Ohio Official Who Searched Plumber's Records Hearts Obama

Update: You'll see at the link Ace offers their defense. A defense about searching records of lottery winners being proof of a normal protocol. Thats BS. They do that as there is money involved and the state can step in and grab an overdue child support payment. I suspect that's a formal policy, not done just because someone is in the news.

Ace asks the question:

PS, the tip here (which I'm still looking for evidence on) is that Helen Jones-Kelly just happens to be a supporter of Barack Obama.

Well, this just might be a clue:

DAYTON — Some say Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama is an exception to a stereotype about black male success.

 But Parity Inc. co-chairwoman Helen Jones-Kelly said the senator from Illinois is just one example of a strong African American male leader.

"We have outstanding African American men – men of color – throughout this country," she said.

Parity Inc., an organization dedicated to fostering racial equality, hosted the 17th annual program at Sinclair Community College's David H. Ponitz Center.

 

Comments

[anon]

I do like Barr but to vote for Barr is a vote for Obama at this point.....how can America be so blind...but then William Ayers tells his crew to go after the children...and this he has done.

Posted by: valerie | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:17 PM

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My state will go overwhelmingly for Obama, so in my case a vote for Barr won't really hurt McCain. Additionally, I'm not too sold on McCain as presidential material, he is less of a risk than Obama but that isn't saying much.

I keep saying the Republicans need to start thinking about Congress in 2010 and FULLY repudiate the George Bush/Tom DeLay school of governing and go back to their conservative roots or there is no hope for the country with a huge Democratic majority in Congress and a socialist leaning president in the White House.

[North Dallas Thirty]

"Their lawyers had meetings which were not fruitful according to the Obama campaign and Obama when with private financing while McCain took public money and further put a drain on our economy. So much for personal responsibility."

That's funny; before, Obama said that anyone who didn't take public financing was being purchased by "special interest" groups and lobbyists and was betraying the public's trust.

Of course, if he had taken public financing, he might have actually had to allow his website to detect and stop fraudulent contributions, rather than disabling that functionality.

Furthermore, he wouldn't be able to tap such contributors as "Doodad Pro" and "Good Will".

[mark l.]

pew is a democratic pollling firm...
andrew kohutt, madelaine albright, etc. The only thing they are useful for, sometimes, is their survey of foreign attitudes.

15pts? coffee just got ejected out my nose.

my first guess of an oversampling of dems was correct-

in their survey, the democrat approval number was at 57%, 33% disapproval.
for the republican it was 40% approval, 50% disapproval.
(another implication is that the poll has NO independents in it, except for 3%, assuming no one like both the gop and dems simultaneously)

generic difference? 17 pts, which strangely matches the poll result of 15pts.

The broad implication, that the democrats are underperforming generic support, is still confirmed.

a hidden jewel though?

53/57=93% support among those with favorable views of dems for obama.
38/40=95% support for mccain among those with favorable views of the gop.

sounds like mccain has resolved his issues with the base.

[mary]

OMG just heard a clip on the radio of Biden saying "it should go to the middle class, people making under $150,000." So they are really lowering it again. Wow.

They started at $250, then went to $200 and now $150 which means for single people it will be $100.

[Spartan112]

"I heard Hannity said Obama is secretly the head of a Neo-Nazi group and planned this whole assassination thing to boost his election chances.

Posted by: Spartan112 | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 11:48 AM"

I seriously cannot stand Sean Hannity but, in this case, he is probably right. A lot of people are saying that so it isn't really an original idea. Just like a lot of people are saying the girl with the "B" on her face was also not from the republican side.

Well, the way the campaign has been run, lots of smoke and mirrors, of course now there will be dirty tricks. It is the dirty tricks after he is elected that concern me though.

I am undecided still but BO isn't making me want to vote for him at all. Don't care for McCain much. I seriously might not vote at all. I've voted in every election since I was eligible to vote even the little ones so this would be major for me.

Posted by: mary | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:02 PM

My goodness you are a moron Mary. It was a joke...I was kidding...sarcasm...facetious...whoops, careful there's drool on your chin.

[Lala]

Liberal columnist Denis Hamill claims white Democrat voters in New York City are racist and won't vote for Obama - wow, maybe New York will go to McCain.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/queens/2008/10/27/2008-10-27_gray_issue_turns_black_and_white_with_mc.html

Gray issue turns black and white

excerpt

The man was about 50, sporting fashionable leisure wear, and his attractive wife wore a designer dress and real jewelry. The guy wiped filet mignon juice from his lips and said, "Couldn't help overhearing. We're voting for Obama. I hope he wins. But we're nervous. We're Jewish and I spoke to my parents down in Florida today. They're voting for McCain."

"Because he's white," said the wife. "Same with my parents."

"They just won't vote for a black man," the guy said. "And they're Democrats! Never voted Republican before!"

If it were an isolated incident, I wouldn't mind.

But the woman at my table added that the only one of her three sons who was a registered Democrat was voting for McCain because he was white.

And I've been hearing stuff like that for the past few months. What I hear banging around Queens is not, of course, a scientific survey. It's anecdotal. But after a while you feel a disturbing vibe.

"Most of the guys at my law firm are voting for McCain," said a lawyer I know. "Not for any specific issue. Because he's white. No, make that because he's not black. It's scary because these are educated people."

He said his own wife was voting for McCain for the same reason. And she's a teacher.

Other educated white people have told me that "it's too soon" for a black man to be president. Or, "I thought it would happen in my kids' lifetimes, not mine."

And this is in Queens, the most ethnically, racially, and religiously diverse county in America, in "liberal" New York City.

[mary]

"My goodness you are a moron Mary. It was a joke...I was kidding...sarcasm...facetious...whoops, careful there's drool on your chin.

Posted by: Spartan112 | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 12:41 PM"

I am not a moron, I was telling you that this is what "regular people" are saying in the grocery store.

[mark l.]

one other point about party weighting...

final result of 04 was 37% dem, 37% gop, 26% independent, despite polling avergaes which foretold generic vote 48d/37r/15no preference.

The implication of the polling was that the actual total were defined dem=generic support, gop=generic support PLUS ALL those who held no preference. You might want to take a peak at the current generic diffrences.

I have little doubt that you would NOT argue against the idea that dem support is doing well, and that gop support is dwindling.

The result of the phenomena is that independents move to dem, and gop are fleeing to independent, which, especially after 06(richly deserved comeuppance for the gop). the end result is that there is a burgeoning of the independent vote, that filtered out the democratic leaners, and swelled with gop voters fleeing to this 'non' affiliated segment.

Your pew poll actually confirms that obama is not drawing any votes from non-affilited, even if it is 3% by their numbers.

[mary]

Lala, NY will never go to McCain. Isn't NY a very very liberal state?

Maybe you can answer this. I heard a bunch of people arguing about BO's stance on Israel. People get very heated when they talk about stuff like that so you couldn't miss the discussion. What is BO's stance on Israel. That is what they were vigorously arguing about.

[mark l.]

There exists a bloc of voters, 20-25%, maybe larger given the all time low congressional approval, righttrack/wrong track, that despises govt.

the republican party has become synonymous with large govt, based on their actions over the past 6 years, and obama has not done anything to draw these voters in.

mccain is less than inspiring on the smaller govt, but remains a viable alternative to obama given his fiscal hawk status. The gop remains the lesser of two evils among this group especially given the 'redistribution' plans of obama. will these people openly support mccain? no. will these people vote against obama? yes.

This is an absolutely massive group, with very polarized views, regarding.

I'll repeat, those who do not associate with either party, vote republican by a massive amount, soley out of choosing the lesser of two evils.

[Lala]

Mary,
New York is 5-3 in favor of Democrats but there is also a Conservative party. Many people register as Dems but vote Rep. It goes back to Tammany Hall. Lots of union jobs and others were controlled by the Dems and they would check party affiliation when it came to helping someone.

What is Obama's stance on Israel? Well, the Jews wouldn't be arguing about it if they knew, would they? Everything Obama says is in lawyer-speak, there's always an escape clause.

[Lala]

Mary,
Jewish Reublicans have a web site - http://www.rjchq.org/

[mary]

Thanks for the history lesson lala, that makes a lot of sense.

I guess he hasn't been clear. I am hearing a lot of people, even non jews discussing foreign policy. That and the fact that people are hurting, their 401K's are down and that the democrats in congress just want to take over the 401k's.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

OMG, this is so much worse than lying about a mean black man assaulting a poor innocent white (and therefore proper American) girl, which we all know is unfair to attribute to the McCain campaign. OBAMA IS A FASCISTS!!!!!111

"I seriously might not vote at all."

Good idea. If you are pig-ignorant enough to believe that the progressive tax system that has been in effect in this country since the turn of the 20th century, represents "socialism," you have no business voting.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"I am not a moron, I was telling you that this is what "regular people" are saying in the grocery store."

Mary, you ARE a moron, if you believe ascribe any credence to the paranoid delusions of these so-called "regular people" at the grocery store, and post them as points to be taken seriously.

[seekeronos]

"---
Mary,
New York is 5-3 in favor of Democrats but there is also a Conservative party. Many people register as Dems but vote Rep. It goes back to Tammany Hall. Lots of union jobs and others were controlled by the Dems and they would check party affiliation when it came to helping someone.

What is Obama's stance on Israel? Well, the Jews wouldn't be arguing about it if they knew, would they? Everything Obama says is in lawyer-speak, there's always an escape clause.
---"

NY State has three large liberal pockets - pretty much the entirety of NYC, the Capitol District around Albany, and a ribbon-like continuum spanning from Buffalo to Rochester. Everything else in the state trends moderately conservative, with quite a few Ron Paul supporters (Libertarians and GOP Liberty Caucus types).

I had the unusual pleasure of meeting three other Ron Paulites at the ATM this weekend, which only became apparent after someone mentioned our currency as increasingly being worthless - which started up a brief discussion on Dr. Paul and his wisdom which are sadly, going very much unheeded by the general population.

That in itself is worrisome, for a people who have forgotten liberty are soon doomed to wear the chains of slavery once again.

[Todd]

Nobody gives a crap about Joe the Plumber. It's yet another failed McCain narrative that hasn't worked and won't work no matter what.

John McCain has nothing to run on so he flails away from one nonsensical theme to another. Everyone who isn't a wingnut knows he's a tired, old man whose time has passed.

[jharp]

mark l,

You are not fooling anyone except the knuckledragging retards who support McCain.

I have never seen such amateurish attempts in such length to try and skew poll data.

You know nothing about polling and your posts only further confirm it.

Have you ever like.. .. studied polling? Or taken a statistics class?

[Todd]

"Maybe you can answer this. I heard a bunch of people arguing about BO's stance on Israel. People get very heated when they talk about stuff like that so you couldn't miss the discussion. What is BO's stance on Israel. That is what they were vigorously arguing about.
Posted by: Lala | Tuesday, October 28, 2008 at 01:27 PM"

There's virtually no debate among Jewish voters about BO's stance on Israel. According to a Gallup poll taken 10/24/08, Barack Obama is favored by 74% of Jewish voters vs 22% support for John McCain. That is up from 67% support from two weeks prior in a poll taken by NYU.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1031176.html

[Lala]

Seek,
Staten Island usually goes Republican and so does a large section of Queens.
"Staten Island's vote proved crucial in electing Republican mayors Rudy Giuliani in 1993 and 1997, and Michael Bloomberg in 2003."

[The Sleuth]

Ruh Roh Shaggy, looks like someone else has done some plumbing:

Helen E Jones Kelley
DOB: 06/07/1951
4751 Rushwood Cr
Englewood, OH 45322

[templar knight]

Well...well...the culprit violating the privacy of Joe the Plumber is a big Obama supporter, huh? Now that's a real shocker! Almost as shocking as the silence of the hypocrites who decried the loss of privacy under George Bush. Do you liberals have one issue on which you are not hypocritical? One?

[Bilby]

It keeps getting more interesting: http://www.wnwo.com/news/story.aspx?id=213580

"Toledo Police have confirmed that a TPD records clerk is accused of performing an illegal search of information related to 'Joe the Plumber.'

Julie McConnell, has been charged with Gross Misconduct for allegedly making an improper inquiry into a state database in search of information pertaining to Samuel Wurzelbacher on Oct. 16."

[Sisyphus]

I thought liberals prized privacy. Unless you inadvertently get Obama to reveal his redistributionist (i.e., theft) policies. Then your privacy is meaningless.

This is just the tip of the iceberg under an Obama Presidency. You have been warned.

[mark l.]

"I have never seen such amateurish attempts in such length to try and skew poll data."

coming from a guy who is using today's polls, to tell me what it will look like in 7 days.

guess I shouldn't even watch the returns.