It's Not Just About Palin

I'm pretty much still staying away from the Palin stuff as I find it pretty twisted. I can't imagine being a teenager and having the world, led by the media, come down on you like this. Actually, it's beyond sick - simply pitiful.

But this is about more than just Palin and you could sense it building in the blogosphere beginning with the Democrat's convention.

Two months to go until the election and it's on. It's war, otherwise known as election season.

Surely Obama must have knocked up some college chick during his "lost years," right? Heh!

Seriously, paybacks can be a bitch and the Right is now carrying a grudge over this.

I'm afraid it's going to be a very ugly two months. And unfortunately, blogs will end up being at least partly to blame.

Comments

[chris]

"I'm pretty much still staying away from the Palin stuff as I find it pretty twisted."

Wow, and I thought it was because it shows that it makes McSame look like a fool. So honorable of you. You're sure to get a special flag lapel pin for that.

[anon]

Democrats never learn, they can never contain themselves and always go overboard. The only thing that got Bill Clinton elected is the force of his personality which was able to overwhelm all the Democrats worst impulses...the Democrats are squandering their best chance to get an ultra liberal in the White House because they can't contain their glee at slamming a 17 year old girl for having had sex.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Here's mavericky reformer, Governor Palin, prasing the bridge to nowhere before she opposed it:

http://www.andrewhalcro.com/the_bridge_to_somewhere

Can you feel the change?

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"I'm pretty much still staying away from the Palin stuff as I find it pretty twisted."

Which is hilarious, given your breathless support for her when her name was announced. Why aren't you defending her on the issues (never mind her daughter)? Why aren't you making a case for her qualifications?

[Anon]

Would that be like Obama being against FISA before he was for it? Being for banning handguns before he was for owning them? Being for publicly financed campaigns until he wasn't? The Dems aren't in any better position than the Republicans in terms of flip floppers.

Can you feel the change?

[Fred Beloit]

Oh, that sly dog, Mr Conservative: "Why aren't you making a case for her qualifications?"
As if that case has not been convincingly made already and Mr Conservative, supported and encouraged by the sewer rats at blogs like Kos and Huff'nstuff, hasn't tried to knock holes in it.

Get this through you heads, troolls, we like what we see so far in Palin. The mountain ranges of disqualifications all y'all see in the libblogs are so far nothing but molehills to us. For example, since when are libs opposed to someone getting a lawyer? If it were up to you lib numb skulls there would be a government-paid program for everyone to have free legal service for any purpose whatever. Yet some of the afore-mentioned libs are excoriating Palin for hiring a lawyer. Oh, Totally, you are totally a mischievous rascal.

[Lala]

Fred,
Newsweek used to like Gov. Palin
http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=UTF-8&p=newsweek+breslau+women&fr=ush-groups&u=www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21162322/site/newsweek/&w=newsweek+%22news+week%22+breslau+women+woman&d=fgCeqBg5RTlk&icp=1&.intl=us

[ET]

Palin was a masterful pick that has the loons on the left shaking in their boots. She counters every one of their George Soros talking points:

1. She has no experience! Wait, BO has NO executive experience, and has very little to show in his legislative career, aside from running for office and promoting infanticide.

2. But she is from a small state! Wait, her budget was WAY bigger than anything he has ever run, including his presidential campain. Plus the constituency in his state senate district, from which he claims his experience, was 200k! Alaska's population is 3.5 times that, and much more strategically important than the south side of Chicago.

3. But her daughter is pregnant at 17! Oops. BO was born to an 18 year old unwed mother who knowingly had an affair with a married man.

4. But we are the ticket of CHANGE!. Wrong again. Biden is the embodiment of the liberal Washington establishment, and Obama stands for the classic tax and spend policies that have failed in the past. They are the ticket of change back to the Carter years.

When middle America contrasts the character and values of the McCain Palin ticket with the sleazy, condescending rhetoric of Obama Biden, they will vote for the moderate, reform-minded republicans.

What a laugher...The dems did it again - snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Plus, I'll bet Palin could kick Obie's ass in basketball.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Goodness, it appears that St. McPOW has blasted "reformer" Gov. Palin's earmarks in the past:

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-earmarks3-2008sep03,0,2482434.story

Anon: McSame and Palin are running on a platform of reform, yet question after question with respect to her ethics keep coming up. And they remain unanswered.

"As if that case has not been convincingly made" ....

Convincingly made to whom, Fwed? And yes, Fwed, liberal blogs have caused all of poor Sara's problems.

"Get this through you heads, troolls, we like what we see so far in Palin."

Yeah, we get it, numb nuts. YOU like what you see - a right wing version of George W. Bush (who spoke for about 9 minutes via satellite at the convention). Good luck with that outside of the base. Anti-choice in any instance; science-denying; pro-creationism in the schools; buddies with Ted Stevens; lobbied for millions in earmarks to a town of 9000 people; fired a state employee for failing to fire her brother in law; presently refusing to take part in the ivestigation after promising full cooperation - since Friday we know this.

I'd be curious to know Ms. Palin's accomplishments as the commander in chief of the Alaska National Guard. I'd like to know her position on immigration reform. I'd like to know her position on nuclear nonproliferation. I'd like to know her position on U.S. relations with Pakistan. The last I heard, she admitted that she wasn't really following the situation in Iraq and that she wasn't aware of what the VP does. But I imagine that will change once the McLame folks tell her what to say on tv.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Oh, and she love to ban her some books, and fire her some librarians:

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1837918,00.html

"[Former mayor] John Stein says that as mayor, Palin continued to inject religious beliefs into her policy at times. “She asked the library how she could go about banning books,” he says, because some voters thought they had inappropriate language in them. “The librarian was aghast.” That woman, Mary Ellen Baker, couldn’t be reached for comment, but news reports from the time show that Palin had threatened to fire Baker for not giving “full support” to the mayor."

The public loves Ms. Palin so much, that they've accidentally forgotten what ticket she's on and put their support behind Barack, who is now above 50%:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109960/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Hits-50-First-Time.aspx

And it's been less than a week since her announcement.

[Anon]

The Republican base?

Who exactly is it that you think voted for George W. Bush twice? You talk about the Republican base like it doesn't matter. What about energizing the heart of the Republican base is a good thing for John McCain's chances of getting elected do you not understand?

I'm not enamoured of the Republican base, I thought he should have picked Tom Ridge, a decent, reasonable, moderate to conservative guy with a very, very good history of achievement. That would have been the real John McCain, the McCain from 2000, not the poor sucker here who has to kowtow to the right to lifers and the creationists and so he's running with a female to the right of Dick Cheney.

But, you make fun of the Republican base at your peril. Obama is going to have a hard time convincing the Reagan Democrats that he's not a manchurian candidate for the weather underground.

[ET]

--Goodness, it appears that St. McPOW has blasted "reformer" Gov. Palin's earmarks in the past.

Stoner, you are an hysterical lefty. Remember that just this year Biden said Obama was not ready for the presidency, as did both Hillary and Bill Clinton. Tit for tat. Your rant means nothing.

http://perspectives.com/forums/view_topic.php?id=183707&forum_id=91

Oh, and Palin is a right to lifer. Precisely your problem. Middle America relates more to her concern for the unborn than to Obama's determination to snuff the life out of babys born alive during abortion procedures.

Keep those talking points coming Spiccoli. We have answers for all of them.

[chris]

"not the poor sucker here who has to kowtow to the right to lifers and the creationists and so he's running with a female to the right of Dick Cheney"

So you don't believe that the earth is 2,800 years old and that the 3 wise men rode on dinosaurs to the manger???

Better enjoy your time here, because hell awaits!

lol

[Lala]

Former Mayor Stein, who Palin knocked for a loop, says stuff about Palin. hahaha. Why no comment from the librarian? BTW Mayors fire people all the time. New brooms sweep clean.

[Lala]

"fired a state employee for failing to fire her brother in law; presently refusing to take part in the ivestigation after promising full cooperation - since Friday we know this."

THC - you need to keep up

* n Wednesday, September 3, 2008

Palin files ethics complaint against self in 'troopergate'
More on this Story
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/251/story/51592.html

By Lisa Demer | Anchorage Daily News

Gov. Sarah Palin wants a state board to review the circumstances surrounding the dismissal of Public Safety Commissioner Walt Monegan -- taking the unusual step of making an ethics complaint against herself.

Her lawyer sent an "ethics disclosure" Monday night to Attorney General Talis Colberg. The governor asked that it go to the three-person Personnel Board as a complaint. While ethics complaints are usually confidential, Palin wants the matter open.
read more at link

[anon]

I don't believe in hell, but I do believe its bad strategy to beat up on a 17 year old girl no matter who you are, even the acolytes of the new black messiah.

[The Other Ed]

Before McCain starts talking about Palin backfiring, maybe he should remember his making fun of a 17-year old Chelsea Clinton by telling this joke at a GOP fundraiser in 1998:

"Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

Yeah John, that'll really win the woman's vote over.

[LeftyStomper]

ooooh, a joke at a Republican fundraiser!!!! .... which he apologized for. That's almost the same thing.

[Worst President Ever]

It was the McSame campaign that announced the pregnancy. After that, it's been the media that's locked in on doing the vetting that McCain apparently skipped. Obama's said publicly that family should be off limits.

I could care less about her pregnancy though I find it somewhat curious that someone that supports abstinence only is now celebrating her daughter's out-of-wedlock pregnance - bad, bad, bad according to abstinenece only literature - in front of the entire nation. Her real problem is her record and rhetoric don't match.

She says she's against earmarks but she sucked up $27 million from 2000 to 2003 for a town that's under 10,000 population.

She tried to ban books at the local library.

She actually supported the Bridge to Nowhere before she didn't.

She also apparently thinks the Iraq war is a "task from God".

She raised taxes in Alaska.

You're welcome to support her, but there's nothing wrong with the press bringing her record forward.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"Who exactly is it that you think voted for George W. Bush twice?"

Many many people who are not predisposed to voting for a republican this year.

"You talk about the Republican base like it doesn't matter. What about energizing the heart of the Republican base is a good thing for John McCain's chances of getting elected do you not understand?"

The GOP base IS important; it's a sizable group of people - just like the Dem base. Neither party can win an election by only appealing to its base, which is all Palin does. Which part of the Republican brand being poison don't YOU get? McCain's strategy all along as been to grab folks in the middle, and Hillary supporters. When it became clear last week that this strategy would prove untenable, he went for a move that would get his base riled up, a move he gambled would appeal to more than "the base." Do you honestly believe that Gov. Palin is going to appeal to moderates? Forget the scandal stuff. On her positions alone.

"I'm not enamoured of the Republican base, I thought he should have picked Tom Ridge, a decent, reasonable, moderate to conservative guy with a very, very good history of achievement."

I think that would have been a decent pick as well, and much more formidable for Obama.

"That would have been the real John McCain, the McCain from 2000, not the poor sucker here who has to kowtow to the right to lifers and the creationists and so he's running with a female to the right of Dick Cheney."

Again, agreed.

"But, you make fun of the Republican base at your peril."

I guess. I just don't think they are numerous enough to win an election for McCain. That coupled with the general political sentiment in this country simply make me dubious of McCain's chances, especially if Obama is successful in linking him to W - which took a while, but now appears to be sticking better. You just jabbed them too by the way. ;)

"Obama is going to have a hard time convincing the Reagan Democrats that he's not a manchurian candidate for the weather underground."

Yes, especially when the other side continues to lie about it and keep it in the news all the time. See how that works? Does any of this Palin mess sound familiar to you at all? Only this time, the Obama folks aren't saying ANYTHING about Palin's daughter; it's the McCain folks who are keeping the issue front and center.

[Lala]

Did Sarah Palin actually make a move to ban books or was that idle chatter? Did she DO something, did she bring it up with the city council, did she lead a march on the library? What?

[chris]

"Did she DO something"

She hasn't done much of anything and that's part of the problem.

[Worst President Ever]

Some real inside commentary:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg

[I shoot animals for sport]

It is fun watching the left self-destruct. This will not end well for them and they simply can't see it.

[Obama's dead white mother]

Well, I'm voting for McCain/Palin, especially after seeing what the other side is composed of. They(chris and totally) have been lobotomized somewhere along the way. Or climbed out of a sewer. Or both. Sickening is what these two sewer rats are.

And don't say anything about me being dead and not being able to vote. The Democrats have been voting dead people for years.

[templar knight]

"She hasn't done much of anything and that's part of the problem."

There you go again, lying. Tell us what Obama has done. If you were so concerned about people "doing something", then you couldn't vote for Obama, because he hasn't done anything other than comingle with terrorists. Oh, that's why you like him. I should have known, a traitor like you would love that.

[chris]

Sorry to break it to you but:

It's not your country any more.

Be sure to pass that on to your highly educated progeny.

That is all.

[templar knight]

Rather than answer the question, you want to posture. It's my country, love it or leave it, terrorist supporter and traitor. There will be an accounting for you terrorist supporters and traitors, I guarantee that. And it will come sooner than you think. I can't wait.

[Worst President Ever]

Wrong Temp. It's OUR country. Mine just as much as yours.

[Worst President Ever]

Here's the transcript for the video link above. This is Chuck Todd, Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy talking supposedly off-mike. Doesn't sound like they're impressed with the Palin pick.

Peggy Noonan: Yeah.

Mike Murphy: You know, because I come out of the blue swing state governor world: Engler, Whitman, Tommy Thompson, Mitt Romney, Jeb Bush. I mean, these guys -- this is how you win a Texas race, just run it up. And it's not gonna work. And --

PN: It's over.

MM: Still McCain can give a version of the Lieberman speech to do himself some good.

CT: I also think the Palin pick is insulting to Kay Bailey Hutchinson, too.

PN: Saw Kay this morning.

CT: Yeah, she's never looked comfortable about this --

MM: They're all bummed out.

CT: Yeah, I mean is she really the most qualified woman they could have turned to?

PN: The most qualified? No! I think they went for this -- excuse me-- political bullshit about narratives --

CT: Yeah they went to a narrative.

MM: I totally agree.

PN: Every time the Republicans do that, because that's not where they live and it's not what they're good at, they blow it.

MM: You know what's really the worst thing about it? The greatness of McCain is no cynicism, and this is cynical.

CT: This is cynical, and as you called it, gimmicky.

MM: Yeah.

[templar knight]

Better tell that to your fellow sewer rat chris, Worst.

[templar knight]

As for the Palin pick, good that they are not impressed. It's time for new blood in the Republican Party, not the same old thing. A shake-up was in order and I hope McCain has the balls to stick with Palin.

As for you sewer rats, who gives a shit what you think. You weren't going to vote for a Republican anyway.

[anon]

Yes, especially when the other side continues to lie about it and keep it in the news all the time. See how that works? Does any of this Palin mess sound familiar to you at all? Only this time, the Obama folks aren't saying ANYTHING about Palin's daughter; it's the McCain folks who are keeping the issue front and center.
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I totally disagree that its the McCain camp that is keeing Palin's family front and center. The only reason they went public was because Daily Kos and Co. had gone crazy on this nutty idea of her son being her grandson, even Michael Moore got into the act, demanding a DNA test [he has since apparently regained some sense of propriety and taken it down]. It is more total hypocricy for the left to stir up a false scandal that forces her to answer it and then blame her for her daughter being the subject of news stories, totally disingenuous. To his credit, Obama has done nothing and I don't believe he or any of his people were, or would have been involved in something so sickening, but he will be tarred with the brush all the same because its obvious the media is in the tank with Obama and so their rush to the tabloid gutter on the back of a 17 year old is going to taint him as well.

By all rights Obama should be up by 20 or more points, but he's not. Why not? He is TOO LIBERAL, he also has a lot of baggage, the Ayers stuff is true, not false, the Wright stuff is true, not false, and it involves the candidate not his children.

It looks like the McCain campaign doesn't really know what they are doing, I think they did vet Palin but not as much as the others and it doesn't appear they got their own talking points on her out to their own people..this is a good sign for Obama, who is running a very tight campaign.

However, if you look at the Blue/Red divide and you look at the number of "swing" states that are allegedly in play you will see that most of them like VA, NC, Indiana haven't voted for a Democrat since LBJ, there are really only 3 swing states that matter and exist: Ohio, PA, and FL. The left has thought this was going to be a blow out election for the last 2 years, it won't be, there are too many people who simply do not identify with the Democratic Platform, its too liberal, just like the Republican Platform is too conservative. Independents like myself have nowhere to go, no one to vote for, each candidate is an embodiment, or runs as an embodiment of the most ideological element.

Obama is an inexperienced, untested, freshman senator who has spent all of his senate career that does exist on his book tour or running for president who appears to be thoughtful, intelligent, but who has a tendency to couch his policies and his speeches in a way that can be interpreted as support by both sides of an issue, he's also flip flopped on major issues.

McCain is an honorable, old, senator whose spent his career playing inside beltway baseball, with a serious temper problem, who appears to be somewhat personally disengaged and who is now held hostage to the right wing of his party.

Given the gravity of this country's situation, both choices are pretty lame. If I had to predict right now, I would predict that just on the basis of the McCain campaign appearing disorganized and not detail oriented I would give the election to Obama, but it will still be close, no matter how bad of a campaign McCain runs. If Palin really is charismatic and the McCain campaign gets it together and if they do play dirty and use some of Obama's most unsavory history....then, it will come down to the wire again.

[BobInStamford]

By all rights Obama should be up by 20 or more points, but he's not. Why not?

Because there are millions of angry rednecks out there who wouldn't vote for Obama for any reason. And it is because of the aforementioned deficient rednecks that Obama's victory will be even sweeter.

If you 'necks think #3 hitting the wall hurt, wait until 11/5!

Semper Fi!!

[anon]

I wonder if you will still think his victory is sweet when he raises income tax, sales tax, corporate tax, capital gains tax, gas tax and every other tax he can think of while not calling it a tax?

[Worst President Ever]

You might want to compare the Tax plans of the two candidates. Obama actually CUTS taxes MORE on middle-class workers. So unless you're really, really, really rich, Obama's tax plan is going to do more for you.

[anon]

My recollection is that Obama's idea of the "rich" is a family of four with an income of over $200K, which would put both parents already in the 48% bracket and no, 2 parents w/2 children living on $200K a year is not anyone I would believe needs to pay more in taxes, nope, not a penny more.

[Worst President Ever]

If you're middle-class or poor, you get more out of Obama's plan. Taxes on the top 1% go up, down on pretty much everyone else. If you're rich, McCain gives you a tax cut, but smaller tax cuts than Obama to the middle-class and poor.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/18/obama.taxplan/index.html

[anon]

The tax code doesn't recognize what a 'working family' is or who the middle class is, all that link gives is huge numbers and rhetoric.

What is the income cut off for the "middle class" according to Obama who are going to have their taxes cut? For an individual, a couple, a family? What about net worth?

What income or net worth makes you "rich" enough to pay more taxes according to Obama?

People left his speech believing he said he was going to lower taxes for 95% of AMERICANS, but that isn't what he said, he said 'working families'...I dont know what that means in terms of dollars. Do you?

[BobInStamford]

For an angry old philanderer with 8 houses and a wife with $100 M, $5 million a year is rich:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Q2sAFH7zj0

I feel so, what is the word??? MIddle Class!!! Give me my tax cut, old man!!!

[Worst President Ever]

If you're making more than $250,000 a year, your taxes will probably go up. The more over $250,000 you make, the more they go up. And if you make under $250,000 a year, your taxes go down.

[anon]

Why isn't 48% of a person's income sufficient for the federal government's cut?

I can virtually guarantee you that NO ONE in this country who makes over $80,000, let alone $100K and files as an individual with no children or who makes $150K as a couple is going to see their federal taxes go down.

[Worst President Ever]

I have no idea where you're getting 48% from - that's higher than the marginal rate on even the highest income bracket, let alone a single person making around $100,000.

And once you get rich, you get a tax accountant, who figures out ways for you to play less taxes. Write-offs, loopholes.

[Xennady]

I find it sad and pathetic that anyone actually believes Obama will cut taxes on anyone. Remember Bill Clinton campaigned on a middle class tax cut that never happened. Worst President Ever, if you really think there will be a tax cut you're a sucker but when it doesn't happen I'm sure you'll be happy about it since Teh Messiah will tell you there was a good reason. Good luck with that.

But what I really want to say is this: What we are witnessing is the slow motion disintegration of American political culture that has mostly kept the nation politically stable since the founding. When this has happened before- like in the 1850s- it has led to disaster. Back then it was slave versus free state- now it's left versus right.

If Obama wins his plans to loot the country will obviously cause intense opposition. If you haven't heard of Obama's Global Poverty Act, google it. If McCain wins the left will feel cheated as they always do when they lose an election causing the now typical leftard raving whackjob crazy insane conspiracy nonsense concluding America isn't really a democracy anyway or Obama would have won so why not trash everything about America and teach those damn rednecks a lesson. This has been the Democrats modus operandi for the last eight years and it has done damage. The moronic and vile attacks on Palin are just the latest example.

[Worst President Ever]

Bemoaning the breakdown in politics, then calling liberals "leftard", "raving", "whackjob", "insane", "moronic", "vile" - a lot of hate there - makes it a little hard to take your concern seriously. Looks to me like you're doing all you can to make the political climate even worse.

[Xennady]

Worst president ever,

The political climate is already poisonous regardless of what I say. I can't believe you haven't noticed this.

What my comment means is that I've chosen which side I'll be on come the revolution, like I expect you've chosen yours.

I can regret an impending catastrophe without pretending I won't assign blame or take a side.

[seekeronos]

"--- If you're making more than $250,000 a year, your taxes will probably go up. The more over $250,000 you make, the more they go up. And if you make under $250,000 a year, your taxes go down. ---"

Methinks the Big Zero (Obama) is either stonewalling the good citizens of these United States, or is once again pulling the woll over the Sheeple's collective eyes.

"--- What my comment means is that I've chosen which side I'll be on come the revolution, like I expect you've chosen yours. ---"

I intend to be on the right side - the side with the stored food and the guns and the ammo. Of course, come the revolution, methinks that the left will suddenly find that they were wrong on "gun control", or will conveniently forget their much touted notion that gun ownership=crime.

"--- Obama's Global Poverty Act ---"

Yet another Dem plan to destroy the USA. I kid you not: the liberal left wing of this nation is a far more pervasive and deadly enemy than any terrorist. Their wickedness and perversion runs deep.

[tonya tipton]

Sarah Palin is new to everyone and the Republicans thinks she's the best thing since sliced cheese. Once the dust settles and we get down to the debates it will be clear who is for the American people and it's not the Republicans.

I'm a woman and I don't believe in anything that Palin does, I believe in a woman's right to choose she doesn't, I believe sex education should be taught in schools she doesn't, I believe in birth control she doesn't, I believe in equal pay for women she doesn't and the list goes on and on......

One week before Palin was picked she was praising Obama saying she was glad that Obama was moving up in the polls against McCain and that she liked Obama's message of change and that she liked Obama's energy plan so clearly McCain had not vetted this woman.

McCain has said he doesn't know much about the Economy and from what he's offering the American people he clearly shows that he doesn't. Yesterday Palin said that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were funded by tax payers when they are privately funded so she has shown she doesn't know much about the economy either.