Obama's Secret Service Codename Revealed

This will be about the third time I've pointed out that whenever Obama senses he is under pressure he resorts to playing the race card. It's fair to speculate if the Secret Service hasn't assigned him the codename of Viktum by now. If Obama can't forget that he's black, putting race out of the race, he's going to lose much bigger than anyone might think. He's still steeped in the politics of Chicago's Southward. I imagine more and more Democrats are coming to regret their selection everyday. Now I'm hearing on the radio that Hillary refuses to attack Palin too aggressively? How special is that! ha!

“I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told executives and employees of the Schott glass company Friday afternoon, “and I just want to be honest with you. I know that.”

“And I know that the temptation is to say, ‘You know what? …The guy hasn’t been there that long in Washington.,’ You know, ‘he’s got funny name,’ You know, ‘we’re not sure about him,’” Obama continued. “And that’s what the Republicans, when they say, ‘This isn’t about issues, it’s about personalities,’ what they’re really saying is, ‘We’re going to try to scare people about Barack. So we’re going to say that you know, maybe he’s got Muslim connections or we’re going to say that, you know, he hangs out with radicals or he’s not patriotic.’

Comments

[templar knight]

Obama does have Muslim connections, he does hang out with radicals, and he is not patriotic. Well known facts about Barrack. He is also a terrorist supporter. It's a damn shame the Democrats put this guy at the top of their ticket.

[Anon]

I don't have a problem with his Muslim connections. I have much more of a problem with the fact that he hangs out with unrepentent terrorists and racists. I do believe he is patriotic and that it is unfair to call him unpatriotic. Obama is an intelligent, thoughtful person who has so far run a pretty classy campaign.

The Republicans can win, maybe, by painting him as an out of touch elitist, which he is, who is going to raise taxes on a lot more Americans than he admits, and who cares a lot more about people who don't work for a living than people who do, and who considers being successful a sign that you are selfish and greedy, unless you're a Democrat.

I also think McCain's people need to get the word out that the trooper at the heart of "trooopergate" has admitted tasering his own 10 year old stepson. Which means even if she did try to get him fired, she was right in doing so and most Americans will agree w/it.

[Lala]

I haven't followed the trooper story much but most police departments have a code of conduct and he should have been fired for "conduct unbecoming". I believe he also threatened his father-in-law. But isn't the story about Palin's firing of the trooper's boss? She also has entered an ethics violation against herself in order to speed up the inquiry, hasn't she?

[Mr DeBakey]

"whenever Obama senses he is under pressure he resorts to playing the race card."

I wonder why he keeps doing that?

"Georgia Republican Rep. Lynn Westmoreland used the racially-tinged term "uppity" to describe Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama Thursday."

[Lala]

It's not the Muslim connection that concerns me, it's the socialist plans he has -

http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=305420655186700

Michelle's Boot Camps For Radicals

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY | Posted Thursday, September 04, 2008 4:20 PM PT

Election '08: Democrats' reintroduction of militant Michelle Obama in Denver was supposed to show her softer side. But it only highlighted a radical part of her resume: Public Allies.

read more at the link

[Anon]

I still think if the Republicans get it out about the 10 year old getting tasered by this guy that it will go a long, long way to neutralize any negatives...although apparently an Alaskan republican has sent a letter saying the Democrat in charge of the investigation has been acting inappropriately by giving biased interviews to the media.

Agree, that Obama's socialistic tendencies are the real problem. He's already the most liberal Senator on record and my guess is, he's even more liberal than his record indicates.

That's why I don't think running on 9/11 is the right strategy, certainly McCain has better credentials on foreign policy, security, etc. but people are worried about the economy.

If the R's let Obama take that over with his bs on 'working families' and convinces Americans he's going to help them instead of tax them, then he will win.

[tally]

the guy got caught drinking in his squad car several times to.

[seekeronos]

"--- I do believe he is patriotic and that it is unfair to call him unpatriotic. ---"

The Zero who refused to render the proper custom and courtesy of placing his hand over his heart during the playing of the national anthem, or refused to wear (that is, until he was called on it) a flag lapel pin, or who repeatedly criticized and pointed out America's shortcomings to foreign audiences?

Granted, we do have our problems, but it is very typical of the Party of Misery and Defeatism to bash America and her people.

Add in his unrepentant support for domestic terrorists along with his eggheaded socialist elitism, and you have a man who will bring much grief to Americans, much distress to our nation, and a certain final crushing obliteration of our hopes and dreams as a nation under the dreadful heels of socialist tyranny.

[PA]

“I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate,”

Indeed. Most come with more substance. Even McGovern had more substance than Obama.

[ireckun]

Lala "It's not the Muslim connection that concerns me, it's the socialist plans he has -"
All of them bother me. Putin and Russia's connections with Iran and Syria. The way I see
it, If zero wants to talk Iran with no preconditions and he recently had a member of his
team to Syria for a talk. I see a link to them all. I read the IBD editorial too and I
agree the socialist plans they have are scary as hell.

Definitely not your typical presidential candidate.

[david r]

Who is the OJ JURY voting for ?

[Ralph]

This is the passive aggressive guilt trip line that has worked for him his entire life. He thinks it will work to win the presidency. We'll see.

Another thing, saying Biden grew up in Scranton or is from Scranton is like saying Obama grew up in Indonesia or is from Indonesia.

[Spartan112]

Considering that the right wing nut jobs at fox and on the radio take every opportunity they have to call him "Barack Hussein Obama" I'd say his differences have already been injected into this race. What's McCain's middle name again?

[Spartan112]

"Another thing, saying Biden grew up in Scranton or is from Scranton is like saying Obama grew up in Indonesia or is from Indonesia."

Or like saying "W" is from Texas or grew up in Texas...or saying his father is from Texas, or Maine or the half dozen other states he claimed.

[PA]

"I'd say his differences have already been injected into this race."

Using "president's" middle names isn't exactly uncommon.

William Jefferson Clinton
Lyndon Baines Johnson
John Fitzgerald Kennedy
Richard Milhous Nixon

That he's scrubbed all reference to his middle name from his campaign site is rather revealing.

[Terry Gain]

“I know that I’m not your typical presidential candidate,” Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., told executives and employees of the Schott glass company Friday afternoon, “and I just want to be honest with you. I know that.”

Yes indeed, I know that too. In the history of the United States, has there ever been a presidential candidate who wanted to throw a war with victory plainly in sight?

Over to you, boob.

[Terry Gain]

Considering that the right wing nut jobs at fox and on the radio take every opportunity they have to call him "Barack Hussein Obama" I'd say his differences have already been injected into this race. What's McCain's middle name again?

Posted by: Spartan112 | Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 07:10 AM

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"Right wing nut jobs"? To whom are you referring ? I listen to Fox all the time and I'm not aware of anyone referring to Obama as "Barak Hussein Obama". In fact, they are entirely too deferential to this unqualified, inexperienced candidate.

[Frank01]

"Right-Wing Fanatics need a Better Civic Education"

I challenge all those who wrote blogs earlier: you all sounded like cynical "republicans" who are just hoping to ressuscitate your hopes on a party that failed you in the past recent years the promised you good things; they failed also to hold the America's Economy in the last 8 years being in the office of presidency.

Not only you have all reasons to be cynical (given all the Bush-administration-gates that occured) because they have failed our judicial system and descredited it; you (your republican leadership) tramped on the the US constitution by violating most essentials within which say: "You will uphold and defend the constitution of the United States"

PATRIOTIC? wow, most republicans leaning bloggers need to go back to school!!! No wonder McCain is seen as patriotic when he promises to do NOTHING about educating Americans with affordable prograns (more of the same), nothing about healthcare for all(more the same Bush's health plans).

Sen. McCain is still is "patriotic" even when after Iraq is "safer" than many other countries were suicide blasts are part of their life (Europe, India, Pakistan), he won't thank our troops by allowing them to return home to their families. Even when Iraqis agreed with the Bus Administration we have to set a timetable in order to leave, McCain is ALONE as presidential he is to tell the Iraqi men how to "court their own wives" .

Scandals from Cheney to Gonzalez, to Abramoff, or Scooter Libby...seem very "patriotic" happenings compared to what Obama-Biden are calling for in their plans for changing America.

Attacking Obama, based on hearsays from insolicited emails and known-unfactual smears is a sign of more desperation on your behalf, guys... Palin's choice is a confetti-show that will evaporate in less than a week... won't even make it to November 4th. One of you is confused about smears of so-called connections to american terrorists...Now his plans are socialist.

VP nominee Palin surely makes it hard for Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to continue their gender-race-based bashing and empty-arguments against Hillary,Obama; a Biden's pick even makes them believe Palin is the best choice ever... Ooops, they can't even talk about the lack of experience argument they used against Obama. And my God, poor Sarah she even does not know community organizing is the "heart" of every political campaign, action or grassroots. She shot herself on the foot, and crippled McCain arms, when the Arizona senator can't be Maverick and deny the " from ground to top" movement that makes America a nation of the free.

Americans (including you guys) we need change in our mindset. Our parents (the baby boomers) failed to prepare us to kill this chip on our shoulders: "Arrogance" and "Intolerance".

Think about these 2 words... You will see W. Bush and Sydney McCain paintings on the wall. Biden and Obama have personalities and plans that do not reflect either of these shameful words. If we say that it takes to be "arrogant" and "intolerant" public servant to be seen as a "patriotic" one than I don't need your vote, nor your endorsement. Because what? Bush was not served because some Americans who are fanatics did not help him with sound feedback in that subject of patriotism. If it takes America to have enemies all around the world and still see herself as "patriotic", than there is something wrong with our mindset!

I hope there isn't.
OBAMA-BIDEN 08'

[anon]

Attacking Obama, based on hearsays from insolicited emails and known-unfactual smears is a sign of more desperation on your behalf, guys... Palin's choice is a confetti-show that will evaporate in less than a week... won't even make it to November 4th. One of you is confused about smears of so-called connections to american terrorists...Now his plans are socialist.

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Pot, meet kettle.

The connections between Obama and an unrepentant terrorist are not "so called" they are irrefutable facts.

The left complaining about online smears from the right, especially about Obama being a closet muslim might have held some traction 2 weeks ago, but after Daily Kos, Michael Moore and the NYTimes drove the bandwagon to smear Sarah Palin over any number of false stories, irrelevant stories, personal attacks, the left has ceded the high ground here. Now, you might say, well the right has been doing it for years, and you would be right. But, the argument that when your opponet gets down in the gutter you have no alternative but to get down in the gutter too, is lame. Its the same lame excuse Bush used for legalizing torture.

Thanks to the liberals now any teenage child of any politician anywhere in the country is now "fair game" for front page media coverage. How sad.

And no matter how much it goads the liberals, Palin is resonating with the public. Look at the polling data. She's running about 20% behind Biden as far as qualified but for crying out loud, she's been in the spotlight for A WEEK, he's been on the national stage for over 20 years.

The Democrats just keep on making mistakes. They thought her daughter's situation would tank her. Wrong. Now they think calling her inexperienced will tank her. Wrong again. Common sense will tell you that the governor of the largest state in the country, chock full of strategic resources cannot possibly be unquailified to be VP, when there is a man running for president who has NO executive experience at all, no major laws passed [she was correct in this] that he spearheaded and who has flip flopped enough times himself to have paved the bridge to nowhere.

Attacking Sarah Palin is going to drive voters to the McCain ticket because she is being attacked for all the wrong things, including troopergate. This will backfire. It is already backfiring because now Alaskan Republicans have jumped on the bandwagon and I will virtually guarantee you the BEST the Dems can hope for his that the report will say there was 'an appearance of impropriety'..that's it. There is no way to prove she fired the guy because he wouldn't fire her dirtbag ex BOL, if there was, it would already be out.

Attack her on her stance on the issues which is out of step with even mainstream conservatives. Attack her for thinking its okay to shoot wolves from helicopters, for thinking its okay to make rape victims carry their babies to term.

Rush is now firmly in the tank for McCain, and this is ALL due to the stupidness of the liberals attacking her for all the wrong reasons.

[joeb]

I wuv Sarah! McCain/Palin is drawing big big crowds now everywhere they go. McCain's crowds are much much bigger now than ever before. Sarah was the perfect choice.
We have it pretty good right now. I don't see anything wrong with more of the same. The war in Iraq is going well. Gas prices are coming down. The dollar is doing better against the euro and the pound. We have much to be thankful for. Yes, I will take more of the same if you please. And mix in a big dose of Palin to shake the hell out of the Washington DC establishment and drive the Washington Post completely batsh*t. It is all over for the Dumbocrats. They have been aced by John and his superlative choice of a running mate. Experience? She is more experienced that Obama.

[Fred Beloit]

Agent 112 writes: "Considering that the right wing nut jobs at fox and on the radio take every opportunity they have to call him "Barack Hussein Obama"

To put it kindly, I believe this is an untruth. There are no "right wing nut jobs" at Fox News. I know the folks at Fox News do not "take every opportunity" to use Obie's middle name. Agent 123 thinks that Kos, NYT, Huff, et al, represent mainstream America. Naturally he would think of Brit Hume as a RWNJ, because Agent 112 is a LWNJ.

Now it is very hard to disagree with Agent 01, because he simply chants the LWNJ mantra of false charges. It is also a waste of time to argue with a Dem keyboard head. The clue to this mindset is the brainless, bumpersticker ending of his "comment".

[Spartan112]

"I listen to Fox all the time and I'm not aware of anyone referring to Obama as "Barak Hussein Obama""

"To put it kindly, I believe this is an untruth. There are no "right wing nut jobs" at Fox News. "

Sean Hannity doesn't qualify? He refers to him as Hussein all the time and he's a pretty good example of a right wing nut job.

[Fred Beloit]

The very thought of forming this young Leftist band of bada-s brothers in brown shirts offends and angers me as much as spending my tax money on so-called "public" television and radio, which are really only liberal propaganda agencies.

[insufficientlysensitive]

which rightwing nut jobs are you referring to spartan(roflmao at your moniker)that are on fox? is it mort kondrake? or how about geraldo? maybe it's greta, juan, alan, shep, beckel, birnbaum, henican, estrich, ferraro, gabler, liasson, mc dowell? I'm weary of the lies of your party and the lies of its' sycophants.

[befair]

This morning's paper brings news that there are insufficient funds in the highway funds. How much pork was there in the latest bill? The war in Iraq is causing all kinds of shortfall but we cannot just walk away. IMO McCain has been skipping along at GWB's side for the last eight years, and the country is in a mess. Now all of a sudden - wow, he can see clearly now what failed policies have put us where we are now? The Red Cross says they are into using reserves because they have no more funds for catastrophes. Where did all the money donated in the past go? Even when one gave in reponse to a disaster, the Red Cross as far as I know used the money for whatever else it might need and put some into reserves. Are their dedicated funds for anything anymore. I personally think the Salvation Army and the churches do one heck of a lot more than the Red Cross; I think the infrastructure in this country is failing and there is not enough money to reconstruct. I think that the failed policies of GWB have led to this mess - no question about it. NO, I am not linking the Red Cross with any political party. Just an observation of a poorly (imo) organized charity. But we can look at FEMA - no let's not, too depressing. What has McCain been doing for the past few years, let alone the last 26 years, to make this a better economy? GWB led us into a second war before finishing one of them - McCain has been going along with all of the war rhetoric. Too much a GWB supporter. Don't believe him that he has changed. End of rant.

BTW, hi Fred

[Fred Beloit]

Thanks for giving us a name, 112. We can now check the veracity of you statement as it applies to ONE person.

[Fred Beloit]

Hi, beefer. "The war in Iraq is causing all kinds of shortfall..."

You are so right about that. All kinds of terrorists and other armed enemies of ours are taking the short fall to the ground after our forces have killed them. Great eh?

[befair]

Possibly the next hurricane will wipe Fl off the map. Which state then will take over the hanging chads, no written machine records, inability to count the absentee ballots via machine (possibly).

Fred I don't really understand your remark about taking the short fall to the ground after our forces have killed them. I do think that our forces have been magnificent and I am not for a moment criticizing. I AM critical of the entry into Iraq BEFORE finishing up in Afghanistan.

[Fred Beloit]

BTW, beefer, what policies do you have in mind in this statement of yours?:
"...he[McCain] can see clearly now what failed policies have put us where we are now?

And would Obama put a stop to these catastrophies you mention? How?:
"The Red Cross says they are into using reserves because they have no more funds for catastrophes."

And, dear beefer, you have singled out McCain unfairly with this statement of yours, now haven't you:
"What has McCain been doing for the past few years, let alone the last 26 years, to make this a better economy? GWB led us into a second war before finishing one of them..."

What about Beiden, the Clintons, Obama, Dodd, Kennedy, and all the other old Senate wheezers serving in the last 26 or two years. What have they done?

[Fred Beloit]

We have fought and won against two powerful foes before, beefer. And, my good friend, beefer, we've already won the "war" in Iraq. We are now in the mopping up phase of the military actions. They cannot be accurately called a war.

[befair]

What about Beiden, the Clintons, Obama, Dodd, Kennedy, and all the other old Senate wheezers serving in the last 26 or two years. What have they done?

Posted by: Fred Beloit |

Nada, Fred, Nada

[befair]

We have fought and won against two powerful foes before, beefer. And, my good friend, beefer, we've already won the "war" in Iraq. We are now in the mopping up phase of the military actions. They cannot be accurately called a war.

Posted by: Fred Beloit | Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 11:19 AM

Oh, I get it, it was a housekeeping mission.

My father ran a field hospital in Normandy and from there up through the liberation of Paris and beyond. My uncle was a LtCol. and served in the pacific - both during WW2. A war we CLEARLY won.

[befair]

While I am on the subject of being critical of McCain and before I start picking Obama apart - I have nothing but admiration for him and sympathy and respect for his stature as a POW in VietNam. However, it is clearly history. I want to hear more about what he has done in the last 15 years.

[Fred Beloit]

Gee, beefer, what part of my statement don't you understand?
"Fred I don't really understand your remark about taking the short fall to the ground after our forces have killed them."

[Terry Gain]

My father ran a field hospital in Normandy and from there up through the liberation of Paris and beyond. My uncle was a LtCol. and served in the pacific - both during WW2. A war we CLEARLY won.

Posted by: befair | Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 11:24 AM

It's a good thing for us that your father and uncle weren't like you. Or we would've lost that war.

[Fred Beloit]

"A war we CLEARLY won."
Iraq is a war we clearly won too. beefer. We invaded another nation, deposed its government, captured its leader, whom his former subjects tried for crimes and hung, helped its citizens hold a democratic election and install its new government. What is unclear about it?

[anon]

The Iraq war is a non issue at this point. We have to draw down in an intelligent way. Obama knows this as much as John McCain and if he gets into the WH his supporters are going to get a big wake up call when he doesn't bring all the troops home in a year and half. Obama is not that stupid, but his supporters are. Obama will be more aggressive in getting Iraq ready to govern itself, but "end" the occupation is not realistic. In fact, Obama's supporters are going to be in for a number of rude awakenings if he becomes president.

[Fred Beloit]

You know, beefer, we have been over this old ground many, many times. It is, IF I may be so bold, getting rather tedious.

[befair]

It's a good thing for us that your father and uncle weren't like you. Or we would've lost that war.

Posted by: Terry Gain | Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 11:29 AM

Nasty post, Terry. I disagree that we clearly won in Iraq. But if that is in fact the case three years down the road and looking back, I will be the first person to admit it. BTW, did we clearly win Korea, how about Viet Nam, how about Afghanastan?

I am very proud of both my father and uncle and I do not compare myself one iota with them. I agree that I would not have had the courage to be on the beach at Normandy at 10AM on the Invasion day, nor would I have had the courage to fly all over the South Pacific. Thank God for people like them.

[insufficientlysensitive]

Befair would rather have left Saddam Hussein intact in iraq. Befair would be sleeping much better at night these days knowing that our armed forces were never exposed to the dangers of fighting in Iraq... Befair is obviously unaware of the 510 metric tons of yellowcake that Saddam Hussein had in his possession.

[befair]

Fred, I apologize if you are bored. Scroll on by. BUT, somebody please tell me just what McCain has accomplished in the last even 5 years. I refuse to shorten the time any more.

[befair]

Befair would have much rather finished Afghanistan before going into Iraq.

[Anon]

Again, I say, pot meet kettle.

What has Obama accomplished in his entire career?

What major pieces of legislation did he author when in the IL legislature? Not what legislation did he sign onto or vote, but what legislation did he originate and get passed?

Same for his career in the Senate? Other than I believe holding the record for 'present' votes, what major legislation has Obama authored and gotten passed?

He wrote a best seller. Okay. Stephen King has written a gazillion of them, maybe he should be running for president.

Democrats are so stupid I can't believe I ever identified with the party.

[insufficientlysensitive]

"A war we clearly won". Did we? Our soldiers have been stationed in Germany and Japan for 63 years since the supposed "end" of that war.

[befair]

Anon - I am not an Obama supporter. Going out to lunch and will be back sometime this weekend to start picking on Obama. I can, you see, because I cannot stand either candidate. I was once a Democrat - I was once a Republican - I have been unaffiliated for a long time because I dislike both parties and have not much respect for either one of them. And no, I am not a Ralph Nadar advocate either. Actually I liked for awhile that Texan who got cold feet and did not run - dayum, senior moment.

[anon]

Do what I'm doing, vote libertarian.

[Terry Gain]

Befair would have much rather finished Afghanistan before going into Iraq.

Posted by: befair | Saturday, September 06, 2008 at 11:46 AM

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Befair's too stupid to understand that if Al Qaeda had not been fighting in Iraq for the past five years, they would have been fighting in Afghanistan.

Nasty. Yes, sometimes the truth is nasty. Better to be nasty than stupid.

[Fred Beloit]

Goobye [sp intended]. But this needs to be answered:
"BTW, did we clearly win Korea, how about Viet Nam, how about Afghanastan?"

We won in Korea to the extent Truman and the Dems wanted to win. We threw the NorKors back over their boarder. We did set a bad precedent, however, by not adopting total war, though it would have probably meant war with China as well. Korea was even euphemistically called a "police action". It is still intact today as a result, still threatening, still hostile. It was a classic Clausewitz diplomacy by other means.

Viet Nam was a loss. We retreated and withdrew as we were winning. This mistake was caused by young radicals, old communists, the domination of the media of the time, then as now, by stone Lefties and pacifists and the lack of will on the part of the administration to stick it out and expose media propaganda about the need for and conduct of the war.

The "police action" in the Afghan kicked the Taliban over the Pakistan boarder and allowed for the election and installation of a new government. But, because we are not able to pursue them there, military actions proceed.

Feel free to correct and amend, as I know you will.

[seekeronos]

"--- Do what I'm doing, vote libertarian. ---"

Bob Barr is on my voting short list. So is the Constitutionalist candidate, Dr. Chuck Baldwin.

Although the Palin ticket does appeal to me a little... heh.

Too bad the Pubbies did not turn out in larger numbers for Dr. Ron Paul, who despite for some of the negatives associated with some of his fringe supporters, the man himself had some fantastic vision for restoring our republic back to Constitutional rule.

A Paul-Palin ticket would have been incredible.

"--- WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Grenada, Lebanon, Panama, Gulf War I, Kosovo, Somalia, Afghanistan, Gulf War II. ---"

For the better part of the last 100 years, this nation has been nearly at war continuously.

The last constitutionally declared war was WW2.

And even then, none of these wars were terribly necessary that the USA should have been involved. In fac, our involvement in WW1 likely had a far worse result than if we had simply minded our own business and maintained our proper sphere in the Americas.

Consider that a non-interventionist policy in WW1 might have let the Entente and Central powers beat each other into stalemate, where England might have settled with Germany (having an unbeatable navy, but unable to sustain losses against U-boats picking off British merchant shipping) leaving Germany and a significantly weaker Austria-Hungary in charge of Europe, sated and relatively content:

Germany for her part would have likely kept Elsaß-Lothringen from France, and maybe a few kilometers of buffer territory into France proper; perhaps doing the same along the Polish-Russian frontier and setting up buffer states/territories along the Ukrainian frontier (Reichsland Ober-Ost), with Austria-Hungary left to sort itself out (it would have likely splintered a generation later under ethnic lines into its component Austrian, Slavic, and Hugarian states)... and Russia might have staved off the Bolsheviks, on account of the Germans at their front door.

Kaiser Bill would have remained on the throne, Albert Speer would have became a famous architect, Hitler would have remained either an odd-jobber, or perhaps worked his way up to a mid-level government job in Vienna... Stalin would have likely died in a Tsarist prison, and Japan contenting herself with the Chinese seaboard and Korea.

Europe would likely have had a post-war depression, but without the bitterly harsh policies of Versailles to ruin anyone any further, Europe would have recovered, especially with a resurgent German industrial economy lifting everyone else up in turn. Perhaps even something resembling a Common Market might have developed. Wilhelm II would be remembered for finally giving Germany her "place in the sun", and in time, the UK and Germany would revive their ancient amity.

WW2 and the Cold War would likely not have happened, although lines of friction between Germany and Russia, and between Russia and Japan might have made for some tension.

Islam would be likely be tempered under a more increasingly progressive and moderate leadership by the Ottomans, and especially once they found all that Dinosaur Juice under the sands near Mecca...

And the USA would be particularly prosperous, being a giant economy unto itself, with a merchant fleet and global trading reach on a par with any other world power, and with far greater domestic riches not having to have been spent on the upkeep of a mighty war machine, save only for continental, naval, and aerospace defense.

Yet we are so easily entangled by war, and the military-industrial complex... and the wars fought under the flags of the UN or NATO, or even by our own (unconstitutional) executive dint over the past 60 years have hardly been legal or sanctionable under the Constitution of these many united states.

So, if I have anything to say about it, I will say that both Iraq and Afghanistan were completely unnecessary, and that issuing letters or marque and reprisal against Osama bin Laden and his leaders and funding it with a substantial bounty of a few dozen billion $USD (certainly no more than this $4 trillion war in Iraq has cost) would have likely done the job just as well.

Better still would have been to cut off the money train to the Saudis and other gulf states, and committed ourselves to an Apollo-project scale of sugar cane, vertical-growth algae lipid production, wind farm, solar concentrator farms, domestic and near-shore oil production, and all other means needed to get us off of our addiction to foreign oil.

But as they say... "should have, could have, might have, would have..."

[Terry Gain]

seekeronos

You may as well vote for Obama as Barr. The result will be exactly the same - except in your mind.

And in your mind, the Afghanistan war was unnecessary. In your mind Al Qaeda could have been taken out with "Marque and reprisal". Hilarious. And the Taliban would have just withered away.

Let's call it the Marxist-Libertarian approach to terrorism.