Bush Caused 9/11 Not News, Birthers - Oh, Sure!

Update: Damn we think alike.

Funny how many nuts, with many on the Left, went on about how Bush planned 9/11 and cooperated with either the Saudis or Israel depending on your source, was never big news.

But the Birther story to distract everyone from Crowley-Gates - well, that's just great. And other than pointing to Memeorandum, where the topic being propped up by the Left, has been prominently displayed all day, I've nothing else to say, nor wil I link, or mention it, again.

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[Ad rem]

I'm still laughing hysterically over Slide's comment,"..........liberals are independent thinkers."

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Funny how many nuts, with many on the Left, went on about how Bush planned 9/11 and cooperated with either the Saudis or Israel depending on your source, was never big news.

But the Birther story to distract everyone from Crowley-Gates - well, that's just great. --"

I don't know which conspiracy theory is nuttier.
"Obama's parents faked a newspaper birth announcement so 40 years later he could run for President!"
or
"Lou Dobbs, Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, and large swaths of the GOP Congress are conspiring to cover up a black man getting wrongfully arrested for talking back to a police officer!"
Congressmen dodging the Birther Question:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1o1p_ly7Yw&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailykos.com%2F&feature=player_embedded

Seriously great stuff.
I mean, when you've got FOX News leading the charge on Obama-not-a-citizen-gate, it's clearly a lie-brul conspiracy!

Lulz.

[Slide]

Yep, them damn liberals are reporting what we are saying. Damn how unfair.

[Ran]

On the other hand, the MSM's consistently decreasing market share has reduced their influence tremendously. Even with all of the MSM's in the tank, and despite holding majorities in Congress and the spate of Czars in the WH, "progress" on Obama's agenda is stalling.

Does Birther-gate really matter? The questions about his birth and his actual citizenship will become moot. This Administration will be known for its massive - wide and deep - corruption and blatant law-breaking.

The question is evolving into not how much time the Prevaricator in Chief will serve in Office, but rather how much time he'll serve afterwards.

[Reaganite Republican]

The Birther issue obviously serves a purpose for Team Obama: if the entire Right can be portrayed as conspiratorial kooks, then the Dems have less to defend or explain re- unpopular policies like Cap-n-Tax and Obamacare.

It is a useful and timely diversion.

But maybe the pressure should be on Obama, no? He just needs to release his long form BC instead of spending a million dollars on attorneys to bury it, and everything will be fine.

But this is yet one more dishonest and cowardly way to divert attention from a real problem -horribly unpopular policy from our misguided Dear Leader.

And if push comes to shove... he knows we will shudder at the thought of President Plugs...

[Slide]

One of the differences between the Birther movement and the Truther movement of course is that we have a number of elected Republican officials that seem to be giving credence to the Birthers. I may have missed it, but I don't' recall any Senators or Congressmen saying that Bush planned 911. You guys bring this on yourself and then complain about the media reporting it.

[Slide]

" The LONG FORM birth certificate does satisfy the requirement. Why is that hard for Obambi-bots to comprehend?"

so stupid it hurts.

"In 2001 - the state of Hawaii Health Department went paperless. Paper documents were discarded. The official record of Obama's birth is now an official ELECTRONIC record Janice Okubo, spokeswoman for the Health Department told the Honolulu Star Bulletin, "At that time, all information for births from 1908 (on) was put into electronic files for consistent reporting," she said."

"A statement from October of last year from the Hawaii Director of Health Chiyome Fukino says, "I ... along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these types of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures." (Notice the lack of any wording to indicate that what they saw was a paper copy.)"

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/feature/2009/07/24/klein_dobbs/index.html

[bgates]

Julie from Traverse City,* Mich.: [O]nce we get you in the White House, would you please make sure that there is a thorough investigation of 9/11, and not—

[Howard] Dean: Yes.

Julie:—stonewall it?

Dean: There is a report which the president is suppressing evidence for which is a thorough investigation of 9/11.

Diane Rehm, WAMU (public) radio: Why do you think he's suppressing that report?

Dean: I don't know. There are many theories about it. The most interesting theory that I've heard so far, which is nothing more than a theory, I can't—think it can't be proved, is that he was warned ahead of time by the Saudis. Now, who knows what the real situation is, but the trouble is that by suppressing that kind of information, you lead to those kinds of theories, whether they have any truth to them or not, and then eventually they get repeated as fact. So I think the president is taking a great risk by suppressing the clear, the key information that needs to go to the Kean commission.

...

Byron York reported that Democratic National Committee chairman Terry McAuliffe says he believes radical filmmaker Michael Moore's assertion that the United States went to war in Afghanistan not to avenge the terrorist attacks of September 11 but instead to assure that the Unocal Corporation could build a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan for the financial benefit of Vice President Dick Cheney and former Enron chief Kenneth Lay.
In addition to McAuliffe, other Democrats at the Washington screening included Senate Minority Leader Tom Daschle, Iowa Sen. Tom Harkin, Montana Sen. Max Baucus, South Carolina Sen. Ernest Hollings, Michigan Sen. Debbie Stabenow, Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, New York Rep. Charles Rangel, Washington Rep. Jim McDermott, and others. Harkin told the Associated Press that all Americans should see the film. "It's important for the American people to understand what has gone on before, what led us to this point, and to see it sort of in this unvarnished presentation by Michael Moore."
...
Tina Brown on the same event:
Nobody raised a question about his film's wacky insinuations that Bush let Taliban thugs escape because of some previously concocted deal in Texas or let Osama bin Laden get away because of deep Bush connections to the bin Laden family. In Moore's version of Iraq nobody was hanging from a meat hook in Saddam Hussein's jails. Baghdad was a happy city where children frolicked in the streets until boom! we blew them away. The invasion of Afghanistan? That was just a cover for running an oil pipeline across the country.

[Slide]

interesting reading but that is not what the Truther movement is all about now is it. The Truthers believe the government was responsible for 9/11. What Democratic politicians supported that position?

[Mike2Cents]

I appreciate Dan essentially calling out birthers as nuts here.

[Mary Contrary]

Wow. A bunch of Congress Critters not saying they didn't like a movie is the same as believing the government was responsible for 9/11.

Just... wow.

[Peach]

The Birther nuts are now different than the Lefty Trig Truthers and Andrew Sullivan.

[Slide]

"I appreciate Dan essentially calling out birthers as nuts here."

Did he? point me to the part where he did that.

[Steve M.]

Name ten members of Congress who sponsored a 9/11 truther resolution. Go ahead. I'll wait.

[Troll Hunter]

Interesting. It was the Hillary camp that opened this issue moths before the McCain camp.

Since that time, two essential questions - birthplace and national citizenship - have emerged, both with very straightforward and elegant answers. If only...

... if only for a simple exposition of the long-form Birth Certificate and the Passport. Article II, Section I and all that. Only one individual has the power to pull them from his vest pocket.

[I've had to supply much more for far lesser status, and that without a Constitutional mandate - just a simple request from my employer, so I'm not warmly sympathetic to the doc holder's reticence on the issue...]

Birthers - those wacky guys - remind us that an Hawaiian COLB is legally distinct from the Hawwaiian CofB. Their point is really very simple: A Birth Certificate is just that, and a Passport is, too just, you know, a Passport. Occam's razor remains nice and sharp.

Call me a nut, call me WAY out of line... I just want him to fess-up two, small, simple documents.

H^ll, know what? I'll settle for the ACTUAL COLB rather than a "receipt." The COLB also lists Place of Birth, which need not be in Hawaii, uncomfortable as it seems.

The Left, in typical fashion, though, destroys the questioner when they know the question destroys their illusions. Which rather proves their vulnerability - the fact of their lie.

Whatever. I'm with Ran: It matters little. The IG issue alone could put Biden in the WH early. THAT is a scary thought all on it's own.

[mark l.]

"Name ten members of Congress who sponsored a 9/11 truther resolution."

the venue was provided, as requested by most members of congress, the 9/11 commission.

how many congressman said they "wanted the truth"?

[mark l.]

sorry, steve,

but wasn't it rather interesting that the most prominent family members of victims of 9/11 that we heard from were those who hated bush?

funny how they got to the front row, only to be shuttled over to msnbc studios.

the truthers didn't need a resolution, they needed proxies.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"I may have missed it, but I don't' recall any Senators or Congressmen saying that Bush planned 911."

Cynthia McKinney ring a bell?

Oh, we forgot; she's black, so she must be right.

[mark l.]

mckinney had a hearing in congress, after her departure from the house, on july 23, 2005.

http://www.house.gov/mckinney/news/pr050722.htm

the page has been deleted.

funny how a deposed/former congress critter, gets her own hearing, and that the records of the hearing have been scrubbed from house.gov.

[Jim Treacher]

Trust Obama.

[winston smith]

hey, we've been busting our ass for this country.

[GOP08_DOA]

LOL! How much more can the republican party be fractionalized? Pa-thetic!

[Steve J.]

nor wil I link, or mention it, again.

You won't have to, FAUX News and right-wing talk radio will keep this alive for months.

[mark l.]

"How much more can the republican party be fractionalized?"

religious voters, economic conservatives, federalists, and conspiracists...

the question I must ask,

How could you be so ignorant of the diveristy within the gop, that has ALWAYS existed?
a irony is that the democratic party offers a label of having a "big tent", which is a euphimism for the the same fractionalization.

should I infer the that the democratic party no longer features peace-niks, because their party is supporting a war in afghanstan, and missile strikes in pakistan?

ditto homosexuals, because the president is a supporter of black liberation theology, which does not favor recognition of homosexuals?

there are no fiscally conservative democrats, becuase the president's projected budget will double the entire deficit, accumulated over the past 200+ years and 43 other presidencies?

I would bet that over half the voters of 2008, voted exclusively out of fear of the other party's mission, and not as a tacit endorsement of any policy.

the rassmussen number that points this out is the strong approval/disapproval.

40% strongly dissapprove.
30% strongly approve.
19% simply approve.
10% simply disapprove.

the largest plurality, is the one that has the strongest feeling of opposition.

[mark l.]

should i infer than the dems are in complete agreement not to pursue criminal charges against the bush admin, thus dismissing the 'conspiracy nuts'(kieth olbermann)within their own party?

i wish the "bush-haters" would speak up a little more, just so that i can laugh at their feeble attempt at getting revenge. maybe we can hold the "birther" hearings at the same time we have those bush trials.

[Slide]

"the venue was provided, as requested by most members of congress, the 9/11 commission. how many congressman said they "wanted the truth"?"

ahhhh.... I see. So if a congressman said they "wanted the truth" about 911 that means they are Truthers.... Got it. Thanks mark

this is exactly what Bob means when he says that many on the right argue in bad faith. Mark knows damn well that that is absurd but it doesn't matter. We'll just throw it out there for the dim lightbulbs. Hey, if they believe Obama wasn't born in Hawaii they'll believe anything. Right?

[xerocky]

Why can't we see his college transcripts?

Look, call me nuts, but if they wanted to they could have released his college transcripts and his long form and all of this would be gone...

but they didn't. What about Obama's college years is so bad that they would want to seal it up forever? Just print the long form Birth Cert, release the college transcripts and it's over. Wha laa!

See, I don't care if he was or wasn't born here. He sucks in a very basic way and he's our president and that's that. But don't try to tell me that the Democrats have been forthright about this issue because they haven’t. It’s like that email that was going around where they said he was the anti Christ. I said at the time, I don’t know or not know that at this point, but I know that the guy has zero experience. That part is just a fact.

And asking for this stuff isn't at all unreasonable, face it. The guy's had more than one name, and his past is very murky. That's not up for debate. It truly is murky. So, folks want to know. Why do the Democrats have a problem with that?

I’ll say it one more time: My job requires me to have a security clearance. To obtain that clearance I needed to show my LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE. I didn’t have the option of having somebody from the state I was born in call up the FBI and tell them that I was legit. We can all agree that my job isn’t as important as Barry’s. So again, why can’t we see the long form, why can’t we see his college transcripts?

Please just answer the question. No sarcasm, no jokes about me needing to take my meds. Just a clear answer to why Obama is held to lower standards than I am. Why are the democrats so upset that the people of the United States want to know these things? That’s and not necessarily the B.C. is the question.

[xerocky]

"Thanks mark

this is exactly what Bob means when he says that many on the right argue in bad faith."

Remember the other night when Obama made the "stupid" remark? He opened with this statement about health care saying that "it's not about me, I have good heath care, I'm the President of the United States"

Did anyone really say that he didn't have health care? Or were they really trying to say that he knows not what's in his own bill, and getting it passed by 8/1 was just his giant ego talking?

So, either he was making an arguement in bad faith, or he's a retard.

[Slide]

"Please just answer the question. No sarcasm, no jokes about me needing to take my meds."

Ok, I'll try to answer one more time without any snark. There is NO LONG FORM BIRTH CERTIFICATE" to produce. How many times do you have to be told. They were ALL destroyed and only the electronic versions, of which we have a copy, remain. Here is a very very comprehensive article on the matter. Now, if you don't want to accept it, that's fine. That just tells me that you are not a rational human being.

http://www.starbulletin.com/columnists/kokualine/20090606_kokua_line.html

[Mike2Cents]

Slide -
re:
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"I appreciate Dan essentially calling out birthers as nuts here."
Did he? point me to the part where he did that.
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Dan draws a correlation between the Truther nuts and the Birther nuts to suggest a media bias.
He would be able to make that point without equating the 'nuts'-ness of both conspiracies.
so....

Also, to all those who say 'just show the long form and this all goes away' (some who believe the absurdity and some who are frustrated that BO just doesn't provide it to shut up the nuts) -
This would NOT shut up the nuts, as they are playing a moving target game.
Joseph Farrah, WND founder or something and prime Birther nut says:
"The most important document is the long-form birth certificate. The computer-generated certification he posted on his website proves nothing. But, personally, I believe if a birth certificate confirms his life story, that he is indeed the son of Barack Obama Sr. and Stanley Ann Dunham, that his "natural born citizenship" is still very much in doubt."

So this will of course go on regardless of anything BO or anyone provides.
So it's understandable that BO etc. can't and shouldn't be bothered with this silliness.

see:
link: http://www.examiner.com/x-5325-Orlando-Republican-Examiner~y2009m7d6-Wheres-the-birth-certificate-An-interview-with-Joseph-Farah

[Mike2Cents]

sorry, typo -
i of course meant -
"He would NOT be able to make that point without equating the 'nuts'-ness of both conspiracies."

[xerocky]

"They were ALL destroyed "

Exactly, how convenient. The dog ate my homework, I voted "present". I don't know where my college transcripts are. I don't have a copy of my college thesis. I never wrote a scholarly paper before I was made head of the Harvard law review. I don't have all the facts but I'm siding with my friend anyhow. The contract went to a contributor. I don't know where that money came from. It's just sloppy paperwork. He's not the Jeremiah Wright/Felger/ect. that I knew. I'm a christian. Bill Clinton is a racist.I never really went to that church. I'm not a muslim/the call to prayer is the most beautiful sound in the world. Before today I was never proud of god damm America I don't know Bill Ayres that well (although I wrote a blurb for his book). ect. ect. ect. I could go on and on.

But, I'm rational. Whatever. The simple fact is that I received a more comprehensive vetting for my job (as you probably did for being a cop) than he did his. Fact.

[North Dallas Thirty]

The answer is very simple: since liberals and Barack Obama support and endorse Andrew Sullivan, DailyKos, and the Obama Party base that they represent who are screaming and crying and demanding Sarah and Trig Palin's actual birth certificates, complete medical records, DNA tests, and witnesses, then they can do the same for Obama.

But of course, that would be requiring a black man to follow the rules he imposes on others, and that is racist, according to the liberals and the Obama Party.

[Slide]

"Dan draws a correlation between the Truther nuts and the Birther nuts to suggest a media bias."

why doesn't he come out directly and say that though? Perhaps the same reason all those GOP congressmen were avoiding the Huffington Post resporter that was trying to ask them that very question? Will it alienate a big chuck of the "nutty" right?

Come one Dan, clear it up for us all. What is your position on the Birther movement. Inquiring minds want to know.

[Xerocky]

"Come one Dan, clear it up for us all. What is your position on the Birther movement. Inquiring minds want to know."

Why does he need to answer? It's a story, plain and simple. You don't have to have an opinion on it. It could be true, it could not be true. Either way, it's Obama who's acting funny about it. Not the people who want to know.

It was destroyed? Where's HIS COPY? I mean, I'm no community organizer, but I have mine... I'm just a "personal organizer" I guess. I'm the type of guy who pays his parking tickets ON TIME. I find that the longer that you let things go, the more that they bite you in the ass in the end, so it's always best to take care of small problems when they're still small. I learned that in the B.S.A., an organization which I'm proud to have been a part of...but I digress...

Isn't a little odd that the long form was destroyed a) at all b) in 2001 (if indeed it was) right after Obama gave his amazing keynote address at the Democratic convention? I mean, this guy who is by all accounts remarkable comes to prominence, and THEN they destroy his birth certificate??

[Slide]

"Why does he need to answer?"

errrr... isn't that what bloggers do? Opine?

[xerocky]

"errrr... isn't that what bloggers do? Opine? "

Not always. What's the point of making a decission when you don't have all the facts? The point of the whole thing is that people want the facts, you don't need to say one way or another what you believe.

I was wrong by the way. Obama's keynote address was in 2004, not 2000. I remembered it incorrectly. It's my mistake.

It's still weird that CNN said that they destroyed it when there was no reason to say that they did.

http://www.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/20090728/NEWS01/907280345/Hawaii+officials+confirm+Obama%E2%80%99s+original+birth+certificate+still+exists

Why would they do that?

[Mike2Cents]

I am pretty certain DR doesn't believe any of the birther nonsense...and sees it as just that.
What doesn't he come out and say that?
Well maybe for the same reasons lots of republican congressmen etc. dance around giving a clear answer...they want to avoid an argument and perhaps fallout with a growing % of their constituency.
At some point they will have to slap back these folks...and strongly. If come 2010 this wackness hasn't receded back into the swamps it came from, then DR etc. will have an even bigger mess to clean up in the GOP than they do now.

[xerocky]

"I am pretty certain DR doesn't believe any of the birther nonsense...and sees it as just that.
What doesn't he come out and say that?
"

You don't get it. There is nothing to believe or not belive. The "birthers" don't believe anything either. The only thing 'we' believe is that he should be able to show his long form B.C. and for some strange reason he can't. I don't think or not think anything about it, the only thing that I, or Lou Dobbs for that matter thinks is that he should just cough it up.

But for some strange reason he won't.

Your turn.