Genie, Bottle

Apparently a rather disturbed individual is threatening ... a blogger for posting a video of him talking about Iraq.

Seems kind of strange as the extended video below from here, in which he appears to confess to a potential crime is even worse.

Comments

[Alice H]

Eh, I'd say 'threat' is a little strong. (I'm the blogger in question.) Or should I say, I don't feel threatened by his email. He may have meant it as a veiled threat, but it wasn't scary to me. Probably because I know we have a million billion crack legal minds on our side who would be happy to thump him on the head.

Another fun link - here's his Congressional hearing, courtesy of This Ain't Hell: http://thisainthell.us/blog/?p=1670.

[jharp]

Leave the man alone you jackass. I, nor you, have any idea of the stress and life changing experience of watching and participating in the death and destruction caused by our unnecessary invasion and occupation.

Is this your idea of supporting our troops?

You should look around, I'm sure there are plenty of other soldiers you could find to ridicule. A disgusting vile post. The man probably needs help not your criticism.

[Techie]

So, he "removed the bolts" from the rifles from the "company" of Iraqi forces?

And these Iraqi forces didn't notice that their guns were a pound lighter, couldn't load, and had a gaping hole in them?

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

[Techie]

Oh, I'm perfectly willing to believe that he needs help.

[TRO]

Please, jharp, my bet is that this guy was crazy long before he was sent to Iraq.

[Lala]

AliceH, welcome, be prepared to be called vile names by the compassionate, caring, liberals on this site.

[Alice H]

I'd call exposing nutjobs like this, who self-admittedly try to kill people they don't even know, and fake a suicide attempt to try to get out of the military, supporting our troops, jharp. This sort of thing needs to be exposed. And I don't really see where Dan was attacking him. One could even argue that we're doing as Kristofer Goldsmith asked, by bearing witness to his statements.

You, on the other hand, went straight for the profanity. Nice display of cohesive and rational thought and planning.

[Alice H]

I'm used to it, LaLa. My whole family is liberal. I doubt anyone here could beat anything I've been called by my family.

[jharp]

Please, jharp, my bet is that this guy was crazy long before he was sent to Iraq.

Posted by: TRO | Wednesday, January 14, 2009 at 06:39 PM

And how in the fuck would have even the slightest idea?

Please, leave the guy alone. I am sure he has been thru hell and it is sickening and disgusting to criticize him.

[jharp]

"I'd call exposing nutjobs like this, who self-admittedly try to kill people they don't even know, and fake a suicide attempt to try to get out of the military, supporting our troops, jharp."

And you are a vile troop hating piece of scum. Why don't you put your boots on and get over to Iraq and see how you come out of it.

"This sort of thing needs to be exposed."

It is a for profit adventure for you at the expense of a soldier. Nothing more.

"And I don't really see where Dan was attacking him."

Only by putting the post up.

[Alice H]

I doubt he's been through as much hell as the people whose deaths he allegedly caused. Or the true soldiers whose reputations have been tarnished by his Winter Soldier testimony.

[jharp]

"I doubt he's been through as much hell as the people whose deaths he allegedly caused."

And you have no idea. And allegedly is the correct term.

"Or the true soldiers whose reputations have been tarnished by his Winter Soldier testimony."

So now he's not a true soldier? You are the worst of the worst right wing hacks. You're nothing but an opportunist profiting on the pain and suffering of our soldiers.

[Dan Riehl]

Oh, Jharp ... we feel your pain. LOL

But you still need to work on cleaning up the language. I feel it dishonors our troops, which this post is, in part, about!

[North Dallas Thirty]

Actually, jharp, that would be you.

You and your leftist party fully support and endorse calling our troops murders and baby-killers, as well as having governments declare them "uninvited and unwelcome intruders" and encouraging people to vandalize and harass them.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/371741.shtml

And Barack Obama fully supports and endorses this behavior as well.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/12/jodie-davis-code-pink-founder-obama-bundler-osama-apologist/

So jharp and his fellow Democrats fling their hatred at our troops when they're doing their jobs -- but fully support and endorse them when they're namecalling their fellow soldiers and deliberately sabotaging our allies.

[jharp]

I'll do better. Sometimes it just seems like the most effective way to get my point across. My weakness, I know.

[Rolf]

Wow, Alice H. What fun links. You should be so proud. You're surely one of GW Bush's shining stars.

[SacTownMan]

So out of a quarter million troops in service this guy is supposed to represent the poor abused American soldier!

This loser makes me sick!

What kind of warped mind does it take to place fellow warriors in harms way by disabling their weapons so they are defenseless to protect their fellow countrymen from foriegn terrorists willing to kill innocent women and children as easily as squishing a bug?

Yea, all of his squad did the same thing, probally the same buddies that ran over the dogs and played with the skulls from the Atlantic Magazine articles.

This punk should be brought up on charges and tried in an Iraqi court.

He dishonors all of the men and women that have served our military!

The bottom line is this guy was loser when he went in.

His future is one of being a poster child for the Far left America haters.

I could swear I was watching John Kerry selling out his country all over again!

[jharp]

"So out of a quarter million troops in service this guy is supposed to represent the poor abused American soldier!"

No. No one has claimed such. And only an idiot who spends his days as a data entry clerk could possibly imagine such.

"This loser makes me sick!"

Nice. Slurring a soldier. You make me sick. Sitting in your cubicle bashing someone who risked their life.

"What kind of warped mind does it take to place fellow warriors in harms way by disabling their weapons so they are defenseless to protect their fellow countrymen from foriegn terrorists willing to kill innocent women and children as easily as squishing a bug?"

If it is in fact true I would say a very troubled mind. And mostly likely a mind who was so distressed and disturbed by what he was a part of probably wasn't thinking clearly.

"The bottom line is this guy was loser when he went in."

Why do you hate our military? You have no idea what this man went through nor do have any idea his condition when he went in. Just shut up and quit bashing our soldiers. Traitor.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"No one has claimed such."

Yup. He did. Too bad his lies were caught on camera, which is why he's trying to get them pulled down.

"Nice. Slurring a soldier. You make me sick.

Just shut up and quit bashing our soldiers. Traitor."

Hypocrisy, given how jharp and his party fully endorse slurring, attacking, vandalizing, and publicly harassing soldiers -- and vote for it to be done by local governments.

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/371741.shtml

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/12/jodie-davis-code-pink-founder-obama-bundler-osama-apologist/

[HHKirst]

He disassembled and removed the bolts of all those AK's, and not one of the Iraqi's tried to put a round in the chamber before going on patrol and noticed? He's full of sh*t.

[MikeB]

Jharp
Thanks for your comments. I just got back (3 months ago)after a year of working day in and day out all over Iraq, including Rustymaya, Beyji, Taji, Tikrit(Speicher) and of course, good ol B-dad (the AF base at Al Muthana, FOB Honor, etc). I was specifically tasked with training their Air Force guys, and worked closely with the MITTs doing the same thing with the Army. Strange duty for a pilot. Best year of my professional life. Believe it or not; cant help it if you don't....
This guy is full of shit.
I think I DO have an "...idea what this man went through..". When you give this ass credibility, you (knowingly or unknowingly) shame and defile entire platoons (who he says engaged in this criminal, punishable behavior with him) of the best young men and women I have ever seen. You are saying that NO ONE, above him or below him in rank (and there are lots above this shitbird) believed in the UCMJ or in their mission enough to butt stroke his sorry ass when he deliberately sabotaged an ally's weapon. Especially, an Ally he was CHARGED with training. Do you understand that you indignant little lib? His flipping MISSION was to conduct joint patrols, and its not because the Iraqis are teaching us anything, he was supposed to be teaching them. By his actions, he was endangering his "brothers and sisters" who also he states are shitpiles along with him. So he incited an entire unit to, in essence, mutiny. Which is of course, punishable by death. He was extending OUR mission there by destabilizing the Iraqi military. He also insults the Iraqis that I worked with, daily, who were some of the bravest folks I've met.
And you defend this ass.
And you insult my friends and comrades on the right.
You call them traitors? Would you like to go into the roles of the Democrats sabotaging our military daily?

Why do you think the military votes about 80% R?
But then, Im not very smart, I did get stuck in Iraq, just in time for the surge to fail.

Well; to bed. I gotta get up early and go "air raiding and killing civilans!''

[johnd01]

jharp, you're so cute when you are angry... kinda like that kid in the cereal aisle when his mom told him that they were out of Froot Loops.

[mark l.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xky8D8iJcXA

Goldsmith:

"Before I go on, I want to say that I do not blame 'you'- as congress members as many americans do, I do NOT BLAME the president for not ending the war, I blame the people of america and their apathy becuase they are responsible...you are responsible to them, to follow what they say, and they have not a good enough job to convince the rest of your peers, mainly republicans, to fight to bring our troops home and save lives in both america and iraq...(sob)...next slide."

(4:00-4:34)

sounds like he has given a bush a pass and blames jharp for not doing enough to end the war. maybe the dude isn't totally crazy.

[NavVet]

The lefties are pretty upset that just about every 'veteran' that speaks out against the war turns out to be a fake. Mention the fact that the 'veteran' is a fake, and you are pilloried for slurring a soldier.
The older (baby boomer) lefties are also pretty upset that cowardice is not as fashionable as it was in the Viet nam era.
Our current all volunteer force has done and will continue to do such an admirable job, often in spite of F.U.B.A.R. leadership, that each and every one of them should be thanked personally every time you see one of them.

[jharp]

Posted by: MikeB

"Why do you think the military votes about 80% R?

Bullshit. There is no evidence to support your ludicrous claim.

"But then, Im not very smart,"

Obviously. Yet always refreshing to see a wingnut come clean and speak the truth. And you are a phony too.

"This guy is full of shit."

Maybe so, maybe not. No one here knows what he went through. The guy served. He's obviously struggling. It's wrong to for a bunch of cowards to drag him through the mud because they disagree with his message.

[jharp]

jharp, you're so cute when you are angry.

Posted by: johnd01

I am 100% heterosexual and have no interest in exchanging cute remarks with another man.

[jharp]

Our current all volunteer force has done and will continue to do such an admirable job, often in spite of F.U.B.A.R. leadership, that each and every one of them should be thanked personally every time you see one of them.

Posted by: NavVet | Wednesday, January 14, 2009 at 10:49 PM

Except the ones that speak out against the war according to the troglodytes posting here.

And I'm confused, the leadership begins with the commander in chief, George Bush. So George Bush is F.U.B.A.R?

I agree with you NavVet. Though you are in a distinct minority here.

[SacTownMan]

Thanks Dallas.

But for a little background for you and those proud American's who's opinions I actually do respect I was born on November 11th, Veterans Day, in a US Air Force military hospital. As the child of a career military soldier I lived on Guam during the Vietnam war and I'm well aware of the difficult life of a soldier.

In 1962 my father stayed within a two minute dash of his KC-135 Air Refueling tanker on the tarmac with engines running waiting to be sent off during the Cuban Missle Crisis prepared to defend future losers like Harpo and this guy from nuclear annihilation! He flew missions over Vietnam countless times around the same time Hanoi Jane was being used for propaganda to sell her country out.

http://www.rt66.com/~korteng/SmallArms/hanoijan.htm

When we returned I clearly recall this guy's scum bag predissesor, John Kerry, make claims to congress comparing patriots like my dad to Genghis Khan!

http://facultystaff.richmond.edu/~ebolt/history398/JohnKerryTestimony.html

This isn't the first time an American soldier has been a tool for America's haters and it won't be the last. He is an embarasssment to himself and the uniform he wears in the video as he slurs his fellow soldier's when he claims they were complacent in his fantasy land of hate!

He gives aid and comfort to our enemies during a time of war and places other American soldiers serving in Iraq at risk by fanning the flames of American hatred!

[mark l.]

goldsmith's group

IVAW failed to draw much coverage when they sought to recreate the 1971 Winter Soldier event.

how credible were they?

The NYT public editor explains why he wouldn't offer them coverage:

"News organizations like the Times, with its own substantial investment in independent reporting from Iraq tend to prefer their own on-scene accounts of the war, rather than relying on charges and counter-charges at home by organizations with strongly held political viewpoints about the war.

Sincerely,
Clark Hoyt"

not credible enough for the NYT, but good enough for jharp.

did see that goldsmith was in 3rd ID-

"3rd ID completes re-up goal in unprecedented time

The 3rd Infantry Division, headquartered at Fort Stewart, Ga., completed its fiscal year 2008 retention goal in less than six months, which most view as a phenomenal act.

This is unprecedented according to the division’s retention sergeant major. “I’ve been in this career field for 16 years, and I’ve never known of a division to meet its goal in such a short time,” said Sgt. Maj. Kelvin Raibon, the 3rd Infantry Division Retention sergeant major.

This is the division’s third deployment to Iraq since 2003, but its high operational tempo did not stop 4,000 Soldiers from re-enlisting. Even more troops will follow their lead, and by the end of March one battalion with the 3rd Heavy Brigade Combat Team, out of Fort Benning, Ga., will have met its retention goal twice.

The 1st Battalion, 15th Infantry Regiment is four Soldiers away from retaining 200 percent of its goal.

These Soldiers are working together to defend their nation. This is why they joined and why they re-enlisted, said Sgt. 1st Class Thomas Olson, 3rd HBCT senior career counselor.

The 3rd Infantry Division, which is currently the headquarters for Multi-National Division – Center in southwest Baghdad, arrived in theater as part of the Surge. Its Soldiers are serving a 15-month deployment with the combat mission to stop insurgents from bringing bomb-making materials into Baghdad. Within the year, Soldiers have secured most areas, and have begun working closely with the Iraqi Security Forces and tribal leaders to build the economy and make life better for its citizens."

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/029913.html

jharp-aren't you a little curious why they reenlist? don't let this be an indictment on kristofer-his service is a credit to his character, but if you want to pass judgement, you haven't heard from all the witnesses.

[adelphi]

This guy is so full of crap his eyes are brown and he is a disgrace to the NCO corps. And yeah, I speak from experience as a ground squadron operations officer and commander. Do you think for a moment he became a shitbird only after he got out of the Army? No doubt he was a tremendous pain in the ass to everybody in his unit that was forced to endure his antics. Oh, I can see him now stealthily slipping through the night removing a hundred rifle bolts without a sound, pockets bulging with clanking metal bolts. Did he stuff in his Camelbak? Besides, the AK requires the bolt to be retracted to chamber a round. So evryone around this rat turd was derelict in that they failed to ensure the weapons control status of the soldiers before stepping? You mean his squad, section, and platoon, leaders? Only a moron (I'm thinking of you Jharp) without the slightest clue of anything military would believe this bullshit. Assholes like him are the exception thank God. Cluesless morons who are ready to swallow this sediton are not. Save your sympathy for the real soldiers and families coping with the effects of their deployment(s). The last time I checked, compulsive lying, self aggrandizement, and being a seditious scumbag were not symptoms of PTSD. No excuse, the Army should recall to active duty (if he is still in the IRR) and court martial him. Of course he would immediately recant as the coward he is. So sue me, I've seen enough of his type to spot one a mile away in 21 years in the Army.

[mikeb]

Jharp.
Not really used to being called a coward; most people are just happy to thank me for my service. Its my honor to do so. You're very convinced that I'm a phony, but you're pretty sure that this guy "served", because he insults us and dresses in a uniform, but, "There is no evidence to support your ludicrous claim". You cant possibly get a uniform like that anywhere but "in the shit".

I said ABOUT 80% vote R. You say "There is no evidence to support your ludicrous claim". Thats just based on 20 years and a few polls its probably not exact, but I'll bet its close.; thank you for providing evidence to the contrary.
I said that "Im not very smart, I did get stuck in Iraq"; most probably picked up on the fact that that was a play on words that another phony used to refer to guys like me. How do you feel about John Kerry slurring me and mine? Pilots are called many things, generally not stupid. Sorry that was lost on you. My 2500 hours, including 543 Combat was sheer luck. How do you feel about Super Harry telling us that the surge has failed and the war is lost, in the middle of the op? (that ones not a direct quote).

The point is, there are several on this site that seemed to have military experience, and you're fine with insulting, and denigrating them all, including me, but you are vehement in your defense of this guy that you don't know (do you?) and you dont seem to understand, through actual military experience, why this guys story is ....unlikely. EVERY time ANYONE, especially a joint op, goes outside the wire, you throw a round in the chamber, weapon hot. Everytime. Thats when you would notice that the part of the gun you use to do that is, well, gone. We had to work on getting our guys to UNLOAD and CLEAR the weapons.
If you are truly defending the troops, thanks. Not all "troops" are telling the truth, and thus aren't worthy of your defense. If you're just baiting everyone here, then you are as vile as he says he is.

[jharp]

No one here knows whether the guy is telling the truth, lying, exaggerating, mentally ill, a profiteer, suffering PTSD, or whatever.

Leave the guy alone. He served. He's obviously struggling. It's best that he gets some help and is ignored.

Us lefties know that listening to guys like him is not the path to the truth, whatever the truth might be.

For whatever reason the wingnuts get all excited about guys like this. I figure it's Limbo and Hannity on the brain. If they hear it aired publicly then people are going to think it must be true. Only birdbrains think like that.

[Mikeb]

Oh, and nicely done adelphi!

[Techie]

jharp is willing to believe the worst about any outfit, his/her/its protests to the contrary.

[MikeB]

J!
THE REASON WINGNUTS GET ALL EXCITED ABOUT GUYS LIKE THIS IS BECAUSE HE IS LYING ABOUT THE CONDUCT OF THE TROOPS YOU SAY YOU ARE DEFENDING!
jeez

"If they hear it aired publicly then people are going to think it must be true. Only birdbrains think like that."

Agreed.
Now, why did you say you believed his story again?

Out

[Dan]

"Leave the guy alone."

Where's the accountability in that Jharp? He raised his head and fired his weapon (his mouth in this case) - suddenly it's wrong to fire back? Why, because he supports the liberal view?

I call bullshit on that.

[SacTownMan]

I second that bullshit and raise you a horseshit!

[jharp]

"Leave the guy alone."

Where's the accountability in that Jharp?

I might or might not be wrong. I will openly admit that. And the same is true of the wingnuts.

To me the guy has just been through hell and deserves the benefit of the doubt. That's all. And to be honest I don't see how he hurts or helps either side in the debate. His little presentation is not taken seriously by people who deal with common sense and reason.

I wish the guy the best. I hope he finds peace and can get on with his life.

[Chris]

Careful Dan. Jharp will come in here and call everyone ignorant. And that ends the conversation in his mind.

[jharp]

"Now, why did you say you believed his story again?"

I didn't. I made the case that no one here knew.

[adelphi]

Combat, PTSD, or any other service related malady does not give you a pass on personal responsibilty. I don't need to know this disgrace personally (although I could probably find out in about a day), nothing justifies his blatant lies and vilification of the servicemen of our country. It is obvious that he is lying about his experiences to anybody who has served in Iraq- I throw the bullshit flag. Setting aside his alleged (lets see some evidence from the VA) illness, he is on multiple videos impugning the character, service, courage, and competency of his fellow soldiers and chain-of-command. He states that he personally disobeyed orders, incited mutiny, and was derelict in the performance of his duties, endangering the lives of his fellow soldiers. All are punishible under the UCMJ. Mind you, he convicts himself with his own statements, regardless of their incredulity. It is painful to see the naivitae of people willing to believe anything he said. Are you really that gullible? It would be interesting to be there when (and it will happen) he runs across some of his fellow platoon members, as there will be no doubt a settling of accounts. I venture that they will be much less willing to let such slights to their honor and integrity pass without "comment". Eventually the organizations that are manipulating him will toss him aside as he loses whatever residual value he once had to them. Life has a way of squaring accounts, and no doubt he will be paid tenfold.

[Fred Tucker]

"Us lefties know that listening to guys like him is not the path to the truth, whatever the truth might be."

Haha...man you lefties lie so often that it just rolls off the tongue. No, you "patriots" on the left NEVER listen to people like this. Never. They are just front and center at every scumbag rally you guys attend on the day you are not collecting your unemployment check.

It appears the guy was kicked out of the military...I'M SHOCKED! Another liberal joining the military simply to get free gubment handouts, but when he is actually called to do his job whines like the seeping vaginas they are.

Expose them daily. Phony soldier.

[SacTownMan]

Del says,

"Life has a way of squaring accounts, and no doubt he will be paid tenfold."

Truer words were never spoken my friend!

We all have to account for our words and actions at some point.

How many of the moonbats that post here have ever given blood, donated their time or money to a church or charity?

They love to have the government bail them out or give them a free ride but just ask to actually "HELP" someone or something other than themselves and you get the old Freddie Prinze of "Chico and the Man" line of "Es Nooot My Jooob!!

[Ruggmeister]

Primadonna...

I've known plenty of Vets that are not proud of all their choices made while in-country, but I'll tell you what...none of them are blowing the batteries out of a bullhorn whining about it to anyone! You made a CHOICE buddy, live with it...get over it...move on!

...out

[Philip McDaniel]

Actually, watching and listening to the video it is easy to dismiss what this guy is saying. Anyone who is in the military or has ever been knows why. The claims are ludicrous. Were they even close to the truth he would not have received just a dishonorable discharge, he would have received a court martial and be serving time at the very least. Most likely this is a John Kerry wanabe, but with a little less brains.
What is really interesting is the immediate reaction from jharp. That, my friends, is the typical left wing nutter’s response. I saw it during the Viet Nam conflict as well. Notice how jharp begins a crawfish step when confronted and his bullying rants are swept aside. He’s the Universal Leftist and his song is always the same.

[Perry O'Brien]

Hi everyone. As one of the organizers of "Winter Soldier: Iraq & Afghanistan," I'm always interested in reading these debates about the limits of soldiers' and veterans' perceived moral authority to speak out about their experiences. Discounting the personal attacks, it seems that the thread above revolves around two points of disagreement:

1. The legitimacy of anti-war veterans' military service and experiences
2. The right of anti-war vets to speak out, even if it means criticizing the behavior of their fellow soldiers

As for number 1, I was one of the veterans of IVAW who developed a verification process for all testifiers. We took this process very seriously, and even told testifiers that if they falsified stories or documents, we would submit reports to authorities to have them prosecuted under the Stolen Valor Act of 2005. Every veteran submitted a DD214, in addition to photos of themselves overseas, and often, photographs proving their claims. We also collected corroborating testimony from soldiers that had served with the testifier. Posters above suggest that antiwar veterans have been proven to be "fakers," but I would challenge everyone on this thread to find a testifier from "Winter Soldier: Iraq and Afghanistan" who never served.

As for number 2, it always strikes me as strange that some on the right believe US veterans should be prohibited from exercising the civil liberties they swore to protect. Even stranger, in my mind, is the belief that the military should never be criticized from within. When soldiers witness illegal and immoral behavior, shouldn't they report it? And shouldn't US civilians, who (in theory) have constitutional control over war, be informed about the realities of modern war and military service?

[mark l.]

"It's best that he gets some help and is ignored."
-jharp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xky8D8iJcXA

the above link is to his testimony before the "Congression Progressive Caucus"...

I guess even libs need their 'heroes'.

Dailykos still believes in him...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/29/163053/79/814/646016

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/10/16/141726/77/932/632661

[ET]

--"I am 100% heterosexual."

except for that one time in college, eh jharp?

[mark]

"As for number 2, it always strikes me as strange that some on the right believe US veterans should be prohibited from exercising the civil liberties they swore to protect."

It strikes me as strange that those on the left think it is a violation of someone's civil liberties to criticize a man who is either lying or broke the law or both. Now the moron is threatening libel suits against the people who are merely posting videos of him speaking. Who is trying to violate who's civil liberties again?

[mark l.]

"it seems that the thread above revolves around two points of disagreement:

1. The legitimacy of anti-war veterans' military service and experiences
2. The right of anti-war vets to speak out, even if it means criticizing the behavior of their fellow soldiers"

actually it is more about the progressives who elevate individuals based upon the 'crediblity' of the veterans who do not support our mission in Iraq and discount the beliefs held by those who remain committed to the mission. The majority of those who are standing on Goldsmith's shoulders never saw a war worth fighting.

for me, it isn't about service, but those who would seek to exploit the service of others to further their own causes.

Is goldsmith a champion to the progressives becuase of his character, or becuase he reinforces what they believe?

Watch, the moment Bush leaves office, Goldsmith will have outlived his usefullness to the left, and get discarded like a outdated newspaper.

As a side note, I share your opposition to Afghanistan (not to our presense there, but in regards to escalating), but since our new President is the darling of the progressives, the scaffold that the left has provided your organization with is about to be dismantled upon obama's inauguration. At that point, you will hold no more value than any other soldier, who might believe in what he is fighting for.

additional reading?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot