Unfortunately, Only A Special Prosecutor Will Suffice

I'm no fan of Special Prosecutor legislation, nor do I think it fair for anyone to presume Obama is corrupt simply because he came out of Chicago. Unfortunately, the conflict of interest in having an Obama Justice Department investigate Blagojevich is increasingly glaring.

The Illinois Gov and even Blagojevich's wife are in the corruption mix now, the latter due to her participation in a notorious Blagojevich conference call. I believe she was the real estate agent who handled the Obama's last home purchase?

Rezko is talking to the Feds and at the least, Obama has been imprecise with his statements regarding his contact with Blagojevich post-election. This image confirms that.

If Obama is clean - and he may be - he can't really cast himself as an agent of change if he fails to acknowledge that even if for the sake of appearances alone, he simply can't preside over a DOJ tasked with looking into these matters.

Certainly it can go forward without one, but if Obama doesn't call for it himself, any higher ground he hopes to occupy while in office will begin to slide out from under his feet.

There's also a case to be made for Bush to make the move on Obama's behalf before January 20th. If it doesn't happen now and Obama's popularity starts to decline much at all while in Office, it will.

Comments

[anon]

Dumb, dumber, dumbest.

There is no reason to think that Fitzgerald needs any help in this case and absolutely no reason to believe that Obama has done anything other than passively condone corruption, which isn't illegal.

[jharp]

From Hot Air. "As I wrote above, not necessarily, and it’s worth pointing out that the photo itself is undated." "Neither, though, does it mean that they didn’t discuss it, either before or after the election, or both."

Astounding. I really find it hard to believe that 25% of Americans buy into Malkin's nonsense.

[syn]

"absolutely no reason to believe that Obama has done anything other than passively condone corruption"

Other than being a senator for slumlords and relishing Valerie Jarrett's ability to profit off her own poverty-stricken community, you are ABSOLUTELY right the Smartest President in the Universe is squeaky clean and shiny and bright:

By Binyamin Appelbaum
Globe Staff / June 27, 2008
CHICAGO - The squat brick buildings of Grove Parc Plaza, in a dense neighborhood that Barack Obama represented for eight years as a state senator, hold 504 apartments subsidized by the federal government for people who can't afford to live anywhere else.

But it's not safe to live here.

[syn]

jharp

Question. Does your overlord pay you by the word, the post or is your position salaried? Further, does your overlord provide you with free health care?

[mark l.]

"absolutely no reason to believe that Obama has done anything other than passively condone corruption"

aside from the fact that the financial mastermind(rezko) of Blagojevich's pay for play happens to be Obama's chief financial mastermind during his time in State office.

I've seen gop congressmen on the hot seat for taking less than 25k from Abramoff. Obama recieved millions from rezko's fountain. (please note that one of rb's bribe request list was that his wife be given a high paying, cushy job. Michelle Obama worked for 350k at a Rezko run hospital) I have yet to see a gop congress critter actually buy adjacent property on the same day, for 300k less than market value with Abramoff, only to buy the adjacent property below value, prior to Abramoff selling his remaining portion. No one was that 'stupid'.

Special prosecutor? I'm happy to see obama getting his wings clipped, but I'm not out for his head. The distinction that must be made between Clinton and Obama is that despite obama's misdeeds, the offense was committed prior to taking office, while Clinton's criminal behavior was comitted in office. Let the buyer beware, but once purchase is made, one cannot go back and ask for a refund when they bought it, knowing the defects.

special prosecutor? never for a crime committed prior to office, but then the problem is never the initial defense, so much as the coverup. The only reason I would want a special prosecutor is if WH officials seek to block further investigations.

[SacTownMan]

I got this in my inbox from Dick Morris today,

"DON'T FIRE FITZ

By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

Published in the New York Post on December 11, 2008

When Bill Clinton took office in January 1993, he was hearing the foot steps of Little Rock US Attorney Charles Banks, who was hot on his heels as he probed charges of corruption that swirled around the Watergate land deal. President Clinton decided, in one of his first acts, to fire all 93 US Attorneys - claiming he wanted a clean slate.

Many insiders suspected that the other 92 bodies were a cover for firing Banks and replacing him with Paula Casey, a Clinton ally.

US Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald's indictment of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich raises a similar question as President-elect Barack Obama prepares to take office. Will the new president fire Fitzgerald?

In view of the often-close relationship between Blagojevich, Obama and other key members of the incoming administration, it would be a travesty were Fitzgerald's head to roll now. Consider:

* Fitzgerald has already indicted and convicted Antoin Rezko, Obama's friend and key financial backer who may have arranged for the then-state-senator to acquire his home and adjoining property on advantageous terms.

* Obama and incoming Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel were among an intimate circle of Blagojevich advisers when Blago first ran for governor in 2002. Emanuel says that he, Obama and others "participated in a small group that met weekly when Rod was running for governor. We basically laid out the general election, Barack and I and these two."

* Obama adviser and media guru David Axelrod worked for Blagojevich in his races for Congress before he ran for governor, although Axelrod (a consultant of uncommon integrity) refused to work for Blagojevich when he ran for governor.

* Even though Fitzgerald had already made clear that he was investigating the governor, following up "very serious allegations of endemic hiring fraud" and noted that he had "a number of credible witnesses," Obama vigorously backed Blagojevich for re-election in 2006. At the Illinois State Fair that August, ABC's Jake Tapper reported that Obama told the crowd, "We've got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois."

Fitzgerald has clearly signaled that his probe doesn't involve Obama, but who knows if it might lead to other Illinois Democrats in the new president's coterie of aides?

If Fitzgerald stays on the job, we can be sure the investigation will be pursued honestly and thoroughly. His Inspector Javert-like pursuit of the Valerie Plame scandal, aimed at the heart of the Bush administration, should be more than enough proof of his nonpolitical credentials.

Obama shouldn't hesitate to replace Fitzgerald once his work is done. But if he removes the Illinois US attorney right off the bat, we'll be left wondering if he did so to cover something up."

They should just let this guy do his job until he is finished, anything else would be seen as "more of the same"!

[Anon]

I didn't say he was squeaky clean and shiny and bright. I said that appointing a special prosecutor was a dumb move and that there is no evidence Obama has done anything other than pasively condone the govenor's corruption.

Obama is a product of the Chicago political machine, he's a politician, he knows all about giving something to get something. How else do you think his wife got a $350K job? However quid pro quo is not the same as criminal corruption.

Obama is not stupid, he's very smart. I don't believe for a second he was directly involved in the gov's scheme to get money for the Senate seat, though I suspect he knew about it or knew it was probable and likely. But, being a liar, a dissembler and a false prophet isn't a criminal offense.

If the GOP starts blabbing about a special prosecutor it will further turn off the American public to the Republican Party and allow the Dems to continue to paint them as the party of hate, w/no new ideas and nothing to sell except dead babies, gay marriage and giveaways to the rich. It would be political suicide to ask for a special prosecutor at this point.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I'm no fan of Special Prosecutor legislation, nor do I think it fair for anyone to presume Bush is corrupt simply because he came out of Texas. Unfortunately, the conflict of interest in having a Bush Justice Department investigate itself is increasingly glaring. --"

Special Prosecutors! We need special prosecutors! Just in time for an opposition President.

I eagerly awaited Dan's demand for special prosecutors after the Bush DoJ was exposed as having condoned and encouraged torture of US citizens and other enemy combatants.

Then I eagerly awaited Dan's demand for special prosecutors after $9 billion went missing in Iraq.

Then I eagerly awaited Dan's demand for special prosecutors after 9 of Bush's own USAs were pulled from cases involving corrupt Republicans or acquitted Dems.

Oh, who am I kidding. I didn't expect Dan to demand any of that for a Republican Administration.

He threw a childish fit over Fitzgerald's initial indictment of Libby. It's only natural that he call Fitzgerald into question again, despite the fact that he's chasing after crooks on the other side of the aisle. Clearly, we need a hyper-partisan investigation of the non-partisan existing investigation. Because its so obvious that Fitzgerald is in the tank for Obama. Where is Ken Starr when you need him?

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Haha, we demand an independent investigation!! Remember all the times this was echoed by wingers during the Bush administration? Yeah, me either. Every time the administration absolved itself for wrong doing, that was just fine with the wingers. Fitzgerald is not an Obama appointee. He just indicted a Democratic Gov. from Obama's state. If you idiots think that Fitz can't do this thing fairly, prove it. Otherwise go back to enjoying the wilderness for the foreseeable future.

[Fred Beloit]

I think there should be a special blogger prosecutor to expose those who use the Big Lie technique to try to change the facts of history. Islamollama is a case in point.

Read this person's prose, rife with falsities:
"Strange that the incoming Bush Administration and Republican Congress never actually managed to prosecute him for it. Clinton was certainly slick, I won't argue that. And we can argue over what the definition of "is" is. But the bottom line is that when the Republican Congress was attempting to nail him on whatever it was that lead to the Monica question (sexual harassment or something, I don't even remember and I doubt you do either) he was asked whether he had sex with her. He answered "No". And, given that there was no proof of intercourse, I'm not sure what you're claiming he lied about.

Now having sex with your intern certainly isn't illegal, and it was hardly the focus of the original charges against Bill. So someone could easily point out that after six years of witch hunts the only thing the GOP ever managed to nail Clinton on was fudging the definition of sex while under oath..."

Here is the real story (Wiki):
"The President of the United States Bill Clinton was impeached by the House of Representatives on December 19, 1998, and acquitted by the Senate on February 12, 1999. The charges, perjury, obstruction of justice and abuse of power arose from the Monica Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones law suit. The trial proceedings were largely party-line, with no Democratic Senators voting for conviction and only five Democratic Representatives voting to impeach. In all, 50 senators voted not guilty, and 50 voted guilty on the obstruction charge. The Senate also acquitted on the charge of perjury with 55 votes cast as not guilty, and 45 votes as guilty. It was only the second impeachment of a President in American history, following the impeachment of Andrew Johnson in 1868."

Note the House impeached Clinton for perjury, obstruction of justice, and abuse of power, not intercourse nor a BJ. Note also that NOT ONE DEMOCRATICIC SENATOR voted guilty, even though they all signed an oath they would be impartial. Schumer, to his everlasting shame most especially because he is a lawyer, got his face on TV allowing that sure Clinton committed a little false testimony but it "didn't rise to the level" of a high crime or misdemeanor.

"In his deposition for the Jones lawsuit, Clinton denied having "sexual relations" with Lewinsky. Based on the evidence provided by Tripp, a blue dress with Clinton's semen, Starr concluded that this sworn testimony was false and perjurious.

During the deposition, Clinton was asked "Have you ever had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky, as that term is defined in Deposition Exhibit 1, as modified by the Court." The judge ordered that Clinton be given an opportunity to review the agreed definition. Afterwards, based on the definition created by the Independent Counsel's Office, Clinton answered "I have never had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky." Clinton later stated that he believed the agreed-upon definition of sexual relations excluded his receiving oral sex. Oral sex consists of all sexual activities that involve the use of the mouth, which may include use of the tongue, teeth, and throat, to stimulate genitalia.

"President Clinton was held in contempt of court by judge Susan D.Webber Wright[2] His license to practice law was suspended in Arkansas and later by the United States Supreme Court.[3] He was also fined $90,000 for giving false testimony [4] which was paid by a fund raised for his legal expenses."
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Lewinsky-scandal

[mark l.]

I've kinda been wondering about the state of the federal prosecutors.

The dems went squealing over 5 firings. Can they really go out and clean house, four years after making the argument that the president can't fire five of them?

[Anon]

This is why the country is falling apart. The Ken Starr investigation was a travesty from start to finish. The millions spent to uncover consensual sex with an intern and then use Clinton's lies about something totally legal was a huge miscarriage of justice. And, no, I don't think lying about sex with an intern rises to the level of any kind of high crime or misdemeanor that warrants any kind of investigation. No sense of proportion. The GOP wanted to get Clinton and after all the investigations that's all they could get. Republicans should be embarrassed about the impeachment. That doesn't change the fact that Bill CLinton was always his own worst enemy in these situations and they always lied and stonewalled even when the truth was harmless.

[mark l.]

"although Axelrod (a consultant of uncommon integrity) refused to work for Blagojevich when he ran for governor."

sac-

glad dick put in a good word for axelrod. He never struck me as crook. His appearance that I caught on election night was a little strange.

He was pretty certain the election was over, but his was the only face that still looked serious, worried. Not bubbly or jubilant, but still focused on details. Looked like a battle scene with clean uniformed, freshly shaven soldiers planting a flag, while the wounded and unshaven guys who had done all the fighting were quietly collecting themselves in the background.

[Fred Beloit]

Moe has a deep interest in torture, it seems. Moe is always accusing (BDS alert) the Bush administration of its widespread use. "I eagerly awaited Dan's demand for special prosecutors after the Bush DoJ was exposed as having condoned and encouraged torture of US citizens and other enemy combatants."

Moe might be interested in this use recently in Germany (the world is OK with this one):
"Like policeman through time and across space, these chaps labored under the delusion that torture could provide useful information, so they had at it. And later found the child, already dead.
In any case, whether the mere threat of pain has been sufficient or the latter has had to be supplemented by the “use of direct force,” within minutes of Ennigkeit’s entering the interrogation room, Gäfgen talks. He tells Ennigkeit where Jakob is to be found. Police rush to the location and find the boy dead, his corpse wrapped in plastic and submerged under a wooden jetty in a pond.
They also got themselves a human rights violation complaint, which the European Court of Human Rights rejected.
Fortunately, none of this happened at Gitmo or the world would be appalled."
http://justoneminute.typepad.com/main/2008/12/why-did-they-bo.html

[PA]

"absolutely no reason to believe that Obama has done anything other than passively condone corruption, which isn't illegal."

What a relief that Obama condones corruption.

[Fred Beloit]

Is the worm (AP) beginning to turn?
"'What I'm absolutely certain about is that our office had no involvement in any dealmaking around my Senate seat. That I'm absolutely certain of,' he[Obama] said. 'That would be a violation of everything that this campaign has been about. And that's not how we do business.'
In addressing the issue, the usually smooth-talking Obama occasionally stuttered or stumbled."

Obama is "absolutely certain" there was no involvement in Braggadociogate by his staff, but he is going to initiate an investigation into Waz-happnin-Ah-don-know-ville anyway. Ok with that am I.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D950LGD00&show_article=1&catnum=0

[ET]

Admit it, libs, you got fooled by your own wishful thinking. You elected a crook to the highest office in the land because he made your leg tingle with talk of hope and change. Now we get four years of listening to the stammering messiah talk his way around his shady friends and backroom dealing.

Great job, libs. Bt the way, looks like you wont get your troop withdrawl or tax hikes either.

Keep hoping for that change!

[jharp]

ET,

I'll admit that I couldn't be happier with President elect Obama.

The health care issue is being brought front and center. Iraq withdrawal is as promised. And based on the economic disaster we are in I agree with postponing the tax hikes.

"You elected a crook"

Dream on. We elected a very smart liberal. Get used to him. You've got 8 years to watch and learn.

[SpaceCat]

You people really think Obama would be stupid enough to do "bidness" with this clown? Seriously? You think Obama would appoint him Sec'y of HHS or give him some other high-profile plum just to get Valerie Jarrett in his old Senate seat?
Man, I don't know who looks more ridiculous: Blago for thinking he could get away with his keystone caper or you wingnuts for thinking Obama would go within 100 miles of it. Take a step back and think about what you're saying. If Obama's going crooked, it's going to be for something a lot bigger than what you're alleging. Say what you want, but the man is nothing if not prudent.

[Fred Beloit]

Wouldn't want this happy accident to get lost in a crowded comments area:

Harpo to ET:
"'Obama worked hard for this guy. He was a key strategist in Rod's 2002 campaign, and a very close associate since then.'
Any evidence to support your claim? It'd be news to me.
Conservatives suck. The destruction they have caused will take years to undo.
Thank God we have a leader like Obama in charge.
Posted by: jharp | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 12:06 AM"
________________________________________________________

Here ya go, Harpo. Always ready to try to help a truth-seeker like you, pal, honk honk:

"Obama Advised Blagojevich On His Victorious Gubernatorial Run. “That year, [Obama] gained his first high-level experience in a statewide campaign when he advised the victorious gubernatorial candidate Rod Blagojevich, another politician with a funny name and a message of reform.” (Ryan Lizza, “Making It,” The New Yorker, 7/21/08)

* Obama: “If the governor asks me to work on his behalf, I’ll be happy to do it.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

Obama Endorsed Blagojevich For A Second Term. “Obama, who endorsed Blagojevich for a second term nearly 18 months ago, said he’s ready to help Illinois democrats in the upcoming elections.” (John Patterson, “Senator Says He’s Still Willing To Help Blagojevich Despite Hiring Concerns,” Chicago Daily Herald, 7/27/06)

* Obama: “We’ve got a governor in Rod Blagojevich who has delivered consistently on behalf of the people of Illinois.” (Deanna Bellandi, “Illinois Democrats Talk Unity But Don’t Show It,” The Associated Press, 8/16/06)

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:57 PM

[ET]

--Iraq withdrawal is as promised.

Right. Exactly as promised by President Bush.

[Malignant Bouffant]

Admit it, cons, you got fooled by your own wishful thinking. You elected a crook to the highest office in the land because he made your leg tingle with talk of no taxes & killing. Now we get four years of listening to the stammering Texan talk his way around his shady friends and backroom dealing & ruining the economy & our military.

Fixed that for you. You're more than welcome.

Great job, libs. Bt the way, looks like you wont get your troop withdrawl or tax hikes either.

Oh no? Try reading something besides Bill Kristol's tea leaves. If this lame site had readers who were able to use HTML, I'd leave a link for you all.

[Malignant Bouffant]

Ah, I see. No style involved. That figures. We know it's the liberal elite media, but look anyway.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28022197/

[jharp]

No shit, Fred. Obama=Democrat, Blago=Democrat

They often do endorse one another.

Obama had no hand in the corruption and was unaware of it. And Obama has rightfully called for his resignation.

[Malignant Bouffant]

Here, I'll save you all the trouble:

"As the only Republican Cabinet member asked to stay on by President-elect Barack Obama, [SecDef] Gates told reporters that military commanders are looking at ways to more quickly pull troops out of Iraq in light of the 16-month timetable that was a centerpiece of the Democrat's campaign."

Now then. No troop withdrawal? No? None?

[jharp]

Right. Exactly as promised by President Bush.

Posted by: ET | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 03:16 PM

I had no idea. So Bush finally got on the Obama bandwagon and opted for a time line of 16 months?

Wow. That President elect Obama is really something. Hasn't even been sworn in and the lame duck Bush is following Obama's policy.

"Great job, libs. Bt the way, looks like you wont get your troop withdrawl"

Posted by: ET | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 02:29 PM

So I guess you are withdrawing your ludicrous claim.

[ET]

You and your malignant friend are smoking crack, jharp. Obie is following Bush's policy. Obama will listen to his military advisors and withdraw troopw when conditions on the ground permit -- just like Bush has been saying since 2003. Uncle Barry made his 16 month promise a long time ago, and his timetable has since passed. He lied through his teeth and you creamed your jeans and voted for him.

Here are some tea leaves for you, bouffass:

--"President-elect Barack Obama no longer believes that the controversial FISA accords should be repealed. And the retention of George Bush's secretary of defense, Robert Gates, along with the impressive appointments of Sen. Hillary Clinton as secretary of state and former Bush Mideast envoy Gen. James L. Jones as national security adviser -- all of whom were in favor of removing Saddam -- suggest that those who once supported the Iraq war will have more foreign policy influence in the Obama administration than those who opposed it all along."

Of course, your bds is incurable, even in the face of mounting evidence that bush's policies are being vindicated by Obama's adoption of them.

I will enjoy the next 4 years of barry hemming and hawing his way through. Since I love my country, I am hoping he will succeed, despite my contention that he is a corrupt politician. And he is quickly abandoning the idiotic liberal positions of the campaign. Of course, your simple minds can't grasp my logic. You fell for "hope and change," so how smart can you be?

[ET]

Oh, here is the link to the full article quoted above:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/12/blame_bush_obama_or_us.html

pay special attention to the last two paragraphs, O simple ones:

"Many of our unpopular policies concerning terrorism, energy and finance are of long duration. They resulted from collective decisions by Congress, past administrations -- and us, the people, in our daily lives. They were no more the fault of George Bush than they can be easily be solved by Barack Obama.

We should remember that fact in 2009, when the once-messianic Obama will become all too human, as he is overwhelmed by structural problems of terror, war and money not all of his own making -- and the once-demonized but now retired George Bush will seem downright competent."

[Malignant Bouffant]

Structural problems? What sort of lib-speak is that? And how much did George Bush do to change that structure? Nothing, he re-enforced it when it was about to collapse.

[Fred Beloit]

Harpo, you little sneak. You asked for evidence for his claim. I provided them. But don't thank me for my work. Just try lamely to change the subject. So it isn't news to you any longer, get me?

Harpo to ET: "'Obama worked hard for this guy. He was a key strategist in Rod's 2002 campaign, and a very close associate since then.'
Any evidence to support your claim? It'd be news to me."

[jharp]

ET,

Obama on health care today. A very important issue to me and all Americans.

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/ezraklein_archive?month=12&year=2008&base_name=the_obama_health_care_press_co

"Uncle Barry made his 16 month promise a long time ago, and his timetable has since passed."

You are a moron. Just in case you didn't know, Obama is not yet the President.

The only policy Obama has wavered on is leaving the Bush tax cuts in place for a while. And based on the economic catastrophe he is inheriting I'm OK with it.

[Fred Beloit]

Oh Harpie, did you know that Obama our next President, currently the Office Manager of the Office of the President Elect, is following Hillary's lead ref Israel's defense. A source close to the Office's back door says Obama will come out in favor of a massive retaliatory strike by the U.S. using nukes should Iran attack Israel with a nuke. Good thing isn't it? This ought to make the Iranians hold us more dear. Do you love it? I knew that you would.
http://www.haaretz.co.il/hasen/pages/ShArtVty.jhtml?sw=obama+retaliatory+strike&itemNo=1045687

[jharp]

Harpo, you little sneak. You asked for evidence for his claim. I provided them. But don't thank me for my work. Just try lamely to change the subject. So it isn't news to you any longer, get me?

Harpo to ET: "'Obama worked hard for this guy. He was a key strategist in Rod's 2002 campaign, and a very close associate since then.'
Any evidence to support your claim? It'd be news to me."

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 04:09 PM

I saw. And Obama did endorse the governor. Hardly a surprise as they are both democrats.

And so what? That was well before he was known to be a crook.

[Fred Beloit]

Oh, Harpie, this may not be good news after all. Some speculate that this may mean Obama would do nothing to stop Iran from going into nuke weaponry. That would be a bad, bad thing.

[jharp]

"A source close to the Office's back door says Obama will come out in favor of a massive retaliatory strike by the U.S. using nukes should Iran attack Israel with a nuke."

Makes sense to me. Is it not supposed to?

"Some speculate that this may mean Obama would do nothing to stop Iran from going into nuke weaponry."

You've learned well from watching Fox News. "Some speculate?"

[Fred Beloit]

Harpo: "And so what?"
I am beginning to question your sanity. You asked for evidence of a relationship. I gave it to you. Do you say, "Oh thanks" like a sane human being? No, you say, "So what?" like a mental patient, or like Al Gore when confronted by the fact of snow in Mississippi and Louisiana. For God's sake see a doctor soon in the name of all that's holy.

[Fred Beloit]

"You've learned well from watching Fox News. "Some speculate?"
No from the NYT when I used to read it, only they said "Highly informed sources well placed to have inside information report that..."

[Fred Beloit]

I'm waiting, Harpo. Do I even have to help yo remember "Put the bong down" and "You're a moron"?

[Malignant Bouffant]

Don't you folks usually spell that "moran?"

[Fred Beloit]

Malodorous Coif, a new sockpuppet. Oh joy. Are you chris or Boob? Are you yyy or Zifnab? Oh never care. You won't tell. Nice meeting you, I'm sure we will commune again.

[Fred Beloit]

Oops, Malodorous Coif isn't a sockpuppet, it is a blogger. My mistake.

[sjohntucson]

Probably a little late now, but, Fred, didn't you say that "Obama worked hard for this guy [Blogo]. He was a key strategist in Rod's 2002 campaign, and a very close associate since then" ? And don't your quotes show nothing more than Obama merely endorsing him? How do you get from that to "key strategist"?

I would like to believe that's what jharp was driving at, but if he wasn't, I'll take up the slack here.

[jharp]

How do you get from that to "key strategist"?

I would like to believe that's what jharp was driving at, but if he wasn't, I'll take up the slack here.

Posted by: sjohntucson | Thursday, December 11, 2008 at 08:53 PM

Thank you sjohn.

That is how Fred's right wing brain works. He forms a conclusion and then searches for any little tidbit, that if even in the most remote way, has something to do with his conclusion and posts it.

Even though it has nothing to do with supporting his argument.

Go easy on him. Though not very bright he seems to be a decent fellow.

[mark l.]

"He forms a conclusion and then searches for any little tidbit, that if even in the most remote way, has something to do with his conclusion and posts it.

Even though it has nothing to do with supporting his argument."

doctor, heal thyself.

[Fred Beloit]

sjohn, I did not make those claims about the nature of Obama's work with Blago, worked hard, key strategist. Another did. I did give sources showing Obama: "advised Blago during Blago's campaign, that Obama offered help to Blago for the future, and that he supported and praised Blago. sjohn, you want to think Obama just licked stamps for Blago's outgoing mail? Be my guest.

But you can see the all that above or yourself. Why did you put me to work that you could do for yourself? In short what are you up to, my new friend?

Just for your viewing pleasure, sjohn, scroll down. Here they are talking about how chances are for the Chicago Bears. http://www.verumserum.com/?p=3467

[Fred Beloit]

...But you can see all that above for yourself...