Too Many Pigs At The Trough

This WSJ item should open Speaker Pelosi's eyes, as if they needed any help. Big Labor, Detroit and the environmental movement with a side helping of Columbian free trade coming together to make Pelosi's job hard work.

Let's hope the gay lobby doesn't find a way to inject itself into this debate somehow if they ever get done harassing religious folk out on the West Coast. And for now, the President-Elect is mostly able to vote present on all of the above.

But post-January it's all on them. Let's hope they don't blink. The American public won't thanks to new media.

What do bleeding Detroit auto makers, Colombia and green groups have in common? Not a lot, unless you are Nancy Pelosi.

If there was a moment that highlights to what extent the Democratic Party has become captive to its special interests, this might be it. Mrs. Pelosi and Harry Reid have spent this week demanding that Washington stave off a car-maker collapse. What makes this a little weird is that Mrs. Pelosi and Mr. Reid are Washington. If they so desperately want a Detroit bailout they could always, you know, pass one.

Comments

[JustOneMan]

Hey lighten up...America voted for hope and change! This is just a preview of what all that hope and change is going to look like!

[Todd]

"Religious folk" can expect to be less harassed after they cease being the driving force behind the gutting of basic human rights from the "gay lobby". Why is is that you choose to describe these religious zealots as folksy implying kindness and a down-to-earth quality, and the gays/lesbians as a lobby implying a nameless, faceless entity?

These are real people and real lives who are being discriminated against. There are basic human rights involving healthcare, insurance, inheritance, immigration, parenting and adoption issues. Some states have passed punitive constitutional amendments that deny not only marriage but also anything resembling marriage, such as civil unions.

Most of the European Jews went to slaughter at the hands of the nazis without a fight. The uprising in the Warsaw Ghetto is celebrated as an act of defiance against tyranny. The reaction on Prop 8 is the gay community's parallel response to the stripping of their human dignity and classification as being less than human, unworthy for consideration of basic human rights.

[JustOneMan]

Whats with all this talk about a "gay lobby"? Whats next "gay hallways", "gay check out counters", "gay bathrooms", "gay stairways", "gay elevators".....when will it end!!!

[Philip McDaniel]

Todd, Proposition 8 was a California issue. Homosexuals have ALL the rights any other person has in California except a marriage certificate. Further, I do not think that an “In-Your-Face demonstration in a person’s house of worship is appropriate. And I hardly think that calling the demonstrators out on it is an example of being “religious zealots”. If you consider that the demonstrations were appropriate, then let’s extend it a bit: how about eating ham sandwiches in a mosque or synagogue?
In regard to this:
“Some states have passed punitive constitutional amendments that deny not only marriage but also anything resembling marriage, such as civil unions. “
I agree with you to the extent that constitutional amendments should not be punitive in that homosexuals should have clearly defined rights under civil unions and not be discriminated against.

[Dan Riehl]

why do you hate democracy, Todd? Sad to see you siding with terrorists like al Gayda.

[Jack Tanner]

gutting of basic human rights

Please - how can you possibly be so f'ng stupid? Marriage is not a right - anywhere, anytime - it is something you need a license for - like driving. The people who are having their rights stepped on are the people who freely went to cast their ballots based on their consciences and voted their free will who are now being terrorized by people who didn't get their way.

[Fred Beloit]

Turd is making an elementary, or should I say alimentary, error (sorry, couldn't resist). Gays most certainly have the same right to make contracts as we all have, e.g., a "civil union", in spite of any "laws" to the contrary. In my non-lawyerly opinion that right to make contracts cannot be taken away from them. And we all have the right to marry. Men may marry women and vise versa. That is in the definition of "marriage". Men MAY NOT marry two or more women at a time and vice versa. There is a separate word for that, bigamy. There is no right to be a bigamist.

But Turd says a gay marriage is an inalienable right, such as the right to free speech. Alas, this is simply untrue. That would be the same as saying we have in inalienable right to call a theft a sale. A theft and a sale are two very different transactions. Judges and lawyers, the activist types, seem to think they have the right to change the meaning of common words. They have no authority to do this. When they do do it they undermine the law. Any fool can see this plainly.

IMO gays make a mistake by going to judges to change the definition of marriage. They should go to the legislators and their neighbors in a democratic way not to activist judges in an open attempt to undermine the law.

[jp]

The fair thing to do, for all concerned, is to have the Union bail out the GM. The money from a government bail out would just go straight to the Union any way, and the union has plenty of money.

[Peg C.]

Back to Nancy and Harry...do these jokers really want a 60 seat majority in the Senate? They not only will be responsible for every idiotic emanation from Congress, they will OWN them. Who do they go whining to then? I can't wait to see them trying to explain away all the coming unintended consequences.

As for the gays, I lived in the shadow of the Mormon Temple in L.A. and was a lefty with no fondness for Mormons. These days I live in NY (a hellhole of its own) but wish I could have voted for Prop. 8 just to smite the angry loons in the gay lobby. They may be turning a lot of otherwise uncaring folks like me into antagonists.

[Lala]

Barack Obama is against gay marriage - he must be a bigot, no?

hursday, November 13, 2008
"Here is Barack Obama in his own words on the definition of marriage," said the robo-call to Californians.
They heard Obama say: "I believe marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God is in the mix."

So Obama was instrumental in getting Prop 8 passed. What do you think of that? Some Obama supporters say it wasn't fair to use Obama like that. After all, Obama also said Prop 8 was "divisive and discriminatory." But that's absurd. Obama had to know that his words would be used by opponents of same-sex marriage. He himself is an opponent of same-sex marriage... except to the extent that he isn't, and I certainly think in his heart he's not, but that in his head he knew he had to say he was to get elected.

read more at

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2008/11/here-is-barack-obama-in-his-own-words.html

[IslamoLlama]

Makes you long for the days of Tom DeLay, when all this legislative wrangling was settled the old fashioned way - who could afford to buy the Republican Congressional Caucus the most hookers (bonus points for gay hookers).

Oh Nancy, Nancy, Nancy. How will you ever reconcile multiple conflicting political interests in this great Big Tent you've established? Such a hard, hard job for a Speaker of the House, and one that I'm sure has never ever ever happened before. Don't you wish you were back in minority status where you had absolutely no power or influence and could be regularly vilified without the burden of political capital to mollify your critics?

Environmentalism! Unions! Corporations! Free Market Consumers! Other Buzzword Special Interest Group! If you just voted with the Republicans, you wouldn't have to worry about any of these plebeian concerns. Because working with constituencies who elected you is DUMB and will only get you re-elected with even greater majorities in 2010. Look at where you are now, Nancy. And look at where John Boehner is sitting. I bet you feel pretty stupid.

[JustOneMan]

The Gays should be blamimg Acorn and King Barry. They are the ones that enrolled all the black and minority voters who actually are responsible for this situation...could you imagine if the gays actually protested in front of or in the black and latino churches. Me thinks that there would be alot of "busted heads". Imgaine those pictures on the front page of the NYT!!!

How the come the gays are not out chanting in the street "Please King Barry...waive your septre and enforce you holy....buy gay.... rule!!!!"

[Lala]

No, justoneman, they prefer to attack little old ladies

http://gatorgop.blogspot.com/2008/11/crazy-lefties-attack-old-lady-at-no-on.html

[IslamoLlama]

"-- The Gays should be blamimg Acorn and King Barry. --"

But they're not, and more's the horror. The LGBT community knows where the Republican Party stands on gay rights and they know where the Democratic Party stands. And they keep voting and donating and supporting the Democratic Party.

Strange how screaming and stomping your feet doesn't generate the wedge issue you hoped it would. The Gay Community took out its frustration on the Mormon Church rather than mindlessly taking the GOP bait and lashing out at the black community. Funny how Democrats aren't stupid enough to fall for GOoPer tricks. Maybe that's why we've been bludgeoning you for the last two electoral cycles.

[seekeronos]

"--- Please - how can you possibly be so f'ng stupid? Marriage is not a right - anywhere, anytime - it is something you need a license for - like driving. ---"

And things should not be this way: originally, the wedding permit/license was just a record of the marriage -- formerly called a "certificate of marriage".

Now, we need the state's permission to marry. Perhaps it is a delicate tradeoff, to suffer a little loss of liberty in light of all those 2.5%ers who want to change the definition of marriage to mean a holy union between man and man, or woman and woman, or man and beast, or woman and beast, or multi-partner unions (polyamory) or even to minor children.

[JustOneMan]

lala...what an obscene video! a bunch of fat, ugly dirty looking gay guys beating down an old church lady...arent you gays embarassed? Well I guess it does put to rest the stereotype that gay guys are clean, in shape, good looking and well dressed!!!

Blame Barry...he is the one who did this too you not her!

[mary]

I know you are going to get mad at me for this one but, could they be trying to coax McCain to cross the aisle permanently?

[JustOneMan]

Mary...are you saying that the Gay Lobby is trying to convince McCain to turn gay????

[jharp]

"--- Please - how can you possibly be so f'ng stupid? Marriage is not a right - anywhere, anytime - it is something you need a license for - like driving. ---"

That is not true in Ohio. Ohio recognizes common law marriages. As far as other states I have no idea. But a common law marriage in Ohio

[Spartan112]

Whats with all this talk about a "gay lobby"? Whats next "gay hallways", "gay check out counters", "gay bathrooms", "gay stairways", "gay elevators".....when will it end!!!

Posted by: JustOneMan | Friday, November 14, 2008 at 09:01 AM

Separate but equal?