Butch Broads Free To Chase Sargent Stripes Under Obama

Well, at least butch chicks will have an alternate career path to gym teacher after they wrap up their high school softball career.

Some will call it progress, others will say this type of social engineering is best left out of the military. I'd agree with the latter point.

I bet the New York Times is salivating to turn up its first instance of an openly gay individual in the military being assaulted by another service member. They'll have a ball running down the entire military culture with that one.

WASHINGTON (AFP) – Sixteen years after Bill Clinton tried to end restrictions on gays in the military, the US armed forces under Barack Obama may be forced to give homosexuals the same welcome as non-gays.

Keep going Uh-bama. Nothing like making yourself look too liberal in preparation for 2012. You won't be able to hide who you are next time out.

Comments

[mark l.]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_laws_of_the_world

even if legal in the us military, here's a few choice countries where it is illegal-

somalia, bahrain, lebanon, and syria.

How does it work?
You don't want to go overseas, you get an honorable discharge?

on the bright side, legal in rwanda.

[Lala]

In the old days of the military draft I knew guys who claimed to be gay in order not to be drafted. Today I wonder how many enlisted men and women just claim to be gay in order to get out.

[SacTownMan]

I'm sure those special forces guys will be very accepting of a couple of fudge packer buddies in their unit. Should be great for unit morale.

Just wait until the first instance of a "hate crime" lawsuit against troops that refuse to serve alongside the "Butch Brigade"

Looks like "I got your back" will have a completely new meaning in the "new", "accepting" military.

Next they will plan to add a new unit to the "Elite Forces"... They will just call em the "Rump Rangers"

[IslamoLlama]

"-- even if legal in the us military, here's a few choice countries where it is illegal-

somalia, bahrain, lebanon, and syria.

How does it work?
You don't want to go overseas, you get an honorable discharge? --"

Haha. So you're saying that by allowing gays in the military we're sticking it to islamic radicals? And you're against this, why again?

It's nice to see some sanity returning to the armed forces. Maybe a hot beef injection will help get all the fundies out of the military at last.

[Neo]

Last I knew, Don't Ask Don't Tell, was law.

It will take more than Obama to change this.

[EriKTheRed]

"They'll have a ball running down the entire military culture with that one."

Ummm... did you have to phrase it that way?

[IslamoLlama]

"--
Last I knew, Don't Ask Don't Tell, was law.

It will take more than Obama to change this.
--"

Oh, you mean like a this:
The Military Readiness Enhancement Act (H.R. 1246) is a bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives on February 28, 2007. Sponsored by Representative Marty Meehan (D-MA) with 142 cosponsors.[18] On March 28, 2007 the House Committee on Armed Services sent the bill to the Subcommittee on Military Personnel.

Yeah, they've been kicking around a repeal for years. I don't think it will be hard to pass.

And DOMA could be quick to follow.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-barr5-2009jan05,0,1855836.story

"--
In effect, DOMA's language reflects one-way federalism: It protects only those states that don't want to accept a same-sex marriage granted by another state. Moreover, the heterosexual definition of marriage for purposes of federal laws -- including, immigration, Social Security survivor rights and veteran's benefits -- has become a de facto club used to limit, if not thwart, the ability of a state to choose to recognize same-sex unions.
--"
~ Bob Barr, author of DOMA

:-p

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"It will take more than Obama to change this."

Waddaya mean? We're at war. Barack Hussein Obama will be Commander in Chief of the Military. You all spent the last 8 years telling us that the President can do whatever he wants in a time of war. Why do you hate America and her troops?

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Oh no, it looks like DiFi is no longer sticking up for the Bushies.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/01/feinstein_says_she_supports_panetta_for_cia.php

Looks like she recognized with whom she'd otherwise be casting her lot, recoiled from the stench, and ceased her hissy fit.

[Fred Beloit]

Speaking of assault, political correctness, and human rights, the savages were exercising their Canadian rights too, but one of them ignored a reporter's rights to not get punched:
"In Toronto, a Hamas supporter smacks a citizen journalist who asks, 'Why do you say Hitler didn’t do a good job?'"
Scroll down http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/

[mark l.]

"So you're saying that by allowing gays in the military we're sticking it to islamic radicals?"

not really...

it is more of a case of 'when in rome'-the us military usually tries to please its host.

a modest scenario?

we put troops in saudi arabia. the saudi govt accepts the troops, but requests that no homosexuals be permitted in their country. What's the plan?

'Don't ask, don't tell', (which really should be 'don't know, don't care') has its own set of rules, beyond simply saying-'ok'. Once the policy is lifted, what other changes do you need to make?

suddenly it is ok to ask if a serviceman is gay? the problems that would arise are significant.

gives a whole new meaning for a sgt playing with his privates.

[jharp]

Me thinks the right wingers are afraid of being around gayness because of fear they might be tempted to try a little pole smokage.

I've got no problem with gays. As neighbors, friends, co workers, or whatever. I am very secure in my sexual preferences and don't feel threatened or tempted in the least.

[Anon]

This is another basically worthless, pointless SYMBOLIC piece of PC propaganda that will do more harm than good.

I somehow doubt that closeted gays in the military are going to come out by the thousands if the policy is changed, because if they do, no law on earth is going to stop the prejudice that they will endure and that may be sad and wrong but it is also life as we know it.

I also very much doubt that there is more than a tiny handful of gays in the military to begin with or that with a new open policy that gays will be beating down recruitment offices to join up.

Some lines of work just have a macho culture, like football and the military. It is what it is. It will take a long, long time to change the mindset. The military did a great job with blacks, but has done a pretty terrible job with women. My guess is they will do an even worse job with gays. Don't ask don't tell seems to be doing fine as it is, why rock the boat?

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"others will say this type of social engineering is best left out of the military."

And those will be people who have NO idea how the military works. The kind of people who make statements like "coomon sense returning to the military". Frankly stupid really as "common sense and military" like "safe and nuclear" should never be used in the same sentence. It is a labratory for social engineering and hit it's zenith during the Clingon period and continued into the present admin with Clingon appointed social engineers.....Oh and the big secret, There are lots o' gays in the barracks so they just as well be allowed to be open. A guy should have the right to know who he is showering with.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I somehow doubt that closeted gays in the military are going to come out by the thousands if the policy is changed, because if they do, no law on earth is going to stop the prejudice that they will endure and that may be sad and wrong but it is also life as we know it. --"

I very much think you are wrong. There's a difference between facing discrimination and facing your own guaranteed systematic employment termination. There are a fair number of military men and women who are "out" among their fellows, but can't officially be public because it would cost them their jobs. A "gay military blogger" for instance, would be instantly booted under the current rules.

It is a little curious to note that you'd think men and women who lived and died by each other would suddenly pull out the long knives and go for each other's backsides the moment it was revealed one or the other was gay. Is that the way the US Military rolls? I wonder how many brave little conservatives would more than happily turn their squad mates over to a roving band of Iraqi insurgents on the suspicion that their foxhole buddies might not be straight enough (or Christian enough).

It'll be nice to watch the bigots and cowards flushed out of their foxholes when this hits.

[Anon]

Like I said, the military has done a terrible job of integrating women, who face sexual harassment and sexual assault and pretty high rates given the type of people and morals that are supposed to be the norm among soldiers. That isn't a very good barometer of how it would be for gays who came out.

I have no reason to believe that gays, a group that deals with a lot more serious prejudice than women, would fair any better in such a macho culture, I think they would fair much, much worse.

Sometimes it really is better to let sleeping dogs lie, even if it doesn't satisfy one's desire for "JUSTICE" or "TOTAL COMPLETE EQUALITY FOR EVERYONE ALL THE TIME EVERYWHERE".

If someone can direct me to any actual gays in the military who have arguments for why this move is a good idea I am open to listen, but I think this is one of those issues that 'should be' can't be confused with 'is'. and I don't think the military is ready for gays to be out.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Anon; You're likely right but then, the kids enlisting today have been bombarded by PC messages most of their young lives. And boy is it thrown at them from the induction center until ETS out processing. It isn't near teh macho world you may remember......Recruits actually get a card to wave in the DI's face if he hurts their feelings now. You make a good point about sexual harrasment in spite of annual POSH training which is where your premise is very likely spot on. It appears we'll find out.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"I wonder how many brave little conservatives would more than happily turn their squad mates over to a roving band of Iraqi insurgents on the suspicion that their foxhole buddies might not be straight enough (or Christian enough)."

Christian enough????? Wow, you've really learned a lot about the military watching the LOGO channel, huh? "Christians" at least real Bible thumpers, are quite a minority among the troops.

[MarkJ]

New take on an old joke:

The commander of an infantry battalion calls a formation and announces to his gathered troops, "I've got some good news and bad news for any of you 'don't ask, don't tell' types in this unit. The good news is that President Obama has signed an executive order legalizing gays in the military, so you can come out of the closet. The bad news is that, when we go to war again, I'm gonna make goddamn sure you'll all be in the first wave going in."

[SacTownMan]

"A guy should have the right to know who he is showering with."

A basic civil right to be sure!

Not a problem for your average troll though, they don't take to showers or toothbrushes too well!

Hey Willie that sounds great but what about the "Don't Drop the Soap!" signs they are going to have to put up now!

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Sac; I once actually heard a lesbian say that gay people only find other gays attractive so you dont have to worry about showering with them.........I didn't ask if we could shower together....too busy laughing at the stupidity of the statement.

[Dan Riehl]

"Me thinks the right wingers are afraid of being around gayness"

Were that true, I would have banned you a long time ago, j. ; ))

[Scrapiron]

New uniform fashioned after old style long john's. A trap door in the back.

Actually they can paint a target on the back of the uniform, friendly fire incidents will skyrocket.

[RH]

It is clear that many who voice their opinion here on this topic have never served in this nation's armed forces and have formed their views based on the "hollywood" stereotype. Once in a combat arena, there are no Christians vs Atheists or Straights vs Gays, there is only your fellow soldier, each doing their job the best they can so that everyone goes home, and it is for each other that you fight and sometimes die. That patriotic BS about Flag and Country is simply that when the rounds are going up and downrange and the arty is popping over your head. Now having said that, the downtime leaves plenty of opportunity for this whole issue to become real injurious to combat efficiency. It is simply not going to be easy to meld together such diverse and dipolar social extremes as straights and gays. Those distinct personal traits literally define who a person is and I sense one would be more able to join oil to water than bridge that sociological divide. And for what good purpose? Simply because you can? The old adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" comes to mind.

[Todd]

The views of this blog and many of the posters here on gays in the military are well out of step with the rest of the country, and indeed many of its top retired brass including Colin Powell. 75% of Americans, and 64% of Republicans polled were in favor of gays in the military, according to the Washington Post this past summer.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2008/07/18/ST2008071802580.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPXjLnat_5w&eurl=http://www.palmcenter.org/

http://www.palmcenter.org/press/dadt/releases/104Generals%2526Admirals-GayBanMustEnd

The experiences of gays in foreign military services has proven that any fears were unfounded. 24 nations, including most NATO members have lifted their bans without adverse effects. American soldiers have gotten along perfectly well with gay British and Australian soldiers serving in Iraq. This was all released in a study by University of California, Santa Barbara in 2004.

As for those blog contributors who believe American soldiers aren't professional enough to serve with gay personnel without freaking out and unit morale going all to hell, consider the experience of openly gay Lieutenant Rolf Kurth of the Royal Navy, who served in Operation Iraqi Freedom along with numerous U.S. sailors on board ships deployed in the Persian Gulf: Kurth reported that he was open about his sexual orientation, which is sanctioned in the British military, and that he was "the direct link" on day-to-day work matters between a team of American sailors and British sailors on board a RN ship. Kurth reports in the study that unit cohesion was solid and unaffected, and he was completely accepted by the Americans he served with.

The report states: Kurth spoke in positive terms about his interaction with the US officers in the team: “The working relationship with them was great, and I got along very well with them,” he said. When asked if these officers reacted towards him differently from his British colleagues, he responded, “No, they didn’t behave any differently than British colleagues. They were very friendly.

http://www.ukgaynews.org.uk/20040210001.htm

[Evan]

News flash: there are already gay people in the military. The problem is that perfectly capable soldiers can be kicked out for being gay. And a ridiculously high number of those discharged since 9/11 have been Arabic linguists. Tell me why this is a good thing, and why it would be a bad thing to allow a gay person to remain in the military after their superiors find out about their sexuality.

[WBestPresidentEver]

Me thinks the right wingers are afraid of being around gayness because of fear they might be tempted to try a little pole smokage.

I've got no problem with gays. As neighbors, friends, co workers, or whatever. I am very secure in my sexual preferences and don't feel threatened or tempted in the least.

Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, January 07, 2009 at 04:14 PM

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We all know better here. You are as gay as a $3.00 bill. ADMIT IT.

[templar knight]

W, I don't know about the one I shall never mention, but Todd and Totally are gay, no doubt.

Back to the subject, my youngest son is in the infantry, and they prefer not to have any gays anywhere near them. As the system seems to be working well, it should be left alone. As for these other armies that allow open gayness, they just aren't very good, even the British. The rest of the European armies are ineffective, and one of the causes is the PC bullshit forced upon them by the politicians.

[Fred Beloit]

In a recent conversation, I was told that the Marines, I was a soldier and I suppose the same may be true in the Army, now have two to a room for basic training. The old large bays holding about two squads are gone. Therefore, IMO, it is more important than ever to poll American mothers and fathers to ask this question: "Some politicians want to mix gays and straights openly in the military. Some say this is really the same as mixing men and women together. Do you agree with matching military roommates two-to-a-room randomly without regard to sexual preference or gender?"
YES---NO---NO OPINION

[RH]

Todd,
All the supposed data and factual info you pointed to is simply agenda driven drivel. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together no longer believe ANYTHING written by the MSM or those slanted views of special interest groups. Except perhaps for you, that is. And for the "High Ranking Officers" that are supporting such drivel, they are just like Wesley Clark, they have political positions to protect and will do so to the detriment of the troops they are supposed to care for. Want to know the real scoop, go on "liberty" with servicemen and after they've had their tongues loosened by a few drinks, THEN broach the subject of gays in the military.Then you will get an idea of how they REALLY feel about the subject.

[supernintendo chalmers]

"Actually they can paint a target on the back of the uniform, friendly fire incidents will skyrocket."

way to "support the troops"

what a complete asshole hypocrite

[Anon]

Well, I think its extremely unlikely that gays are going to start praying on straight men/women if they can be 'out' in the military, but facts are facts, the military is a macho culture where being gay is not looked upon as a positive. While I don't agree with firing people because they are gay I also don't see any substantial benefit to changing don't ask/don't tell and I see a lot of serious downside. People are not realistic to think that in the blink of an eye a group of young, generally under educated, trained to be macho and aggressive people are going to embrace gay culture in the military, so I don't see what the real purpose of this change would be other than for liberals and gay advocates to feel good about themselves. I doubt most gays in the military would come out even if they could because they know what I know, that the culture in which they work is not accepting of them, same reason nobody in the NFL comes out until years after they retire, it is what it is.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Actually they can paint a target on the back of the uniform, friendly fire incidents will skyrocket. --"

That's kinda the sentiment around here. If the local board GOoPers didn't think the military really, really supported the Republican Party, they'd be more than happy to see every last Democrat-voting serviceman with a bullet through the back of the head.

That's your patriotism for you.

[Philip McDaniel]

In 4th century BC Greece there was a military formation of hoplites [heavy infantry] in Thebes known as the Sacred Band. It consisted of 150 pairs of male lovers. At first they went into combat dispersed among the other Theban hoplites in the first rank. Later they were used as an integral unit. Twice they defeated the Spartans in combat and were recognized among the Greeks as being formidable soldiers. The reasoning was that pairs of lovers would not break and run because of their bonds of love. This was a bit unusual, even for that culture, however.

Men in high stress combat situations often forge strong bonds – witness the ‘Band of Brothers’ for example, especially during and after the ‘Battle of the Bulge’. But I would doubt that there is anything sexual in those bonds. I also wonder how those bonds might be affected if homosexual proclivities are open and demonstrated in our platoons.

[templar knight]

I think we should give the gays a chance. If enough gays can be found, let the US have a gay combat division ready to fight on a moments notice. Call them the 100th Queerborn, dress them in pink/purple uniforms, and send them to the ME with orders to redecorate the mosques and madrassas. Charge the mad mullahs exorbirant prices so we can get some of our oil money back, and open bathhouses to entertain the more "refined" of Islam. I tell you, this is a win-win solution.

[Philip McDaniel]

LOL!

[Evan]

Sorry, weren't a lot of you all over the thread last week about how offensive it was for Kathy Griffin to make an (allegedly) anti-gay comment? Just asking, since I have read that gay people are all interior decorators and seen the term "fudge packer" used a couple times.

Or is it only ok for conservatives to be homophobes?

[templar knight]

I wasn't so concerned with Kathy's remark as I was her hypocrisy, and the hypocrisy of the Left, where it's ok for people like Kathy to say what she will about homos but not for anyone on the Right.

You see, Evan, it's the HYPOCRISY!

[Todd]

"Todd,
All the supposed data and factual info you pointed to is simply agenda driven drivel. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together no longer believe ANYTHING written by the MSM or those slanted views of special interest groups. Except perhaps for you, that is. And for the "High Ranking Officers" that are supporting such drivel, they are just like Wesley Clark, they have political positions to protect and will do so to the detriment of the troops they are supposed to care for. "
Posted by: RH | Thursday, January 08, 2009 at 12:10 PM
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RH, are you saying that Colin Powell all of a sudden has a gay agenda? That was the Youtube video I posted. I'd like to know what are General Powell's political positions he is trying to protect, to the detriment of the troops. Tell me, please, and be specific.

[Todd]

"W, I don't know about the one I shall never mention, but Todd and Totally are gay, no doubt.

Back to the subject, my youngest son is in the infantry, and they prefer not to have any gays anywhere near them. As the system seems to be working well, it should be left alone. As for these other armies that allow open gayness, they just aren't very good, even the British. The rest of the European armies are ineffective, and one of the causes is the PC bullshit forced upon them by the politicians.

Posted by: templar knight | Thursday, January 08, 2009 at 10:29 AM"
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Sounds like the apple didn't fall very far from the tree. Is the Israeli army one of those ineffective armies, TK? Israel is one of the 24 countries that allow gays in their military.

[templar knight]

Now that you mention it, Todd, it has become much less effective in recent years. I wondered why. Perhaps I now have the answer.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"If the local board GOoPers didn't think the military really, really supported the Republican Party, they'd be more than happy to see every last Democrat-voting serviceman with a bullet through the back of the head."

LOL....this, of course, coming from the people who vandalize and stand out in front of recruiting stations calling our soldiers murderers and baby-killers, as well as "uninvited and unwelcome intruders".

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2008/02/371741.shtml

With the full support and endorsement of Barack Obama, of course.

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/06/12/jodie-davis-code-pink-founder-obama-bundler-osama-apologist/

"I'd like to know what are General Powell's political positions he is trying to protect, to the detriment of the troops. Tell me, please, and be specific."

His appointment and cushy job with the leftist Obama administration.