He's Going Down, Down Down

Name that tune. If you're Obama it's sounding like a funeral dirge right about now. But it's far from over. The guy gets to sit there for four years and a lot can happen. He might even buy a clue as to what it means and takes to be in the WH. But who knows. Carter couldn't learn. Whether Obama can or not remains to be seen. Enjoy the moment. But it's only one of many more to come, unfortunately, for us and America, that is. He's still a collectivist through and through and I don't look for that to change. My biggest concern is that he actually learns how to sell the crap and get it passed Congress, too.

The poll news was flying around the blogosphere on Wednesday as slack-jawed conservatives and nervous liberals picked through the numbers. The Wall Street Journal reported that Obama’s approval rating had dropped to 53 percent, from 61 percent in April. But that wasn’t the worst of it:

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[North Dallas Thirty]

Looks like Americans are becoming more and more racist.

After all, anyone who doesn't support everything that Obama does is a racist white male who's angry and upset that a black man is President.

Right Wally, Slide, Nishner, Islamo, and our other liberals?

[Ran]

Slide in the polls, huh? It's because his crap won't sell. At some point, a Brand is tarnished by the garbage under its label.

[anon]

I'm starting to wonder if maybe Obama isn't as 'brilliant' as everyone believes him to be. He rant a virtually flawless campaign, but that was aided significantly by the media refusing to investigate or report on anything negative and that has not happened since the 1970s...so in hindsight, maybe Obama's campaign instincts are not as great as everyone thought because he was never confronted with any serious scandals or incidents...anything negative that does/did exist was immediately marginalized and attributed to racism.

There is also a big difference between being a good campaigner and governing. So far, Obama doesn't seem to have learned much about governing, he is still campaigning. For f**c sake, now he's going to Elkhardt, after his beer photo opp, after his numerous town meetings and TV addresses to the nation. Ha, no wonder he doesn't have time to lobby for his health care bill or give the Dems any guidance on what he wants IN and what he doesn't care about.

I had expected he would do better w/his learning curve than so far, he is doing. He got the stimulus passed but that was due to the total frenzy of an unprecedented, unbelievable meltdown in the financial industry. I suspect even Brittany Spears could have gotten a stimulus bill passed.

He's doing a lot poorer on health care, but doesn't seem to care. Maybe he has a master plan to pull it all together or maybe he's just rolling with it. I believe the Dems will pass something, but it doesn't seem that Obama is really that vested in what it is...which is truly strange since whether he exercises leadership on it, whatever crap they pass will still be tagged to him.

Hard to say, but it doesn't look promising.

[Slide]

Is this a surprise to anyone? We all knew that his poll numbers will take a hit when trying to enact Health Care Reform. That is why he wanted to do it early in his term when he has astronomical poll numbers. He knew it was going to cost political capital. Very, very difficult to do. So many special interests aligned up against it and they have been hammering and hammering away. But, Obama will get a Health Care plan passed and that will be a HUGE achievement and something that nobody else could get done.

Not to blow the high you are on, but I suggest that you read the entire poll as you might not be so joyful at the end. Obama still gets very high ratings in many many areas and the Republicans get very low ratings. Hey, I see that the Quitter from Wasilla is down to a 32% approval rating in the poll. Damn... she is approaching Cheney territory.

read the entire poll guys and enjoy:

http://s.wsj.net/public/resources/documents/WSJ-NBC_Poll090729.pdf

[North Dallas Thirty]

Ah, the delusion of the liberal nutjob.

Remember back when Slide and his fellow puppets were quoting "poll" after "poll" claiming how Americans overwhelmingly supported "health care reform"? Remember how Slide was claiming that Obama's popularity was BECAUSE he supported "health care reform"?

It is completely contradictory that Obama could lose support pushing something that Slide claimed the vast majority of Americans support and was the basis of Obama's popularity.

Never fear, though; the delusional nutjobs just rewrite history.

"We all knew that his poll numbers will take a hit when trying to enact Health Care Reform."

Sort of like how Obama tries to claim that he never said it was a stimulus bill, that he never said unemployment would stop at 8%, that he never said he wouldn't raise taxes, that he never said Inspectors General should be protected from arbitrary firing.....

And notice how instead of dealing with those, Slide tries to attack Sarah Palin. You'd think he'd have something to say about Obama's lies, but as we all well know, Slide is incapable of criticizing Barack Obama. He and his fellow liberals are goose-stepping right along with their Barack Obama, insisting that everyone who criticizes Obama in any way is a racist.

[Nishner]

Gee, the insurance and pharmaceutical industries spend millions pounding his plan and the approval numbers drop. Amazing!

If he gets a health care plan through with a good public option, his numbers will go back up. If he doesn't, who knows. There's as much danger in health care reform failing for Republicans as Democrats.

[Lala]

Magna Cum Laude without the class standing means nothing, he might have been at the bottom, on a curve.
I never could understand why anyone thought his speeches were so great, I thought they were awful.
Anyway, now the illegals are picketing him and Napolitano. Too many promises that turned out to be lies.

[anon]

His approval numbers are dropping on health care because it has become evident even to the American public, notoriously uninterested in policy, that his plan does not contain any reasonable way to either pay for it or control the cost of it....which is exactly what the Congressional Budget Office said until Obama leaned on them to shut up about the facts...which is something...hmmm, worthy of Dick Cheney, eh...hiding facts, strong arming and silencing independent auditors when they don't agree w/you...

Yes, his number will go up when health care reform is passed, AT FIRST.

Once people figure out what it means for them financially and health care wise, he can forget it.

[Philip McDaniel]

"...which is exactly what the Congressional Budget Office said until Obama leaned on them to shut up about the facts..."
You're right. But this is to be expected in a Thugocracy -- exactly what we have; and thugs are essentially cowards and bullies. Just take a look at our foreign policies: bow and scrape to Iran and bully Honduras. Couple that with a narcissistic head of state and you have a dangerous mixture.

[Scott]

I don't know how Obama can get a clue ("He might even buy a clue as to what it means and takes to be in the WH.") First and most importantly, he has surrounded himself by philosophical clones, or at least, sycophants. All of them are on record as saying truly liberal, often very stupid, things. He has outsourced his programs to the most inept and liberal Congress in history, which is saying a lot. Pelosi and Reid. Sheesh. He has been influenced by, and supported, preached, and organized radicalism his entire life.

So what is the influence that will change him? When his poll numbers drop to Carter levels, he will no longer have anyone to protect him from the Chicago corruption that got him to the WH. By then, it will be too late to change.

[Nishner]

Fear not, Big Med and Big Insurers don't want any reform and will spend whatever it takes to stop any serious reform with their Republican minions will be right at their side.

We'll end up not with the health care system we deserve, but the one our profit driven insurers force on us. And a few years down the line, we'll either end up with some sort of single-player plan or our Health Care system will implode.

[Slide]

the Republicans were against Social Security
the Republicans were against Medicare
the Republicans were against Unemployment Insurance
the Republicans are against Health Care Reform

yawn

history will once again pass you by

[Ad rem]

Profit driven........oh, the horror! ;-)

[Charlotte]

Suck it you stupid libs. You can rant and rave and troll all you want.

In the end, this terrible travesty of a health care bill is going to DIE. The government does not belong in our end of life decision making. Period.

This guy in the WH is a white hater who is going to do everything he can to "pay back" whitey. Period. His actions speak very loudly.

I actually....almost....feel sorry when the libs find out that their savior, President Obama, goes down in flames and takes their stupid party with him.

Get the popcorn...!!!

[Slide]

"First and most importantly, he has surrounded himself by philosophical clones"

Elections have consequences spunky. Get used to it.

[Nishner]

Profit driven........oh, the horror! ;-)

It is when you pay for a medical policy, then try to use it, and discover your insurer really, really doesn't like paying medical bills.

"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House committee said."

[Slide]

"This guy in the WH is a white hater who is going to do everything he can to "pay back" whitey."

pay back whitey? for giving birth to him and raising him?

ahhhh. yes, another wingnut intellectual I see. Put your white hood back on and and quiet why don't you

[smitty]

I'm actually more concerned that he somehow sells a change of heart.
Think of the US as a un-bright spouse who keeps getting hornswaggled.
There is precedent.

[Charlotte]

Slide, why don't YOU READ some of what President Obama has written in his books? HELLO????

Oh, I forgot...he didn't really write it, did he? ***smirk***

He did, however, sit in church with a pastor who OPENLY hates America and whites. If you wish to argue that the O man isn't a racist...go ahead...but actions speak WAY louder than the words you use to defend him as you troll the conservative sites....

[Plumpplumber(balding)]

Some folks are afraid to say what they're thinking because the "racist" label has been a kiss of death. A blowhard type from Harvard has truly begun to educate us just who a real racist is. I reckon a lot of the people in the middle were willing to give Obama a chance, but their good nature has been taken advantage of. Now I know that those of us who had been listening understood Obama is a marxist, but average folks didn't have a clue.

On Fox, the talk is about the beer meeting with a severely pissed off Policeman. Falling poll numbers and dealing with the great unwashed.....well, buzzards are coming home to roost, and we, the people, can see his true colors. Kinda disgusting.

[xerocky]

"Hey, I see that the Quitter from Wasilla is down to a 32% approval rating in the poll. Damn... she is approaching Cheney territory."

When in doubt, bash Palin.

[xerocky]

"pay back whitey? for giving birth to him and raising him? "

Yes, the "typical white person"

[Ad rem]

"Put your white hood back on and and quiet why don't you."...(your grammar, not mine!)

Wow.....and you can start swinging your hammer and sickle!

[North Dallas Thirty]

"pay back whitey? for giving birth to him and raising him?"

It's not unusual by any means in the circles in which Obama runs and in the attitudes that he supports and endorses.

"Convinced that all whites were born tainted with the original sin of “skin privilege,” the fighting brigade of the New Left internalized racialist thinking as hatred of their own whiteness. “All white babies are pigs,” declared one Weatherman. On one occasion the feminist poet Robin Morgan was breast-feeding her son at the offices of the radical journal Rat. A Weatherwoman saw this and told her, “You have no right to have that pig male baby.” “How can you say that?” Morgan asked. “What should I do?” “Put it in the garbage,” the Weatherwoman answered."

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZWEwNWI4ZmU1N2E1OGVlZWIwZjVjNmQ2NWIwMzRlOGM=

And next:

"WellPoint's Blue Cross of California subsidiary and two other insurers saved more than $300 million in medical claims by canceling more than 20,000 sick policyholders over a five-year period, the House committee said."

So? Barack Obama openly supports denying people the healthcare for which they've paid premiums and taxes if it costs too much because he needs to "save money". Indeed, Nishner, you yourself have stated that you fully support denying people the healthcare for which they've paid to "save money" if you arbitrarily decide it's "over-prescribing".

Notice the pure and utter hypocrisy of leftists like Nishner; they are going to MANDATE that everyone have health insurance and pay the government for it, or pay a penalty tax -- but then they are going to arbitrarily deny care and cancel procedures if they think your healthcare costs too much.

[xerocky]

"But, Obama will get a Health Care plan passed and that will be a HUGE achievement and something that nobody else could get done."

Yeah, cause he's superman! Too bad superman don't know what's in his own bill. Slide, does it not embarrass you that his bill included a lot of the provisions that he ridiculed Hillary for?

You act like everybody hates him blindly, and fine I can see how you think that. But your love for him is beyone blind, you can't hear or smell either. It's bizarre. What did this guy do that makes you believe in him so? More than the Democrats in Congress do even? Do you just sit there in your chair chanting 'yes we can yes we can' over and over again?

[Slide]

you are all soooooo afraid of a black man aren't you? when you really get down to it that is what this it is all about. He represents a huge threat to the America as you envision it. You just can't stand it that world has passed you by, and that the American people have elected an African-American to the White House.

The hatred on the right is something to behold. And of course what the right always does is project their feelings onto their enemies. That is why so many "family value" wingnuts love to point fingers at other sexual indiscretions while they are engaging in the very same behavior. My favorite of course is your Senator Craig who was appalled at the prospect of gay marriage while he was feverishly tapping his foot in the hopes of getting a penis in his mouth. Same thing with the "Obama is a racist" meme. Of course you are going to call Obama a racist. It's rather predictable. But alas, it says so much more about yourselves than it will ever about Obama.

poor poor wingnuts. This is going to be a very unpleasant 8 years for you now isn't it?

[North Dallas Thirty]

Can I call it, or what? :)

After all, anyone who doesn't support everything that Obama does is a racist white male who's angry and upset that a black man is President.

Right Wally, Slide, Nishner, Islamo, and our other liberals?

Posted by: North Dallas Thirty | Thursday, July 30, 2009 at 01:32 PM

[Ad rem]

Oh....my.....God! Slide is Janeane Garofalo!

[North Dallas Thirty]

Meanwhile, let's show an example of what the liberal puppet Slide supports and endorses, along with his Barack Obama.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/03/25/MNDD16N9VP.DTL

All screaming racist. All cheering the death of white and Asian cops. And Slide and Barack Obama fully support and endorse this.

That's what "racism" is to liberals -- it's anyone who holds a black person accountable for their deeds. Take a look at what the scum Obama and his Party endorse and support.

http://michellemalkin.com/2005/11/02/the-vile-bile-we-have-to-put-up-with/

Meanwhile, Slide, the so-called former police officer, has been bashing the black police officers on the Cambridge force who stood up for Crowley, stating that these people are just helping another cop, that they'll do nothing but cover up corruption, that they won't enforce the law or contradict another police officer, that police officers always cover up for others.

[Nishner]

"Indeed, Nishner, you yourself have stated that you fully support denying people the healthcare for which they've paid to "save money" if you arbitrarily decide it's "over-prescribing"

BS. You must work for the Big Med / Big Insurance. You seem to specialize in attacks, lies and hate.

Nah, you're welcome to give Obama your support or not as you like. Your chants of "racism, racism, racism" get a bit tiring though. Obama's not a racist.

[North Dallas Thirty]

And let's show what Barack Obama supports and endorses being done out in front of a polling place.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jul/30/no-3-at-justice-okd-panther-reversal/?feat=home_cube_position1&

[North Dallas Thirty]

Meanwhile, Nishner, have you forgotten your statement here?

"Obama's statement is a hypothetical, and there's lots of evidence that doctors do over-prescribe drugs and procedures without improving the patient's health."

And then when you were cornered on that, the only thing you could blabber was this:

"You either distort or play the game of making the perfect the enemy of the good. Listen to you and we can never fix anything since nothing's ever going to be perfect."

And your fellow liberal puppet openly stated this:

"For a public plan to work, there's going to have to be some treatments that aren't covered due to expense."

Posted by: Sam the Plumber | Wednesday, July 15, 2009 at 10:21 PM

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2009/07/here-comes-health-care-rationing.html

Again, you are going to mandate that everyone pay taxes and fees for this "public plan", and then you're going to arbitrarily deny care because it "costs too much", even after they paid for it.

Now, rationing puppet, since you insist that it is immoral and wrong to deny anyone care after they've already paid for it, you are going to state that denial of care under the public plan, as your Obama supports and as you support, which every American is going to pay into, is immoral and wrong.

You can't. You won't. That's because this whole debate is not about health care; it's about welfare leftists like yourself getting your grubby, lazy hands on the money Americans pay for health care to fund your "redistribution" schemes. Your Obama wants to give free healthcare to criminals like his illegal-immigrant aunt at the expense of honest, taxpaying American citizens because she gives him campaign contributions and votes.

[Ad rem]

N. Dallas 30....

DOT...PERIOD...BINGO!!!

[Nishner]

No, the Public Plan will clearly define what's covered and what's not. You'll get what you pay for. Unlike private insurers, your rates won't go up when you actually use the coverage, you won't be denied coverage due to the sudden discovery of a pre-existing condition.

If you want supplementary insurance, you go to the private market.

We pay 50% more per capita for health care than any other country.

Explain what we're getting for all that money, cause it ain't better health care.

[Charlotte]

QED...you win, N. Dallas 30!!! SPOT ON!!!!

The money quote: "...it's about welfare leftists like yourself getting your grubby, lazy hands on the money Americans pay for health care to fund your "redistribution" schemes. TRUE THAT!!!!

LOVED IT!!!! Thank you!!!

Suck it Libs!!!

[Nishner]

Looks to me its the Big Medicine that's doing the redistribution

Per Capita Health Care and Life Expectancy by country

United States.....$6,096......78.11
Canada............$3,173......81.23
Japan.............$2,293......82.12
France............$3,040......80.98
Norway............$4,080......79.95
United Kingdom....$2,560......79.01

[Respawn]

Jeebus, Dan, but you get a REALLY low quality of liberal trolls, here. So far as I've seen, Wally, Slide, Nishner and Islamo haven't got a functioning brain cell between the four of them, and, like all liberals, they are allergic to facts, logic and thought.

But they are kinda fun to watch, in a sick sort of way - sorta like watching a fatal, 20 car pile-up on video - OVER AND OVER AND OVER again.

Slide, if you want to trumpet liberal successes, I would think long and hard before you give us Social Security (a giant Ponzi scheme, very quickly going broke), MEDICARE (WTF!?!?!??!?! Even OBAMA wants to get rid of Medicare)(also quickly going broke, BTW), unemployment insurance ("sit on my ass" insurance), and, now, health "care" "reform" (actually, health INSURANCE "reform," but why be picky?), which dies in the polls in exact correspondence to the amount of informaton the public has about it. Do Americans want to see SOME kind of health insurance "reform"? Sure. But, as with all policy initiatives, the devil is in the details. The overwhelming majority of Americans are already happy with THEIR health insurance; when they find out how badly Obama and Pelousy and Reid want to fuck it up, they want no part of it.

Liberals - can't buy a clue to save their lives.

[Anon]

Don't you guys EVER get tired of the same old talking points?

There is nothing, I repeat N O T H I N G in this current set of health care plans on the table that have any chance A N Y chance of cutting health care costs, let alone getting them down to those of Western Europe.

Do you really not understand that the public option is a Trojan Horse for single payer? And if you do, then fine, but admit it and stop talking about the plan as if the public option isn't going to eventually eliminate private/supplemental insurance for everyone but the rich.

[Nishner]

Those are the numbers. Explain why we're paying 50% more but dying at a younger age.

[mark l.]

i don't think the libs understand, his trajectory and momentum...

gop base is far smaller than the dem base-bush hovering at 32% reflects party loyalty.

barry will never get that low, but he is on pace to hit a floor of about 40-42%. love the teabagger jokes, but the protestors are remarkably older.

you cannot hold onto the house without having an advantage among the elderly for a midterm.

I pray healthcare as bambi envisions, passes. It can be chopped up later, as any dem who tries to obstruct it from a newfound minority position further enrages the elderly.

[Anon]

You're changing the subject. The point isn't whether we're dying at a younger age or why that might be, but that the current health care plan(s) do nothing to control costs and I will add, will do nothing to increase the life span of most Americans.

In ten years we will still be paying more per capita that Western Europe for health care which will be worse than it is today, the same way we pay more than Western Europe for education and get worse results.

[Nishner]

There are lots of people that think the Public Plan will save money.

http://foundationcenter.org/pnd/news/story.jhtml?id=259000012

[Xerocky]

"you are all soooooo afraid of a black man aren't you? when you really get down to it that is what this it is all about. He represents a huge threat to the America as you envision it. You just can't stand it that world has passed you by, and that the American people have elected an African-American to the White House."

And when the Palin bashing fails, back to racism. Wasn't it you yesterday who said that the racist tag was getting thrown around too much?
And what does any of this have to do with health care?
I'll be honest with you slide, I am afraid of a black man being president, but not for the reasons that you think. The reason is simply because no matter how bad he is (and he's bad) people will cry racism every time you point out how much he's screwing up. Bush didn't have that problem, people were free to tell him that he sucked 24-7-365 because he was white. Your inability to see how badly he's handling the health care issue (the cornerstone of the democratic platform!) really does prove that you hold him to a lower standard, which I'm sorry, but I'm not kidding, is a form of racism.

[anon]

Ya, a lot of people thought prohibition would reduce crime and improve productivity, too.

There were even some people, so I have heard, who believed that the invading and occupying American army would be greated by Iraqis as heroes and have roses thrown at their feet.

People are stupid and they are very easily led to believe what they want to believe, what sounds good or what makes them feel good or what they perceive is good for them.

[Slide]

"Liberals - can't buy a clue to save their lives."

funny that they managed to whip the the asses of the republicans in the last two elections.

[Xerocky]

"Explain what we're getting for all that money, cause it ain't better health care."

http://beltwayblips.dailyradar.com/story/world_briefing_europe_italy_berlusconi_has_heart/

Silvio Berlusconi who lives in the highly socialized Italy came to Ohio for heart surgery. My heath care is fine. I don't know what you're talking about. All you do is quote stats that are in a very real way, meaningless.

[Slide]

anon, "People are stupid and they are very easily led to believe what they want to believe"

well I can certainly agree with anon on that point. Both sides take advantage of the basic lack of knowledge most Americans have of what is going on in their country. Oh, ask them the name of Michael Jackson's doctor and they might know but ask them who is secretary of defense and you'll get silence. I hate to admit it but this country is very very dumb.

[Slide]

and don't take that personally respawn. but if the dunce cap fits, wear it.

[Ad rem]

"There are lots of people that think the Public Plan will save money."

Lots of people think Elvis is still alive too......

Enjoy the ride down!

[anon]

The saddest thing is that once some version of this monstrosity is passed and 10 years down the line it turns out that it does nothing its supporters said it would do: cut costs, improve outcomes, decrease ER visits...NONE of them will admit they were wrong.

They will simply find new excuses for why it didn't turn out that way that will almost certainly involve the need for more money, more taxes and more centralized control.

It will be just like it is with the stimulus..first we were created jobs, then we were saving or creating them...first it was a stimulus and now its stabilization, and by 2011 the best thing they will be able to say is that things would have been worse without it..a totally umprovable point.

Kinda like Bush claiming the patriot act 'saved lives' and 'prevented attacks'

Can't prove a negative, very convenient when trying to defend a failed policy.

Country: doomed.