Prisoners And The Tea Party Movement

That the the US Navy took no prisoners in resolving the Somali hostage situation is a wonderful bit of Easter news. Credit Obama for the right ROE, however that came to pass.

As for the Tea Party movement and the larger struggle between Left and Right in America, we shouldn't be taking any prisoners, either. (ed note: for the liberal idiots, that's speaking figuratively, not literally)

Mike at Cold Fury isn't in the mood for taking prisoners. But then he rarely is. We need more of that on the Right.

Fear it they clearly do. And with good reason — it’s only the beginning, a first step towards something larger and more dangerous to their statist ambitions. Tremble on, you miserable curs. Or, as I said on another site the other day: hide and watch, liberal cowards. You can’t refute us with facts, when the facts aren’t on your side; you can’t deter us with counterprotests, when your counterprotests don’t even draw flies. And you can’t cow us with threats, when your threats are empty — issued as they are by lily-livered, steercotted mouthbreathers whose most passionate advocacy is almost always for weakness and appeasement.

Peace OUT, punkasses.

Comments

[Bob]

Wow, Mike's spittle-flecked freak-out has me worried more about his own well-being than the "miserable curs," "lily-livered mouth-breathers" and "punkasses" he appears to be threatening. I hope he didn't get any peanut butter and jelly on his jammies while hammering out that diatribe. His mommy was probably wondering what all the muffled cursing was about up in his bedroom. By the way, it's a cute but pathetic attempt to try to give an air of legitimacy to the tea party thing by linking it with a REAL news story. Maybe you could try a pop culture angle too, like, "American Idol and the Tea Party Movement," or "Britney Spears Comeback and the Tea Party Movement." It wouldn't seem any less desperate, at least.

[southdakotaboy]

Well Bob you will be very surprised after the 15th I think. Obama has managed to motivate the right in this country. We are going to stand up and stop him.
This is just the first step in the long road to crushing the traitorous left in this country. The right is taking a few pages from your play book and turning it on you and it scares you.

[mark l.]

gotta give the devil his due...
In giving the seals high praise, for this moment, obama deserves some credit for being the commander in chief.

big win for all.

[Bob]

With all due respect, southdakotaboy, I think the rhetoric on your side has gotten more than a little out of hand. All this talk about "miserable curs" and "the traitorous left" is uncalled for. You're talking about over half of the electorate who voted for Obama, and it's wrong to call any portion of that majority traitorous.

I think mark has it about right. At least give the devil his due. We can disagree about politics, but in the end we should all be rooting for the same side.

[13yankeebravo]

Gee, that ain't what boob was saying the last 8 years under GW Bush.

[Philip McDaniel]

'All this talk about "miserable curs" and "the traitorous left" is uncalled for.'
Those shoes pinching a bit there, Bob?

[southdakotaboy]

Well Bob the left has no problem calling us racists and whatever nasty names they can to shut us up when we disagree with them so tough. We are not on the same side. You and yours want to turn this country into a failed, third rate nation. I will do everything in my power to stop you from destroying my children's future.

And remember Bob all it will take is about 25% of the right or 1/8th of the total population to reduce their spending habits to dramatically effect the economy.

Just as an example my family has cut back on eating out from about 5 times a week to 1 time a week. Over the course of a year this will save us about $3,000.00 a year. If 25% of the people who voted against Obama do this we will pull about 30 to 35 billion out of the economy. That is not chump change there Bob. We are cutting back in many other areas Bob and so are other people. Laugh at us as much as you want we will have the last laugh.

[mark l.]

"it's a cute but pathetic attempt to try to give an air of legitimacy to the tea party thing by linking it with a REAL news story."

maybe you can help me bob...

surely this won't be the largest protest in US history. You just have to come up with something else as big, in the next two days. some argument to be made for elections serving as a form of protest, but not much.

it does remain "news", at least until something bigger comes along.

I'm trying to imagine the spin of these protests if they were over the invasion of Iraq. IF it were the case, olbermann would probably have gone thru his entire sock drawer along with two tubs of crisco.

[Bob]

I work hard, I pay my taxes, I follow the law and stay out of trouble. I've voted in every election I could. If you want to call names like "traitor" at honest people like me, then it only demonstrates the extent of your own petty, sore-loser attitude. In other words, it's your own problem. But I do find it regrettable that a major political movement like conservatism has apparently lost so much of its dignity and common sense and that it disgraces itself with such loose talk. It's like some normally buttoned-down family man who goes to a barbecue, gets drunk and makes an ass out of himself. And then you whine about how the left supposedly did it with George w. Bush. Well if you think you're better then that, then act like it.

[Mrs. du Toit]

It's called plain speaking, Bob, and it is used by grown ups when they're pissed off and had enough... and just as we haven't surrendered the language to the politically-correct socialists, we're not going to surrender the country to them either. We may have lost the last battle, but we intend to win the war. Come the next election, watch that majority in Congress disappear, and the roll backs begin.

The "loss of dignity" phrase is a nice touch, but it's not going to fool anyone. The folks who have championed the greatest thievery and con job of the American people are giving lessons in "dignity." Oh, the irony.

[mark l.]

"But I do find it regrettable that a major political movement like conservatism has apparently lost so much of its dignity and common sense and that it disgraces itself with such loose talk."

so what you are saying is that you can make assumptions about people who support conservatism based on individual's words and sentiments, ascribing that which you detest about individual expression to a far larger group.

nice recipe for racism.

if you got video of war protestors stopping others from burning an american flag, I'd like to see it. Otherwise, by your logic system, anyone who attended an anti-war rally, where a flag is burned, is equivalently worthy of derision. Both parties have fringe crackpots...

al sharpton?
it's not like he speaks at the dem convention or anything. Didn't he incite a multitude over the brawley case, and later lead a mob that would result in the burning of a korean grocery store? should I judge all liberals, becuase they have the sentiments that sharpton agrees with?

[Bob]

Mrs. du Toit, what you refer to as "the greatest thievery and con job of the American people" was a free and fair election that your side lost. If the Republican Party with the likes of Sarah Palin on the ticket turned off a majority of voters, don't blame the winning side. And if you're unable to handle living in a democracy then maybe you'd be happier in Zimbabwe or some other such place.

And mark, I'm not talking about fringe elements at all, but posters like the "Mike" who Riehl featured in the item at the top of this thread, who refers to his fellow Americans as "miserable curs," or our fellow poster southdakotaboy, who calls them "the traitorous left." These apparently ordinary right wingers equal or exceed anything that Al Sharpton said. So who are the extremists?

[mark l.]

"miserable curs" offends you?

anyone who is advocating an increase of govt spending without any means of actually paying for it, is a piece of sh*t. Democrat, republican...the stink is the same.

accepting that our budget shortfall will still exceed 700 billion, in eight years, by obama's own plan...
it isn't governing by wisdom, it is governing via debt.

If a president had pride in his policies, his first thought might be answering how to pay for them. hem and haw over bush, but it is hard not to see that obama's budget shortcomings make w look good in comparison.

[Bob]

Well then, mark, according to your definition, I guess Ronald Reagan was a piece of sh*t too, since he also increased govt spending, didn't pay for it, and ran up the national debt as a consequence. But of course, none of the people now complaining, like you, were complaining back when it was George W. Bush, which raises the question of hypocrisy and insincerity. And yes, "miserable cur" goes beyond the bounds of civil discourse. It's the kind of thing that people who are at war say to each other. There are even names you could call someone -- like "idiot" or "fool," let's say -- that don't have the same hateful overtones as words like "cur" and "traitor." You know what the Hutus called the Tutsis in Rwanda as they began slaughtering them? "Cockroaches." Of course, right wingers in this country don't have any such murderous intent, but it's still disappointing to see insults that reach a similar level of dehumanization of their opposition. This is a democracy, and we're all Americans.

[seekeronos]

"--- This is a democracy, and we're all Americans. ---"

This is where you expose some of your socialist thinking, Bob.

We are NOT, and have never been, a "democracy".

The United States of America are a REPUBLIC.

[seekeronos]

And regrettably, traitors and cur-like men who lack either backbones or any sense of loyalty to the principles of liberty that this country was built upon do exist.

Those who are in high office or work with high influence over those offices that would work to suppress liberty and oppress those who would live at peace in the land with one another and with their Creator (whose Name is Jesus and Who is blessed forever) come mighty close to betraying their public trust.

[mark l.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms#Federal_spending.2C_federal_debt.2C_and_GDP

reagan increased federal spending 82-85, 14.5%.
2nd term, 86-89, federal spending rose 7.4%.

not a bad run.

gdp grew also,
11.2% 1st term, 15.9% 2nd term.

Carter?
17.2% spending increase, with 9.4% growth.

[southdakotaboy]

You know what Bob we on the right aren't falling for that bi-partisan crap any more. The left wants to have its cake and eat it to. They do nothing but obstruct and attack people on the right when we are trying to run things. Then when you guys are in charge everyone needs to just fall in line and shut up.
No more! So what if you think I go beyond reasonable discourse, I don't care what you think. When your side starts to rob my children of their future and rights with your plans all bets are off! You get that? All bets are off, at that point you aren't my fellow countryman you are the enemy.

[mark l.]

along with the reagan federal spending of 14.5% over his first term...
if obama's 1st budget passes for 2010, it will be an increase of 16% in ONE YEAR, not one term.

he'll surpass the gipper at 4 times the pace.

[Mrs. du Toit]

The Left may have won a Presidential election and has the majority of the seats in Congress, Bob, but that election wasn't a plebiscite on Executive and Congressional authority. We know what the Constitution means and no where does the Congress or the Executive have the authority to buy up and nationalize industries, hire/fire CEOs, or fund wealth redistribution schemes through punitive taxation. In fact, a significant portion of what Obama Administration and Congress have been doing is expressly forbidden by the Constitution, ie, (Article I, Section 9): "No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed."

The Congress has the authority to "raise and collect taxes" ONLY for those things expressly listed in Article 1, Section 8. It has no authority to raise and collect taxes for anything else! All else not specifically authorized is within the purview of the states.

I'm pissed off and am more than happy to see that others are similarly incensed in their rhetoric. The Federal government has VIOLATED the constitution with The People and using fiery language is warranted.

I would disagree with these schemes (and soapbox about them being a bad idea) if there was an attempt to modify the Constitution to allow them, but if they passed, I'd accept the outcome. Doing these things without even a casual look at their unconstitutionality is wrong... and yes, it does make those who took an oath to uphold and abide by the Constitution both liars AND traitors.

The People are willing to be patient, but there is a limit to that patience and what they will tolerate. These liars and traitors SHOULD be afraid of us. At minimum, they'll be voted out of office in the next election. If I ruled the world, they'd be brought up on charges and hanged for their treachery.

[Bob]

Mrs. du Toit, it's an interesting question about the constitutionality of the bailout plan. I have to say that I'm not a big fan of the bailout plan myself, but probably for different reasons than you. But as I understand it, the biggest impediment to those who'd like to challenge the bailout's constitutionality is the Supreme Court. Even some of those who allow that there might be a legitimate question there seem to think that the court's recent rulings in related areas makes it next to impossible that they would take on such a case (apparently it has to do with "the doctrine of Congressional delegation"). And if a majority conservative Supreme Court won't take it on, it doesn't seem like a productive line of inquiry.

But once again, your own rhetoric about "liars and traitors" I think makes YOU out to be the extremist here. A solid majority of Americans support what the administration is doing, and it's more than a little bit unhinged to question the legitimacy of this president in such hateful terms.

[Mrs. du Toit]

And right there you have explained, albeit accidentally, why Americans are angry, and why they're attending tea parties.

We know what the Constitution says. We don't need the court to interpret it for us. The fact that the Congress can do this crap, and there are no consequences, is WHY people are angry.

I don't care if that makes me an "extremist." It is surreal that someone who wants their government to abide by the rules is an "extremist." I'm in good company:

"They are not to do anything they please to provide for the general welfare, but only to lay taxes for that purpose. To consider the latter phrase not as describing the purpose of the first, but as giving a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which might be for the good of the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole instrument to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do whatever would be for the good of the United States; and, as they would be the sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do whatever evil they please... Certainly no such universal power was meant to be given them. It was intended to lace them up straitly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson

We don't live in a "democracy." We are a constitutional republic. If "a solid majority of Americans" support bailouts, ex post facto laws, and Bills of Attainder, etc., then they have the support they need to amend the Constitution to allow it. Until then, the Federal government is operating outside the rules.

"[The purpose of a written constitution is] to bind up the several branches of government by certain laws, which, when they transgress, their acts shall become nullities; to render unnecessary an appeal to the people, or in other words a rebellion, on every infraction of their rights, on the peril that their acquiescence shall be construed into an intention to surrender those rights." --Thomas Jefferson, 1782

"When all government, domestic and foreign, in little as in great things, shall be drawn to Washington as the center of all power, it will render powerless the checks provided of one government on another and will become as venal and oppressive as the government from which we separated." --Thomas Jefferson, 1821