ObaDOJ Loves Voter Fraud

This really shouldn't come as a surprise from the DOJ of a former ACORN guy. Well, he's not really former, now is he? Legal voters? We're just here to pay the bills for Obama's social engineering. But when it comes to electing who gets to run the show, any warm body that can make it across the border will do. Michelle has more details. I'm increasingly convinced this guy will do anything he can to run this country into the ground.

ATLANTA — The Justice Department has rejected Georgia's system of using Social Security numbers and driver's license data to check whether prospective voters are citizens, a process that was a subject of a federal lawsuit in the weeks leading up to November's election.

In a letter released on Monday, the Justice Department said the state's voter verification program is frequently inaccurate and has a "discriminatory effect" on minority voters. The decision means Georgia must halt the citizenship checks, although the state can still ask the Justice Department to reconsider, according to the letter and to the Georgia secretary of state's office.

"This flawed system frequently subjects a disproportionate number of African-American, Asian and/or Hispanic voters to additional, and more importantly, erroneous burdens on the right to register to vote," Loretta King, acting assistant attorney general of the Justice Department's civil rights division, said. King's letter was sent to Georgia Attorney General Thurbert Baker on Friday.

The decision comes as Georgia awaits word on whether a law passed in the spring that requires newly registering voters to show proof of citizenship will pass muster with DOJ. Under the law that takes effect in January, people must show their proof up front compared to doing checks through databases.

Comments

[mark l.]

any chance the doj could tell us how many illegals they prosecuted for voting in the past couple of years?

this is the same doj that dropped charges against the archetype of voter intimidation committed by black panthers in pa.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Amazing. Holder's DOJ will be attacking employers who don't verify the citizenship/right to work and identity of their employees, but attacks governments who seek to verify that people who want to vote are citizens.

Next step, Bob and IslamoLlama will be showing up to tell us why people shouldn't have to be citizens to vote and that insisting that they are is "racist". We already know Obama supports legal working citizens having to pay higher taxes so that criminals like his aunt can receive free healthcare, subsidized housing, government jobs, and fat welfare checks.

[nell]

Isn't it touching how liberals love minorities. Why, to make voting easier for them, they'll even use the racist argument that minorities are so incompetent that it's unfair to expect them to provide even the simplest forms of I.D.

[Bob]

Exactly, mark. It hasn't even been demonstrated how significant of a problem it is that illegals are voting in Georgia. Is it a significant problem? Do Riehl or Malkin have any data that tells us exactly how many fraudulent votes these citizenship tests are preventing?

Lori Minnite, a professor of political science at Barnard College, did a study of voter fraud prosecutions during the Bush administration between 2002 to 2005, and found that only 26 people were convicted of criminal voting. Contrast that with likely hundreds or thousands of LEGAL voters who could be disenfranchised because they may lack easily accessible proof of citizenship.

Of course, the entire voter fraud issue is a Republican scam to suppress voting by LEGAL citizens, over a non-issue that accounted for fewer than 10 criminal cases per year. It's 10 cases of true voter fraud per year vs. hundreds or thousands of legal voters being denied their voting rights. If you look at the numbers, it's obvious that this is just a Republican scam.

[lala]

Well, nell, they are the products of the democrat-run schools.

[seekeronos]

And the funny thing is not that Georgia is so much swarming chock-a-block with Mexicans and Central American migrant workers... it is more about the ACORNistas who want to let their minions (bought and paid for with small jugs of cheap liquor and cigarettes and hypodermic needles) vote several dozen times in the same election.

Remember kids! Vote early, vote often.

[Bob]

Seekeronos, your claims are made up. Do you have any actual statistics to support the idea that voter fraud is a serious problem? Without statistics, any discussion of voter fraud is meaningless. We might as well be talking about shark attacks in illinois.

[templar knight]

Yes, seek, you just made up those arrests and convictions. You need REAL statistics to convince Bob the Boob.

[SacTownMan]

Damn whitey, always keeping the "blackman" down like that!

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Do you have any actual statistics to support the idea that voter fraud is a serious problem?"

Let's see:

"In the November 2008 General Election, county election officials reported that 599 individuals cast a challenged ballot because the voter had previously indicated to DDS that he or she was not a United States citizen and had not resolved their status with county officials at the time of the election. Of those, 369 ballots were accepted because the voter provided documentation of their citizenship after the election; and 230 were rejected because the individual chose not to confirm his or her citizenship status."

http://www.sos.ga.gov/pressrel/2009_releases/June/20090601Obama%20Justice%20Department%20Decision%20Will%20Allow%20Non-Citizens%20to%20Register%20to%20Vote%20in%20Georgia.htm

And those are the people who actually were truthful and said they weren't US citizens.

Given the Obama Party's notorious support of the voter fraud organization ACORN, the numbers are likely even worse.

[Bob]

North Dallas, they CHOSE not to confirm their status. That doesn't mean that they were illegal. To claim voter fraud, you'd need to provide statistics for the actual number of those people who were illegal. And also, if any of them WERE illegal, why were their cases not investigated or prosecuted by the authorities? The Bush administration was still in charge; certainly they could have bolstered the charge that illegal voting is a serious problem. Instead, they did nothing. Why? Your "proof" doesn't hold any water.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"And also, if any of them WERE illegal, why were their cases not investigated or prosecuted by the authorities? "

You really should read the articles presented to you, Bob.

“This process is critical to protecting the integrity of our elections. We have evidence that non-citizens have voted in past Georgia elections and that more than 2,100 individuals have attempted to register, yet still have questions regarding their citizenship. Further, the Inspector General’s office is investigating more than 30 cases of non-citizens casting ballots in Georgia elections, including the case of a Henry County non-citizen who registered to vote and cast ballots in 2004 and 2006."

Of course, under the Obama DOJ, none of that will matter, because it will be illegal to check citizenship and identification for voting. Thus, not only can you vote when you're not a citizen, you can vote under multiple names and identities.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Let's face it. Good record keeping costs money."

Of what use are records when it's illegal to verify against them?

Oh, that's right. The point of the Obama Party is not to keep records, because records can be checked. It's better to just be able to show up at the polls, point to a name, and cast a ballot -- which, of course, can't be traced after it's been cast.

[martin.musculus]

Islamo you're a hoot... and your a sorry loan from the gene pool.

Illegals & the dirt-nappers are a very active Progressive voting block, and this shows that President Cucaracha takes care of his own. The Dirt-nappers swept him in, and he'll take excellent care of them.

When the DOJ throws out *WON* cases of voter-tampering, the writings on the wall. You think this is the end? What goes around comes around -- every belief system on this planet has that as a point of belief, Wiccans, Christians, Taoist, etc.

The Conservs have played nice, up to now, because they believe in "fair-play" and obeying the rules of the game. Since you Progressives have thrown the rules out, you should remember that the Warriors are all on the Conservative side of the divide.

Warriors aren't all in the military. Rather, the defining trait is that they are the people who, when they commit to a course of action cannot be dissuaded. Once they decide that you are hurting their family of Country or Culture, they will adopt your methods, adapt to the situation, and provide the level of destruction necessary to fix the problem. When you and your ilk are on the receiving end of your own Alinsky methodology, the jig the fiddler plays for your dance will put the world back into balance.

Progressives have gotten away with the lies and destruction of culture by trading on the good-graces of those people. It is about to end. I am lucky. I'm on the high side of 90 -- I'll miss it. I've watched it happen elsewhere, and to see it happen here saddens me. I feel pity for you "never-grew-up"s, you're playing with a force of nature. While what you'll get will be just, it is a shame that you & your ilk will need something that horrendous to learn adult traits.

***(an aside) I was suprised to learn, during a search, that my GrandDad (1851-1916) registered last election as a Dem., (an abrupt change as he'd been a Republican since shaking Lincoln's hand during a whistle-stop...,) I find myself afraid to dig deeper and see if he followed through and voted.

[Bob]

OK, North Dallas, I read the document. So if I understand correctly, despite insinuating that thousands of these voters MIGHT be illegal, only 30 actual cases are even being investigated. How many of those 30 were prosecuted or convicted? Not a single case. You're telling me that with so much at stake the GOP couldn't even come up with one verified, convicted case of voter fraud?

This proves nothing except that partisan state officials can make lots of noise about the terrible plague of voter fraud, but when push comes to shove they've got nothing but unproven allegations. How typical.

[southdakotaboy]

This is just one more straw that is being added to the camel's back. At some point in the near future the left is going to reach the final straw and conservatives are going to snap. When this happens the left will reap what they have sown.

[North Dallas Thirty]

And finally:

"You're telling me that with so much at stake the GOP couldn't even come up with one verified, convicted case of voter fraud?"

And watch as we see what happens when a leftist shill gets tripped up by his own talking points.

"Lori Minnite, a professor of political science at Barnard College, did a study of voter fraud prosecutions during the Bush administration between 2002 to 2005, and found that only 26 people were convicted of criminal voting."

[North Dallas Thirty]

OK, North Dallas, I read the document. So if I understand correctly, despite insinuating that thousands of these voters MIGHT be illegal, only 30 actual cases are even being investigated. How many of those 30 were prosecuted or convicted? Not a single case.

Obviously you didn't read the date on the document, which was June 1.

Your argument is that, because these 30 cases weren't prosecuted and convicted between today and yesterday, that they obviously have no merit.

Meanwhile, you know what I found out about your "study" that you quoted?

Turns out it was purchased and paid for by the Obama Party's fraudulent Project VOTE.

http://www.advancementproject.org/pdfs/alerts/PoliticsofVoterFraud.pdf

You know, the one to which Obama made illegal payments and then lied about?

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/election/s_584284.html

[North Dallas Thirty]

Guess what else about Project VOTE?

Turns out it illegally coordinated with the Obama campaign.

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/breaking/s_595810.html

http://michellemalkin.com/2009/06/02/document-drop-the-obamacorn-project-vote-nutroots-axis/

My, my, my. When you consider the depth of criminal behavior that the leftist Bob is already defending, it shouldn't surprise us that he also supports non-citizens voting and considers any attempt to verify name, address, citizenship, or anything of the sort to be "disenfranchisement".

I wonder if Bob supports the dead being registered to vote, like Martin talks about above? As long as they vote for the Obama Party, it's pretty obvious that Bob doesn't care.

[Bob]

"And watch as we see what happens when a leftist shill gets tripped up by his own talking points."

I was referring to the report YOU linked to that specifically concerned the state of Georgia, that mentioned 30 investigations of supposed illegals casting votes and no prosecutions or convictions. The study by Minnite was NATIONWIDE. Apples and oranges, dude. Use your brain.

One of the other documents that you linked to, by Minnite again, says:

"Voter fraud is extremely rare. At the federal level, records show that only 24 people were convicted of or pleaded guilty to illegal voting between 2002 and 2005, an average of eight people a year. The available state-level evidence of voter fraud, culled from interviews, reviews of newspaper coverage and court proceedings, while not definitive, is also negligible."

Again, North Dallas, that's about eight guilty cases of voter fraud nationwide per year. That's in contrast to thousands of eligible voters who would be denied their votes through onerous regulations. It's clear what the Republican agenda is, and it's just the opposite of fair. It's an underhanded attempt to exaggerate a negligible problem and try to gain a partisan advantage by disenfranchising otherwise eligible voters. Talk about shills . . .

[North Dallas Thirty]

"I was referring to the report YOU linked to that specifically concerned the state of Georgia, that mentioned 30 investigations of supposed illegals casting votes and no prosecutions or convictions."

A report that was dated June 1 -- which, of course, you totally missed in your desperate attempt to argue that, because these 30 cases weren't prosecuted and resulted in convictions overnight, they weren't valid.

"That's in contrast to thousands of eligible voters who would be denied their votes through onerous regulations."

From the same report:

"It is important to underscore that not a single person has come forward to say he or she could not vote because of the verification process. Further, while DOJ argues that the process is somehow discriminatory, the historic voter turnout among Hispanic and African-American voters in the 2008 general elections clearly says otherwise."

Meanwhile, Bob, what is endlessly amusing is that your Obama Party DOJ prosecutes businesses who don't subject people to the "onerous regulations" that require people to provide proof of citizenship/right to work and identification in order to get a job, or provide proof of identification to drive a car, use a credit card, cash a check, enter a bar, or buy cigarettes and alcohol. But oddly enough, when it comes to enabling dead people and illegal immigrants voting for your party, you suddenly decide that doing so is awful and evil.

[Bob]

Eight cases per year nationwide. Repeat: eight cases per year. This "crime spree" isn't worth the trouble of you typing it out. I'm not interested in any equivocations about why the Bush DOJ was not able to prosecute more cases than these. I think they really let the Republican Party down by now being able to provide any actual evidence that this issue matters. If and when Georgia decides to prosecute any of the people they're supposedly investigating, you be sure and let us know. Until then you've got nothing to hang a hat on. Please just deal in facts. Unsubstantiated accusations get to be so tiresome. Yawn.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Unsubstantiated accusations get to be so tiresome. Yawn."

Sort of like your claim that "thousands of eligible voters WOULD BE denied their votes"?

You are beyond hilarious. You ignore proven cases of voter fraud in favor of your crazed hypothetical about events that you are talking about in FUTURE TENSE -- which means they HAVEN'T HAPPENED.

I provided a clear and unequivocal statement, linked, that not one complaint had been filed, and that turnout in the election among minorities was the highest it had ever been. You, on the other hand, continue to whine and spin about pure hypotheticals as a reason to eliminate any and all requirements to verify that voters actually be citizens of the United States, be who they say they are, and actually live in the areas in which they vote.

What's really funny is that Bob insists that only Obama Party voters are unable to show identification and would be "disenfranchised". Isn't that a coincidence? Why is it that only Obama Party members are incapable of proving their citizenship and identity?

[chris]

funny, it is ok to have all kinds of "hardships" on people that want to exercise their second amendment right, which is enumerated specifically... but not for voting which isnt enumerated...

[Bob]

Find something important to get excited about, you whiners. The conservative movement has become nothing but a factory for fake outrage and manufactured hysteria. The only "solutions" you seem to be able to come up with are those that aren't needed for problems that don't exist. Despite all of the hot air and breast beating histrionics, the piddling significance of eight voter fraud convictions per year speaks for itself. How does this crime wave compare, for example, with the number of convictions for domestic violence or elder neglect? Did you ever write "outraged" diatribes about those? Of course not, because those much more significant issues are not petty GOP hobby horses. What a bunch of phonies.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Find something important to get excited about, you whiners."

You mean like your fake outrage and manufactured hysteria that "thousands of eligible voters WOULD BE denied their votes"?

Meanwhile, what exactly is your Obama Party doing?

"The NBC affiliate in Milwaukee has just filmed Democratic campaign workers handing out small amounts of money and free food to residents at a home for the mentally ill in Kenosha after which the patients were shepherded into a separate room and given absentee ballots."

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1035505043454326191.html

Or:

"Traditionally a clean government state, Wisconsin is now paying for its loose election laws. In 2000 its same-day voter-registration law was abused by Connie Milstein, a New York Democratic activist, who was caught on camera bribing the homeless with cigarettes to vote for Al Gore."

If you supposedly "care" about these people, Bob, why does your party support exploiting and manipulating them?

Answer: Because you don't care. They're nothing but pawns that you use as an excuse and means to get your grip on power. That much is shown by how Obama Party members like yourself support the disqualification of military ballots -- because you know military members tend to vote Republican.

[Philip McDaniel]

" The conservative movement has become nothing but a factory for fake outrage and manufactured hysteria..."
Actually you're the one stomping around with outrage and hysteria. Get a life.

The history of the Democrat party both in the North and the South is one of corruption, vote buying, and voter intimidation...but perhaps you are too young to have seen and experienced it.

[Bob]

North Dallas, a question: What other categories of crime that generate more than eight guilty verdicts per year NATIONWIDE are you writing "outraged" diatribes about? There must be literally hundreds or thousands of crimes with more convictions than that. So why the selective outrage?

Philip, I'm the opposite of "outraged" over this issue. I'm completely nonplussed by it. I'm just wondering how North Dallas can justify such a level of "concern" over a crime that generates less than 10 convictions per year nationwide.

It's obviously a phony political issue drummed up by the GOP to dry to bolster their continuously worsening fortunes. If they can't generate actual enthusiasm for people to vote FOR them, they figure at least they can harass the traditionally democratic voters in communities of recent immigrants, and thereby hope to keep a few people from voting AGAINST them.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Again, Bob, why do you and your Obama Party insist that employers "harass" individuals by requiring them to provide proof of citizenship/right to work and identification before they can hold a job?

Why do you and your Obama Party insist that merchants "harass" individuals by requiring them to produce identification to purchase alcohol, cigarettes, or cold medicines containing pseudoephedrine, to enter any venue where alcohol is served, to cash a check, to take out a loan, or to use a credit card?

Answer: Because none of these things are linked to your election. If purchasing alcohol were somehow related, you and yours would have screaming hissy fits over "harassment".

The more non-citizens and unidentified individuals that vote, the more likely Obama Party members are to get elected, apparently -- so Bob and his Obama Party do their best to undermine and eliminate laws requiring citizenship and identification to vote.

Put bluntly, Obama Party members like Bob can't win with only legal US citizens voting once. They can only win when illegal immigrants and multiple votes are allowed. That alone should tell you something.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Also, let's be perfectly clear here: Eric Holder and Barack Obama are saying that Georgia's law requiring people to show proof of citizenship and identification in order to register to vote and to vote is illegal.

In other words, you may no longer verify voter registrations in Georgia. You must take the person's word that a) they are a citizen, b) that they are who they say they are, and c) that they live where they claim to live. You are not allowed to contest this in any way, shape, or form.

And what will the lying Bob and his fellow Obama ACORN puppets do?

This.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/?iref=hpmostpop

On election Day, Bob and his fellow paid Obama shills then simply take multiple cards and march into multiple polling sites. No one can stop them. No one can challenge them. Once their illegally-cast ballot is in the box, it can't be recalled. And, since no one can now verify whether they had the right to vote in that precinct or not, the vote stands. Bob can simply go from precinct to precinct to precinct under multiple names and identities and cast multiple ballots.

This is the criminal behavior that Bob and his leftist ilk are perpetrating. This is what the criminal Obama taught people to do and is now using Federal tax dollars to perpetrate.

[Bob]

(1) "Put bluntly, Obama Party members like Bob can't win with only legal US citizens voting once. They can only win when illegal immigrants and multiple votes are allowed. That alone should tell you something."

(2) "Bob can simply go from precinct to precinct to precinct under multiple names and identities and cast multiple ballots."

Responses to your phony issues:

(1) This is an empty assertion on your part with no facts to back it up. Provide facts, examples and statistics that put the magnitude of the (non-) problem in perspective, or STFU.

(2) F*#k you. Don't drag my name into your stupid, phony, insulting, made-up controversy.

Again, North Dallas, I've tried to have a civil and respectful discussion with you only to end up being insulted and painted as a criminal. People like you unfortunately prove that some people simply have no honor. Maybe you have a personality disorder or some other problem that prevents you from keeping things in a healthy perspective. In any case, it's your problem and I'm through with responding to your idiotic and dishonest commentary.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Too bad Bob denies that voter fraud exists, only to be slapped with examples of the groups that his own Obama Party pays and diverts Federal tax dollars to fund committing blatant acts of fraud on an epic scale.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/09/acorn.fraud.claims/?iref=hpmostpop

Bigot Bob says that this is a "non-problem". Lying Obama Party scum are faking thousands of voter registrations and being paid by the Obama Party and the Federal government to do it, and Bob doesn't think there's anything wrong with that.

And of course you're "through", Bob. You got your butt whipped and you know it. You can't defend your Obama Party and its support of buying votes, manipulating the mentally handicapped into filling out ballots, submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registrations, and then trying to eliminate laws that allow those fraudulent registrations to be used -- because you know the vast majority of Americans don't share your Obama Party's view that those things are justified to get the Obama Party into power.

[North Dallas Thirty]

Finally:

"Again, North Dallas, I've tried to have a civil and respectful discussion with you only to end up being insulted and painted as a criminal."

And what was in your VERY FIRST POST on this thread?

"Of course, the entire voter fraud issue is a Republican scam to suppress voting by LEGAL citizens, over a non-issue that accounted for fewer than 10 criminal cases per year. It's 10 cases of true voter fraud per year vs. hundreds or thousands of legal voters being denied their voting rights. If you look at the numbers, it's obvious that this is just a Republican scam."

You come in here screaming that Republicans are racist criminals running a "scam" to harm minorities, and then you have the gall to whine about your being tied to the LINKED, PROVEN voting fraud in which your party and your Obama engage and which you fully support and endorse.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Georgia has a deeply flawed (some might argue deliberately flawed), underfunded, non-functional system. It's just another example of a deep south state where Republican governance has failed to meet its burden to its taxpaying citizens."

Woww LoonyLLama, you sure gets around. Live in Texas yet know all about Georgia politics. So Sonny got a lobotomy and switched from being a demonrat to a repugnican and thus the whole state rotted on the vine. In a state where whites are a clear minority it must've been pretty hard to dupe all those folks... Andrew Young asleep at the wheel again.......