Some Libs Need To Get Honest With Themselves

One must be harboring a lot of hate if they can't dispel it after 6 or 8 years.

Along with Krugman throwing one of his usual Bush hissy fits, there are pols and other Lefty pundits who just don't seem to want to let go of the blanket of anger they cloaked themselves in through Bush's term.

Hamsher points to Sheldon Whitehouse talking investigations, suggesting this is about giving a pass to "elites." But that's a transparent play.

Try to find any of these folks calling for the serious investigation into Chris Dodd that appears warranted, for instance.

Evidently only Democrats can wander the halls of power for longer than most and not be labeled an "elite."

In going after Bush after he leaves office they are out for nothing other than a full scale political prosecution. The Soviet Union may remain gone for now but the tactic of always going after your political opposition with something all too conveniently dressed up as the rule of law remains with us - too much so where today's American Left is concerned in my view.

They need to take a page from one of their favorite shadow groups and move on. 

Comments

[Lala]

Well, he can skip FISA according to this -

"Ever since the Bush Administration's warrantless wiretapping program was exposed in 2005, critics have denounced it as illegal and unconstitutional. Those allegations rested solely on the fact that the Administration did not first get permission from the special court created by the 1978 Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. Well, as it happens, the same FISA court would beg to differ.

In a major August 2008 decision released yesterday in redacted form, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, the FISA appellate panel, affirmed the government's Constitutional authority to collect national-security intelligence without judicial approval. The case was not made public before yesterday, and its details remain classified. An unnamed telecom company refused to comply with the National Security Agency's monitoring requests and claimed the program violated the Fourth Amendment's restrictions on search and seizure.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123206822799888351.html

[Fred Beloit]

The leftist nitwits in the Congress and our own village idiot Harpo won't get any help from the FISA Court:
http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2009/01/022562.php

"The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review has made public its decision, reached last August, that the federal government has the power to wiretap international phone calls and intercept e-mail messages without a specific court order, even when Americans' private communications may be involved."

[Fred Beloit]

Great minds think alike, isn't that so true, Lala?

[Fred Beloit]

As for Krugman, who seems to be at least a part owner of Memeorandum, he is there on almost a daily basis, he says:
"I’m sorry, but if we don’t have an inquest into what happened during the Bush years — and nearly everyone has taken Mr. Obama’s remarks to mean that we won’t — this means that those who hold power are indeed above the law because they don’t face any consequences if they abuse their power."

I'm sure he is for a thorough investigation and prosecution of the powerful NYT for printing leaked classified documents, which action is clearly illegal.

[SacTownMan]

BDS is alive and well!!

The pathetic life of the troll centers around George W. Bush as the cause of ALL of the things that are wrong with their lives, instead of just looking in the mirror!

These worthless losers will always turn a blind eye towards the real causes of the worlds problems. How easy it is to just point to President Bush and say... He did this! It's his fault that the bank loaned me $700,000 for a house on my $45,000 income and I'm bankrupt!

He caused all of the problems in the middle east, those folks over there loved America before he came along. Just forget about those other attacks like the Marine Barracks in Lebanon, the Cole, the African embassy bombings, the first attack on the world trade center that everyone seems to forget! Bushie did that too don't you know!

What will these MSM trolls do now but keep butt licking Barry and point at Bush for all of the worlds ills?

[Lala]

Yes, Fred.
It's good that we found two different sources.

[Fred Beloit]

Yep, otherwise it would have looked like collusion, or worse plagiarism.

[Anon]

In the interest of fairness I have to remind conservatives that there was a lot of "Bill Clinton did it" that went on these past years as well...

[Fred Beloit]

Sac and Dan are right. If you have your own belief that there is a Harvard lawyer who is a god, there must be conversely be a Yalie who is da debil.

[Lala]

Speaking of "elites"

Carol Browner, Barack Obama’s nominee for energy-environment “czar,” is quite the socialist -

"This was not the only time that Browner was accused of abusing her authority. According to a February 2001 report in Time magazine, the EPA was plagued with “festering racial problems” during Browner’s time in charge. One African-American EPA employee, Dr. Marsha Coleman-Adebayo, told Time that she’d been passed over for promotions for being “too uppity,” adding, "We [African-American employees] were treated like Negroes, to use a polite term. We were put in our place.” Coleman-Adebayo was later awarded $600,000 in damages in a settlement that found the EPA guilty of “discrimination and retaliation against whistleblowers.” Shortly thereafter, Congress passed the “No Fear” government whistleblower protection act in response to the Coleman-Adebayo v. Carol Browner decision. Dr. Coleman-Adebayo lamented in a recent interview, “The very woman I prevailed against in court is being elevated to a White House decision-level position.”

At least 150 EPA employees filed similar lawsuits during Browner’s time there. In one particularly bizarre incident, blogger Shawn Mallow notes, “Anita Nickens, an EPA specialist, and the only black present during a visit of Mrs. Browner, was told to clean the toilet prior to her arrival. Afterward, the rest of her white co-workers bragged about it.”

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B733BA80-D8A2-42FD-8859-C15F36C5A6A1

[Fred Beloit]

Bill Clinton DID do it, if you are talking about perjury, Anon.

[Anon]

I wasn't talking about perjury but I don't care and never did care about Clinton's relationship w/Lewinsky and for my money he should never have been asked the question in the first place since it had ZERO bearing on his role as president...that whole investigation was a travesty that the right should be ashamed of. It did however serve as the last example of Clinton's chief flaw which was always, always to stonewall and deny instead of tell the truth, which is what caused his presidency to be largely ineffective.

I was more talking about how Al Quada has been blamed on Clinton as well as a number of other economic and diplomatic issues that were blamed on Clinton for years after he left office.

[Lala]

Let's keep the record straight - it was the Jones' case that brought about the perjury - Lewinski was secondary.

"President Clinton lied under oath in his civil deposition about his discussions with Ms. Lewinsky concerning her involvement in the Jones case."

More Information
• Starr Report

• Clinton's Aug. 17 Grand Jury Testimony

• Clinton's Jan. 17 Paula Jones Deposition

• Full Coverage
Clinton Perjury Allegations

By Peter Baker
Thursday, September 24, 1998; Page A14

Independent counsel Kenneth W. Starr's report to Congress alleged that President Clinton committed perjury, obstructed justice, tampered with witnesses and abused power. Of the 11 counts laid out by Starr, five allege that Clinton lied under oath in his Jan. 17 deposition in the Paula Jones case and again in his Aug. 17 grand jury testimony.

http://media.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/clinton/stories/gperjury092498.htm

[jharp]

And the exclusionary rule is now almost worthless.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01152009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/when_cops_forget_150225.htm

This oughta put the wingnuts in a quandary. Wingnut Glen Reynolds is pissed at the wingnuts on the SCOTUS. Whose side to take?

Our Constitution has taken a real beating.

[Anon]

Um, maybe I'm not getting it, but all the perjury charges stem from what he said about his relationship with Lewinsky, not Jones.

[Anon]

The exclusionary rule has not taken a beating here, that is more liberal hyperbole, the ruling basically says that absent any evidence of an ongoing, systemic problem that simple clerical errors that occur which are unknown to the police are not enough to exclude evidence.

Do people really want paperwork errors and such to ensure that violent guilty people aren't prosecuted?

[Lala]

Anon, go to the link, it started with the Jones civil suit against him.

[jharp]

"One must be harboring a lot of hate if they can't dispel it after 6 or 8 years."

I don't hate anybody. I do hate what George Bush did though.

And I 100% agree that his actions should be investigated and whoever broke the law should be prosecuted. No one is above the law. Not even your King George.

After all, if he did nothing wrong he has nothing to worry about. Isn't that the reasoning you jackasses use to justify warrant less spying on Americans?

[Jimbo]

Geez, the nutjobs are out in force around here, huh? Clinton is not president. he hasn't been president for a lllloooonnnnggg tttttiiiimmmmeeee!!!! Get over it, already. You folks need to decide where your loyalty lies: either in the form of a man (bush) or the Constitution. It is really that simple - just like you folks. You can either follow behind bush - dirtying your nose the whole time - or you can look at the guiding principles we are governed by. You cannot be loyal to both our little boy king and the rule of law. make up your minds. Frankly, if every discussion on the Bush years gets yanked back into Clinton's issues, you folks are more delusional than your dear leader. Really.

Name anything Bush has touched which remains a success to this day. Don't use that GOP canard that he has kept us safe, because you know in your hearts he has only generated thousands more angry and motivated young people to avenge the unfair treatment in our torture prisons. And don't forget about the deaths due to the anthrax letters - which is still unsolved.

I am trying to imagine the huge whole in your lives now that you may have to think for yourselves. You can still tune into o'reilly and limbaugh for your daily talking points, so you have that going for you. I would prefer you simply did your own research and make up your own minds, but that isn't really your goal now is it? Your goal is to create a 'daddy state' where you have no minds of your own. Robots, I guess. Just GOP robots who think Jeebus walked the earth with the dinosaurs. This country is so in trouble if you folks don't grow up and look at the condition your idiot preznit left us in. If you still need to revere a monarch, may I suggest Saudi Arabia. You know Saudi Arabia right? That's where most of the 9/11 highjackers were from. Where 10 year old girls can be married off to old men. Where the country is the exact opposite of the philosophies America was founded on, but still Bush kisses their behinds. Why would that be?

[Philip McDaniel]

Oh, oh...I sense another rant session coming from the nitwit twit.

[Fred Beloit]

Here is another example of why the progressives should be more honest with themselves. There IS torture going on at Gitmo, and our government is doing nothing much about it. Waterboarding? Hell no, that isn't torture. THIS is torture:

"There are multiple assaults on guards every day, mostly verbal and sometimes physical. At least once a week, every week, at least one soldier is doused with a “body fluid cocktail” of feces and urine as they attempt to perform their daily routine. I asked one young female non-commissioned officer what happens after such an event. She explained that the soldier washes off and changes into a clean uniform, and after a medical evaluation is permitted to choose whether or not to return to the cell block.

The option is given so the soldier has the opportunity to calm down, process what happened, and seek out a chaplain or mental health professional if desired. Without my prompting, the NCO added that in the year that she had worked there, not one soldier had decided to take the rest of the day off."

A dose of terrorist Muzzie mung. And we would never even consider putting a small piece of bacon in their chow for committing an act like this. But we are "better than they are" so we permit our lads and lassies to be tortured like this and do nothing to punish the offender? And this means we are "better than they are". Well that is quite a comfort, that is.

[Fred Beloit]

Jimbo, however, says: "Don't use that GOP canard that he has kept us safe, because you know in your hearts he has only generated thousands more angry and motivated young people to avenge the unfair treatment in our torture prisons."

I bet Gynbo has Muzzie-munged a few honest citizens in his time. Why he's trying to do that here and now. Go eat a porkchop, you POS.

[Anon]

Bush isn't going to be investigated any more than he has already been, those people who want to see Cheney in jail are delusional. The time to call Bush to account for his flouting of the Constitution is long past. Nobody is going to jail. Me, I think Wolfowitz and Feith may belong in jail as well as Gonzales, but it is not going to happen. The country, and that includes the Democrats and all the liberal organizations sat by and did nothing but complain, the legal challenges to clearly illegal and unconstitutional moves never came. Congress rolled over when Cheney told them he was his own branch of government and so be it. It is TOO LATE for any of that now, all those precedents have been set now.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Isn't that the reasoning you jackasses use to justify warrant less spying on Americans?"

Actually, that shows the difference here; to Democrats like yourself, jharp, aiding and abetting terrorists is a good thing, and stopping them is a bad thing.

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/02/10/terror.trial.lawyer/

"You folks need to decide where your loyalty lies: either in the form of a man (bush) or the Constitution."

LOL.....given that liberals openly support denying people the right to vote and hold public office on the basis of their religious beliefs, denial and confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens, and confiscation of personal property by the government for redistribution to private citizens and businesses (see Kelo), what exactly is the definition of "loyal to the Constitution"?

Furthermore, Jimbo, let's not forget that you fully supported and endorsed Clinton's proven lying under oath. You make all sorts of allegations against Bush while ignoring and spinning that it was perfectly OK for Clinton to violate the Constitution. Why is that?

"Don't use that GOP canard that he has kept us safe, because you know in your hearts he has only generated thousands more angry and motivated young people to avenge the unfair treatment in our torture prisons."

Then, by that logic, there should have been no terrorist attacks whatsoever during Clinton's reign, since Democrats never do anything unfair to anyone.

Ever consider the possibility that these people are motivated by irrational hatred against the United States? Or does that not work in the "blame America first" Democrat Party, the one that calls our soldiers murderers and baby-killers and endorses and supports vandalism, violence, and hate speech against them?

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/371741.shtml

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/12/jodie-davis-code-pink-founder-obama-bundler-osama-apologist/

[mark l.]

"No one is above the law."

unless the crime is perjury and the perp is a sitting democrat president.

[jharp]

The exclusionary rule has not taken a beating here, that is more liberal hyperbole, the ruling basically says that absent any evidence of an ongoing, systemic problem that simple clerical errors that occur which are unknown to the police are not enough to exclude evidence.

Do people really want paperwork errors and such to ensure that violent guilty people aren't prosecuted?

Posted by: Anon | Friday, January 16, 2009 at 12:04 PM

Yes the exclusionary has taken a severe beating. Even wingnut Glenn Reynolds agrees.

The police can now arrest and search whomever they choose. And just plead that it was an honest mistake.

In case you didn't know ignorance of the law was not, nor ever has been an excuse, until now.

[Philip McDaniel]

Fred, the only good thing to come about from all this is that we are not capturing as many on the battlefield as before...if you get my drift.

[Fred Beloit]

Another butt plug chimes in: "I think Wolfowitz and Feith may belong in jail as well as Gonzales, but it is not going to happen."

Might one inquire as to the charges, Anon?

[Fred Beloit]

Lawyers on the battlefield, Phil. We ask a hell of a lot from our young soldiers.

[Anon]

As usual you are wrong, they don't call it the "exclusionary" rule for no reason and if you actually read the decision you would see that it is not broad but very, very narrow and there are plenty of loopholes for judges to decide on a case by case basis whether or not clerical errors should bar evidence, it does not mean or even close to mean that police can arrest and search anyone they want to, in fact it has nothing to do with arrests at all, only with bureaucratic mistakes as they relate to warrants.

[jharp]

"Nobody is going to jail."

Very sad to say I must agree with you on that.

Don't think any of them, Feith, Wolfowitz, Bush, Cheney, or Gonzales are going to be doing any travel outside the U.S though. I take a little comfort in that. Just a little.

[Anon]

Wolfowitz and Feith for falsifying evidence and perjury; Gonzales for perjury.

[Fred Beloit]

What perjury, may I ask, Anon.

[Fred Beloit]

Falsifying evidence? Evidence of what?

[North Dallas Thirty]

It shouldn't surprise anyone that jharp, the Obama and Bill Ayers supporter, wants to hate the police. He and his fellow leftists still don't see anything wrong with planting bombs to kill police officers; in fact, he supports giving the people who do so hundreds of millions of dollars to teach children to hate police just like he does.

[jharp]

"it does not mean or even close to mean that police can arrest and search anyone"

Yes, it does. All it takes is one other law enforcement official to "accidentally" claim there is a warrant when there is none. It gives the police power they have never ever had.

Why do you hate the Constitution?

[Fred Beloit]

Harpo has his Muzzie mung semi-auto out and is shooting the place up.

[Philip McDaniel]

I think our men in combat and their unit commanders know what the score is...61 detainees showed back up on the battlefield from what I hear, by the way. Let's not go into details, Fred, but I think our guys can handle the situation from now on without anything like Gitmo.

[Anon]

Wolfowitz and Feith falsified evidence that Saddam Hussein possessed WMD, had acquired new WMD, had tried to acquire yellow cake uranium and that Iraq was a 'threat' to the U.S. as well as all the rest of the massive massaging and editing of intelligence reports to say what they wanted them to say.

My opinion is that Wolfowitz lied his ass off in his testimony to Congress and so did Gonzales, so, there is your perjury.

[Anon]

OMG you are such a fool. READ the decision!!! It does not mean the police can say there is a warrant when there isn't one or never was one. In this particular case the police executed what they thought was as VALID warrant, because of a procedural glitch that he police KNEW NOTHING ABOUT that occured in another county the warrant was no longer outstanding. Thus, the police acted in good faith at the time they executed what they thought was a valid warrant. The error had nothing to do with the police or even with police record keeping, but was a separate division. Again, you know nothing you didn't read in the headlines of some blog yesterday, there are ALREADY EXCEPTIONS for when police act in good faith. How many ways do you want to tie the hands of law enforcment to enable clearly guilty people to go free based on PROCEDURAL errors? We aren't talking about made up informants that don't exist or cops planting evidence or lying about what happened, we're talking about paperwork.

[Fred Beloit]

You mean this yellow cake?
"The UN's nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), was very upset last week that the US had shipped about 1.8 tons of low—enriched uranium and other radioactive material out of Iraq for disposition in the US. One would think that the IAEA would have appreciated our work in assisting them in the implementation of the provisions of the Non—Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in this particularly volatile region of the world. But one would be wrong."

From American Thinker blog.

[Jimbo]

"No one is above the law."

unless the crime is perjury and the perp is a sitting democrat president.

There you go again...Democrat president? Not Democratic president? So you all do take your cues from the nutjobs, huh? And still dragging ancient history back to the discussion? I thought my previous words were clear about your goals and ideas - they are dead. Dead as the regional party the GOP has become. The GOP is filled with uneducated, backward losers who do not know how to adjust to life without 'dear leader' to guide them. Where can you turn to get the best way to disparage the progressives? I know it will be difficult for you to honor the new administration, but the fact is that the Obama administration will take better care of you and your family than the GOP. If you're union, the GOP wants to shut it down. If you don't have health care, too bad. If your pension just got whacked from the financial meltdown (again, also on Bush's watch), too bad. If you just lost your home, too bad. If you are in the mlitary and you want to retire, forget about it. As long as the GOP wants to start mulitple wars, you are going to be 'drafted' and forced to fight wars to benefit the GOP - not America. The cartoon characters you folks seem to revere are cowards and charlatans. They force you and your loved ones to fight in illegal wars, but they sit at home and cheerlead the destruction - never to be in harms way (excpet if you go birdhunting with Cheney). You have been had and you are starting to realize the lies you bought. I think that is a good sign.

[jharp]

"READ the decision!!!

I did read it. And I also read the dissents. Maybe you should try that. And here is another piece you should try.

"http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/the-surpassing-significance-of-herring/

Good friggin grief. Glenn Reynolds, a tried and true wingnut, agrees it is a horrible decision. You won't be happy until our Constitution is in shreds.

Why do you hate America?

[Fred Beloit]

Anon: "My opinion is that Wolfowitz lied his ass off in his testimony to Congress and so did Gonzales, so, there is your perjury."

My opinion is that you are lying and there is absolutely no evidence of perjury in the cases you mentioned; but I made a New Year's resolution not to re-argue cases already won with people who prefer to remain close-minded, so I'm not going to waste further time on you over this moonbat nonsense you have introduced.

[jharp]

http://www.scotusblog.com/wp/the-surpassing-significance-of-herring/

Try this Anon.

[Fred Beloit]

Why Ginbo, what a veritable mountain of Muzzie mung you have shown us. Where do you get it all, from Muffington Post? Are you trying to best Harpo at the head village idiot game?

[Anon]

Nobody outside of NYC and Detroit and "progressives" who never met a stereotype about 'workers' they didnt' like cares about unions anymore, they account for about 10% of the workforce, nothing Obama can do including deprive 'workers' of the right to vote in private is going to change that.

Obama's health care plan is going to cost billions more than he admits and everyone knows it except liberal dolts who care only about propaganda but never bother to do the math.

If your pension just got whacked you are shit out of luck and Obama isn't going to change that, you seem to forget that Obama appears to care the most about people who don't work at ALL, not anyone who worked for enough years to get a pension. LOL. Obama is going to take your pension and give it to some shiftless welfare recipient and call it a tax rebate.

If 'you' just lost your home, unless you also lost your job or incurred some kind of unforseen expenses then you deserve to lose your house. But, you are right, Obama is going to make sure that every dirtbag making $30K a year who bought a $300K house gets to keep it, screw the banks, screw the 90% of people whose mortgages are not in trouble, they are the ones who are going to pay for the stupid/greedy group that are living in houses they don't deserve and can't afford.

The GOP is not to blame for the Iraq War, that is on the neocons.

[jharp]

"Obama is going to take your pension and give it to some shiftless welfare recipient and call it a tax rebate."

Utter and complete nonsense. And it makes you look stupid even posting such hogwash.

"The GOP is not to blame for the Iraq War, that is on the neocons."

So the neocons are democrats? You losing it buddy. The Iraq War is George Bush's baby. And George Bush is the GOP's baby. And you know it.

[Anon]

No, I'm not losing it, the neocons are a cult like group that took over huge portions of the Bush White House, before that, they had largely been relegated to the scrap heap of history. Wolfowitz has never been right about anything in his whole career. If you remember Bush got elected in 2000 promising to stop meddling in the affairs of other countries...If you remember, prior to 9/11 Cheney and Rumsfeld were proto typical GOP conservative hawks who were big on deterence and not too big on building democracy. The real story of the Bush presidency is how and why the neocons were able to co opt Bush and Cheney and take over foreign policy up to and including fighting a war based on false information.

[Fred Beloit]

Steve P. (Harpo to us) says: "The Iraq War is George Bush's baby. And George Bush is the GOP's baby. And you know it." No, we don't Harpo. The Congress backed him every step of the way. It is our government's war, just like Afghanistan.
For more of Steve P., if you have the stomach for it, go here http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/a-firsthand-look-at-the-real-guantanamo/#comments and scroll way down.