Why The Inconsistencies In Controversial CNN Videos?

I'm not qualified to weigh in on the CPR though it does look strange. But I am wondering about another inconsistency in the now controversial CNN video from Gaza. Charles has three versions at link.

At the very least it seems it might be an attempt by someone to alter the time-line of events and that a Channel 4 report actually pointed out that the family stayed home for some time and waited for the camera man / brother before taking the boy to the hospital.

In the third video (bottom) - of CNN's full report - it claims the boy was taken home after the hospital - see 47 seconds in.

But in the second version posted from the UK's channel 4, they use the same footage to suggest the boy "might" already be dead. That would mean the living room video was shot before taking the boy to the hospital - see 55 seconds in of that video. And at 2:20 in, the video actually says they drove from the hospital directly to the cemetery. That supports the living room video being shot after waiting for the cameraman to come off the road to the home. Why wouldn't they have taken the boy to the hospital immediately?

Also in the first edited CNN video posted by Charles it clearly states that after the hospital the boy was "taken home" - possibly the same footage but it drives home the point. See 1 minute in of the top video at lgf link. And that language goes with the very same footage from the living room also in the other videos.

At the very least, CNN is contradicting Channel 4 on an important detail in the two video reports. It's important as one video implies that after being hit by the rocket the brother was called, the boy wasn't rushed to the hospital, instead they filmed the living room scene first.

Something doesn't add up. If there was no rush to get to the hospital, it could be the boy was already dead. But it would also support there being no reason for CPR and possibly a staging of it for drama. Or was the whole thing staged?

Fausta is blogging it, too. CNN link here.

Comments

[Lala]

Roger L Simon is covering it too

http://pajamasmedia.com/rogerlsimon/

[WBestPresidentEver]

For the most accurate coverage of what is going on in Israel and Gaza, go here. Best coverage.

http://muqata.blogspot.com/

[Anon]

I think the salient point is that the BOY was killed due to the attack by Israel.

[Anon2]

and I think the salient point is that Hamas is a group of ghouls whose wet dream is to create a situation where the death of children could be blamed on the IDF. The fact that this vile scum find that they need to manufacture these events is telling, and not in a way that works to their advantage. In a just world, the leaders of this "government" would be hanging at the end of rope shortly after a Nuremburg type trial.

[Ken Hahn]

CNN is acting as a propaganda vehicle for Hamas, which is hardly surprising considering their pandering to Saddam and Castro. Domestically they serve the Democrats and especially Obama. Any attempt to associate CNN with news is doomed to fail.

[JorgXMcKie]

And I think anonymous trolls who support Hamas should declare their willingness to have random rounds fired at their dwelling place. How about it, anon@4:23? You up for telling the world where you live and saying you're willing to have ordnance aimed in its general direction? Oh. If necessary for you peace of mind you can also insist the weaponry be deployed from a crowded schoolyard.

[Bob R]

I, too, am not qualified to discuss the CPR, etc. I think this video is impeachable even before all these timelines and staged/not staged ER care. Since Israel fields no weapons-capable UAVs, I wonder where the lethal round could have been fired. Given the obvious low level of damage to the house, and the fact that the casualty supposedly suffered shrapnel woulds, not blast effects, could it just as likely that an errant, dud Palestinian rocket caused these effects? It's worth considering...

[teresa]

I have been a registered nurse for 23 years. I have done CPR on quite a few patients, both in and out of the hospital. Chest compressions, to be effective, must be done pretty vigorously. You are compressing the heart and squeezing the blood out. In the average American ER, they would have opened this kid's chest and done direct heart massage before determining no cardiac filling (when the patient has bled out).
Suspicious to me also was the complete absence of any ventilation of the "boy" - one would expect to see that during any resuscitation effort - even in the field, one would do mouth to mouth breathing.

Another thing - the rooftop where these "boys" supposedly were killed was surprisingly free of blood. When 2 people bleed out there is a lot of blood. Even if the roof was washed down, there would be some pooling/clotted blood around, or blood staining. The area was essentially clean.

[UncleFuzzy]

To Bob R @ 7:52, my thoughts exactly regarding the level and type of damage to the roof. I do not know all of the ordnance being fired by the IDF but I would expect much more damage if the weapon had come from Israel. As for the "CPR", while I am no doctor I have taken CPR training multiple times (lifeguard, Jr. High and now three times when each of my boys were born) and there is no way what he is doing is going to be effective. This is just a case of bad acting caught on file. For example, notice how he looks around and then speeds up the rate of compressions 2 seconds after the ER scene begins. What? Didn't he hear the director say, "Action!"?

[Haakon Raude]

In the name of securing their safety why should not Israel be allowed to make Gaza a big concentration camp? I can agree that the label – concentration camp - used by Cardinal Renato Martino, is not good in this condense due to historic associations.

But does not the Israelies have the right to treat their prisoners how they want. They do not want these people in Gaza.

[Denny, Alaska]

What? CNN but untruthful? I'm shocked, SHOCKED!

[Storm]

All countries would do the same thing as Israel.

Lock people up in a concentration camp so they can’t go anywhere and drop burning phosphorus on them.

Just think back when IRA bombed the UK in a similar dangerous manner as Hamas are after Israelis. IRA was sponsored by the US just like HAMAS now is sponsored by Iran.

No wonder the UK made a blockade of Northern Ireland and went in and bombed them with heavy artillery and burning phosphorus. They had to protect the UK - and 1 to 5 people were killed every year.
Nobody argued their right to kill several hundred children and thousands of adult Irish people in Northern Irelands.

No
– wait -
I recall.

The UK did not do that.

Instead they talked to the US and pushed to stop money and weapons to be shipped to IRA.

They also started negotiating with the enemy – IRA.

Maybe Israel could do this differently also?

[BrianNY]

Having recently witnessed over a month's worth of traumatic activity in an ER and a ICU facility, I was struck by the behavior of the two doctors in this Palestinian video. Perhaps doctors in Gaza do things differently than doctors at Yale/New Haven Hospital here in the US, but the following caught my eye:

1. What kind of card or paperwork could the Norwegian doctor be bothering to move or "straighten up" while the Palestinian doctor is furiously tickling the patient's chest? In my experience, anything that wasn't priority during a trauma situation was summarily tossed on the floor and dealt with later.

2. What are those clear IV fluids shown running into the patients left arm? Are any of them as vital as plasma? Is plasma usually run into the arm, or into a larger vein/artery? My experience showed that prepping an IV line was a needle insertion process that took a couple of critical minutes. Would there have been time to prepare an IV process for clear fluids before a CPR process was even concluded?

3. Sound and visuals indicate that the EKG monitoring system was on and functioning, however at :20 into one of the Youtube videos, the Norwegian doctor appears to then be applying some EKG stickers to the patient's chest. Is this consistent or out of sequence in regards to EKG procedure?

4. I one of the Youtube videos, the Palestinian doctor, still applying the tickling method to the patient's chest, appears to ask the Norwegian doctor a question, to which the Norwegian doctor prominently points to the EKG screen to explain something. In a month's time of witnessing doctors in an ER and an ICU environment, I never once saw a doctor point to and explain monitor information to another doctor. Information that was visual was simply available and understood by all. (To me this would be like a professional NASCAR driver pointing to his speedometer to explain to another professional NASCAR driver how fast he is going.) Between professionals, isn't vital information simply understood?

5. Why is there blood on the orderly's gloves, but none on the Norwegian doctor's gloves, nor on the Palestinian doctor's gloves who is actually touching the patient?

Lastly, the "pinging" noises that constantly emanate from the vitals monitor during this footage is indicative of a "vitals update" mode at Yale/New Haven Hospital, and not an emergency or crisis mode. Emergency mode pings were more severe and I believe an alarm also rang out. Can any professionals here confirm this?

I observe and mention these points because, in totality, they give me the impression that this footage is more like street theater rather than a professional ER environment.

[BrianNY]

Having recently witnessed over a month's worth of traumatic activity in an ER and a ICU facility, I was struck by the behavior of the two doctors in this Palestinian video. Perhaps doctors in Gaza do things differently than doctors at Yale/New Haven Hospital here in the US, but the following caught my eye:

1. What kind of card or paperwork could the Norwegian doctor be bothering to move or "straighten up" while the Palestinian doctor is furiously tickling the patient's chest? In my experience, anything that wasn't priority during a trauma situation was summarily tossed on the floor and dealt with later.

2. What are those clear IV fluids shown running into the patients left arm? Are any of them as vital as plasma? Is plasma usually run into the arm, or into a larger vein/artery? My experience showed that prepping an IV line was a needle insertion process that took a couple of critical minutes. Would there have been time to prepare an IV process for clear fluids before a CPR process was even concluded?

3. Sound and visuals indicate that the EKG monitoring system was on and functioning, however at :20 into one of the Youtube videos, the Norwegian doctor appears to then be applying some EKG stickers to the patient's chest. Is this consistent or out of sequence in regards to EKG procedure?

4. I one of the Youtube videos, the Palestinian doctor, still applying the tickling method to the patient's chest, appears to ask the Norwegian doctor a question, to which the Norwegian doctor prominently points to the EKG screen to explain something. In a month's time of witnessing doctors in an ER and an ICU environment, I never once saw a doctor point to and explain monitor information to another doctor. Information that was visual was simply available and understood by all. (To me this would be like a professional NASCAR driver pointing to his speedometer to explain to another professional NASCAR driver how fast he is going.) Between professionals, isn't vital information simply understood?

5. Why is there blood on the orderly's gloves, but none on the Norwegian doctor's gloves, nor on the Palestinian doctor's gloves who is actually touching the patient?

Lastly, the "pinging" noises that constantly emanate from the vitals monitor during this footage is indicative of a "vitals update" mode at Yale/New Haven Hospital, and not an emergency or crisis mode. Emergency mode pings were more severe and I believe an alarm also rang out. Can any professionals here confirm this?

I observe and mention these points because, in totality, they give me the impression that this footage is more like street theater rather than a professional ER environment.

[TomB]

All countries would do the same thing as Israel.

Lock people up in a concentration camp so they can’t go anywhere and drop burning phosphorus on them.

Playing along with the silly assertion, both Syria and Jordan do the same thing.

Why do MUSLIM countries put palestinians, fellow muslims, in "concentration camps"? Why won't they give them citizenship?

Also, did the IRA have in their charter the destruction of the UK as its mission?

Finally, are you always this transparent?

[TomB]

Sorry, i forgot tags don't work here, this portion was a quote from the insidious "Storm":

"All countries would do the same thing as Israel.

Lock people up in a concentration camp so they can’t go anywhere and drop burning phosphorus on them."

[Lala]

Why did Egypt close its borders so their fellow Muslims couldn't enter?

[TomB]

"Why did Egypt close its borders so their fellow Muslims couldn't enter?"

Because "Palestinian" is Arabic for "Brown trash".

Nobody wants them, except for cannon fodder.

[Lala]

Compare photos of the Warsaw ghetto and Gaza

http://viciousbabushka.typepad.com/weblog/

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"Having recently witnessed over a month's worth of traumatic activity in an ER and a ICU facility, I was struck by the behavior of the two doctors in this Palestinian video. Perhaps doctors in Gaza do things differently than doctors at Yale/New Haven Hospital here in the US" ....

Gee, do you think that emergency medicine might proceed a little differently in a war zone than at Yale? Why don't you go over there and show them how to do it right, professor.

Jesus, you assholes are OPENLY calling for concentration camps. For ISRAEL to turn Gaza into one big concentration camp.

[DinobotPrime]

THC
Emergency medicine Would be different if the hospital where the event happened was badly damaged and under direct or indirect enemy fire . Look at the video , no sense of urgency by the staff , the doctor who was supposed to be doing chest compressions was instead doing Heimlich Maneuvers , nobody was giving air to the kid . Btw , I don't care if the Norwegian doctor is a renowned ER doctor in his own country , but if he was going to attached the cardiac leads at the very end of the code , then the damned doctor either needs his medical licensed revoke or he needs to stop his acting career right now . Those are basic mistakes that even in a war zone doctors like him would never do . He was doing things out of character as a medical doctor in a damn code . I will bet you that if this was no propaganda , he would had yelled at his fellow doctor for doing the CPR wrong , demand that somebody bagged the patient and have the nurse call additional staff for help . They were not under fire , either direct or indirect . The only thing they have to do if the victim was real was do the PALS right . They screwed it up by the numbers hence it's a fake .

[jeebus]

Boy, the whole Rathergate thing really was the worst thing that ever happened to the right side of the blogosphere. You got in a lucky shot with a hammer, so now everything is a nail. You just lost control of Congress and the White House, your hero from four years ago, George W., is now acknowledged by nearly everyone to have been a colossal failure, and what are you doing to get back on your feet? You're looking for the second gunman on the grassy knoll.

My god.

[jim]

You're right - Israel is absolutely justified in its response to Palestinian attacks. Any sensible person knows that the only rational response to terrorism, no matter how minor, is massive & swift retaliation - to let one's inferiors know who is the master. In our country, we used this approach with great success, & almost succeeded in driving the scourge from our sacred homeland permanently ... if Israel perserveres, surely it too will prevail.

Special camps to inter these vermin is a magnificant idea! I found it most efficacious in limiting the ability of the threat to pollute the body politic with their radical ideology & moral degeneracy, although some effeminate liberal-types at the time were upset by some of my more enthusiastic colleagues' methods. A pity they can't get the Palestinians to wear special badges on their clothes, too - to prevent them from hiding in the midst of their betters ... & perhaps laws forbidding them from bringing civil suits or owning real-estate would be a step in the right direction as well.

Your perspective is a refreshing change from the pro-terrorist media's one-sided slandering of Israel. Keep up the good work!

Sincerely,
Heinrich Himmler

[Jim Treacher]

"Gee, do you think that emergency medicine might proceed a little differently in a war zone than at Yale?"

Precisely. Everyone knows that in a war zone, you perform CPR as if burping Tupperware.

[Michael Traub]

Chest compressions are far more important than ventilating the patient. In fact, increasingly they are recommending NOT doing mouth-to-mouth at all, since chest compressions alone are usually enough, and not everyone will do mouth-to-mouth, and do nothing instead. And for pediatric CPR, they already advise no mouth-to-mouth. It’s too easy to perforate the much smaller lungs with too much breath, and the chest compressions are quite sufficient.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they also misunderstood how compressions are done on small children. Two fingers of one hand is enough. That might look like “tapping” to these mouth-breathing fools.

[DinobotPrime]

Michael
What's the point of doing chest compressions if the blood is not carrying oxygen to vital organs of the body especially the brain . Let me point out to you that without oxygen , major organs die especially the brain . And since this happened in the hospital , no damn idiot would do mouth to mouth when you have an ambu bag that you can use to pump oxygen into the lungs . Heck , if the ambu bag is not effective , insert an endotracheal tube and attached the ventilator onto it in order the patient can have oxygen or attached the ambu bag and have somebody bag the patient until a) they get relief b) a ventilator is available . Basic ABC , Airway , Breathing and Circulation . I also understand how compressions are used on preteen , one hand is being used instead of two . Two fingers are used on babies and small children and not on preteens . Next time Michael , before you post , carefully consider that some of the posters do this for a living and some of us do it more than often enough to know what the hell was wrong in the video .