Dumb, Dumb Move Obama

Video via Cuffy Meigs. The dude is cracking under the pressure. What a terrible judgment call.

Comments

[jaime]

Zzzzz.

I can smell your flop sweat.

[Lala]

I'm reading that a large group of people are buying plungers to attach to the top of their cars.

[jaime]

In other, more interesting news:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081016/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_lobbyist;_ylt=AmG4Nsa1MqR973NZE1zz_yGyFz4D

Vicky Isenman comes back out of obscurity, unprompted, just to remind everyone that she did not have sexual relations with that geezer.

[Fed Up]

It's time for some smart entrepeneur to print up a bunch of "I AM Joe the Plumber" T-shirts, hats, bags, lunchboxes, ... you name it, put them up for sale on the internet and commit to donating a sizeable portion of the profits to Joe and his family. Just imagine the smoke blowing out of the Obamabots ears whenever they turn around on the streets of America only to be confronted with the symbol of The Stuttering Stooge's epic failure.

[Scrapiron]

Maybe it'll work like Dingy Harry Reid's slander of Limbaugh. Limbaugh made a fool of dingy and charity got millions of dollars. Joe the Plumer deserved millions of dollars for bringing the Marxist POS into the light.

[jaime]

Joe the Plumber, is a sideshow.

Why? Because Joe the Plumber would probably get a tax cut under the Obama tax plan, depending on how he structures his business.

You may now continue to live in your altenate reality where every poll is today's Gallup poll(circa 2004 stats) and Crashy McGee isn't getting his ass handed to him.

[syn]

It appears Obama forget the Democratic Party is suppose to be the party of the working class; I take it Democrat voters understand that taking prosperity from their very own personal pockets is the Change Obama is promising give them?

[Lala]

Fed Up,
Get busy, go to Cafe Press and start designing.

[Lala]

You could do a t-shirt with his face on it and under his face "Just Flush" or "Don't forget to flush"

[jaime]

"You could do a t-shirt with his face on it"

But then you'd have to throw out the thousands of unused and unwanted William Ayers T-shirts.

[Lala]

Instapundit -

The harassment of Joe the plumber is the singular biggest mistake of the Obama campaign. The MSM is making Joe a martyr. Heck, DKos just published Joe's home address. Obama is now not only a Marxist but a Marxist bully - just another Chicago thug. America roots for the underdog and they will not take this action kindly. If Joe were a hero yesterday, wait a few days.

Obi Wan's line in Star Wars when fighting Darth Vader comes to mind - "Strike me down and I will return more powerful than you can possibly imagine." Americans will realize what happened to Joe could easily happen to them. And they will remember this come November.

Well, we'll know soon enough. And reader Donald Gately emails: "Joe the Plumber is the new Linda Tripp, apparently. What I find really fascinating is the fact that the media elites are treating Joe the Plumber as if he is the one who is out of step with mainstream America, while Bill Ayers is an 'Eagle Scout' (as per Tom Frank)." I'd missed the Tom Frank bit, but I take the point.

[jharp]

Joe did not tell the truth.

And the video is another hopeless attack on Senator Obama.

Obama is cutting Joe's taxes fer christsakes.

How hard is that to understand?

[jharp]

even using the broad definition of small business that McCain likes, very few owners would see their own taxes rise.

That's because the lion's share of taxable income comes from a small number of wealthy businesses. Out of 34.7 million filers with business income on Schedules C, E or F, 479,000 filers fall into the top two brackets, according to an analysis of projected 2009 filings by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.

The other 34.3 million - or 98.6% - would be unaffected by Obama's proposed rate hike.

That includes Joe "The Plumber" Wurzelbacher, whom McCain invoked nearly two dozen times at the debate Wednesday night to illustrate the plight of the average worker and small business owner.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/10/15/smallbusiness/small_biz_taxes_factcheck.smb/index.htm

[Bilby]

Joe isn't really the issue. It's that Obama slipped up and let the mask come off when he said he intends to "spread the wealth."

Joe the Plumber could have really been John McCain wearing a mask - it doesn't matter - nobody made Obama use that phrase.

These attacks on the guy who asked the question are a combination of trying to change the subject and also blind rage and striking out at him.

[BobinStamford]

I have a story for you patriots. One day last week, upon my return from work, Mrs Bob announced that one of the sinks in the master bath was leaking. I proceeded to get my toolkit and fix said sink. I forgot to put the putty the first time so it took longer than it should have - but whatever.

Yes, patriots, I am as much of a plumber as Joe the Plumber. We're both just guys who love the trooops and own wrenches. We're not licensed. We don't make $250K as plumber-types.

End of story.

Country First!

[jharp]

Instapundit -

"The harassment of Joe the plumber is the singular biggest mistake of the Obama campaign. The MSM is making Joe a martyr. Heck, DKos just published Joe's home address."

Oct. 16 (Bloomberg) -- ``Joe the plumber,'' the Toledo, Ohio, man whose complaints about Barack Obama's tax plan were featured in the final presidential debate, owes the state of Ohio almost $1,200 in back income taxes.

According to records on file with the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas, the state filed a tax lien against Samuel J. Wurzelbacher for $1,182.98 on Jan. 26, 2007, that is still active.

Joe the plumber's address is public record you jackass. People who don't pay their taxes get liens recorded against them at the county courthouse.

[mark l.]

"Joe the Plumber, is a sideshow."

absolutely...but the 'one' couldn't resit taking a bite of the apple.

it entertains a discussion about an average american, who also is a republican...

in going after the guy, the story sustains itself for at least 24 more hours. obama shouldn't have allowed to become part of the election by using his name in a debate, let alone bring him up again, but now that the msm, lefty blogs, and team obama have 'joe's scent', they are going after him.

why? the dems have built themselves as a shredding machine...they had done an excellent job on mccain, 'pulitzer' level work on palin and now they turn their sights on joe average.

If I were a concerned democrat, I would be guarding this guy...one psychotic obama supporter, given his address, and incited to anger would do more damage to obama than any other mistep that the media could cover for him.

let this one go, quickly.

[WileECoyote]

The smug, cocky, big-eared, tax and spend liberal is about to meet Joe Mainstreet. As Kramer would say.....gidddy--upppppppp.
Game on liberals. Keep attacking Joe Mainstreet. He will kick your ass.

[mary]

Bo is sometimes extremely disrespectful. Like, when he brought up Rudy's cross dressing skit on SNL. It wasn't necessary. But, since the camera didn't show Rudy for reaction, he might not have been there which makes me concerned for the man since he is generally a fixture at that dinner.

[jharp]

WileECoyote,

Do you suppose Joe was planning to pay his back taxes before or after he planned to buy the plumbing business.

And Obama is cutting Joe Mainstreet's taxes taxes you fool.

[Lala]

McCain at the Alfred E. Smith dinner

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZXX9Wfl5S0

[mary]

Maybe it is me but it is difficult to include BO in the class with Hillary, Chuck, Rudy, John, Joe, Mike, Rudy, Mitt, Mike H. These are people we have all seen earn their stripes. We've seen them all work hard. We've seen them really accomplish some amazing things and some things maybe we wish they hadn't been around for like votes against reigning Fannie and Freddie. But, I guess what bother me in the end is that BO hasn't earned his stripes yet. Hasn't proven to me that he gets it. I keep going to the senate page with his votes, trying to figure out what exactly he has been doing, what things are close to his heart, what he really is feeling thinking and believing and I keep coming away bereft. It makes me concerned.

[mary]

"WileECoyote,

Do you suppose Joe was planning to pay his back taxes before or after he planned to buy the plumbing business.

And Obama is cutting Joe Mainstreet's taxes taxes you fool."

If he was able to get a loan for the business then the lien holder would be satisfied at the time of the closing.

[jharp]

If he was able to get a loan for the business then the lien holder would be satisfied at the time of the closing.

Posted by: mary | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:32 PM

The lien is on his home. Your response is ridiculous.

[WileECoyote]

Harpo marxist: It was a frickin thousand bucks! Tax liens are filed for many different reasons. Sometimes in error! Oh but wait, you believe the government makes no mistakes when it comes to taking peoples money for taxes. I will have you know that Im mad as hell as I had to write a friggin check for nearly 20 grand yesterday for the balance of my 07 taxes and this was in addition to the 50 grand I had already paid in ES payments. I am a small businessman who knows what the tax and spend bunch will do. Im paying more than my share now and hell no Im not supporting that big eared lying liberal, so he can further redistribute my hard earned income. Its my earnings not his.....

[mark l.]

why the obsession with one voter?

if you want to beat him up in the blogs, you elevate him.

this media stuff is over the top.

if there are undecideds, they aren't going to be swayed by a 'fraud'. If they see the msm go after him, it would be another story. getting the remaining voters is a question of who can jingle their shiny keys louder than the other-joe is a dead end for the dems-he brings no new votes and helps mcain keep his single connection to the genral public.

please...any chance you could find joe's ex wife so we could hear about his meth habit? america needs to see pointless crucifixions, as a warm up to dems in all three branches of govt.

[WileECoyote]

harpo you are the idiot. Let me speak slowly for you. If Joe the Plumber got a loan to buy the business, he could borrow an extra thousand bucks and pay the friggin tax lien filed on his real estate(tax liens are filed in the property registars office and are liens against all real property owned by the debtor at the time in that particular county).
Are we clear harpy?

[jharp]

"Harpo marxist: It was a frickin thousand bucks!"

Good one. I'll use that next time I owe only $1,000. A quick question. How much does it have to be to require payment?

"I will have you know that Im mad as hell as I had to write a friggin check for nearly 20 grand yesterday for the balance of my 07 taxes and this was in addition to the 50 grand I had already paid in ES payments."

Sounds like you had a pretty decent year. Good for you.

A suggestion. Pay on time. If you are paying 07 taxes on Oct 15 you obviously are paying a penalty and interest.

___________________________________________________________________________

A Lien

The state of Ohio places a lien on real property after several steps to try to collect a tax debt, according to John Kohlstrand, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Taxation who said he couldn't discuss any specific case.

If a delinquency notice goes unheeded, the Department of Taxation issues a billing notice, Kohlstrand said. If that is ignored, a more formal assessment notice is sent. Failing to appeal an assessment or losing an appeal puts the debt into the hands of the state attorney general for collection. The attorney general typically sends a collection notice and simultaneously files a lien.

``The taxpayers may not necessarily know about the lien,'' Kohlstrand said, although they would receive other notices.

In Wurzelbacher's case, the lien indicated that the notice was sent to a previous address in Toledo.

Under Obama's proposal, Wurzelbacher would face about $900 more in taxes if he netted $280,000 of income from his new business, said Gerald Prante, a senior economist at the Tax Foundation, a Washington research group that is examining both candidates' plans.

[jharp]

harpo you are the idiot. Let me speak slowly for you. If Joe the Plumber got a loan to buy the business, he could borrow an extra thousand bucks and pay the friggin tax lien filed on his real estate(tax liens are filed in the property registars office and are liens against all real property owned by the debtor at the time in that particular county).
Are we clear harpy?

Posted by: WileECoyote | Thursday, October 16, 2008 at 10:56 PM

You are the idiot and obviously know nothing about business.

If Joe won the lottery he could pay the lien too. And how in the fuck do you know his home would be used as collateral to buy the business. Lot's of folks borrow money without mortgaging their homes.

The fact is that Joe's claim that he was planning to but a plumbing business was a gross exaggeration. The guy can't even pay his taxes.

Though maybe with Obama's lowering his taxes he might be able to in the future.

Joe is a textbook example of living poor and voting rich. Typical GOPer.

[mary]

Not really, most americans use their homes as collateral for business loans. He would roll the lien in the business loan to have the lien satisfied. I guess you don't know how to play todays economic game.

[mary]

At the Alfred E. Smith dinner and at last night's debate it seems that the BO campaign carefully listened to everything said on O'Reilly and employed it and McCain did not.

Wonder what is going on?

[mary]

What kind of charisma does this guy have. The people in the press, including Bill O'Reilly, seem to fall prey to his "fatal charm". Have been thinking that O'Reilly is in the tank for O and after tonight I'm thinking my gut feeling is right.

[jharp]

"Not really, most americans use their homes as collateral for business loans. He would roll the lien in the business loan to have the lien satisfied."

Most? Maybe. A lot don't. Myself being one of them. And deadbeats who don't pay their taxes are unlikely to get a loan.

Would you loan money to a deadbeat who couldn't even pay his income taxes?

"I guess you don't know how to play todays economic game."

I have been in business for myself for 25 years. Never have had a tax lien nor did I ever mortgage my home for a business loan.

And have done pretty well.

[BobinStamford]

mary has advanced financial-like degrees. she is a brave independent voice in the sea of partisanship. her cats and plants are very impressed.

[The Big Freakin' Owl from the Bohemian Grove]

" The people in the press, including Bill O'Reilly, seem to fall prey to his "fatal charm". Have been thinking that O'Reilly is in the tank for O and after tonight I'm thinking my gut feeling is right."

As has been declared from my great feathery nest in the groves of Bohemia (California)...

Obama will be your president. It is as certain as the rising of the sun, or the pooping of my many feathered servants upon your parked Porsches.

You may rise up on the morning of November 4th, knowing with absolute certainty that Obama shall be the lord of this land that selfsame day.

It... is.. INEVITABLE.

The Sun of Africa shall surely dawn upon this wretched land.

Know thy god, and prepare to kiss your worthless lives goodbye.

[jharp]

Just watched the clip again and "Joe the plumber" clearly said he is buying this plumbing business that makes 250,000 or more a year.

Another GOP fraud.

[mary]

"mary has advanced financial-like degrees. she is a brave independent voice in the sea of partisanship. her cats and plants are very impressed."

gee, at least I thought you respected me and now to find out not even respect.

jharpo, what I have learned is that there are some people who play by the rules, i myself being one of them, but, there are many more people that don't and, in fact, use the self same rules and laws that we adhere to for their own gain and advantage.

When main street started emulating Wall Street, it added to the crisis we have on our doorstep today.

[ET]

--And have done pretty well.

jharp, you haven't done THAT well if you've been in business for yourself for 25 years and still make less than $250k per year. Sounds like failure to me. Or laziness. Maybe you should log off and get to work, slacker.

Losers like you don't deserve to have the wealth I've earned on my own redistributed to you to support your internet habit. Kiss my ass, then get a job.

[JoeThePlumbersLawyer]

Harp:

A business's income can mean several different things. Is that 250K gross, adjusted gross, net, taxable,.....

Your posts reveal your bias and ignorance

[mark l.]

defender's of the new 250k tax bracket...

can you explain why Joe, who may someday reach his promised land of 250k, is going to be paying the same rate of taxes as George Clooney or Paris Hilton?

is it really a progressive system that stops raising taxrates at 250k?

40% is the rate of federal taxes on multi-million dollar lottery payouts...

you would tax income on person who had worked to get where they are at the same rate you would a guy who plunks a dollar down on powerball?

one other small point that you might also be able to explain...

the time period 2003-2007, afer bush tax cuts.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2009/pdf/hist.pdf

p.26-
federal tax revenue 2003-1.783 trillion
federal tax revenue 2007-2.568 trillion.

http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=us&v=65
us gdp 2003-10.4 trillion.
us gdp 2007-13.2 trillion.

can you explain how, in the face of a tax cut, that govt revenue grew by 44%, while our gdp over the same time period grew by only 27%?

i hate millionaires, actors, actresses, fannie mae execs...etc...but increasing tax will diminish gdp, period.

[jharp]

jharp, you haven't done THAT well if you've been in business for yourself for 25 years and still make less than $250k per year. Sounds like failure to me. Or laziness. Maybe you should log off and get to work, slacker.

Losers like you don't deserve to have the wealth I've earned on my own redistributed to you to support your internet habit. Kiss my ass, then get a job.

Posted by: ET | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:03 AM

ET,

It's been awhile and I have one question.

How in the fuck do you have any idea how much money I make?

You are a stupid fuck to assert you have any such knowledge.

[jharp]

Harp:

A business's income can mean several different things. Is that 250K gross, adjusted gross, net, taxable,.....

Your posts reveal your bias and ignorance

Posted by: JoeThePlumbersLawyer | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:04 AM

What in the hell are you talking about?

[SacTownMan]

Harpo's back!!

Like a bad dream. Like Freddy Krueger, a little more pissed off each time!

Tired of getting your daily bitch slapping over at Pattericos?

Countdown to the "Liar", "Asshole", "Dumb Ass" or the ever favorite FU line in 5...4...3...2...1...!!!!!

Joe the Plumber has you trolls pissing yourselves even more than normal!

The MSM has covered more about this poor guy in the last 24 hours than Xerxes and his relationships to Ayers, Rezco and Acorn in the past 18 months. In less than one day you can find his address, home phone, tax records, union affiliation, how much he made, blah,blah,blah!!

Our troll buddies and their pals in the MSM have made it their latest quest to destroy this guy after the past month spent trashing Palin and her family!

Attacking Palin wasn't low enough for these losers now it's "Joe's" turn. All for having the nerve of questioning the god king!

Just Words!! Joe I just wanna "spread the wealth" a little to the 40% of Americans who pay "NO TAXES". How much is enough for Xerxes?

A trillion dollars in new spending! You all remember welfare don't you?

[ET]

oooh. Looks like I hit a nerve. I know how much money you make by the BS you spout on this site. No successful businessman actually supports obama's economic policies because they are inherently defective and damaging. Only losers like you that crave my hard earned money would support this fool.

--You are a stupid fuck to assert you have any such knowledge.

You are a vile, frustrated and angry man. I am sorry life has treated you so badly, but you still don't deserve my money. Get off your lazy ass and earn some on your own.

And fuck you too.

[mark l.]

harp-

have a look-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121124460502305693.html

title?
You Can't Soak the Rich

the theory, which is actually correct?
"No matter what the tax rates have been, in postwar America tax revenues have remained at about 19.5% of GDP."

the graph is a stunner...

one of the conclusions?
"The data show that the tax yield has been independent of marginal tax rates over this period, but tax revenue is directly proportional to GDP. So if we want to increase tax revenue, we need to increase GDP."

"What happens if we instead raise tax rates? Economists of all persuasions accept that a tax rate hike will reduce GDP, in which case Hauser's Law says it will also lower tax revenue. That's a highly inconvenient truth for redistributive tax policy, and it flies in the face of deeply felt beliefs about social justice."

[jharp]

"Joe the Plumber has you trolls pissing yourselves even more than normal!"

Yeah, just as the Palin nomination had us pissing ourselves. How'd that turn out?

"Tired of getting your daily bitch slapping over at Pattericos?"

No, I got banned for pointing out the stupidity of a post asserting that the stock market was tanking due to Obama leading in the polls. On the day the market gained 900 points I suggested it was because it was now certain Obama was going to win.

[jharp]

harp-

have a look-

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121124460502305693.html

Posted by: mark l. | Friday, October 17, 2008 at 12:45 AM

Why, oh why would you post a link to an oped page page of a right wing hack piece posted by the WSJ?

Do you even know the difference between opinion and a real news story?

Good God. The stupidity is boundless.

[jharp]

"oooh. Looks like I hit a nerve."

Not really. I'm happy when a wingnut's stupidity is laid out for all to see. Thank you.

"I know how much money you make by the BS you spout on this site."

No you don't. You have absolutely no idea.

"No successful businessman actually supports obama's economic policies because they are inherently defective and damaging."

"Only losers like you that crave my hard earned money would support this fool."

So I guess you count Warren Buffett as a failure as a businessman?

"I am sorry life has treated you so badly"

Life has treated me well. I work when I want. Play golf when I want and am doing just fine.

"but you still don't deserve my money."

And I don't want any of your money. I'm just trying to not pass the GOP debts onto my children.

So tell me then you lying jackass. How much do I make?

[Obama's Suppository]

"--- Just Words!! Joe I just wanna "spread the wealth" a little to the 40% of Americans who pay "NO TAXES". How much is enough for Xerxes? ---"

Just enough to buy my vote for the Democrats for the rest of my money-grubbin' non-working section 8 self.

Some call it "patronage", others call it a "square deal", and I call it your money... in my pocket, so I can buy me a new Escalade with gold spinner rims.

Suckers.

[SacTownMan]

"DRJ,

Please do not approve any more comments from jharp. He has earned a permanent ban.

Comment by Patterico — 10/13/2008 @ 5:49 pm"

Wow! The greatest honor a troll can achieve!

I read many of your posts over there and you brought it on yourself. Many of your comments were just pure hate and wrong bro!

I have tried to be fair interacting with you over time and while I love to joke and mess with you and the other "moonbats" I really would hope you learn something from the ban.

It's your choice but you need to lose the hate and cyberbully shit over here!

It's up to you but I think there are some folks here who would show you respect if you would just do the same!

Oh yea, welcome back asshat!

Anyway to convince you to go back into your RWV "retirement"? Maybe you could take the Sock Puppet too!