If You Thought They Hated Lieberman Before ...

I can't wait to see the Lefty blogs fully respond to this. Or, is it so devastating their only hope is to pretend it wasn't said, ... or that their former VP nominee Lieberman is unimportant? One day I'm going to have to ask one of my more liberal commenters how it is they manage to get their fingers in their ears when their head is so far up their azz.

Lieberman: Obama Has Not Always Put Country First

Mr. Lieberman, the Connecticut Independent who was the Democratic vice presidential nominee in 2000, made the remark as he used his introduction of Mr. McCain to deliver a harsh assessment of Mr. Obama without mentioning his name.

“In my opinion, the choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said. “Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. Between one candidate who’s a talker, and the other candidate who’s the leader America needs as our next candidate.’’

In closing, would one of my Right-side commenters please wipe up the spittle from the comments area if the usual morons choose to weigh in. That's assuming they don't crawl back under their rocks until this goes away.

Comments

[IslamoLlama]

Oh, le gaspe! Be still my beating heart! Lieberman likes McCain over Obama.

Yeah, this was maybe approaching news 6 months ago, when Lieberman was getting kicked around as a McCain VP or Cabinet member and had to whisper the difference between Sunni and Shi'ite to Cap'n Straight Talk.

Bigger news might be the kind words that Russ Feingold (you know, one of the Senators who actually has a "D" next to his name) had to say about McCain.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=781576

[templar knight]

The usual suspects may say what they please, but John McCain was the de-facto leader of the free world in this crisis between Russia and Georgia. While Bush was messing around in China, and Obama vacationing in Hawaii, McCain stepped up to the plate and hit a home run. Yes, all freedom-loving people are Georgians today, just as John McCain said. To even think Obama could handle a crisis like this defies reality.

[GL]

IslamoLlama - "Oh, le gaspe! Be still my beating heart! Lieberman likes McCain over Obama."

About the same reaction I had to former congressman Jim Leach's endorsement of CELEBRITY candidate Hussein Obama.

It seems Leach and Obama never grew up, they have a need to feel liked, and popular around the world... regardless of the cost. Public approval overseas should mean little to nothing to anyone who has actually paid attention during their lifetime.

Ronald Reagan was probably LESS popular in western Europe than George Bush is now... while he was implementing the very policies which would bring down the Soviet Union.

When you realize that the very same people Jim Leach and Obama seek to curry favor with, and hoped to be liked by - consistently poll in the 60% range of thinking the United States needs to be weakened... it should open your eyes a little. It should make you wonder just why Obama is so popular there at the least!

But nooooo... we continue to have brain dead leftists (and I'm sorry to have to include Jim Leach in this category) who think this is a high school popularity contest or something.

As for the old charge leftists have been throwing around the last few years about "squandering the sympathy for us around the world"... I really wish someone would stand up and tell them that you can find sympathy in the dictionary between sh!t and syphilis - and all three have roughly the same value.

[SacTownMan]

I have tremendous respect for Joe Lieberman! I do not agree with many of his veiws on a variety of social issues but like John McCain he is a man of conviction. His support for the War in Iraq caused the same party that nominated him for the VP slot just a couple of years earlier to throw him to the lions. George Soro's laid down the law and the trolls obeyed blindly.

The only problem was the American people knew him to be a man of his word and he kicked George's leftist poster boy's butt in the general election.
He and McCain despite overwhelming opposition told people the truth about the threat of a failure in Iraq. Today they have both been vindicated by history that they were indeed right and both laid their political lives on the line for a concept that is as foreign to Barry as deodorant is to Lame-O.. honor and duty to country above all else.

I thank god everyday that there are still men of character such as John McCain and Joe Lieberman left in this world. The contrast with a tool like Barry could not be more obvious. He has no record of standing for anything and his moral compass is stuck on stupid!

[Worst President Ever]

I'll see your Lieberman and raise ya one Hagel.

Looks like the man representing the Free World in this case was French:

"Russian President Dmitri Medvedev and European Union leader Nicolas Sarkozy agreed Tuesday on six principles to resolve the crisis in Georgia.

Sarkozy, the French president, met with Medvedev in Moscow to discuss the situation in Georgia, then the two presented the principles at a news conference, reported RIA Novosti, the Russian information agency."

The French leader plans to present the plan to Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili in Tblisi, the Georgian capital.

[Aaron]

The relatively newly minted Lefty, Andrew Sullivan, has been striken with the vapors upon his learning of Lieberman's comments. Prior to being carried to the hospital from an orgy in a toilet at the YMCA in Washington DC, he dashed off a nasty post for his famous blog, The Daily Ditch, that pretty well excoriated Lieberman within an inch of the Senator's sorry life. Then Sullivan lay down and succumbed to the orgasms associated with completion of one more of his hysterical and totally fact-free posts.

[Terry Gain]

Worst President Ever

Dear Jimmy. Go away and count your saudi dollars.

[Terry Gain]

Russia invades Georgia and Obama tells both sides to stop fighting.

"Now see here Russia, stop attacking. And you Georgia, stop being attacked by Russia".

Obama: as ready as the boobinstamford.

[bobInStamford]

Greetings trooop-supporters and sundry patriots! I have returned from a 2 week sojourn! The family was considering Dollywood, Twitty City and Branson but opted for Olde Europe instead. I suppose we are bunch of appeasers and pinkos at heart!

I want to reiterate my appreciation to John McCain for his SERVICE. If it wasn't for him, we would all be speaking North Korean! Additionally, his support of teh trooops and teh SURGE ensured that there would be no more Iraqi hijackers on my flight.

Semper Fi. Over and out!

[Worst President Ever]

Maybe we ought to finish up World War IV before we embark on World War V.

And there's this piece of unfinished business:

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

[templar knight]

Boob, you should thank Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark for ensuring that there would be no Serbian hijackers in "Olde Europe". Serbia will never attack us again.

Hm...the new "conservative" President of France helped broker the ceasefire in the Russian invasion of Georgia. Good. And the leader of Georgia thanked John McCain for his unflinching support. Better. And Worst looks more the fool. Best!

[Worst President Ever]

KaChing

WASHINGTON — John McCain's top foreign policy adviser, Randall Scheunemann, lobbied for the nation of Georgia for four years, including for about a year after he joined the Republican senator's presidential campaign staff in early 2007.

Georgia has paid Scheunemann's firm, Orion Strategies, LLC, nearly $900,000 since 2004, including $200,000 for an eight-month contract that began on May 1, two weeks after McCain issued a strong statement criticizing Russia and supporting Georgia.

On April 17 of this year, McCain issued a stern statement assailing "Russia's moves to undermine Georgian sovereignty." Two weeks later, Georgia gave Orion a $200,000 contract extension.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/election2008/story/46982.html

[seekeronos]

"--- And there's this piece of unfinished business: (link to Bin Laden's "wanted poster") ---"

Well, $12B on a particular scion of a wealthy Arab family vs. the immeasurable amounts of $dough to be spent arming up for the Second Cold War with Russia?

Bin Laden's old news, WPE. Time to move on to stopping Vlad the Vicious once more, and crank out schlocky movies about Russkies to galvanize public opinion against the Dread-but-not-necessarily-Red Menace.

[Scrapiron]

BDS has came a long way. All a leftie with a bad case of BDS can think is Osama, Osama. They are so in love with him they have him mixed up with Obama. They are birds of a feather but they are not the same person and neither of them will make the world spin faster or slower if they are alive or dead. Has anyone saw a picture of a real walking talking Osama since the big bombs rained down? He is so unimportant most people have completely forgot about him 'maybe' being alive and scared to stick his head out of the outhouse hole. For 99% of the people in the world he is a dead duck and good ridance. For those who don't know what an outhouse hole is you will find out shortly after you elect an idiot named Obama and the economy crashes worse than it did in 1929.
“…I will stand with them (Muslims) should the political winds shift in an ugly direction.” B Hussein Obama,

page 261 of his book, Audacity of Hope…

[Spartan112]

Is this somehow supposed to be shocking or have any meaning whatsoever?

[Spartan112]

Russia invades Georgia and Obama tells both sides to stop fighting.

"Now see here Russia, stop attacking. And you Georgia, stop being attacked by Russia".

Obama: as ready as the boobinstamford.

Oddly that was also the same thing Bush said...I don't know if you noticed, but Georgia started military action first. Was the reaction way overboard? Yup, but the Georgian gov't clearly misplayed their hand and got their butts handed to them for their troubles.

[SacTownMan]

"...I don't know if you noticed, but Georgia started military action first. Was the reaction way overboard? Yup, but the Georgian gov't clearly misplayed their hand and got their butts handed to them for their troubles."

So you honestly believe that the Russian Army just happened to massed on the Georgian border ready to invade. Do you think that the sheer number of troops that invaded Georgia were all just sitting around and just happened to "show up" fully equiped and ready for a major land invasion.

So let me get this straight you agree with Barry that Georgia was at fault here when Russia was backing rebels into attacking across the border and fully intended to goad Georgia into defending it's own interests. If Barry is as stupid about world affairs as you are we could be in for a real treat if he becomes POTUS.

This was a setup by Russia to teach a lesson to both Georgia and Ukraine. Both have been courting America and NATO for inclusion into NATO. Are you and your fellow moonbats so stupid to just believe that tens of thousands of troops could mass overnight ready for a fight. Un-freaking believable.

[SacTownMan]

Sock Puppet says;

"I suppose we are bunch of appeasers and pinkos at heart!"

No shit Sherlock!

Hope your little training visit to the Madrassa went well!

PS, The house is doing just fine thanks Sockie!

Allah Akbar Bro!

[Spartan112]

I'm not saying Georgia was at fault in this, but simply that they misplayed their hand. Didn't they notice that there were large numbers of Russian troops on their border? If they did why did they choose now to attack South Ossetia? I'm sure they expected some sort of military response from Russia just not the one they got.

As for Obama, he didn't really say anything different than Bush on the issue. Somewhere along the line you decided to attach yourself to his early comment that the fighting on both sides should stop and at that moment two sides HAD been the aggressor.

The Russians took the moment as an opportunity to invade in an effort to secure Georgian oil.

[syn]

Poor Obama supporters are under some illusion that a man who advocated doctors and nurses have legitmate rights to leave born-alive babies to die in hospital linen closets or bathrooms after the baby survives a blotched abortion will have loads of humanity towards those who put him into power.

Obama is perfectly content to let the babies die, do his supporters honesty believe he will give a shit about them once he has power?

There is no defense for Obama's values, he'd leave you to rot in misery.

[BobInStamford]

What is all of this talk about Georgia?? Are you patriots referring to the Russian Georgia or the Redneck Georgia? If it's the latter, I say Bombs Away!!!

Time to finish what Sherman started!!

[seekeronos]

"--- 'm not saying Georgia was at fault in this, but simply that they misplayed their hand. Didn't they notice that there were large numbers of Russian troops on their border? ---"

What I'd like to know is, how come OUR intelligence agencies did not really know much about the Russian Horde massed at the border, much less its build up (let's give the Russkies the benefit of the doubt and say that it took them at least two weeks to build up the three or so combat divisions along with however many supply and support units)...?

And let us not discount that the only think (so far) keeping the Red Army from having completely steamrollered Georgia and subjugating it once again as a client state by toppling its government was a combination of a nasty call from the Big Red Phone, along with the rationalization that Mother Russia could still use this as a bargaining chip to cow the other break-away republics back into Soviet orbit.

I reckon Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia, Ukraine, Belarus, Moldova, and even the more distant and NATO-integrated former Warsaw Pact nations are running scared, and Old Europe will likely leave them to wither on the vine, closing off any further discussions of increasing NATO's membership roll at the fear of losing all that "cheap" Russian gas.

Yup, it would be fair to say that Russia - specifically due to Putin & Medvedev - is in the catbird seat now.

[w3]

BobinStamford would be too afraid to come down here to Georgia. He'd have rednecks to the left of him and black men to the right.

Best to stay in Stamford where they laugh alike, they walk alike, at times they even talk alike.

How come Stamford doesn't open its loving arms to the black man, Bobby? Do they scare the Stamford Wives?

[Spartan112]

Seek, it seems we agree on something. Russia is indeed in the catbird seat. Just what leverage do we have to stop them? Does anyone think the W would be willing to send troops into the region? You folks can scream all you want comparing Obama to Chamberlain, but what besides saber rattling can l'il Georgie do?

[seekeronos]

There isn't much we can do about Georgia, aside from sabre-rattling.

And with Europe (specifically the NATO that is less than willing to wage a world war with a nuclear-armed, hypernationalist, fascist Russia drunk on oil and gas money) hedging its bets, the USA's attempt to hem Russia in with pro-Western governments in former Soviet Satellites may be at an end.

The best GWB could probably do would be to make a few more statements to the effect of "yeah, you caught us with our pants down with Georgia, but any more funny business..."

...and have our attack subs ping the Russkie boomers they are tracking, and maybe muster some B-52 flights over the Arctic Circle.

Just to remind them that we are also still quite able to be a nuisance to their plans to reclaim their old Soviet Empire.

[templar knight]

"Russia is in the catbird seat, now."

Maybe, seek, but I would be interested in seeing a little more on the troop movements in Georgia before I decide. I don't understand why Russia would stop short of replacing the Georgian leader since they indicated that is what they were going to do. Casualties were very low for this type of conflict, which leads me to believe that the fighting was not as heavy as reported, and that Russia did not face the main body of the Georgian Army. But really, that is conjecture, and I'll reserve my judgment for later. The fact that the leaders of several of the former Soviet Republics gathered in the Georgian capitol to condemn Russia and support Georgia might be a clue.

[Fred Beloit]

May I suggest that anyone who wants some ideas about what to do about the Georgia situation read this brilliant piece:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDcwY2I4MjhjMTc0Y2Y4ZmJmMWNmNzJlOTA0Y2MxYjg=&w=MA==

Meanwhile, may I suggest one action that is absolutely essential and basic. Keep Obama out of the White House. He has his charms, but one of them isn't being a wartime, even a cold wartime, leader.

And now two questions:
Libs, we need your advice and counsel on some issues:
(1) Why didn't Russia go to the UN over the Georgia problem?
(2) If they completely ignore the UN, shouldn't they be kicked out of the UN? Especially kicked out of the Security Counsel...in spite of their veto power? (Please don't tell me we ignored the UN over Iraq. We went to them time and time again with our hat in our hand.)

[Worst President Ever]

Show Me the Money.

Sen. John McCain's top foreign policy adviser prepped his boss for an April 17 phone call with the president of Georgia and then helped the presumptive Republican presidential nominee prepare a strong statement of support for the fledgling republic.

The day of the call, a lobbying firm partly owned by the adviser, Randy Scheunemann, signed a $200,000 contract to continue providing strategic advice to the Georgian government in Washington.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/12/AR2008081202932.html

[Fred Beloit]

Worst, how about you? You seem to be interested in foreign affairs.
(1) Why didn't Russia go to the UN over the Georgia problem?
(2) If they completely ignore the UN, shouldn't they be kicked out of the UN? Especially kicked out of the Security Counsel...in spite of their veto power? (Please don't tell me we ignored the UN over Iraq. We went to them time and time again with our hat in our hand.)

[Fred Beloit]

Boob...nah. The Boob is not serious. Moe, whatcha tink, buddy?
(1) Why didn't Russia go to the UN over the Georgia problem?
(2) If they completely ignore the UN, shouldn't they be kicked out of the UN? Especially kicked out of the Security Counsel...in spite of their veto power? (Please don't tell me we ignored the UN over Iraq. We went to them time and time again with our hat in our hand.)

[Fred Beloit]

Temp, I saw one report by an on-the-scene American reporter that showed Georgian mil vehicles undamaged and abandoned on a major road with ammo on deck still in their boxes. I don't know if this was a sign of general panic, but it sure looked like specific panic.

[Worst President Ever]

(1) Why didn't Russia go to the UN over the Georgia problem?

Looked at a map lately? Ever hear of Sphere of Influence? Russia had "peacekeepers" in Ossetia and Georgia started shelling them. They didn't need to go to the UN because Georgia started the war.

The real question is why did Georgia provoke a militarily superior Russia. Had they been told the US would come to their rescue via Bush or McCain's advisors? Or is Saakashvili really just an idiot?

[Fred Beloit]

"Russia had "peacekeepers" in Ossetia and Georgia started shelling them. They didn't need to go to the UN because Georgia started the war."

Thanks, Worst, it is always heartwarming to witness the beginnings of a Big Lie. Belgium attacks Germany. Hitler decides to defend Germany. Sure, sure. Please submit a time line of events and I'll reply with one.

[seekeronos]

"--- Casualties were very low for this type of conflict, which leads me to believe that the fighting was not as heavy as reported, and that Russia did not face the main body of the Georgian Army. ---"

This does seem rather odd.

At first glance, I'll say that the Georgian General Staff/High Command decided that it might be better to pull everything back into a "final stand" perimeter around Tblisi; and with various national leaders travelling into Tblisi to meet with Georgian President Saakashvili, it might give the Russians pause about taking the capital to install their own military dictatorship/puppet government ala Hungary 1956 or Prague 1968; it would drastically increase the likelihood that the US and NATO (if not the UN: Useless Nabobs) might get involved.

What I think would be best in order would be for Russia to pull her troops back over the (1991) Russian border, and for Georgia to stand down its military outside of the disputed break-away regions, and allow them a referendum on either independence or annexation to Russia.

It just doesn't make much sense (beyond the oil resources involved) to compel a people to remain a part of a nation that they do not feel themselves to be a part of; whether that be the Georgians as a former Soviet Republic, or the South Ossetians and Abkhazians as a part of Georgia.

"--- Temp, I saw one report by an on-the-scene American reporter that showed Georgian mil vehicles undamaged and abandoned on a major road with ammo on deck still in their boxes. I don't know if this was a sign of general panic, but it sure looked like specific panic. ---"

This does seem to be a bit odd. I wonder if this was just an isolated group of vehicles, or a much more widespread surrender panic equivalent to the Iraqi army surrendering en masse when they saw wave upon wave of A-10s and Strike Eagles baring down on them.

And if this were an invasion, one might also think that a "scorched earth" policy to deny the Russkies of any possible assets they could use, to include demolishing any nuke plants (or removing the nuclear fuel) or setting any oil infrastructure ablaze the Russkies might not be willing to let go of later.

The only rule that Russians have historically played by is that of total war. Even now, one can be reasonably sure that Russian soldiers are happily raping and looting the territory under their control under the approving eye of their commissars, and ethnically cleansing as they see fit; bands of irregulars are mopping up whatever is left.

This could be a very close mirror to our actions in the Yugoslav-o-sphere, and the Russkies will likely exact a terrible revenge by proxy.

This is also shaping up to be a game of brinkmanship, classic Soviet style, as Russia will test the limits (and the overextension) of the US as it sees whether or not it can leapfrog across Eurasia to reclaim its old "sphere of influence", i.e. the Cold War Soviet borders.

[Worst President Ever]

I'm not defending Russia and I really don't know enough about all the politics involved. Long-term, I'm sure Russia wanted something like this. Short-term, it was stupid of Georgia to attack Ossetia and give Russia an excuse for war.

You also have to wonder why the Bush Administration supported Georgia's application for NATO membership - even getting it fast-track status - if they weren't going to stand behind them when the going got tough. They had to understand the politics of the region and know the implicit dangers.

But with a military largely bogged down in Iraq fighting World War IV, there's not much more that we could do beyond paper saber-rattling.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article4498709.ece

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/10/weekinreview/10traub.html

[Fred Beloit]

seek, "It just doesn't make much sense (beyond the oil resources involved) to compel a people to remain a part of a nation that they do not feel themselves to be a part of..."

Do re mi mi mi I wish I were in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten, look away, look away, look away, Dixieland.

[Fred Beloit]

Here is the time line I believe, Worst. Where's yours?

http://larussophobe.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/special-extra-%e2%80%94-editorial-the-facts-on-georgia/

[seekeronos]

"--- (1) Why didn't Russia go to the UN over the Georgia problem?

Looked at a map lately? Ever hear of Sphere of Influence? Russia had "peacekeepers" in Ossetia and Georgia started shelling them. They didn't need to go to the UN because Georgia started the war. ---"

Russia sees no need to go to the UN because it simply isn't beholden to the UN; it hasn't got to worry (too much) about its worldwide image: what Russia wants, it takes.

Up to a certain limit. And since Georgia is about as much in Russia's sphere of influence as Mexico or even Cuba is in ours, an attack on those "peacekeepers" is received about as much as a Cuban attack on Gitmo to free the captives (as well as gain control of that wee bit of Cuban territory) might be: Havana would be in smoking ruins within days if not hours of such an attack.

And I don't think either Barry or Johnny Mac would bother with a UN consultation.

Of course, there is the possibility that Putin wants to base nuclear TU-95 bombers in Cuba with ordnance - which is supposedly an answer to our anti-Iran missile shield in the ex-Soviet states that has Putin's panties in a twist.

And it would certainly merit our next CinC's attention, should Putin decide to expand his reach into our backyard to counter our ongoing reach into his (or rather, his perception of the same).

As much as is made of Obama as being the next JFK, I wonder how he would have faired in 1962? Because Putin seems to be rather intent on being the second coming of either Khrushchev or Stalin.

[seekeronos]

"--- Do re mi mi mi I wish I were in the land of cotton, old times there are not forgotten, look away, look away, look away, Dixieland. ---"

Indeed, my argument would apply there as well. Of course, history repeats itself if after a fashion, with some twists: some might be willing to argue, that the CSA's firing of the first shots at Ft. Sumter were as much a mistake as Saakashvili's decision to reign in South Ossetia and risk firing upon Russian peace keepers.

I for one, would have been interested to see how the CSA could have seceded without first resorting to military force, and appealing to Europe (particularly the French & British) who had considerable interests in the Southern cotton trade. It might have lead to the North firing the first shots, which would have made a better case for the depiction of Lincoln and the Union Army as a bunch of hidebound tyrants.

[Worst President Ever]

I'm not defending Russia - I'm saying it was stupid of Georgia to give Putin, who has an overwhelming military advantage, an excuse to invade.

Russia if #4 on this list, Georgia #80.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops

"TBILISI (AFP) — Violent clashes were underway Friday in South Ossetia as Georgia said its forces had surrounded the capital of the breakaway region."

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5jYiEYd_roDGOs5KuDVRoapNY-pTw

[Fred Beloit]

"Russia sees no need to go to the UN because it simply isn't beholden to the UN; it hasn't got to worry (too much) about its worldwide image: what Russia wants, it takes."

Correct, seek, but we aren't beholden to the UN either, quite the reverse. Yet we went to the UN numerous times before Iraq2. Why aren't the Lefties hollering about Russia not going to the UN before going to war? Simple. It doesn't fit their world narrative of the Left, namely "It should be true". We bad and it's Bush's fault the Russians attacked. If anyone doesn't believe this, go to Newshoggers and read what one of the hogs (BJ) has written about it.

[Spartan112]

"As much as is made of Obama as being the next JFK, I wonder how he would have faired in 1962? Because Putin seems to be rather intent on being the second coming of either Khrushchev or Stalin."

I'm guessing he'd fare better than the guy who had to plagiarize Wikipedia for his response to the invasion.

[Worst President Ever]

Geez Fred, do you understand how Bush used supposed violations of UN resolutions to make the case for war?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

"The resolution "supported" and "encouraged" diplomatic efforts by President George W. Bush to "strictly enforce through the U.N. Security Council all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq" and "obtain prompt and decisive action by the Security Council to ensure that Iraq abandons its strategy of delay, evasion, and noncompliance and promptly and strictly complies with all relevant Security Council resolutions regarding Iraq." The resolution authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."inspections confirming compliance."

[templar knight]

seek and Fred, it looks like the Russians are going to press their advantage. I was looking around earlier today, and saw where Georgia had been seeking help a few weeks ago because of a ratcheting up of tensions due to shelling from Ossetia. Why the Georgians thought now was the time to attack is baffling, considering the forces Russia had at its disposal. I also noticed that the Georgian government's internet sites had come under attack. I have little doubt that Georgia had been provoked into taking foolish action. I'm just surprised they fell into the Russian trap.

And with the US busy in the ME, I don't see why this crisis was not handled by our European allies. It's as if these countries are incapable of doing anything militarily. I believe a Third World country could conquer Europe were it not for the US forces stationed there. Europeans should be ashamed of their weak response to this crisis.

[Fred Beloit]

"Geez Fred, do you understand how Bush used supposed violations of UN resolutions to make the case for war?."

That self-contradictory argument has been made many times, and always was answered by laughter. Sooooooooo, hahahha. Bush the dumb evil genius able to manipulate the entire UN. Get better, Worst.

[templar knight]

"Get better, Worst."

ROTFLMAO!

[seekeronos]

"--- And with the US busy in the ME, I don't see why this crisis was not handled by our European allies. It's as if these countries are incapable of doing anything militarily. I believe a Third World country could conquer Europe were it not for the US forces stationed there. Europeans should be ashamed of their weak response to this crisis. ---"

For the Euros, it simply boils down to this:

"Who would want to die for a tiny former soviet republic of no consequence"?

Mind you, a decent amount of oil rolls thru Georgia; but if the Russkies control it, it only adds to their existing energy monopoly in Eurasia.

At the end of the day in Brussels, it matters not who controls it so long as the gas pipes from GAZPROM are still running.