Updated: Obama's Most "Gut-wrenching Moment" Never Happened!!

Update: I linked to the msm item that characterized it as a "vote." There's also this - it doesn't use the word "vote." But frankly, decision seems a reach, too - unless you're simply calculating your way to the White House back in 2002. Obama didn't make any decisions of real consequence regarding Iraq. He may have had opinions. But not only has he had a pass on any real decision-making - it isn't like he's been an anti-war leader either. While he may skate on this one, if having an opinion on the Iraq War while you're presumably doing your job as some local legislator back in Illinois at the time was his "most gut-wrenching decision," the guy hasn't been tested at all. Either way, this is just political gamesmanship by Obama and nothing akin to getting to know the man. What a farcical response, looking to inject his opposition to the war into debate for whatever purpose, instead of taking the question on for real.

Asked first what was the most gut-wrenching decision he's ever had to make, Obama said it was that he "agonized" over his opposition to the Iraq war. He said that while he was "firmly convinced" there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq at the start of the war, it was also clear that Saddam Hussein "was a really bad person" who wanted to do the United States great harm. "You do everything you can to get that decision right," Obama said. "All those questions surrounding the war have been very difficult for me."

Tonight with Rick Warren, Obawon-calliope said this:

Obama said the most gut-wrenching decision of his life was to vote against the Iraq War. McCain said it was when he declined an offer to leave a prison camp in Vietnam.

Obama didn't vote against the Iraq War. He wasn't even in the Senate! Am I  missing something here? Did he somehow qualify this to make it true? Or was it simply made up?

Obama was not in the Senate at the time of the vote but opposed the war from the start. He has proposed a phased withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq to be completed by the end of March 2008, and he told reporters he was uncertain how Clinton intended to end the conflict.

Comments

[Roy Mustang]

Obama had his chance to come out against the war during the 2004 Democrat Convention. Instead, he says he agreed with Bush and thinks we should stay in Iraq.

[ET]

Obama is a figment of his own imagination. Narcissism, fully actualized. Be very afraid.

[Watching and Laughing]

So, you got it wrong at the outset. You were too sloppy to double-check your source. Instead of coming out and saying you were wrong, you simply transfer the insult. I guess being a lunatic wingnut means never having to say you're sorry, right Mr. Corsi?

[Capitalist Infidel]

Obama is nothing more than a pathological liar.

[Spartan112]

Is anyone concerned that one of McCain's "three wisest people" was the founder of Ebay possibly the biggest front for fencing stolen good in the world?

[Dennis D]

Meg Whitmnans Ebay Idea was brilliant.

[Dennis D]

There is no way of knowing how Obama would have voted on the Iraq War Resolution regardless of what his stated position was. Lets remember he also verbally opposed warrantless wiretaps until it came to a vote and he supported them.

[eaglewingz08]

The Obamanation could have at least said his most gut wrenching decision was either allowing infants born alive from botched abortions to die in soiled utility rooms, or being against the surge.

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

"Obama had his chance to come out against the war during the 2004 Democrat Convention. Instead, he says he agreed with Bush and thinks we should stay in Iraq."

You're right. Winning and having 3/4's of a country championing us is awful. I mean 3/4's of a country? What's that? You guys got the messiah the nomination with a 1/4 of that (and barely any Florida or Michigan to boot). We should have run away in Iraq much earlier. Ya, know...when it hurt us the most...and helped Iran... and Democrats...and the NYT stock price...

So sad.

..."right Mr. Corsi?"

Fine. We get saddled with him, you take the PaulBots, the rest of the TRUTHERS and Lincoln Chafee...

But look at me! I'm repeating myself.

But watch out. Those Paulbots hate them some darkies.

No worries. They hate McCain more.

Sing along Spartan, you know this tune.

BTW 112, for breakfast, I had 2 eggs over easy, applewood smoked bacon, and homemade colby/jack/jalepeno cornbread.

Now I'm smoking a Cohiba on the back deck.

There's carbon everywhere!!

You're jealous aren't you, ya (possibly vegan), sometimes mouthy liberal?

That's the same Sunday breakfast Dick Cheney has (except I didn't make the 'newborn kitten gravy').

Only so many skillets, and I couldn't get to the 'Just One Square-Sheryl Crow Kitty Pound' this morning.

Don't tell your friends you sorta made nice (for a minute) with one of those awful conservative-libertarians.

Seriously. You could get kicked out of that sweet hook up club of yours in Caimbridge.

Isn't it great when the jokes are true?

[Concerned Citizen]

Obama wasn't a US Senator at the time of the vote. Period.

Obama did NOT vote against the war.

In addition, when asked how he WOULD have voted, Obama responded that he DID NOT KNOW.

There used to be a video on YouTube titled, "The Iraq War Video Barack Obama Does not Want You to See."

The video consisted of various news clips and showed Obama's various stances on the war.

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

"The video consisted of various news clips and showed Obama's various stances on the [Iraq] war."

I got $50 bucks says if you can find the video, it can easily be set to the song, 'The Twelve Days of Christmas.'

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

"Obama wasn't a US Senator at the time of the vote. Period."

So. He's 'The One.' HE's everywhere. HE was still 'in' the Senate at that time.

I mean, duh? Black Jesus, people.

HE was just getting a handle on 'HIS' committees.

Like Banking & Finance.

Fine, fine. It actually happened in an office in Chicago.

But he had four puppets and a Glen Greenwald.

Movers, and shakers.

From that desk in Chicago, he totally owned Congressional Banking & Finance.

Andrew Sullivan sat out front as a little one man gallery and told him so.

Waived his little hands and everything...

Andrew also said Obama's penis tasted like strawberry waffles, but that was technically stricken from the record.

Boooo.

[Spartan112]

"BTW 112, for breakfast, I had 2 eggs over easy, applewood smoked bacon, and homemade colby/jack/jalepeno cornbread.

Now I'm smoking a Cohiba on the back deck.

There's carbon everywhere!!

You're jealous aren't you, ya (possibly vegan), sometimes mouthy liberal?"

The last thing I am is vegan...though I love vegetarians, they taste great with a little bbq sauce.

As for your smoking habits, I gave that up years ago and it had nothing to do with carbon emmisions
I just decided I wanted to live. And earlier you claimed to be having huevos rancheros, which is it? Are you flip flopping on breakfast? I had oatmeal (steel cut if you must know) with some splenda, cinnamon and raisins. Then out for 30 miles followed by an eggwhite flatbread sandwich and an iced coffee.

"Don't tell your friends you sorta made nice (for a minute) with one of those awful conservative-libertarians."

I make nice with lots of conservative types, I work for rich people.

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

"I just decided I wanted to live."

You've obviously never had a Cuban cigar.

..."earlier you claimed to be having huevos rancheros, which is it?"

I had fresh tomatoes and onions but no cilantro. So I went with the fried eggs & meat counter bacon with fresh tomato slices on the side (and put the cheese & jalepenos in the cornbread).

Good lord! Did your sissy Massachusetts breakfast come with a plastic Jenna Jameson vagina in the oatmeal box?

You know you're gonna grow breasts if you keep eating that Kashi/ Flatbread/ Eggwhite/ Cinnamon & Raisins crap.

..."I work for rich people."

Hell, don't we all.

[Fred Beloit]

"He[Obama] said that while he was "firmly convinced" there were no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq at the start of the war,..."

This is a very, very curious thing. The entire apparatus of Western intelligence and every leader of each party thought Iraq had WMD. How is possible that, or who firmly convinced Obie that (and how was he convinced), there were no WMD in Iraq? I want to hear him explain this.

[Fred Beloit]

Perhaps he heard this in a Chicago church. In that case, I would love to hear the preacher or priest explain it.

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

Alrighty, I have a tee time.

Spartan, you go get a manicure or something.

I'm just messing with you.

But seriously, go ahead and tuck in to that 'Joan Wilder' romance novel.

[Fred Beloit]

What happened, Dan? We used to be upside down, were righted, now upside down again or visa versa.

[Spartan112]

"You've obviously never had a Cuban cigar."

Nope, I don't break the law... ;-)

"Good lord! Did your sissy Massachusetts breakfast come with a plastic Jenna Jameson vagina in the oatmeal box?"

Since when is steel cut Irish oatmeal for sissies? And if it did come with the aforementioned vagina do you think I'd be here talking to you? Unlike you I didn't get any last night, I've been married for 12 years.

"You know you're gonna grow breasts if you keep eating that Kashi/ Flatbread/ Eggwhite/ Cinnamon & Raisins crap."

Nope, what I have done is successfully lose close to 100lbs and fixed my high cholesterol and high blood pressure. If that's sissy then I'm fine with that.

..."I work for rich people."

True, but the really funny part is I work for rich republicans in a state that's overwhelmingly democratic. The funniest part is not one of them would dream of living in a traditionally republican state.

Hell, don't we all.

[Spartan112]

"Alrighty, I have a tee time."

And you call me a sissy? Don't break a sweat there Tiger...err should I say Fuzzy?

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

'This is a very, very curious thing. The entire apparatus of Western intelligence and every leader of each party thought Iraq had WMD. How is possible that, or who firmly convinced Obie that (and how was he convinced), there were no WMD in Iraq? I want to hear him explain this."

Ok, Fred. For the last time.

Black. Jesus.

'The One' has told you, the MSM has told you in spades, Access Hollywood & People Magazine have told you...

What's your problem Fred?

He's 'The One.'

He knows that he knows, what he knows, how he knows, where he knows, who he knows, who he still knows 'now,' who he knew 'back then,' who he 'used to' know, who 'are not who he knew,' and who are making clunking noise under the bus.

Only 'HE' (and 300 advisors) knows what the hell it all means.

And if you don't get that in a heartbeat and shave the word 'change' into your dog...

Well, Fred... you're a racist.

Like the rest of us apparently.

Better be a door prize.

[Lamontyoubigdummy]

"Nope, what I have done is successfully lose close to 100lbs and fixed my high cholesterol and high blood pressure."

Good on ya brother. That's good. Beyond good (discipline good).

I mountain bike, cross train, and play baseball and water polo in leagues, so I'm close to college weight. But I bet my cholesteral is fucking awful.

"Since when is steel cut Irish oatmeal for sissies?"

When it doesn't come with big, full, lumpy, dirty Irish potatos in it.

I guess it could have. Can't see your spoon.

"And you call me a sissy?"

Only because your breakfast was served with daiseys and tulips.

The sad part is Obama wouldn't eat it. He's fine with the flowers, but likes a good breakfast he can surrender to in the morning.

Black Jesus will quit about half way through a grapefruit.

Every time.

Without fail (so to speak).

[old trooper]

Attempting to run for President is way the hell above Obama's Pay Grade!

[Fred Beloit]

Spart, as you run up Mt. Greylock at top speed, here is something to muse upon:

"After the shooting, Johnson walked into the Arkansas Baptist State Convention building a few blocks down the street and pointed a gun at workers there before leaving.
Police gave chase when Johnson drove off in a blue Dodge pickup, and he was shot by police about 30 minutes later in Grant County, south of Little Rock, after he had shot at them, authorities said. He later died.
Johnson's motive for shooting Gwatney was unknown."

It is beginning to look like just another nut, as opposed to someone on a secret mission for Bush, , unless W has something against Baptists, don't you think? Get that apology ready, son.

[Worst President Ever]

Classy, make up a quote, then attack Obama for something he didn't say. Obama never said anything about voting, he said: I THINK THE OPPOSITION TO THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS AS TOUGH A DECISION THAT I'VE HAD TO MAKE NOT ONLY BECAUSE THERE WERE POLITICAL CONSEQUENCES.

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt

Catch the part where McCain answered the question about his greatest moral lapse being his first marraige. He could have gone with the Keating Five there, but I guess adultery trumps selling your vote.

[Spartan112]

Spart, as you run up Mt. Greylock at top speed, here is something to muse upon:

"After the shooting, Johnson walked into the Arkansas Baptist State Convention building a few blocks down the street and pointed a gun at workers there before leaving.
Police gave chase when Johnson drove off in a blue Dodge pickup, and he was shot by police about 30 minutes later in Grant County, south of Little Rock, after he had shot at them, authorities said. He later died.
Johnson's motive for shooting Gwatney was unknown."

It is beginning to look like just another nut, as opposed to someone on a secret mission for Bush, , unless W has something against Baptists, don't you think? Get that apology ready, son.

We'll see, and you might want to bone up on your latin. Mea Culpa is not an apology.

Oh, and I'm a Mt. Wachusett guy. Greylock is too far away for my taste.

[Spartan112]

This quote from a recent classmate of his puts him in a different light.

"I would always remember going to class and I would see that he had a Bill Clinton anti-campaign sticker [on his car] that says I don't miss Bill. "He would surf the internet and he would see that a Democrat had died and he would laugh about it."

[Worst President Ever]

Here's a quote from Rick Warren that, unlike Dan's, is actually accurate. When he mentions demonizing, think about sites that manufacture bogus quotes then use that magic quote as a basis for an attack.

Rick Warrens says:

“We believe in the separation of church and state, but we do not believe in the separation of faith and politics,” Warren said. “I don’t happen to agree with everything either of the candidates teach or believe, but they both care deeply about America. They’re both patriots and they have very different views on how our nation can be strengthened. We’ve got to learn to disagree without demonizing each other and we need to restore civility in our civil discourse and that’s the goal of the Saddleback Civil Forum.”

[Fred Beloit]

Of course, Spart:
"me·a cul·pa (m klp, m)
n.
An acknowledgment of a personal error or fault.
[Latin me culp, through my fault : me, feminine ablative of meus, my + culp, ablative of culpa, fault.]"

Very sloppy of me. So, you won't say, "Fred, sorry, I was wrong." You will instead say, "Fred, it was my fault"? OK, I'll take it. My question is, when will you say those sweet words?

Remember the issue is this:
"How do you know that the gunman was a conservative, Spartan? Has the gunman's identity been released yet?
Posted by: seekeronos | Wednesday, August 13, 2008 at 11:35 PM

He had a gun right?
Posted by: Spartan112 | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 08:21 AM

Spart has just committed Boob/Harpo suicide. I knew Spart was a mokes, I didn't know until now that it is deliberate.
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 08:43 AM

I am kidding about that last, but I bet we find out he had "issues" with the liberal agenda.
Posted by: Spartan112 | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 09:21 AM

Fred, I have to say that I am a tad disappointed in our good friend Spartan. Surely his Michigan State education would have instructed him roundly on the avoidance of ad hominem attacks to support his argument.
So now we are forced to conclude that "all gun-owning men" are conservatives.
I wonder if anyone has considered the politics of that famous gunman, Lee Harvey Oswald.
I'm sure that there are other liberals who have access to weapons, who might be moved to use them to further their aims, given the guilt-free opportunity.
Posted by: seekeronos | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 09:37 AM

If I'm wrong I'll offer my mea culpa, will you do the same?
Posted by: Spartan112 | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 09:43 AM

"If I'm wrong I'll offer my mea culpa, will you do the same?"
A qualified yes. The issues must be fairly clear, however.
Posted by: Fred Beloit | Thursday, August 14, 2008 at 11:36 AM

[Spartan112]

Are the issues clear yet? I posted a quote from a classmate of his that indicated that he was anti-democrat sporting an anti-Clinton sticker on his car and laughing at the deaths of prominant dems. You'll get my Mea Culpa when it's clear I was wrong and not before.

[seekeronos]

Liberal Rule #1:

"Never admit you are wrong".