What's Wrong In Minnesota?

I haven't yet had much to say about the election stealing nearly complete in Minnesota. Nothing is more disastrous, nor more dangerous for our Republic than corrupting the integrity of our elections as partisan politics is now doing more and more.

It's just as sad as it is anger producing. But with partisan hacks controlling elections in more and more of America, I'm not sure how the trend can change. Much of the so-called electorate doesn't even seem to care.

But that isn't the only problem in Minnesota. This whole process doesn't say much for Norm Coleman either. If a sitting Senator doesn't have enough support to win an election, Third Party candidate, or not, clearly not enough Minnesotans were impressed with Coleman to care about his candidacy all that much.

Frankly, I don't know much about him. And I certainly didn't want him, as a Republican, to lose. But then, what's a Republican anymore? Until that party defines some type of identity for itself again, who's to say?

I'm not optimistic as regards any potential court challenges, but we'll see.

As for Minnesota - first Ventura, now Franken? They should consider leaving the Republic and joining up with Canada to be part of some Northern Hemispheric joke. Though frankly, that's a little too harsh as regards Canada.

Many of our politicians have been shams for years. Now an increasing number of our elections and our "electorate" are, too. If the trend continues the outcome is predictable and does not bode well for a future America anything like the great nation that it's been.

More and more I fear it will take some significant cultural upheaval or major catastrophic event to turn things around.

Comments

[jharp]

"the election stealing nearly complete in Minnesota"

There is no evidence to back your ludicrous claim. None.

"it will take some significant cultural upheaval or major catastrophic event to turn things around"

Don't know where you've been but a major catastrophe has turned things around. It's name is George Bush and the Republican controlled Congress. Take a looksy at the composition of Congress and the White House. If that ain't a complete turnaround I don't know what is.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Nothing is more disastrous, nor more dangerous for our Republic than corrupting the integrity of our elections as partisan politics is now doing more and more.

It's just as sad as it is anger producing. But with partisan hacks controlling elections in more and more of America, I'm not sure how the trend can change. Much of the so-called electorate doesn't even seem to care. --"

Hahaha. Oh man, that is some rich stuff. Where were you 8 years ago, buddy? Something about a Sore Loserman, much?

Its worth noting that when Franken and Coleman went to the Minnesota SC, they were told to review all the absentee ballots, period. When Gore and Bush went to the SCOTUS, they were told to halt the recount, declare a winner, and never speak of this court decision again.

That said, please enlighten us Dan. Which officials have committed improper acts? On what legal basis is the recount invalid, while the original count was not? Who rigged which votes? What "partisan hacks" muddled up the system?

"-- Many of our politicians have been shams for years. Now an increasing number of our elections and our "electorate" are, too. If the trend continues the outcome is predictable and does not bode well for a future America anything like the great nation that it's been. --"

Shorter Dan Riehl: "People who vote against my preferred candidate are too stupid to be allowed to vote."

And that's what it really comes down to. Dan doesn't suspect voter impropriety or he wouldn't be lashing out at the state citizens. He's mad at the electorate because he knows Coleman lost fair and square (without even a "popular vote" victory to console him). And rather than rally the troops and prepare for the next election, he's going to sit on his blog and piss on the voting public at large. Because nothing wins over a contingent of voters like calling them stupid.

[Lala]

More votes than voters........

"Meanwhile, a Ramsey County precinct ended up with 177 more ballots than there were recorded votes on Election Night. In that case, the board decided to go with the extra ballots, rather than the Election Night total, even though the county is now showing more ballots than voters in the precinct. This gave Mr. Franken a net gain of 37 votes, which means he's benefited both ways from the board's inconsistency...

...It appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates, which are now being counted in addition to the originals. This helps explain why more than 25 precincts now have more ballots than voters who signed in to vote...

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/01/shameless-dems-steal-minnesota-senate.html

[WBestPresidentEver]

Just more corruption by the democrats. What did you expect.

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Many of our politicians have been shams for years. Now an increasing number of our elections and our "electorate" are, too. If the trend continues the outcome is predictable and does not bode well for a future America anything like the great nation that it's been.

More and more I fear it will take some significant cultural upheaval or major catastrophic event to turn things around.

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It will most certainly happen. Stay tuned. How it will happen and when is yet to be determinded, but it will, no doubt.

[jharp]

"It appears some officials may have failed to mark ballots as duplicates"

Really? And do you have any evidence to back this claim?

I didn't think so. The article you cite is from the WSJ oped page.

Quit yer whining. It's over. Senator Al Franken. Get used to it.

[ET]

--Senator Al Franken. Get used to it.

This from the same state that gfave us the Governor from the WWE! It must be hard to think straight when your teeth are chattering all the time.

Harpo, the fact that you are proud of, and pleased by, this outcome exposes you as the worst kind of idiot. Al Franken defines the word "loser." He wasn't funny as a comedian, failed miserable as a talk show host and he has no real positions aside from bds.

Of course, once a liberal has failed at "real" jobs, its time to run for congress!!!

But I guess you can relate to a guy who has failed at everything he has ever attempted.

[ShiddyButt]

"Franken defines the word "loser"."

Except for the fact that he just beat Coleman.

OOPS!!!

I helped you with the punctuation too, by the way.

You are welcome.

[HatlessHessian]

There's merit to the conjecture that political systems tend to bias in one direction until it cannot be sustained any further and collapse or suffer demise from an external catastrophe. Many systems risk managers encounter tend to suffer those biases. Corporate risk (enterprise, operational and even financial at some levels) tend to gravitate toward greater and greater risk taking until it blows up. Consider some of the dynamics that propel the firm toward excessive risk taking:

Previous returns were easy when the product was new and the market untouched. Each year, it becomes more difficult to just sustain the growth. In order to make EBITDA numbers, something's got to be sacrificed for our net numbers to continue. Can't cut on the product, since that'll kill sales. Cut production and sales labor? Same thing. Source cheaper raw materials? Ditto. Take bigger risks by ignoring compliance, milking those IT platforms twice as long as they should be run, firing your information security staff and dumping it out to an oversees firm (their brochures /said/ they'd do a bang up job) and everything's great You make your numbers... and pass the risk along to the next sucker.

For Americans, out of control government intervention has been eroding their real wages and they've felt it. Since they blame their employers for not seeing those nice raises (even though government intervention in health care has sucked up most of their wage gain), they vote for the Congressman or Presidential candidate that offers even more presents. Since they aren't getting them from work, they'll empower the government to give them through whatever means (including the seizure of their neighbors property).

This won't end nicely and quite honestly, most Americans don't deserve it to.

[MJMJ]

All I can say is the Coleman musta been a pretty poor senator. Also, though the election of that clown may be a sign of a general decline in the public sphere, I tend to think it's really just a blip and not much else.

[jharp]

HatlessHessian,

"For Americans, out of control government intervention has been eroding their real wages and they've felt it... (even though government intervention in health care has sucked up most of their wage gain)"

What a bunch of utter nonsense. Out of control government intervention? Put the crack pipe away. Exactly the opposite is true. Our government has been sitting on it's hands while the foxes have been in the hen house.

And government intervention in health care has sucked up most of their wage gain)? Surely you jest.

You are a lunatic.

[jharp]

"All I can say is the Coleman musta been a pretty poor senator."

Yes he was. His party has no priciples or failed ones at best.

"Also, though the election of that clown may be a sign of a general decline in the public sphere, I tend to think it's really just a blip and not much else."

Ha ha ha. Yeah right just a blip.

Please be reminded there were 75 other blips in the House.

And 16 in the Senate.

And a big blip in the White House.

Put the pipe away.

[Christine Gregoire]

How can anyone question the will of the people? We just keep counting until the Democrat is ahead, then we're done.

[Todd]

Life's a bitch huh, Dan? Where was your sadness and anger about the utterly corrupt voting process in Ohio in 2004 for POTUS? Non-existent I'm sure.

For a litany of election shenanigans read this long, well-footnoted article by RFK Jr. about that election that gave us 4 more years of hell (epic quote from Theresa Heinz-Kerry), and then tell me more about your sadness and anger, Dan.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

[jharp]

How can anyone question the will of the people? We just keep counting until the Democrat is ahead, then we're done.

Posted by: Christine Gregoire

You haven't the slightest idea of the subject you opine on. You are either a complete fool or a right wing hack.

[ET]

Todd, do you get your news from Weekend Update? Quoting an article by RFK Jr. printed in Rolling Stone?

Really??

[ET]

--"Franken defines the word "loser"."

Except for the fact that he just beat Coleman.

posted by jharp.

Not so fast, harpo. Franken can't be seated in the senate until he is certified by the state of minnesote. State law prohibits minnestoa from certifying a senator if the election is contested. Coleman will file and the seat will be in limbo until his protest is over.

Franken ain't senator yet, not matter what you say, or what he says.

Let me use your own words here:

"You haven't the slightest idea of the subject you opine on."

Oh, and let me fix your grammar, moron:

"You haven't the slightest idea of the subject on which you opine."

Get off your high horse, seriously.

[ET]

Minnesota

Minnesota

Minnesota

[ET]

--I helped you with the punctuation too, by the way.

You are welcome.

Posted by jharp.

Didn't do much book lurnin in skewel, huh jharp.

"One question that frequently arises with quotation marks is where to place other punctuation marks in relation to them. Again, these rules vary from region to region, but North American usage is quite simple:

1. Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks.

I know you are fond of the story "Children of the Corn," but is it an appropriate subject for your essay?

"At last," said the old woman, "I can say I am truly happy."

http://www.arts.uottawa.ca/writcent/hypergrammar/qmarks.html

Never bring a knife to a gunfight, jharp.

[jharp]

--"Franken defines the word "loser"."

Except for the fact that he just beat Coleman.

posted by jharp.

1) Not my post

Not so fast, harpo. Franken can't be seated in the senate until he is certified by the state of minnesote. State law prohibits minnestoa from certifying a senator if the election is contested. Coleman will file and the seat will be in limbo until his protest is over.

Franken ain't senator yet, not matter what you say, or what he says.

2) No he's not. However the counting is done and Franken is ahead. And the burden of proof lies with Coleman to overturn the result. In other words, ain't gonna happen.

I figure you've got about 1 chance in 100. And then you're still down 58-42.

It is time for you wingnuts to face reality. The voters have rejected conservatism and voted the republicans out of office in historic proportions.

But keep on promoting the wingnut policy. You have done so well with it.

[jharp]

--I helped you with the punctuation too, by the way.

You are welcome.

Posted by jharp.

Again. Not my post you stupid jackass.

[ET]

Apologies, harpo. the punctuation czar goes by the appropriate moniker, shiddybutt.

Just in case mr. butt missed it:

"One question that frequently arises with quotation marks is where to place other punctuation marks in relation to them. Again, these rules vary from region to region, but North American usage is quite simple:

1. Commas and periods always go inside the quotation marks.

I know you are fond of the story "Children of the Corn," but is it an appropriate subject for your essay?

"At last," said the old woman, "I can say I am truly happy."

http://www.arts.uottawa.ca/writcent/hypergrammar/qmarks.html

[ET]

--Franken ain't senator yet, not matter what you say, or what he says.

2) No he's not. However the counting is done and Franken is ahead. And the burden of proof lies with Coleman to overturn the result. In other words, ain't gonna happen.

harpo, with 25 precincts counting more ballots than registered voters, I'd say the (re)counting has just begun.

You Stupid Jackass.

[Josef Stalin]

"Those who cast the votes decide nothing.
Those who count the votes decide everything."

—Communist Tyrant and mass murderer Josef Stalin
(attributed

[Christine Gregoire]

How can anyone question the will of the people? We just keep counting until the Democrat is ahead, then we're done.

Posted by: Christine Gregoire

You haven't the slightest idea of the subject you opine on. You are either a complete fool or a right wing hack.

Posted by: jharp

Notice the name? Remember back to 2004 when democrats successfully stole the governorship of Washington State? Right wing hack? Perhaps. But the stealing of elections should be punished by draconian measures, regardless of the political party of the offender. The alternative is bloody revolution, which would be bad for real estate values.

[HatlessHessian]

jharp: It's unfortunate that we allow uneducated people like you to vote. Indeed, given your lack of education, I'd have to guess you're one of those persons lining up for a "tax refund" from Obama yet you don't earn enough to ever pay income taxes.

Let's address your two error-filled comments:

1. Per regulation, you claim:
"Exactly the opposite is true. Our government has been sitting on it's hands while the foxes have been in the hen house."

I'm a GRC (governance, risk and compliance) professional running risk management for a global financial corporation (one that is doing quite well, thank you). I'm certified in three specialties, advise the executive board and security board monthly on our risk profile, have an education in corporate finance and banking, and have over twenty years of experience in this field. I'm published in our trade journals and am regarded by my peers as an expert in certain areas of outlier operational risk. I say this not to brag (there are many others on this blog and others I respect that are professionals in their own field), but to provide context and credibility to my answer which is something quite foreign to a liberal.

Government regulation is as high as it has ever been in the modern U.S. economy. Sarbanes Oxley, PCI, FFIEC, HIPAA, and countless other state and Federal regulations have made it exceptionally difficult to operate without considerable compliance expense. Unfortunately for the consumer and taxpayer, this compliance requirement does not result in better security. It prevents against what occurred before and is unlikely to recur again in any meaningful, non-copycat form. It is useful in preventing annoyances but does little to address security. Indeed, firms like ours are so burdened by government intervention that many executives simply resort to doing ONLY what the government says, because we cannot spend any further funds addressing real security concerns. So much is mandated that we can only do what is mandated. You, the consumer, suffer as we maintain compliance but that only gives us regulatory cover. You're left paying a much higher bill for your services and yet you get less, not more security.

And government intervention in health care has sucked up most of their wage gain)? Surely you jest.

Indeed. Besides the regulatory aspect for privacy and its costs (which again provide no meaningful protection), Medicare has had such extreme redistribution effects by underpaying for services as much as 25% of their actual cost, requiring medical institutions to overcharge your insurance by 200% to 500%. A $100 drug that Medicare only pays $25 for, but is in high demand by the Medicare covered population, must be charged $500 or higher often to compensate. This is another form of socialism your government has quietly put into place.

There are so many other factors here, but I'm certain those in the audience will recognize these two illustrations. For you, I'd encourage you to acknowledge you really don't know what you're talking about to yourself. I don't care that you acknowledge it here - if we can help drag enough uneducated or misinformed citizens into awareness, we may have a chance to avoid the destruction Obama and his cronies bring.

[HatlessHessian]

And one other addition for jharp, per the government sitting on its hands while foxes are in henhouses, you are correct in an unanticipated context. When the government is the fox, you're absolutely correct. Please do some research on Senator Dodd and Representative Frank regarding their Congressional oversight role which makes them the "foxes" in your analogy. Given that the mortage industry is the henhouse, and the taxpayers are the hens, your analogy is indeed correct.

However I'm not quite sure that as how you anticipated using it... correct me if I'm wrong there.

[jharp]

harpo, with 25 precincts counting more ballots than registered voters, I'd say the (re)counting has just begun.

You Stupid Jackass.

Posted by: ET | Monday, January 05, 2009 at 10:43 PM

You can say whatever you want. There is no evidence to substantiate your claim. None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.

You are 100% wrong. The counting is over.

[James]

No one stole, or is in the process of stealing anything. The votes were simply stated. They were counted in the manner BOTH parties wanted. When the State certifies a winner, you can start yer bitchin', and concoct your conspiracy theory's.

Dems +1. . . Bush and Co. . . Best thing that EVER happened to the Democrats. You Cons should have watched your own house for the last 8 years, but you didn't.

This is what happens when you ignore competence and follow cronyism.

Now we will get to work fixing what you tore down, and showing America what competence can do.

[HatlessHessian]

You know, I really wish I could understand confused liberals like harpo. You have to think that he actually believes in something, but due to his confusion and the total lack of grasp on the facts, he ends up coming across as nothing more than a poo-flinging zoo monkey.

He has no clue that Obama didn't win, for example. McCain lost. To most liberals, they don't understand the difference in those conditions. What was the statistic though about how many Republicans turned their back and stayed home... 8 million? McCain was aborted by our party. The only reason it wasn't a 60/40 vote was Palin's capacity to motivate a large amount of middle America voters.

But this phenomenon illustrates a critical difference between the left and right: while we abort our unviable political tissue mass, the left continues through with paranoid delusions about their identity and that of their opponents. For instance, I absolute abhor the fat-cat country club types regardless of party. Those parasites have ruined this nation. Perhaps 70 years ago (pre-FDR), it was an accurate statement to equate the country club rich with the Republican Party. Ever since then, it's been little more than myth. Omaha's rich elites (both new like Buffet and old) are little more than the local Democratic Party apparatus. Fools like harpo believe the Obama propaganda of "I'm going to sock it to 'the rich' by taxing the top 5% earners" but harpo doesn't realize this never touches the rich. The real rich have tax shelters, earn millions annually tax-free off of munis, have off-shore accounts, family trusts and so on. We had a battle within one Democratic family in Omaha a few years ago over hundreds of millions of dollars sitting tax free in the family trust since one part of the family wanted to wrestle control from another.

All Democrats.

But thanks to their ownership of the mainstream media, closed minds like harpos continue to believe in a condition that's been false since 1940. Harpo probably also buys into the myth that Democratic Senators and Governors from the south liberated blacks from unequal treatment (seriously, I'll bet he does, and blames Republicans for opposing voting rights acts and other reforms that forced the government to treat people equally regardless of race). It seriously must suck to live a life that is a complete fraud like harpo's. It's worse than not playing the game at all. He's a useful fool for a machine that does nothing but oppress Americans, destroy the economy and create unwinnable wars.

[jharp]

"Government regulation is as high as it has ever been in the modern U.S. economy."

And so friggin what? It obviously wasn't enough. We also have the most automobile regulations in the history of the earth.

And on the health care you are so far out in left field that it is absurd.

Fact. The United States per capita health care expenditures are 2 to 3 times what the rest of world pays. For the same level of care. And the rest of world uses a single payer (the government) system.

You are either an imposter or your company has an idiot working for them. I think the former.

Stupidity I can stomach. A phony such as yourself I can't.

I very well understand the damage caused by the likes of you and your party. You made your bed now sleep in it. You are part of a powerless minority.

[jharp]

"He's a useful fool for a machine that does nothing but oppress Americans, destroy the economy and create unwinnable wars."

Hmmmm. Do you mean the George Bush machine?

jharp does not support the machine you refer to.

[jharp]

Hey Mr. GRC (governance, risk and compliance) professional HatlessHessian,

Read this you phony jackass and talk to me about healthcare.

http://www.cfr.org/publication/13325/

[WBestPresidentEver]

Out of all the professions is the world today, there is more corruption, liars, thieves, and trashy scumbags in the political profession than any other profession on earth.
No wonder the world is so screwed up. It is all about power and money. Our money.
What a shame and no ones does anything about it but talk.
When will peoples of the world ban together and demand that it stop ?

Solution in America would be term limits for the senate and the house. I hope one day to see this happen in this country.

The way it is today, you have to know someone in high places or have money to gain political power. This needs to stop, too. Everyday common people coudl do a much better job of running this country.

Wishing and hoping this will happen down the road doesn't hurt. :O)

_____________
WOW, What a lunatic we have that comes here. I would have fun playing whack a mole with Jharps head. LoL

BTW...Harp....tell Obama mama to hurry up and send me my stimulas check. LMAO

[TheSpartan]

"I haven't yet had much to say about the election stealing nearly complete in Minnesota. Nothing is more disastrous, nor more dangerous for our Republic than corrupting the integrity of our elections as partisan politics is now doing more and more."

Bwahahahaha...seriously Dan, isn't this the same type of wingnuttery you and your ilk decried only 8 (and 4) years ago? There is no serious evidence of any wrongdoing in Minnesota. For some reason you choose to compare Franken to Ventura when a comparison to Reagan is more apt. You may not like Franken but he is aware of the issues, well educated and as prepared as any freshman senator is likely to be. So what if his previous career was writing for SNL, is this somehow worse than having a career as a B movie actor sharing a bed with a chimp? Or playing second fiddle to Cher...or playing "Gopher" on one of the worst TV shows of all-time?

[Philip McDaniel]

Interesting and clearly written posts, HatlessHessian, but lost on jharp. Most of us here ignore him or poke at him with a stick when we are in need of some idle amusement. He’s not a normal blogger – at least on a conservative blog. Notice how he refers to himself in the third person in this sentence:

“jharp does not support the machine you refer to.”

This is a common trait for ‘malignant narcissists.’ The other common trait is that in order to convince themselves they are great, knowledgeable above all others, etc. they must vigorously put down anyone who disagrees with them or indeed does not continually support their fantasies.

I’ve made light of it here on this blog but really it is a pathological condition not to be laughed at as they make people around them extremely unhappy. They work hard at getting into positions of power for the obvious reasons. There are quite a few in congress now days.

[Philip McDaniel]

LOL, Spartan!

[Fred Beloit]

I know Steve J. Harpo has pooped on his own plate often, but this time he has taken on a big tough opponent who has made Harpo look like Tom Thumb going nyaa, nyaa, na na nyaa naa. Harpo, cheer up. Take your severe drubbing as a learning experience.

[David M]

The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - Web Reconnaissance for 01/06/2009 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.

http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2009/01/web-reconnaissance-for-01062008.html

[Lala]

Is Harpo a drug addict? He's always talking about bongs and crack pipes.

[Anon]

Minnesota seems to have a penchant for electing semi weirdos to public office, much like California. However, it can't be denied that when the number of votes exceeds the number of registered voters that there is a BIG PROBLEM somewhere. and that goes for Florida, Ohio or Minn.

[SacTownMan]

Ah more medical expertise from the "Banned One", aka "Stinky".

"Fact. The United States per capita health care expenditures are 2 to 3 times what the rest of world pays. For the same level of care."

You continue to share this "fact" yet you can't possibly believe the crap you write.

Do you really think that the quality of health care in America and "the rest of the world" are at "the same level"?

So Uganda, Afganistan, Thailand, Syria, Cuba or even China are on par with America? You can't possibly expect anyone to follow your warped logic to any conclusion other than you are uninformed, poorly educated or just plain stupid.

While there may be some European countries that have comparable quality they are certainly in the minority.

It's time for a reload of the Kool-Aid!

[jharp]

"Do you really think that the quality of health care in America and "the rest of the world" are at "the same level"?"

I should have been more clear. The rest of the industrialized world. 31 countries to be specific. And yes they deliver the same level of care and everyone is insured.

"Researchers at Johns Hopkins Medical School estimate the United States spends 44 percent more per capita than Switzerland, the country with the second highest expenditures, and 134 percent more than the median for member states of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD)."http://www.cfr.org/publication/13325/"The United States spent 16 percent of its GDP in 2007 on health care, higher than any other developed nation."

"$7,421 per person in 2007 in the U.S" Do the math. Our expenses are 134% higher than the median.

It's time for you ditto heads to pull your heads out of your asses and try do do something about it.

[Lala]

By CARL CAMPANILE

"Two hospital workers helped uncover an alleged Medicaid drug-treatment scam that prosecutors say has cheated taxpayers out of $50 million, The Post has learned."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01062009/news/regionalnews/hosp_scambusters_147432.htm

[jharp]

"Two hospital workers helped uncover an alleged Medicaid drug-treatment scam that prosecutors say has cheated taxpayers out of $50 million, The Post has learned."

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01062009/news/regionalnews/hosp_scambusters_147432.htm

Posted by: Lala | Tuesday, January 06, 2009 at 01:59 PM

And what in the hell is your point? Bernie Madoff just screwed investors out of $50 BILLION too.

Should we do away with the New York Stock Exchange?

Good grief. My son is 15 years old and has three times the ability to reason as you right wing hacks.

[Fred Beloit]

Harpo (Steve J.) says Americans pay more for the same "quality" and "level" of care than other industrialized nations pay. However these two questions to Harp have gone unanswered:
"As for "quality", do you [Harpo] count short waits for important procedures as good quality and long waits as bad quality, or not count that at all? Just what do your sources mean by "quality"? And "level", what is meant by "level"? Does that mean the latest drugs and equipment available for treating everyone?"

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Monday, January 05, 2009 at 02:47 PM

[jharp]

Fred,

Try infant mortality rates and life expectancy for starters.

Then add in 42 million uninsured. What is the waiting time for them.

And tell me this Fred. How do you think it affects American business competitiveness in world markets when they pay 138% higher health care costs that their competitor.

And I got news for you, birdbrain. The waits in the United States are longer than many other countries.

[jharp]

And who the hell is Steve J?

[jharp]

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2008811120380

And this is where our health care system has taken us.

Traveling to fucking India for joint replacement. Does that make you proud of the system you defend? You are a hard headed ignorant fool.

[Bo]

I live in Minnesota. 45% of the people that live here would vote for Jeffrey Dahmer if he were nominated by the Democrats. It's a very shrill and partisan state in many parts. My boss actually said he voted for Obama because he was worried that his gun might get taken away. That's how some folks think here but they all pat themselves on the back for being smart.

[templar knight]

Dan, you continue to let jharp post his personal attacks on your blog. You are empowering the son of a bitch. It's one thing for a person to argue, it's quite another to have someone using a blog to launch personal attacks. It's quite pathetic that you continue to allow the bastard to post here.