New Video Supports Olbermann Claim

New troubling cell phone video from a behind the scenes GOP fund raising event linked to their convention and sent by a friend in attendance forces me to disagree with Dr. Sanity on this one:

It's wonderful how they do that psychological projection stuff. The Democrats/left appeal directly to the emotions over and over again. They show poor people suffering from horrible health care insurance in the US; poor people who have lost their homes and are suffering etc. etc. etc.

This isn't just about appealing to someone's emotions. Left or Right we should all agree that the dead are to be respected. And the video, added to Olbermann's principled denouncement of the GOP makes it pretty clear - the GOP set out to exploit the dead for political gain as almost a theme for the convention. Sorry, but that's just crossing the line with me.

Warning: For some of us, apparently like Kieth Olbermann - as much as I hate to say that, who genuinely respect the dead, this could be hard to watch.

Update: Complete version of 2nd part here.

Comments

[Audacity of Hopeful Change]

Dude....WTF was that? Did I see chris pulling his pseudo-honker at the beginning?

[seekeronos]

Um... the Grateful Dead?

If I miss my guess, Dan is attempting a bit of humour here.

And unless perhaps I am missing some sort of humour here (or the point of this was not to be humourous)... but what exactly is wrong with honouring the memory of so many lives at the hands of Islamic jihadists?

Hardly a parallel to the Cult of Perpetual Misery and Defeatism that is the Democratic Party, with its continual drumbeat of human misery because we do not accept socialism as the panacea for all of our ills.

[JustOneMan]

Is it April Fools Day already...

[joeb]

People need to be reminded of 9-11 as often as possible. In many other countries showing dead bodies is no big deal. Only here in American do we hide dead people.Dead people are not shown on TV. The thinking is the fragile Americans cannot take it. Read that to mean women and children.
But in many other countries the dead are routinely shown on tv.
The Washington Post often prints pictures of the soldiers killed in the current war. I think it is a good idea for Americans to see the faces of the soldiers killed in this current war. And they should show the coffins coming home on tv also. That video of 9-11 was quite powerful. To me that is not exploiting the dead it is remembering them. What I remember about 9-11 is that here in the DC area I saw fear on the faces of Americans for the first time in my life. I don't want to have to ever see that fear on the faces of Americans again. That is why I will vote for John McCain. He is our best chance of not having a repeat of 9-11 or anything like that. Obama will be just like Clinton and be so concerned with domestic issues that he will forget all about the threat from the terrorists. McCain like Bush and Cheney will get up every morning with this thought "How can I kill some Islamic terrorists today?" We have now had 7 years of no attack on US soil. I want that to continue. I do not want the lazy dumb Democrats to be asleep at the wheel the way the Clintons were. And the Clinton's lousy advisors.
Keith Olbermann is a egg sucking dog.

[Matt]

This is not about exploiting the dead, it is not about feelings. It is about national security being the preeminent issue of all. Without security, tax policy, health care, jobs or anything else you choose do not matter.

[Lala]

I was watching the news that morning. The first report came in that a small plane had hit the Towers. My reaction was that that had to be on purpose. Then the second plane hit. And I knew it was an attack.

The fireman father of the boy I babysat for was working that day. His Company went to fight the fire. We didn't hear from him all day and all night. The cell phones weren't working. In the morning (9-12) his wife brought their son to me at 6:00 AM and she went to her job at a hospital. She hadn't heard from him, she didn't know if he was dead or alive.

At about 9:00 AM he walked in, dirty, exhausted, covered with dust. The first thing he did was grab his 5 year old son and hug him.

His Company only got as far as the Brooklyn Battery Tunnel. They were told to go in the tunnel and search for bombs. He looked at the burning building and thought to himself that if he's going to die then he'd rather die in the building and not in the tunnel. But he did what he was told to do.

Afterwards, he spent days and days looking for the bodies of the 343 firefighters who died that day. (He now has lung problems).

We knew some of the firefighters who were killed. My husband went to funerals for weeks on end.
I know the widows, I know their children.
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One of the pieces in that film is the firemen carrying out the body of the priest who was hit by a falling body.

I never shrink from watching. I honor the dead by watching.

[joeb]

Thanks for your comment Lala. I agree with you 100 per cent. Your last sentence says it all. That is exactly the way I feel. I never shrink either from watching and I also feel that I honor the dead by watching. And I remember. And I don't forget.
Keith Olberman is a dirty long tailed rat.

[Audacity of Hopeful Change]

That was the Grateful Dead? Oh.

Now I know why I never made an effort to listen to their music.

[Lala]

Too bad Hollywood is full of jerks now

"Frank Capra's "Why We Fight Series"

FRANK CAPRA'S"WHY WE FIGHT" SERIES: This prestigious film series was made by Capra, at that time a major in the US Army Signal Corps, in answer to an order from the Army Chief of Staff, General George C. Marshall, commissioning a series of films to explain the Government's policy to America's hastily assembled armed troops. Besides getting the assistance of such industry names as Robert Flaherty, Carl Foreman, James Hilton, John and Walter Huston, Lloyd Nolan, George Stevens and William Wyler; composers Alfred Newman and Dmitri Tiomkin; newsmen Ben Henry and William Shirer, Capra also had the use and assistance of MGM, Paramount and Twentieth Century Fox facilities. Of special note are the animated map sequences created by Walt Disney and his staff. Put in complete control, Capra utilized the services of writers Robert Heller, Anatole Litvak, Leonard Spiegelglass and Tony Veiller to come up with seven motion pictures that not only fulfilled their original purpose, but were declared by many to have revolutionized the art of documentary filmmaking. In 1944, the"Why We Fight" series was presented with the New York Film Critics Award as the Best Documentary Series. The series was soon being shown to the public in theaters requested by our various allies, and prints were requested by Winston Churchill and the Soviet government.

See also Know your Enemy-Japan and Attack-The Battle of New Britain"
http://www.ihffilm.com/francapwhyw.html

[Anon]

If the republicans win on securty they will lose. 9/11 is not going to put MCain over the bump.

The BEST wedge to beat Obama is the economy, he will raise taxes like every other liberal Democrat before him has done. People are upset, scared, worried, they most certainly do NOT want to pay more taxes and McCain needs to hammer home that this idea that 'everyone but rich people' are going to see their taxes lowered is FALSE.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

I dont mind admitting when I'm wrong. Even when I'm only half wrong, thought we had another year before this happened.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080905/ap_on_re_as/angry_afghans

[Capitalist Infidel]

Dan, is it your assertion that the most devastating day in American history is off limits? Why, how fascist of you. 9-11 video coverage should be shown at every political event to remind the American people where both political parties stand on the most important issue of our time. I guess it's ok to exploit every death in Iraq though right? I'm not used to this kind of rank hypocrisy on the right.

[Worst President Ever]

Obama's Tax plan is better for middle-class and poor. If you're making over something like $250,000 a year, then McCain's plan is better - McCain cuts their taxes, Obama raises them. But, again, for average Americans, Obama's plan is better.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/156909

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/30/AR2008083001681.html

http://bourbonroom.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/08/31/does-john-mccain-have-a-tax-problem-answer-probably/

Fox News says: "Both McCain and Obama would cuts taxes, but Obama’s tax cuts would be targeted to the middle class and partially offset by higher taxes on the wealthy (those earning more than $250,000).

The tax debate has just begun and McCain is losing credibility among the non-partisan bean counters and the larger media organizations that have done their own compare and contrast exercises."

[Lala]

Per Obama a couple earning $250,000 would not get a tax increase, same for singles making $200,000.
In other words the marriage penalty will be back.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"higher taxes on the wealthy (those earning more than $250,000)."

Yeah, like those bastards who own the local Burger King franchise..........They're subliminally forcing us to be fat and killing us by proxy so let's get 'em!!

[Lala]

http://www.wsj.com/article/SB121910303529751345.html?mod=most_emailed_day
Obama's Tax Plan
Is Really a Welfare Plan
By PETER FERRARA
August 19, 2008; Page A17

Barack Obama's tax plan is the opposite of supply-side economics. He proposes to raise marginal rates for just about every federal tax. He also proposes a raft of tax credits that taxpayers can receive if they engage in various government-specified activities.

Moreover, the tax credits would mostly go to those who pay little or nothing in federal income taxes. His trick is to make the tax credits "refundable." Thus, if the tax credit is for $1,000, but the taxpayer would otherwise only pay $200 in taxes, the government would write a check to the taxpayer for $800. If the taxpayer pays nothing in federal income taxes, the government would pay him the whole $1,000.

read more at the link

[Dan Riehl]

My assertion is that people should listen to the tape of Keith Overbite - whom I never have taken seriously, when he condemns Republicans for exploiting "members of the dead."

What is that other than a rock group, like Sam's Club, or something?

[Dan Riehl]

Oh and you might also note - I removed any mention of 9/11 in his comment.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"various government-specified activities."

Visions of thousands of Chinese sweeping Tienamin Square with straw brooms. GUNG HO!!!!!!!!

[Worst President Ever]

Hey Wahoo, maybe you're in a different tax bracket than are my friends and I. Under Obama's plan, we get a much bigger tax cut than under McCain. How about you? Who cuts your taxes more: Obama or McCain?

Check the numbers: Supply side economics has a 100% success rate of blowing the budget out of the water. Real Fiscal Conservatives pay for their stuff rather than sloughing the debt off on their children.

[templar knight]

Worst now admits he is a greedy bastard. Hell, I knew it all the time. Scratch a liberal, and a selfish money-gruber is always exposed. A liberal doesn't want to work for his money, he wants money at the expense of someone else's work.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Who cuts your taxes more: Obama or McCain?"

Neither, one way or another we get hurt. They are as full o' shit as everyone who has come before.

[Sara]

I have been busy with other issues and I haven't looked closely at the tax issue, not that it would get me to vote for a man who has to hide behind a woman's skirts anyway, but every time I hear Laura Tyson speak, she is careful to say they will roll back to the tax rates of the '90s. To me, that means doing away with the Bush tax cuts. And then I hear words like "tax relief," which sounds like a euphemism for tax welfare. And no matter how you slice it, small businesses will get screwed by Obama.

[Lala]

Oh, I missed the joke because I didn't listen. I can't stand looking at Olberman, not even for a minute.

[Worst President Ever]

"And no matter how you slice it, small businesses will get screwed by Obama."

Got any numbers to back that up?

And you might want to compare how small business did under Clinton vs. Bush, since McSame is essentially going to have the same policies.

Hey Temp, I worked and saved for EVERYTHING I have. How about you?

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Got any numbers to back that up?"

Maybe you can look at these numbers and figure out all by yourself that if "rich" is 250k and since most small biz files taxes as sole proprietors, who is gonna suffer...........

http://www.cbpp.org/3-21-07tax.htm

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Then there's this genius move

www.rense.com/general76/cclle.htm

[Worst President Ever]

I agree, Clinton should have never supported and signed NAFTA. It was one of his BS attempts to co-opt Republican programs and triangulate. I believe Bush the First was the first president to really get behind NAFTA.

First, the tax cuts McCain is proposing are just another iteration of Bush's cuts - big bucks for the rich, a few bones to buy off the middle class. Obama's cuts are targeted to help the vast majority of Americans - 95% - who make under $250,000 a year.

From the tax doc you linked:

The tax cuts have indeed provided significant tax breaks to a small, elite group of households with some small-business income. But for the vast majority of such households, the tax cuts offer far more limited benefits, and the reductions in the top income tax rates offer no benefits at all.

Moreover, many of the high-income households that have gained the most from the tax cuts do not conform to the popular conception of a “small business owner.”

[WAHOO WILLIE]

WPE, Bush I was a supporter of the give business away treaties yes, but, Slick Willie sinched it up and American companies went running to countries with low wages and lower tax rates....Obie say him gonna make 'em pay for that and I LIKE the idea. I think they should be taxed and tarrifed for the traitors they are.
I guess you missed the point that the low end of small biz is well in that 250k that Obie is going to put the screws to....the same people who claim to be unable to afford paying minimum wage. I'm like you though, forget the mom n pop resturant owner! I want my few extra pennies! Of course, we'll have to use those extra pennies when we fill up the fliver, go to the movies or buy our Big Mac meal and chrissy asks "ya want fries wid dat?" It's all a big ole cycle and you're going to pay one way or t'other.
Now, if you want to tax the real rich and especially the useless rich, I'm all for it. I'd like to see Michael Moore busing my table or Striesand singing for tips in times square. Dont even get me started on drug addled sports fools. Yeah, throw in some CEOs as well. But dude a small biz that isn't turninng 250k is likely a guy painting houses out of his station wagon.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Hey WPE, let's ask our friend Harpie about this, since he's a small businessdude who imports Asian products from the rim and all. I don't know what he ships that couldn't provide jobs in Ohio but still he should know how small businesses and such.

[Worst President Ever]

That's $250,000 net, not gross. If you're netting over #250,000 per owner/partner, you're doing pretty well.

[Worst President Ever]

And more Democrats voted against NAFTA than for it. It passed thanks to the Republicans and Clinton.

From Wikipedia:

After intense political debate and the negotiation of these side agreements, the U.S. House of Representatives passed NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by 234-200 vote (132 Republicans and 102 Democrats voting in favor; 43 Republicans, 156 Democrats, and 1 independent against),[6] and the U.S. Senate passed it on the last day of its 1993 session, November 20, 1993, by 61-38 vote (34 Republicans and 27 Democrats voting in favor; 10 Republicans and 28 Democrats against, with 1 Democrat opponent not voting -- Sen. Byron Dorgan (D-ND), an ardent foe of NAFTA, missed the vote because of an illness in his family).[7]

[WAHOO WILLIE]

WPE you might want to take a minute to talk to some small biz owners, ask them how they file their taxes. I dare ya.

I know who is reponsible for passing NAFTA and Gatt. Guess who's responsible for its "success"....you, me and everyone else here because we're all perfectly happy to buy a $7 shirt from China, rather than a $17 shirt from North Carolina. But there's no more cheap labor in China, their average wage is now $120.00 a month

[Worst President Ever]

Hey Wahoo, I am a small business owner.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"I am a small business owner."

What kind?

[Worst President Ever]

Software development

[seekeronos]

I probably wouldn't complain, and might even back Obama's idea of crushing taxes on CEOs and ball players and other similarly over-compensated persons.

Sort of like the Eisenhower-era 90% tax rates on anyone making over 500k per year, right WPE?

But somehow, I think that Obie isn't likely to follow through with his glowing promises, and that the middle class will be pinched just as bad no matter who wins.

The only people who could have started to set us right would have been Dr. Ron Paul, and possibly Dr. Chuck Baldwin, and maybe (but I have reservations) Bob Barr.

What we need is to go back to the way we did things in the days of Cal Coolidge and Robert Taft:

* Non-interventionism (no foreign wars w/o congressional declaration thereof)
* Slight isolationism by way of reasonable tariffs and excise taxes on imports, and resource favouritism for American producers.

America first, America only, America always.

[Brodie]

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Kieth Olbermann is a piece of crap.

[Lala]

I was just reading in the WSJ that college enrollment is the highest it's ever been. If we got all the manufacturing jobs back in this country who is going to work the production line? Not my kids. Yours?

[Lala]

Lifting the cap on Soc. Security payroll taxes - an Obama plan

http://www.avpress.com/n/05/0905_s8.hts

[WAHOO WILLIE]

".....who is going to work the production line?"

Maybe the majority of kids who dont/cant go to college....or maybe the ones with liberal arts or communications degrees. I dunno, I met a Phd years ago who made more money welding in a power plant than he did as a professor. But I never had a CPA fix my car.

[Lala]

Ah, Willie, but the liberal cry is that everyone must go to college otherwise they end up in dead-end jobs.
It's amazing to me that 12 to 20 million illegals (take your pick on the figure) came into this country and found jobs. Who knew there were that many jobs available.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Ah, Willie, but the liberal cry is that everyone must go to college otherwise they end up in dead-end jobs."

LaLa; that's because, like in most things, they live in an alternate reality where the sky is a funny color blue and everyone (inferior to them of course) is equal. Everyone there is emotionally, intellectually and financially equiped to go to college, not to mention ambitious enough to succeed. What's even better is they come out with NO work experience and move straight into mid level or management positions.

[jharp]

"Hey WPE, let's ask our friend Harpie about this, since he's a small businessdude who imports Asian products from the rim and all. I don't know what he ships that couldn't provide jobs in Ohio but still he should know how small businesses and such."

Hey Willie,

It's late and I'll be brief but wanted to respond.

I really don't give much of a dam about tax rates. I tend to look at the big picture. What good is it for me to pay a few thousand less in taxes when health insurance costs me 20 thousand. But something I do think is just plain wrong is Warren Buffett paying 15% on his 46 million while his secretary pays 30% on her 60 thousand.

And I don't import. Never have taken title to the product in my 25 years. And I live in Indiana.

[Lala]

The New York Times, the paper of record, lets writer reflect on 9/11

http://gawker.com/5046337/oh-no-times-lets-writer-reflect-on-911

[WAHOO WILLIE]

I know you're in Indiana dude, Ohio was an example of a state losing jobs because American companies are leaving the US. You didnt answer the original question but thats ok.

[seekeronos]

"--- But something I do think is just plain wrong is Warren Buffett paying 15% on his 46 million while his secretary pays 30% on her 60 thousand. ---"

Lest the Alpaca of Accounting, the infamous LlameLlama, CPA himself set us straight...

I think Ms. Secretary is only paying a tiny nub of her $60K at the 30% bracket.

And at Buffet's (passive) income level, 15% capital gains on $46M is something in the neighbourhood of $6,900,000... more than 100x what Ms. Secretary even makes, and certainly moreso than what she pays in taxes.

Now if you ask me, instead of jacking up the Capital gains tax on long-term investments... Ms. Secretary's UPPERMOST tax bracket should be 15% as well, inclusive of FICA and all the other "add-ons".

[seekeronos]

In fact, I'd go so far as to recommending that the 16th Amendment be either repealed or further amended to disallow income taxation for wage-earners (keeping it intact for corporations and partnerships, inheritance/estate taxes for estates over $10M, and capital gains income)... and replacing the revenue from wage-earners with import tariffs to re-encourage American manufacturing to return to our shores.