. His economic advisors most certainly are not. They want Obamacare, cap and tax, "stimulus" and similar socialist idiocies for one reason, and one reason ONLY: They will further shore up Democrat Party political power by increasing the ranks of those sucking at the government teat. I would question their patriotism, but they have none to question.

So which is it? Are you just stupid, or are you unpatriotic???

Anon, unfortunately, you are absolutely correct - the Republican Party abandoned any claim to principle, fiscal discipline, small government or intellectual honesty - that being why most of us conservative/libertarians are HOPING for another party - the Republicans are "Democrat-Lite." They suck only SLIGHTY less than the Obamabots. But Ron Paul???!?!?!?! He's an anti-semite, 9-11 troofer, gold standard whackjob. Just because he backs SOME positions that I happen to agree with does NOT make him sane - even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then.

[Jamie Gumm]

And so Slide dissolves into feigned empathy, laughable contradictions and predictable projection, and the close with the favorite "LOL"...and thus another troll and his fellow travelers - moving goalposts and straw men - washes under the bridge. S'long, S'lide!

[Slide]

Philip McDaniel (got that Homeland Security, Philip McDaniel) said: "But I'll make it plain to you...just in case you don't get the message: IMO, you leftists are a threat to world peace and to the United States of America. Your "members" of the Administration [lets not name names], Senators and Congresspersons should be tried for treason and at the very least thrown out of office."

there you go. Our elected officials, doing what their constituents obviously want them to do, should be tried for treason. I guess because Philip McDaniel doesn't agree with majority rule.

Yes, lets all have a rational discussion about tax policy shan't we? lol

[Gabriel Hanna]

Not one of those quote "questions patriotism". They say only that their opponents are doing the wrong thing. Not one quote says or implies that Democrats are doing the wrong thing BECAUSE THEY KNOW IT IS WRONG. That actually would be "questioning patriotism".

Of course leftists can't tell the difference--to them anyone who disagrees is stupid or evil.

[Jamie Gumm]

Another jackass who eats his weight in strawmen. The feigned empathy, the arrogant dismissal, the moving goalposts, the blatant projection...and so another troll floats by under the bridge, consumed by his own ignorance. S'long S'lide!

[Slide]

Ok. Now it is my turn. Philip Mcdaniel I think you are un-American, unpatriotic, and a little piece of scum. Now go an find some little fascist dictatorship that is more to your liking. Perhaps N. Korea will suit you as I think they will fit in quite nicely with your world view as you are certainly are not what I think of as an American. I have three words for you PHILIP MC DANIEL.... GFY

[Slide]

Hey Gabriel Hanna read the post two above yours and tell me again how no one is questioning patriotism. Are you all lunatics or just have the reading comprehension of a flea

[WVUinMN]

Slide is a typical left-wing slime merchant. Cite left-wing editorials, published in left-wing rags, who base their editorial opinions on what? At best, an unamed source with an axe to grind against the Administration. Here are the facts...Despite 4 investigations concerning pre-war intelligence, 3 of them bi-partisan, not a single shred of evidence was produced supporting the left-wing "Slide-approved" meme, "Bush lied, soldiers died". Secondly, DC based Democrats, elected or selected, continually worked against the Bush Administration's efforts regarding the WOT. Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson, Jay Rockefeller, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Jack Murtha, Pete Starks, etc.

Rockefeller admitted to informing the leaders of Saudi Arabia, Syria and Jordan that "...in his opinion..." the US was going to invade Iraq...over ONE YEAR before we actually did!
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2005/11/012110.php
This is a sitting US Senator, mind you, not Sean Penn or Fat Bastard shooting a documentary.

And then we have Joe Wilson and his lovely wench. First off, how in the hell did the CIA determine that a former ambassador was qualified to lead a weapons inspection effort? Then the SOB comes home, lies about what he DID manage to find in order to embarass the President, and faces ZERO consequences for his disgraceful behavior.
http://archive.redstate.com/story/2006/4/11/1475/16135
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/006/266weygj.asp
http://www.nationalreview.com/may/may200407121105.asp
And yeah, his wife is a coniving bitch, whose own self promotion "blew her cover", and the only person to pay a price...Scooter Libby.
http://www.nationalreview.com/levin/levin200507181123.asp

All of theses articles cite either A. Senate Intelligence Reports, B. News Paper sources independent of the writer's employer.

And btw, as for calling into question the patriotism of the left...I don't question their patriotism, I simply refer to them as traitors, for that is what they truly are.

[Philip McDaniel]

"Ok. Now it is my turn. Philip Mcdaniel..."

LOL! Son, you're so far out of your league you're pitiful.