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"My sense is that people aren't really in the mood to be approving of any politician these days."

Your sense is wrong.

"Nearly eight in 10 Americans polled in the CNN-Opinion Research Corp. survey released Tuesday indicated they thought the president-elect was doing well during the transition, CNN said. The 79 percent approval rating is 14 points higher than the approval rating for Bush before he took office in 2001 and 17 points higher than Clinton's rating in 1992 during his transition"

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/12/09/Poll_Obama_approval_rating_79_percent/UPI-40031228843993/

Oh but for the glory days of Reagen. The S&L crisis. The endless numbing drug war. The rising unemployment. The lying to Congress and funding of extremist militias in the Middle East and Central America. The race-baiting. The gay bashing. The deficit spending. The tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes for the poor. Good times.

You guys love pissing on Carter's legacy, as though 4 years of a southern conservative Democrat somehow wrecked the perfect country created by 20 years of Nixon-Ford-Reagen-Bush. It's pathetic and sad to watch you try and beat up on a man whose post-Presidential legacy has become the de facto model for retiring heads of state.

If you guys had a President like Carter, maybe you'd actually be able to get folks to vote for you.

Um, we're still fighting the war on drugs and I don't remember anything from Obama that indicated he plans to change that.

He is also saying quite openly that we should expect YEARS of trillion dollar deficit spending.

I also don't hear Obama saying much of anything about Israel's wholesale slaughter in Gaza, nor do I expect him to do more than mouth the same platitudes as every other US president has done.

I may be wrong againg but methinks Obama believes marriage is between a man and a woman, which in most progressive circles counts as gay bashing.

I guess things haven't changed that much since Reagan afterall.

"Just as a cat has to cough up a hairball every now and then to clear it's throat, there's an argument to be made for the electorate needing to embrace sheer incompetence under the guise of "change."

Now where have I heard that before?"

When W was running for president in 2000? Speaking of moving away from incompetence:

"This crisis did not happen solely by some accident of history or normal turn of the business cycle, and we won't get out of it by simply waiting for a better day to come, or relying on the worn-out dogmas of the past. We arrived at this point due to an era of profound irresponsibility that stretched from corporate boardrooms to the halls of power in Washington, DC. For years, too many Wall Street executives made imprudent and dangerous decisions, seeking profits with too little regard for risk, too little regulatory scrutiny, and too little accountability. Banks made loans without concern for whether borrowers could repay them, and some borrowers took advantage of cheap credit to take on debt they couldn't afford. Politicians spent taxpayer money without wisdom or discipline, and too often focused on scoring political points instead of the problems they were sent here to solve. The result has been a devastating loss of trust and confidence in our economy, our financial markets, and our government."

Any doubts that Barack really really really doesn't give a fuck about what people like Dan Riehl think?

"I also don't hear Obama saying much of anything about Israel's wholesale slaughter in Gaza, nor do I expect him to do more than mouth the same platitudes as every other US president has done."

He's not the president yet; maybe that's why. You're right though. He might not say anything about Israel's crimes in Gaza because it is impossible in this country to do so without being labeled an anti-semite. Then again he's smart and not an idealogue, so we'll see.

"I may be wrong againg but methinks Obama believes marriage is between a man and a woman, which in most progressive circles counts as gay bashing."

He appears to believe this. It doesn't count as gay bashing in "most progressive circles," however - contrary to teachings.

That is a lovely speech, but, again, what does it mean?

The only answer Barry has is to pour ONE TRILLION more dollars into the system that he very eloquently explains is broken on all cylanders. Wall Street & DC are still corrupt, politicians are interested in pork not solutions. From a logical perspective, it doesn't make much sense to say basically that society is broken but the way to fix it is not to fix its institutions but simply overwhelm its broken carcass with money.

Dan, you voted for Carter? Ouch!!

Must have been that weird bearded guy you posted a while back!

I thought he looked like one of those weird hippy fellas!

He appears to believe this. It doesn't count as gay bashing in "most progressive circles," however - contrary to teachings.
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Sure it does, or else progressives wouldn't call anyone who doesn't support 'gay marriage' a homophobe, religious nut, right winger.

"The only answer Barry has is to pour ONE TRILLION more dollars into the system that he very eloquently explains is broken on all cylanders."

And most economists agree. But I'm sure you're smarter and know more about economics that Nobel Prize winning economist Paul Krugman.

And Obama is going to fix our health care system. And huge drain on out economy.

And what is your solution?

Unbelievable to me how folks are whining about Obama's solutions to the unprecedented republican created economic disaster.

Before he is even President.

I miss the gas lines, the odd and even plate days, we were at the gas station for so long that we made friends with the other people in the line. Then there was the mortgage interest rates starting at 15 percent and going up to 21 percent. And the double-digit inflation - that was fun.

"Dan, you voted for Carter? Ouch!!"

Yeah, well - fresh out of high school and a tad idealistic. Not to mention growing up in a working class home with JFK plates all over the walls. I still remember my Ma waking me up crying when RFK was shot.

I voted for Reagan in 2000 and haven't looked back. Runs in with Liberal academics through college actually cemented my conservative politics.

As an aside, I also remember riding in the car with my Dad and an uncle when news broke that Malcom X was killed.

I won't relay that conversation. Heh!

Most economists failed to predict that Wall Street profits were monopoly money and that securitized mortgages were going to go 'boom'...and that includes Krugman and just about everyone else...so your point is kind of well, pointless. Economists want to spend money because they believe that is what ended the Great Depression.

I have been saying for years that running an economy on consumer credit card debt was a disaster waiting to happen, that Wall Street no longer functioned as it was supposed to and that a country that celebrates sending jobs overseas is doomed to fail. And lo and behold I was right. Of course no one listened to me, I was consistently directed to see how high the Dow was and the historically high stock market returns, and told how old fashioned I was to think that a manufacturing base was essential for the country's security, I was too dumb to understand the beauty of free trade.

We need to fix the financial system and we need to fix the problem of government spending, e.g. make some serious cuts on duplicative programs and programs that after 20 or 40 or 50 years have not produced any success. If we don't do those two things to the degree necessary then we are only resetting the clock and starting off the countdown until the next big bust.

The absolute worst thing we could do is throw money at the problem w/out any controls or strategy and hope for the best, all that will do is waste scarce resources....exactly what we did with the bank bailout, we gave them a trillion in a frenzy of fear and got no results so far.

I've always said the worst thing about Bush was that he was the blueprint for every later president who wanted to seize power and demonize his opponents, instead of "IslamoFascists" that hate us for our freedom Obama is using "Great Depression" as his boogeyman. Same/same.

Boy are the resident trolls a little sensitive when the worst president we've seen in the modern era is questioned.

Jimmy Carter is hands down the worst president in my lifetime!

And to say that his post presidency is some model for other leaders to follow is laughable! Does this include his sucking up to and meddling in world affairs when he met with the terrorist leader of Hamas in Syria?

Moonbat logic 101 --- Terrorist Hamas good --- jews evil!!

"Most economists failed to predict that Wall Street profits were monopoly money and that securitized mortgages were going to go 'boom'...and that includes Krugman"

You got a link? I'm not an economist and it was quite plain for even me to see.

"We need to fix the financial system and we need to fix the problem of government spending"

So you are saying we should nix the stimulus package, go into a severe depression, and tough it out?

My solution is jobs. I've always believe in the economic model that income equals output. And our out sucks. So I agree with you that building our manufacturing base in critical. And a huge problem in American business is providing workers health care benefits. Our health care system that costs $3,000 to $4,000, or even $5,000 more than our competitors puts us at a significant disadvantage.

"told how old fashioned I was to think that a manufacturing base was essential for the country's security"

So on your above comment I 100% agree. Our manufacturing base is essential. Kind of ironic that the wingers favor letting the auto makers fail, huh? Don't see how that does much to build our manufacturing base.

A wholly incompetant,mismanaged manufacturing sector isn't much better than no manufacturing sector, so I can't agree on the auto bailout, all it does is forestall the inevitable...thousands of jobs will be lost and probably GM/Chrysler will disappear w/in five years. There is no reason why, though, we can't make clothes, shoes, computers, or anything else...except that consumers were brainwashed that CHEAP=GOOD and 'Buy American' became something that only old fashioned, stodgy fools advocated.

Health care is not noticeably harming our ability to compete, we are the richest country in the world and allegedly the engine that drives the global economy, so it does not compute that health care costs are significantly hurting our competitive edge, so give up on this point, there isn't any data to back it up and you repeatedly fail to explain what is going to happen to the thousands of jobs in health care that would be lost in your quest for single payer status while at the same time lamenting the jobs that would be lost in the auto sector...total inconsistency. I am willing to see job loss anywhere it needs to come to improve efficiency and I am willing to see tax credits used to bring manufacturing back to the U.S...to replace parasitic jobs with jobs that contribute.

The stimulus package is a hodge podge of crap being thrown at the wall, there is no strategy. A strategy, well crafted stimulus package that focused on LONG TERM issues..like high speed rail, real efficiencies that could improve trade, investment in new industries I am all for..'make work' bullshit highway construction and light bulb installation jobs are just that,make work bullshit that will give a quick couple year lift to the job data but do absolutely nothing to get the country back on track.

That kind of stimulous package falls into the same category as Reagan's defense buildup, trickle down economics, the dot.com boom and the housing boom: ILLUSORY.

Barry Obama...staus quo we can believe in!

Here's one that will make the troll's heads explode...

http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/ggraham/2009/01/06/one-pissed-off-dude-5

"Health care is not noticeably harming our ability to compete, we are the richest country in the world and allegedly the engine that drives the global economy, so it does not compute that health care costs are significantly hurting our competitive edge, so give up on this point, there isn't any data to back it up and you repeatedly fail to explain"

The facts are that we spend 2 to 3 times what the rest of the industialized world spends on health care. And most of it is borne by business so to say it has no effect is ludicrous. As a matter of fact it is significant part of the auto industries problems.

"what is going to happen to the thousands of jobs in health care that would be lost in your quest for single payer"

They will go the same way as the buggy whip makers. Gone. No longer needed. "

"status while at the same time lamenting the jobs that would be lost in the auto sector...total inconsistency."

Point well taken. It surely reeks of inconsistency. But it seems to me our auto makers can compete and are a necessary part of our economy if for no other reason that we have a huge infrastructure built around them for which there is no guarantee that anyone will pick up the pieces. And I might add I am not 100% sold on the auto bailout. It just seems a necessary evil to me.

"There is no reason why, though, we can't make clothes, shoes, computers, or anything else"

Yes there is. We can't compete with the Chinese. I have traded with Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand, Macau, for twenty five years. It is no contest.

"Sure it does, or else progressives wouldn't call anyone who doesn't support 'gay marriage' a homophobe, religious nut, right winger."

They don't. Again, contrary to popular lectures by Sir Rush and Lady Coulter. "Progressives" tend to frown upon legislative action taken to prevent them from getting married, especially when said action is comprised of efforts by a loony religious group that solicited money for that purpose. "Progressives" tend to call people "homophobes, religious nuts, and right wingers" when they actively seek to prevent gays from enjoying the same rights as everyone else - based solely on the fact that the Bible supposedly says so.

And you know the difference between these folks and Barack Obama.

I don't listen to Rush and I hate Ann Coulter, so your little stereotype rings false. Anyone who doesn't support gay marriage is considered by progressives as a de facto homophobe, except I guess Obama who gets a pass.

Your description of gay marriage is instructive, but of course, mostly false and misleading...since almost every benefit to marriage can be obtained another way and it would surely be obtained through a civil union that isn't considered the same as marriage, which goes to show that gay marriage is nothing more than a symbolic issues with no real rights being abused or benefits being denied.

Overwhelmingly the country does not support gay marriage, so you need to back to the drawing board and reframe the issue another way or be happy with civil unions, instead of brow beating the majority into accepting something they don't support because it has been deemed politically correct. And please, not not equate the civil rights struggle with the gay marriage issue because they are not even close. It is already ILLEGAL to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation so that battle has been won long ago.

The gay community simply doesn't know when to quit.

"I have traded with Japan, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Thailand, Macau, for twenty five years."

child sex slaves?

"The gay community simply doesn't know when to quit."

Oh yes they do. When they have won. Which they will eventually will.

"child sex slaves?"

No. Consumer goods.

--Your description of gay marriage is instructive, but of course, mostly false and misleading...since almost every benefit to marriage can be obtained another way and it would surely be obtained through a civil union that isn't considered the same as marriage, which goes to show that gay marriage is nothing more than a symbolic issues with no real rights being abused or benefits being denied.

You are right, Anon...to the gay community, it is not about the marriage, it is about the wedding...purely symbolic. And some of them are militant about demanding their right to have a ceremony. It is just another example of their overwhelming need to force 98% of us to accept the 2% outliers as "normal."

--The gay community simply doesn't know when to quit.

right again...give them an inch and they want 7 inches..hehe.

"Will Obama be Carter II?"

absolutely.

essential viewing for evaluating carter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Value_of_US_dollar.gif

for those who want to see what happens when we try and spend our way out of recession, pay close attention to that dip in the dollar 76-80. The sudden dropoff under nixon was a product of moving away from the gold standard, it stabilizes under ford, only to crash under Carter.

i have no doubt that the recession will be over in the next two years(actually by the end of the year) no matter how great or small govt spending...

any massive increase in govt spending would still take six months at min, to take effect.

The problem that is lurking, if we go nuts over spending, is that we hit heavy inflation as soon as we pop out of our recession. The depth and severity of the inflation that will occur will make carter's four years look like the clinton economy.

Win what? The right to throw their sexuality in the face of the rest of the country in the most ostentatious and public way possible? Because that is what gay marriage is about, it is not about "rights" other than the "right" to do whatever you want, offend whomever you want and all the while retain the mantle of victim. For every action there is a reaction, be careful what you wish for.

"Win what?"

The right to marry whomever they choose. Just as heterosexuals can.

And I truly don't understand why anyone gives a rats ass who someone chooses to marry. Tell me Anon, how does this affect you in the slightest.

"-- essential viewing for evaluating carter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Value_of_US_dollar.gif

for those who want to see what happens when we try and spend our way out of recession, pay close attention to that dip in the dollar 76-80. The sudden dropoff under nixon was a product of moving away from the gold standard, it stabilizes under ford, only to crash under Carter. --"

So Carter was elected in '76. And gold lost 70% of its value between '71 and '74. Ergo, I blame Carter.

Genius!

A little required reading for the Reag-o-philes. Ford was getting clubbed over the head by inflation and high gas prices years before Carter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whip_Inflation_Now

For some strange reason, no conservative ever calls out Nixon or Ford for the crappy handling of the economy, though. Hmmm...

"i have no doubt that the recession will be over in the next two years"

So our polling expert is now an economic expert.

And just as one would expect his opinion is contrary to all of the actual data.

But he has "no doubt". This from the guy who predicted McCain in a landslide. You are a joke.

"For some strange reason, no conservative ever calls out Nixon or Ford for the crappy handling of the economy, though."

The reason isn't really strange at all. It is their way.

1) Blame Democrats for everything
3) Turn on Fox, ElRushbo, Hannity for talking points

I don't care about gays getting married, I have no problem personally with gay marriage but a majority of Americans do.

A reading of recent history shows VERY CLEARLY that when the population is overwhelmingly for or against X or very evenly divided over X and a solution is forced on them in a very short time frame, e.g. yesterday X was legal/illegal, today X is legal/illegal the results have been overwhelmingly negative and filled with unintended consequences.

So, to me, history is saying that 'gay marriage' being approached from a legal standpoint as in -- we can't win in a referendum so let's take it to the Supreme Court -- is a misguided strategy.

If what gays really wanted was only the 'benefits' of marriage in terms of taxes, pensions etc. then that is what they would be lobbying for..legal equity...I fully support that.

However, that isn't what they are lobbying for in reality, in reality what they desire to do is to overturn 10,000 years of human history wherein 'marriage' was the union between a man and a woman and this held true even in societies where homosexuality was widely practiced and openly tolerated. This is bad strategy and will only lead to more problems.

"A reading of recent history shows VERY CLEARLY that when the population is overwhelmingly for or against X or very evenly divided over X and a solution is forced on them in a very short time frame the results have been overwhelmingly negative and filled with unintended consequences.

So, to me, history is saying that 'gay marriage' being approached from a legal standpoint as in -- we can't win in a referendum so let's take it to the Supreme Court -- is a misguided strategy."

Yeah, right. Just like Loving vs. Virginia when the Supreme Court allowed black people the right to marry white people. Those damn activist judges again overturning the will of the majority.

And what horrible unintended consequences came out of that.

How about Brown vs. Board of Education? Actual result: white flight, decimation of inner city economies, increased residential segregation and percentage of blacks today attending majority black schools is about the same as it was pre-desegregation. Not much of an accomplishment.

How about Roe vs. Wade? Actual result: 2/3 of states have enacted such onerous restrictions on abortion that only a adult with a few hundred dollars to spare and access to good transportation can get one with the added bonus of having overtaken and totally polarized national politics. Not much of an accomplishment.

When everything is viewed as a total abstraction in terms of "rights" and no real world prism is applied in terms of context a lot of things usually go wrong.

Why not lobby for women to be admitted to the NFL and NBA? On its face, it is pure gender discrimination...only because the country has not yet gotten that crazy, but there is no supportable legal theory as to why the NFL having no women isn't discrimination since we know that 'separate but equal' is not valid, except when we still want it to be.

Wasn't there a case several years ago where a girl litigated to join the Boy Scouts? What purpose did that serve?

Arent' fraternities and sororities gender discriminators? Of course they are, but again, we haven't gotten that crazy yet.

Anon, why do you waste your time? The unmentionable one has posted the white/black marriage crap dozens of times here over the past few months. It's the same with his single-payer(government) health care system that he says is not socialist, even when it clearly is. He's posted the same tripe a hundred times. Dust off your shoes, and move on. Please. Don't engage the guy.

"How about Roe vs. Wade?"

Yeah. How about it. It's worked beautifully. Abortion is legal in all fifty states. What exactly is your claim? Without Roe V Wade there would be less restrictions on abortions?

"Why not lobby for women to be admitted to the NFL and NBA?"

I wasn't aware that as a matter of the law that women are banned from the NBA and NFL. If there are please sign me up. I believe they should be allowed to compete.

Okay, that's it, you are truly an idiot. Only an idiot would want to see women on the field in the NFL. It isn't a matter of 'law' per se, but surely one with such a finely tuned victim meter as yourself would see that when 100% of players and rookies and probably 98% of coaches are men, that its OMG DISCRIMINATION!!!!!!!!!

It would be exactly in keeping with your brand of 'justice' to wholly ruin football or basketball or hockey or any major sport by demanding that women be given their fair share of spots on the roster.

"Okay, that's it, you are truly an idiot. Only an idiot would want to see women on the field in the NFL."

nancy pelosi getting blindsided by ray lewis.

I bet you could hear the bones break in the parking lot. Someone might mistakenly run her head back for a fumble recovery/TD.

I hate to say I told you so, Anon, but...

Oh, it's the marriage/health care thread again!

Well, Anon, I hate to tell you I told you so, but.....

"-- Arent' fraternities and sororities gender discriminators? Of course they are, but again, we haven't gotten that crazy yet. --"

Wow, yeah, they had that fight about 40 years ago, bro. I knew a few fraternities at UT with a girl or two in them and one sorority with a couple gay guys. Legally they can't be kept out, but since going greek is more about who you know anyway people don't usually bother to buck the system.

"-- Only an idiot would want to see women on the field in the NFL. --"

Agreed. After all, boobies and periods and cookies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_Hnida

Imagine if she went pro. The horror! The horror!

"For some strange reason, no conservative ever calls out Nixon or Ford for the crappy handling of the economy, though."

forget numbers, most americans won't even care. I'm not a fan of going away from the gold standard, but then I couldn't imagine it providing for such expansive growth.

The uniqueness of Jimmy Carter is that when inflation ran 40% is that EVERY american was effected. roughly 4% of the workforce now faces the full weight of unemployment. nixon's and ford's sins were just par for the office.

In most cases, people hear about debt, but don't get it. Create a period of very high inflation and the result is almost pavlovian in response to debt. Obama has admitted that he would like to expand our debt at a massive level. Three years from now, if he is successful in getting his spending past the house, he will incur a period of inflation that will make Carter look great, in comparison.

Katie was sexually harrassed and sexually assaulted while on the CU football team. So, I would say, that experiment failed and should be a lesson that not every "right" to "equality" should be equally exercised.

Harpo still here??? Must not have a life...heh?
Obama afirmative action poster boy . Has never seen a budget because Omorosa is really in charge. Now he tell us we have to spend what we don't have to get out of debt. We are basically bankrupt while the chinese are swimming in money. They no longer want our debt. But barry has to pay up to that 40% of taxless people that came to vote for a check...while he screws the rest of us.

Funny to see Harpo defending gays when the blacks and hispanics which elected BO defeated all the gays amendments. Once again rats screwing all the minorities.....

Hey Anon,

"Only an idiot would want to see women on the field in the NFL."

Where did you ever come up "would want to see women on the field".

Count me in the group that wants to see the best players on the field. Don't really give a damn about ones gender, sexual orientation, race, or anything else.

It seems somehow in your weak, twisted, right wing thinking that you somehow thought of this as an affirmative action issue.

Let them try out. I am in favor of everyone getting an equal chance. It's the American way.

Why do you hate America?

And you call me an idiot. Good grief!

Poor, sad little jharp...always picked last on the playground.

"Count me in the group that wants to see the best players on the field."

that's funny, coming from a guy whose party is featuring the 'skills' of pelosi and reid. glad to see the dems being led by their best and brightest.

"that's funny, coming from a guy whose party is featuring the 'skills' of pelosi and reid. glad to see the dems being led by their best and brightest."

Even funnier is you having the gall to even show up here again after predicting "McCain will win in a landslide".

Good call Mr. "no doubt that the recession will be over in the next two years".


Dan, how on earth does someone who voted for Bush and the ticket containing Sarah Palin get off calling Obama "Arrogant"?

"-- In most cases, people hear about debt, but don't get it. Create a period of very high inflation and the result is almost pavlovian in response to debt. Obama has admitted that he would like to expand our debt at a massive level. Three years from now, if he is successful in getting his spending past the house, he will incur a period of inflation that will make Carter look great, in comparison. --"

Until the CDO bubble burst, we had about $45 trillion in funny money floating around the financial sector in the form mortgage-backed securities and their derivatives all based on debt the loaners couldn't actually pay back.

Now that the bubble has collapsed, we are heading rapidly into a period of massive deflation. Deflation is worse than inflation. Ergo, risking inflation in the long run is better than suffering deflation in the short and long runs. In the future, when the economy recovers, Obama economic policy can change. Interest rates can come back up (they're hoovering at about 0% right now), new loaning regulations can lock into place, government spending can be cut back, and taxes can come up to curdle spending. Voila, inflation contained.

But, again, inflation isn't even a shadow of an issue right now. So expecting Obama to focus on hyperinflation during a period of deflation would be economically stupid.

No wonder you fools lose wars and elections. Stuck in the past. Carter was 30 years ago! Hell, that broken old geezer that you ran for president was in his 40's then!

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