As we've been discussing politics and policies so heatedly for so long, it's safe to assume that based upon our recent election and, now, new political leadership and their plans, perhaps as many as 20 million illegal immigrants aren't simply going to be given a path to citizenship and a driver's license, but guaranteed health care equal to their own, right?
Oh yeah, that national political discussion should be fun to watch.
Change!
Hope!


this is another topic that mccain chose not to campaign on, ignoring the base and popualr sentiment.
had he run on a 'secure the borders first' he would have suffered with hispanics. although their polling had to have told them 3 months ago that they were fighting a losing battle on the demographic.
I can only imagine a 'fred thompson-like' candidate running on border enforcement.
The context of obama's illegal aunt living in govt housing would have been completely different. There is a list of Americans seeking public housing in every city. There isn't enough space for them. Compound the aunt living off the govt dole, illegally, with her sending 250 dollars to the campaign.
free housing, and she is using her money on campaigns?
mccain has no one to blame but himself. anytime the gop wants to win, the issue will remain. maybe they do need to get more desperate...
Posted by: mark l. | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 07:44 PM
"I can only imagine a 'fred thompson-like' candidate running on border enforcement."
Our polling expert weighs in.
I'll tell what a Fred Thompson like candidate would have done.
538 - 0. Though he might have taken Utah.
mark l, you are a loser. And polling ignoramus.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 07:51 PM
mark l,
Appears you are a coward too.
How'd those Pennsylvania predictions turn out for ya?
You were wrong on every single state. All of em. 100% dead wrong.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:14 PM
mark l, you are a loser. And polling ignoramus.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 07:51 PM
What is a loser, jharp? Someone who cannot speak without name-calling?
Posted by: Jake | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:16 PM
How ironic is it that someone who, ostensibly protected by the anonymity of the internet, does nothing but hurl invective like some crazed mental patient off his meds and then calls other people cowards.
Posted by: Bilby | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:17 PM
I think you underestimate the number of Democrats who are actually against illegal immigration. The leaders of the party want amnesty and open borders, however there are a lot of politicians and regular people who are not. The 2006 election had a lot of Democrats win with a platform that included not giving illegals amnesty.
Obama has a lot of other things to worry about besides providing amnesty to illegals. I think it's safe to say that it ranks pretty low on his to-do list. The American people, both Democrats and Republicans, aren't going to let amnesty get passed. We proved it once before and we'll prove it again.
Posted by: mj | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:20 PM
What is a loser, jharp?
Someone who posts utter nonsense and is wrong about everything. Everything! Then runs and hides when called out on it.
Oh, and John McCain and Sarah Palin are losers too.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:31 PM
its becoming very clear...first Obamas Grand Mammy mysteriously dies and kept on ice ...then two "Men in Black" are seen at a Phildelphia polling booth and now Michael Crichton suddenly dies...its all becoming very clear....
Posted by: JustOneMan | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:40 PM
"Then runs and hides when called out on it."
You would know.
Posted by: Jake | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 08:50 PM
"How'd those Pennsylvania predictions turn out for ya?"
I'll tell you what. go back and look, 'I dare you' (to spend an hour of your life in a meaningless pursuit).
To be fair, please go get all my predictions.
I think 4 to 5 aluminum cans an hour is your going rate...for other services.
I have 10 I'll give you, but you might have to clean my tobacco spit out of a couple. Be careful, the spit is worth more than you.
Posted by: mark l. | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:05 PM
jharp-
you've been holding out on me. When I was pimping you outside Ryker's, you told me you wuz only getting three cans.
Posted by: 44 | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:14 PM
tell you what jharp-
I'll mail in 50 bucks to the irs, and tell them it is from jharp.
then you can tell your momma what it is like to 'almost' pay taxes.
Posted by: mark l. | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:19 PM
To be fair, please go get all my predictions.
Posted by: mark l. | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:05 PM
You were wrong on every single one. All of them. You didn't get any right.
And almost all of the pollsters were right. Except maybe, I repeat maybe, the ones you cited.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:37 PM
jharp, i thought you were moving on from here. Look dude, your man won. Your check is in the mail, so you can slack off even more now. So spare us your insults and go hit the driving range...uncle barry will take care of your kids now...so you can continue to be an absentee father and business failure.
btw, who is taking care of your wife while you are out enjoying the freedom that other people's hard work affords you?
Posted by: ET | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:45 PM
jharp is living large tonite.
Bet he just got his govt check and he's trying to decide between scoring some crack, or buying scratchoff tickets.
dennis haysbert is a more qualified to be prez.
Posted by: mark l. | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 11:26 PM
You were wrong on every single one. All of them. You didn't get any right.
And almost all of the pollsters were right. Except maybe, I repeat maybe, the ones you cited.
Posted by: jharp | Wednesday, November 05, 2008 at 10:37 PM
Drudge has a list of the pollsters that were right. TWO of them. Out of a mere 20.
Posted by: Jake | Thursday, November 06, 2008 at 01:37 AM
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mark l,
Appears you are a coward too.
How'd those Pennsylvania predictions turn out for ya?
You were wrong on every single state. All of em. 100% dead wrong.
---"
Jharp:
I could understand being a sore loser... but why are you being a sore winner?
That doesn't quite add up.
Gloating and revelling in schadenfreude may be things that a winner may do, but I thought that maybe you might be better, and above that sort of thing.
Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, November 06, 2008 at 12:17 PM
I think, when it's all said and done, we'll find out that the amnesty will include 30 to 40 million.
And all of them will collect social services at a higher rate than the rest of the population.
Nation Killer.
As far as I can tell, Obama doesn't have a single policy that won't kill this country.
Watch for industries to be nationalized.
Watch for it to become illegal to lay off your employees....
Or just read Atlas Shrugged. It's all laid out there...
Posted by: ToddK | Thursday, November 06, 2008 at 03:55 PM