Obama Affair Nonsense

Look folks - I'm seeing this stuff about an alleged Obama affair being shipped around on the Right blogs. As far as I'm concerned, it's a lot of nonsense and the people going on about "sources" and "confirmations" but the MSM is holding back aren't doing themselves good service by trafficking in this.

Here's the deal - you don't need the MSM to break a story today. If you got the goods - spill it. If you don't, then STFU.

Give me names, times and dates - because the media can't ignore those. But rank speculation and disguised voices ain't cuttting it with me. All you are doing is pushing slander without either the courage, or wisdom to back it up. And if you can't back it up, shut it down.

Comments

[tally]

Hillary's camp put this stuff out last summer and it didn't fly.

[BobinStamford]

Sites like Blackfive and the ACE of Spades are hilarious. Porky keyboard warriors living in their moms basements that probably haven't gotten laid since the last Bush administration. I can see these losers driving Dodge Neon's with bumper stickers that say "Kill Them All, Let God Sort Them Out". Sad, angry, marginalized white guys.

Semper Fi!! And a big OOOOH RAHHH as you hang out on youporn tonight.

[jamie]

Nobody is "sitting" on this story. But it's obvious the blogsters are sitting on what's left of their brains. The reason why they don't produce the "goods" is because there are no "goods" to produce.

And the last thing a McCain supporter should want to bring up is adultery, given McCain's long and flagrant history of it.

[mark l.]

I entertained the larry sinclair theory for about 3 minutes...
won't even bother clicking this.

I would much rather win on the classic conservative/liberal debate.
Still made to be had...

If the gop hasn't gained any traction over-

*the conviction of obama's number one financial backer, complete with an actual land deal that obama politely calls 'stupid';

*his success in politics being based on his friendship with Ayers,

*and his inability to recognize that he was going to a church that might not like white people or jews over a twenty year span,

they could have pictures of obama raping the baby jesus, and it might pick up 1% of the vote(in the polls).

[firefirefire]

"All you are doing is pushing slander without either the courage, or wisdom to back it up."

sorta like the Dems

[Lala]

http://hillbuzz.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/who-is-vera-baker-and-why-is-she-in-martinique/

[Trent Rouse]

I can't find your "Thugs for Change" posting from yesterday. Is it your policy to pull down your own morally-outraged blogs when they turn out to be horribly embarassing for you? So is Obama a "street thug out of Chicago" or isn't he? Stand by your claims, coward.

[Dan Riehl]

just scroll Trent - no coward here, but obviously you're a moron. I win!

[mark l.]

there going with a attractive female?

It probably won't last, like nicole peterson, natalie holoway, deb lafave, or casey anthony...it will quickly fade of the radar.

might make its way into tabloids, like the john edwards reille hunter story, 6 months after it initally surfaces.

I'm starting to get the idea that electing a political nobody, and slapping the 'democrat' brand on him poses its own risks/rewards. Of course I thought that in 92, and I had to wait a whole two years before it started producing dividends.

[Scrapiron]

The story is orginally from the Hillary web site. He lefties, Hill was once your hero. What happened, you find a fart stain in her underwear?
I could never be a democrat. Not enough hate in my body to destroy my own mind (as the democrats have done) on purpose.

Then we have the smartest of the smart democrats from liberal colleges across the nation registering to vote, and voting, in a state they have never, and will never, live in. Excuse, I didn't know that. That proves the low intel of people in the democrat party.

[mary]

With militant michelle do you honestly think the poor guy would even have half a chance to step out on her?

[Dan S.]

I have a hard time believing that anyone as ambitious and calculating as Obama would be so stupid as to have an affair while campaigning for President (esp. when the only apparent 'evidence' for it is that Michelle Obama was more angry than usual one day). Yeah, ok, Edwards was that stupid but he's no Obama. Did anyone really expect anything better from an ambulance-chaser like Edwards?

I want McCain to win but I'd like him to win fair and square and not because some Obama affair comes to light days before the election. And as crazy as this year has been I'm not convinced it would even make a huge difference. The KoolAid has been drunk and there's no turning back for most of his followers.

[mark l.]

I'm seeing some glaring holes in the obama campaign, coming from gallup...

not their poll numbers so much as the demographic subgroups:

Mccain in winning those who attend church weekly-
66-27. That's 39 pts difference...
bush only got a 20 pt advantage.

considering that the segment being discussed was 42% of the electorate of 04,
the difference is a net 10 million votes in 04, versus a net potential of 20 million.
unless the relgious are scared away by hopeless polls.

There are numerous subgroups, education, white voters etc, where obama is doing better, but rev Wright still is essential element of mccain gettin good turnout.

Military subgroup, while not defined by gallup is also a place where mcain can make some serious headway.

18% of the electorate in 04, Bush won by 16, 57-41.
I'm guessing that mccain can expand that margin to 65-35, or 30 pts.
04 net:3.5 million. potential 08 net, 6.5 million.

There are surely intersection of the religious and military, but they are probably more inclined to vote than the average joe.

The final outcome in 04, was roughly, 62-59 million.

just going on the voting by religion number-we are talking about a shift on 04 numbers to 67-54 million-55-45%.

all is far from lost.

[befair]

From where I sit in church on Sunday and from what I hear of attendance from my friends at their houses of worship, the 18-40 crowd isn't exactly filling the pews to overflowing. And I think this group is very pro-Obama. I also think that the older population (70, 80, etc.) will not vote enmass for McCain. They are only too well aware of the ravages of age on the mind and body and the unexpected health consequences. If races enters into it, it is with this group of older people - 60 to whatever.

[eric]

What happened to "Thugs for Change"? I wanted to take a gander.

[syn]

Consider the media world, audiences pay attention to news on Monday more than they do on Friday;this is why media releases corrupt stories on Dems Friday afternoon and Repubs bright and early Monday morning.

We'll see, could be Obama really is the One We've Been Waitng For.

[Dan S.]

Ok, so for those who can't find the "Thugs For Change" post you have to scroll down. Or see the URL below:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2008/10/thugs-for-change.html

[Lala]

Wife of the late Johnny Ramone of "the Ramones" to campaign for McCain - maybe they'll play "Beat on the Brat"

ATURDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2008 AT 10:54 AM

"Punk Rock Republicans"
POSTED BY MEGHAN

I am often asked what my favorite band of all time is, and for me it is an incredibly difficult decision - almost impossible. However, if I had to pick a band, it would probably be The Ramones. I have been a fan since around sixth grade when I first heard the song "I Want To Be Sedated" on the radio and was immediately hooked (I even had my first kiss while "Beat on the Brat" was playing in the background). The power, impact and influence of possibly the greatest band of all time and the inventors of punk rock is absolutely endless and infinitely spanning.

It is my great honor to announce that Linda Ramone, the wife of the late legend Johnny Ramone will be joining me to campaign for my father in Nevada on Monday and Tuesday. I couldn't be more excited and humbled if Elvis himself came out on the road with me. Looking forward to sharing with you what its like to campaign with a legend

[mary]

I don't think it would matter at all. The followers are in a trance.

[LH]

The Obama I know is a stony-faced liar who has honed his skill at getting what he wants - so long as people are willing to give it to him. NRA

So is Obama a "street thug out of Chicago" or isn't he?
Yes, he is.

[mary]

Since we are talkin bout music, I always associate that Jim Croce song "Bad, bad Leroy Brown" with Chicago.

[mary]

Oh okay, that makes sense, look at the lyrics, that's why I have the association:

"Well the south side of chicago
Is the baddest part of town
And if you go down there
You better just beware
Of a man named leroy brown"

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/j/jim+croce/bad+bad+leroy+brown_20071475.html

[mary]

"In a 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order, the Hon. R. Barclay Surrick concludes that ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

Surrick defers to Congress, saying that the legislature could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79086

I bring this up, not because I don't think the guy's birth certificate is fine but because I am now wondering who or what entity is responsible for certifying whether or not a candidate is allowed to run for president. Within this suit the body that overseas campaign spending bowed of the suit on the grounds that they are not responsible for this. So, who is? Who makes sure a presidential candidate is eligible for office? Bet Arnold wants to know this too.

[mary]

Remember kiddies that BO was a professor of "CONSTITUTIONAL LAW".

[mj]

Mark, you keep talking about the popular vote but I don't see anything about the Electoral College.

Where do most of the church going voters live? Are they all evenly spread out over the country or gathered in specific geographical areas (The South, Utah, etc)?

Keep living in la-la land Mark because after Nov. 4th reality is going to set in.

[mary]

"Plaintiff would have us derail the democratic process by invalidating a candidate for whom millions of people voted," Surrick states, "and who underwent excessive vetting during what was one of the most hotly contested presidential primary [sic] in living memory."

Instead, Surrick cites Aritcle III of the U.S. Constitution, limiting federal judicial power to handling cases and controversies in which plaintiffs have clear standing through specific, personal injury.

Berg, the judge ruled, simply didn't have a case for a particular injury and thus, had no standing to sue."

So, Possibly the only person with "standing" according to his ruling is Hillary.

[mary]

I wonder, though, if one could challenge this argument with the fact that, if he were not a valid presidential candidate according to the Constitution then the millions of people who voted for BO would have done so using false information.

[Lala]

Mary,
Think I read that Diane Feinstein was supposed to vet Obama

[mary]

oh really? Okay I will now look for that. I appreciate the tip. Cause I was discussing this with my neighbor and he said that McCain was certified by the entire congress. He was running to pick someone up so he didn't quite explain what he meant.

I have learned one thing though, never again will I tell anyone that I am undecided. It seems like I told one person and everyone knows and everyone wants me to understand their reasons for voting the way they are. So, I don't want to be rude and end up yesterday and today, listening a lot and nodding my head.

[Lala]

"Certified by the entire Congress" sounds odd.

I did a quick search on Obama being "vetted" and really didn't find anything.

In other news, Berg is going to the Supreme Court re the birth cert.

[mark l.]

"Mark, you keep talking about the popular vote..."
demographic units*turnout= result(+acorn voters).

it should be reflected in the polls.

The inherent assumption about the polls is that they are an accurate guage of outcome, in ALL cases. There is a complex system of weighting who will turn out and by what margins. This election is unique, in that the candidate for office is now african american.

No poll has ever tested such a scenario on such a grand scale. There is a significant amount of variables that will change the outcome and it presents great difficulty.

Gallup the most respected polling firm is actually doing two seperate polls, suggesting they do not have enough faith in either one to exceed the other. It is a rather public admission that they don't know what they are gauging.

previous polling methods have worked, but this is a completely different scenario.

I think democrats did a good job of telling americans, they don't want another republican in office, and by default they get support. Voting requires somebody to actual consider the candidates. Given the uniqueness of the situation, is it possible that people will change their mind?

They have to have a reason they are voting for obama...

the people you are asking to find a reason to vote obama, after having voted for bush in 04.
I really doubt you will be getting very many 'obama republicans', and I'll bet if they voted bush, it wasn't out of love, but as a lesser of two evils. I have a feeling that they will find mccain the lesser of two new evils.

[mark l.]

There was knee jerk upon the palin nomination, and Mccain had a great week. had McCain stayed flat, or had a modest gain, ehhh, but he fought off obama's convention bounce. Why?

You know what they say about first impressions...

The economic crisis pushed obama out in front, but if it is not bearing down on the voter, and their mind wanders back to their first impression, when they go in the voting booth. They don't have a tv set with them, and they might actually prove a fickle lot.

things change.

[mark l.]

let me put the 'two gallup poll' system in context.

Think of a poll as the rectal temperature of america.

The company that usually porvides one means of mesuring it, suddenly give you two devices. The two readings are different. They guess one is accurate, ro suggest that you could take an average, but the bottom line is, they don't trust their own instrument. How sure are they? It's not like they have a third one going...

[Captain Joe]

Unless you got pics of him porking her, you ain't got shit.

[mary]

http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212179008.shtml

the original story and a pic are here. The girl in the pic looks remarkably like MO. Wondering if the BO campaign was getting a little bored with their landslide victory so they decided to jazz things up a bit and create a nice interesting diversion for themselves. Figuring most people could care less and that MO isn't the kind of woman you wold feel sorry for as I've seen her referred to as the "ice princess". Maybe this is his way of trying to get white male voters.

This is definitely not a republican thing. Dan was right with his post.

[mark l.]

intriguing that the story was broken by the daily mail.

there is irony of mccain getting bailed out by foreign conservative news, in the face of obama receiving an influx of foreign cash.

[mark l.]

"From where I sit in church on Sunday and from what I hear of attendance from my friends at their houses of worship, the 18-40 crowd isn't exactly filling the pews to overflowing."

18-29 age range 2004-
17% of electorate. 54-45 kerry.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_Presidential_Election

They provided a margin of 1.85 million for kerry.

let's make them 25% of the electorate(an increase of almost 50%), and give obama a 65-35 margin...
it still only makes 9.85 million gain, which won't keep pace with the gallup numbers based on church attendance as previously offered of the increase for mccain exceeding 10 million. (see above)

a modest shift in a much larger group is more significant than the radical shift and increase in turnout provided.

increasing a demographic by 30% would be exceptional and current gallup has the difference at 62-34(18-29), running those number would give obama a net margin of 7.5 million, or 5.64 million vote increase over kerry's advantage. Nowhere close to offsetting a heavier group of churchgoers which without any increase in turnout, but holding current gallup preferences, would produce a net 10 million votes beyond 04 numbers.

[tally]

Here's some real nonsense - Denver just opened up a early polling site on sunday for the Obama rally being held across the street. Notice the "NEW" in red letters.

http://www.denvergov.org/ForVoters/VoteEarly/tabid/430456/Default.aspx

[Valerie]

Frankly, I couldn't care less about stories like this. Politicians are charming people, and only the most highly resistant ones manage to remain untaintable by scandal, whether they are guilty or not.

This matters to me. The Washington Post this morning is doing its best to spike the story about the Obama Campaign Contribution Fraud.

The Obama Campaign claimed early on that we would be able to tell what kind of administration we would have by the kind of campaign Obama ran. So, we have had allegations of fraud, from Obama's birth certificate at the Fight the Smears website, to massive funding of ACORN, and massive voter registration fraud by ACORN, and denial that the Obama Campaign is funding ACORN (from Joe Biden), lots of allegations of fraud in the caucuses to the point that the PUMAs were formed, and now credible accusations that the Obama Campaign disabled the ordinary fraud safeguards for campaign contributions. Obama hasn't come clean about all that money from the Annenberg Challenge that got spent on his radical buddies instead of childhood education, and his campaign and its fellow travelers have engaged in a massive smear effort against an ordinary citizen that dared, upon invitation, to ask him a question. These things matter.

If some swooning woman managed to raise a few eyebrows, I really don't care.

[nick]

low intelligence?

you are such a riot -

low intelligence gets nobel prizes!

[Notorious P.A.T.]

What?!?!? You don't like people spreading disgusting rumors about Obama--yet just a couple of days ago you were joking (I hope) that you figured Obama was going to murder his grandmother? You need help.

[Mr. Wolf]

The information that was let out on Vera Baker via HillBuzz and hillaryclintonforum.net was by the same person(s) that were initially investigating the entire incident, as it were.

Only about 3 people know all the info, or the background info, that those two sorces 'let out'. That leads us to conclude it was indeed insider info from the PUMAs or Clinton supporters. Fine by me. But what really chafes is the fact that with all of the info, including who, what, where and when, the MSM's that wanted to 'work' the info, they won't come out with it- and by our calculations, for the reasons stated in the podcast.

We have been withheld from releasing previously due to gentleman's agreements with said outlets, as not to pre-empt them and allow their investigations to go forward unhindered. We set a deadline for publication- they didn't meet that deadline, so we are going forward.

Wolf

[BobinStamford's Mama]

Please excuse my brain-damaged son and his 'ooh-rah' rants. He hasn't been the same since his lobotomy. He went on Match.com, and they hooked him up with a sofa and a bottle of hand lotion. That oughta keep him busy for awhile.

[BobinStamford's brother]

hey mom, why is the dog all greasy and walking funny?

[BobinStamford's Mama]

Your brother's after the dog now...well that'll keep 'em off yer sister.