Bush To G-8: I Fart In Your General Direction

LMAO - How can you not like a guy like this? And, um, by the way, China is now the world's largest air polluter. Suppose the liberals, or many in the media will be pointing that out? Obama is said to be sequestered with his family and whomever his Pastor is today to deal with his incredible embarrassment over the remark. He's also reportedly squirreling away his nuts ... just in case Reverend Jackson pays a call to, ahem, minister to him.

President George Bush signed off with a defiant farewell over his refusal to accept global climate change targets at his last G8 summit.

As he prepared to fly out from Japan, he told his fellow leaders: "Goodbye from the world's biggest polluter."

Comments

[Anne]

They brought their problems on themselves. Cook wanted to make a statement. Myers thought he was being funny. They thought everyone would enjoy the joke.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- They brought their problems on themselves. --"

They brought what on themselves? The death threats you claim are fake? The explosive vomit that was The Catholic League's hissy fit? I suppose, in a sense, this is true. But then anyone with a blog will have "brought their problems on themselves" if one of its readers decides to have a psychotic meltdown.

I've managed to refrain from sending Dan emails with graphic descriptions of violence attached. If he was employed, I think I'd have it in me to keep from constantly emailing his boss with demands that he be fired. This is how normal, rational people act in a civil society.

Sadly, when you live in a society composed of religious fanatics and blood-crazied loonies, you take your life into your own hands when you violate the sanctity of God's Fig Newton. So, in that sense, you're absolutely right. Don't bring raw meat into a bear cage if you don't want to get mauled. If PZ Myers or the wonder kid wanted to avoid this sort of flare up, they should have done it away in Norway or Madagascar or Canada or something, where they'd be safe. Silly them.

[Fred Beloit]

Wow, wow, wowie, wow. Extra, extra read all about it: ISLAMOMOE IS OK WITH DESECRATING RELIGIOUS OBJECTS. This is great. Ok, Gitmo guards, let's start smearing those Korans with bacon slices and jamming them down toilets. Moe calls open season on religious disrespect.

[Fred Beloit]

"Seriously, though. If churches don't want their magic bread crumbs getting desecrated, perhaps they should stop handing them out."

Moe's suggested policy for the Gitmo inmates is, if Moslims don't want their Korans desecrated, they should stop leaving them lying around.

[Anne]

Llama,
Let me know when the death threats are substantiated.

[Anne]

Maybe it's a full moon problem going on.

http://cityhallblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/07/dallas-county-meeting-turns-ra.html

"Commissioner Kenneth Mayfield, who is white, said it seemed that central collections "has become a black hole" because paperwork reportedly has become lost in the office.

Commissioner John Wiley Price, who is black, interrupted him with a loud "Excuse me!" He then corrected his colleague, saying the office has become a "white hole."

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Ok, Gitmo guards, let's start smearing those Korans with bacon slices and jamming them down toilets. Moe calls open season on religious disrespect. --"

I did not realize that Gitmo prisoners were giving away their Korans. But please, stretch my statement as far as you can carry it. Really, it takes a brave man to go into the cell of a tortured prison (wearing full riot gear, and surrounded by four or five armed buddies) to beat up a man and take the holy book that you provided him in the first place.

Goes to show what the War on Terror is really about. Beating up little guys. It's become the trade mark of the Republican Party - from Tom DeLay to Jack Abramoff, Bill Donahoue to Bill O'Reily - and its costing you voters like you wouldn't believe.

Really, it takes some sick heads to use some guy stomping on a cracker in the states as an excuse to torture a government kidnap victim at a prison camp in Communist Cuba.

If you want to piss on the Koran, Fred, just swing by your local Barnes and Noble. Pick out one you like, drop down a few bucks, take it back home, and go to town. Free country. You've got every right in the world to eat the Koran, pee on the Koran, tear out all the pages and have hot multi-partner sex on a Koran-laden bed. Then blog about it when you're done. Whatever makes you happy. Yeah, if you want to, I say go nuts. Maybe once you're done, you'll feel a little sillier praying to the Bible. At least you won't have to worry about some wanna-be Pope trying to get you fired.

[seekeronos]

This item over the communion host is far out of proportion to what it really means:

The communion host (the wafer) is in itself just a wafer. After the priest (according to the Catholic tradition) says the mass, specifically, the Liturgy of the Eucharist, Catholics believe that the wafer is LITERALLY transformed into the body of Christ.

Now while I believe that this is not biblically sound (in that the Lord's Supper is meant to be a symbol of Jesus' sacrifice on the cross), keep in mind that to those in that Catholic church, stealing that wafer (and later stamping on it) was an act of aggression against Christ.

Some argue that it is a "Catholic problem" for letting the priest give the communicants the host into their hands, as opposed to the Tridentine or pre-Vatican II practice of placing the consecrated hosts into the communicants' mouths.

Now perhaps there is something to that; however, it does not excuse the young interloper who went and stole the host, nor the heathen atheist prof who cheered him on.

Nor does it excuse those Catholics who are ready to burn those tow offensive clods at the stake: excommunication, statements of outrage, and possibly even a lawsuit against the young man for his activity.

I'm not sure how such a lawsuit would take shape, but anything might have been better for the cameras and the newsies than to see people issuing death threats over a communion wafer.

Given the overall anti-Christian bent of our legal system, it would protected as "free speech" in the same moment that basting Korans with bacon grease and flushing them down the loo is considered the height of hate speech.

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@ WPE: If there is a question of hypocrisy... it is in your own statement.

"--- Obama's a church-going, god-fearing Christian. He's not a Muslim... ---"

Well, we don't know the man's heart, or if he ever made a confession of Jesus Christ as his Lord, and subsequently walked in obedience to Christ. Now THAT is what defines a Christian. As far as his actions go, I do not see much evidence of his trying to reach out to the lost, or to exalt the name of Christ in what he does: I believe that he is what we could call a "census form Christian", one who claims it for the sake of impressing those around him, particularly the people whose votes he would court.

And as an elite, educated liberal, most of whom reject the gospel as fantasy as much as you (appear) to, there is no pressing need for him to appeal to their "christianity". Rather, he meets with the other elites, and disparages those who do "cling to their bibles" as simpletons and rubes, almost beneath his contempt.

Hardly the sort of Christlike humility one would expect out of a long-time saint who has given himself to the Lord's work, and closer to the megalomaniac arrogance of a man who believes himself to be the "anointed messiah" of this age.

And let's not forget his connections to the corrupt Chicago Democratic Machine, and Tony Rezko.

As for the muslim charges, who knows what Obama learned while at that madrassa? Whatever it was, it is not unreasonable to say that it might yet still affect his thinking and his belief system. I actually do not think that it is really that important at this point; as I said before, I brought it out to poke fun at an earlier commenter whose only response to something further downthread was a snarky remark about Obama's muslim middle name.

The socialist item, though... hits a bit closer to home:

"--- ... He's hasn't been indoctrinated. He's not a socialist. He's not a communist. ---"

Bill Ayers, Weatherman. Working with the neo-Marxist "direct action" (a.k.a. terror and intimidation) group, ACORN. Endorsements from members of the DSUSA (Democratic Socialists of the USA). Connections to Louis Farrakhan and the NOI. Radical Black Liberation Theology churches which he tried to pass off as "mainstream" churches.

He's an American politician who's political views are in the main-stream of public opinion. ---"

I'll gve you partial credit on this one: He is a typical American politician.

Wheich means that he is as slimy as an oiled-up eel, and triangulates as good as Hillary ever did, flip-flopping in a way that would make a pair of sandals dizzy.

Skewing to the centre long enough to enrage to KosKidz and the socialists, and veering back just in time to make the centrists lerry of him. He is holding his truly leftist ideas in check, whereas during the primaries he was free to kiss up to the Kos Kidz.

He has to play closer to the centre in order to get the most voters, such as the "Obamacons" or ex-Hillarites teetering between their abject rage at Obama and disgust for Mccain.

Obama could feed the Kos Kidz poop sandwiches from now until 4th November... and they would still vote for him over McCain, no matter what.

Wait for 20 January, 2009. You'll see Obama's twists on Marxism in full bloom, assuming the Dems clean up a supermajority in both houses of Congress.

Oh, and if you don't like the term "Marxism", as an 19th century philosophy that gave birth to collectivist totalitarianism of the 20th century may not accurately reflect the Democratic Socialism popular in Europe and much of Latin America today, I'll make a concession here and call him what he is: a Democratic Socialist.

This site might actually be more your speed, no?

http://www.dsausa.org/dsa.html

[seekeronos]

Excerpt from the Democratic Socialists' FAQ document at http://www.dsausa.org/pdf/widemsoc.pdf

"---
Q. Aren’t you a party that’s in competition with the Democratic Party for votes and support?

No, we are not a separate party. Like our friends and allies in the feminist, labor, civil rights, religious, and
community organizing movements, many of us have been active in the Democratic Party. We work with those movements
to strengthen the party’s left wing, represented by the Congressional Progressive Caucus.

The process and structure of American elections seriously hurts third party efforts. Winner-take-all elections
instead of proportional representation, rigorous party qualification requirements that vary from state to state, a presidential instead of a parliamentary system, and the two-party monopoly on political power have doomed third party
efforts. Maybe sometime in the future, in coalition with our allies, an alternative national party will be viable. For now, we will continue to support progressives who have a real chance at winning elections, which usually means left-wing Democrats.
---"

p. 3 of "What is Democratic Socialism? Questions and Answers from the Democratic Socialists of America"

Hmmm. Makes you wonder, don't it?

[Worst President Ever]

Your opinion, as usual, says more about your extreme right-wign views than it does about Obama.

First, Obama will probably get over 60 million votes this November. Your candidate, Chuck Balkwin, will be lucky to get 1% of of that. By definition, Obama is mainstream, you're not.

I'm betting Obama's done a lot more to advanced Christian causes then you. After graduating from college, Obama worked for three years with a church-based organization in Chicago. If elected, he plans on giving more money and flexability to faith-based groups. http://www.startribune.com/politics/22796734.html.

He's said numerous times that he's accepted Christ into his life. If you have proof that he's lying, post it.

As for Marxism, I'm still waiting for those links you promised to substantiate your claim that Obama's praised Castro, Che, etc.

[seekeronos]

"--- Your opinion, as usual, says more about your extreme right-wign views than it does about Obama.

First, Obama will probably get over 60 million votes this November. Your candidate, Chuck Baldwin, will be lucky to get 1% of of that. By definition, Obama is mainstream, you're not. ---"

This has much less to do with America's political compass or our respective places on it. I define the "middle" as being that area McCain and Hillary were going after (which is itself a revision of what I had earlier gauged in the Reagan era: I'll admit that the centre of Mainstream American politics has shifted leftward in the wake of Bush's stupid policies. Much to what may prove to be our lasting regret).

This does have more to do with what the MSM has to say about where it thinks America's mainstream is, and by that, its tendency to skew things much farther left than is really typical. As a result, Constitutionalists and paleoconservatives have been painted as ultra-right wing kooks since William F. Buckley so eloquently drummed the "far right", the faction that once embraced Robert Taft and Cal Coolidge, out of the GOP.

Moreover, that same MSM shuts out and shouts down any discourse or discussion or views from paleocons like Dr. Ron Paul (who won straw poll after straw poll in the primaries, but was effectively blacked out and marginalized as "that whacky guy who some white supremacists gave money to" or the "anti-tax nut".

Bob Barr and Chuck Baldwin are lucky to get 30min of coverage on the MSM at all.

That same MSM is tripping all over itself to swing the picture even further to the left, so that the ultra-leftist Obama becomes the center-line candidate against another "neo-conservative" socialist liberal, John McCain.

"--- I'm betting Obama's done a lot more to advanced Christian causes then you. ---"

And I very much hope that he is: for to whom much has been given, much shall be required. A man of his wealth *should* be tithing and/or helping out those less fortunate. However, the Lord is not concerned with our bank accounts as He is with our hearts.

If a man gives and gives and blows his own horn about it, Jesus said that he will have had his reward right then for it, i.e the moment of hubris. But God shall be the judge of Obama's walk with the Lord, if such is the case.

I have my doubts that he is a genuine Christian though. I do not see him taking a stand against the murder of unborn children, nor against sodomy or the glorification of the sodomite lifestyle... nor, for that matter, does he stand against the destruction of the family via no-fault divorces and the tolerance and even glorification of the putrefying influences of Hollywood and its depraved pop culture upon our youth.

"--- If elected, he plans on giving more money and flexability to faith-based groups. ---"

The link you provide talks about him expanding upon Bush's "Faith Based Initiatives" to give taxpayer dollars to churches. Funny, I thought as a liberal who just hates church and state from getting within a furlong's distance of the other, that you'd oppose this.

I do, and I'm not even a liberal. How about we lower taxes instead, stop spending money on he more wasteful welfare programs, and let people tithe and give love offerings to the churches they belong to instead?

"--- He's said numerous times that he's accepted Christ into his life. If you have proof that he's lying, post it. ---"

You make the claim, as does he. Therefore, the burden of proof is upon thee. I never heard him make a confess of Jesus as his Lord.

"--- As for Marxism, I'm still waiting for those links you promised to substantiate your claim that Obama's praised Castro, Che, etc. ---"

I thought I provided a partial retraction: He is not a classical Marxist, but he seems to have an affinity for Marxist-styled plans for massive wealth re-distribution and expansive statism and big government interference.

As for his praise of Castro et. al. I don't believe I've said that. If I did, I then made a mistake. However, his ideas are not far from what they endorse. Collectivism. Statism. Limiting freedom of speech to naught but the official party line.

http://www.google.com/search?q=obama+marxist+roots&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

http://sharprightturn.wordpress.com/2008/04/14/thoughts-for-obama-the-real-reason-we-cling/

And take a look at an item I added here, a few dozen posts downthread about the Communist... erm, Democratic Socialist Party's goals.

[Fred Beloit]

Oh, a new low...I'm so ashamed. Moe writes these and other anti-religious insults and words in defense of the desecration of religious objects:

"...Sadly, when you live in a society composed of religious fanatics and blood-crazied[sic] loonies, you take your life into your own hands when you violate the sanctity of God's Fig Newton..."
"Hahahaha! He called the communion waffer a cracker! No mere mortal could attempt such a feat. Amazing! Astounding! Be he man or GOD?! PZ Myers for President!"
"Seriously, though. If churches don't want their magic bread crumbs getting desecrated, perhaps they should stop handing them out. Once you put the host in my hand, its my host, and I'll do with it as I please."

Only kidding. I'm not ashamed. Moe is not, like so many in the political party Moe supports, one to apologize for so many things they said and their ancestors have done. Moe has no sense of fairness nor regard for logic, and like Edith Piaf, Moe respects rien (nothing). And so, after writing his defense of insulting and desecrating items others hold sacred, when I point out that the Koran is such an item, Moe lashes out with this:

"Really, it takes a brave man to go into the cell of a tortured prison (wearing full riot gear, and surrounded by four or five armed buddies) to beat up a man and take the holy book that you provided him in the first place.
Goes to show what the War on Terror is really about. Beating up little guys. It's become the trade mark of the Republican Party - from Tom DeLay to Jack Abramoff, Bill Donahoue to Bill O'Reily - and its costing you voters like you wouldn't believe.
Really, it takes some sick heads to use some guy stomping on a cracker in the states as an excuse to torture a government kidnap victim at a prison camp in Communist Cuba."

I said absolutely nothing about beating someone up. But this overemotional and vicious nitwit accuses me of wanting to torture and beat up Gitmo war prisoners (non-Geneva version). What I showed was that Moe says it is OK to defame objects others hold sacred, and the Koran, which Moe and others hold sacred, is such an object.

[Fred Beloit]

I made a mistake below. Edith Piaf sang that she regretted nothing (Je ne regrette rien.). I typed respected instead of regretted.

"Non Je Ne Regrette Rien

Non, Rien De Rien, Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
Ni Le Bien Qu`on M`a Fait, Ni Le Mal
Tout Ca M`est Bien Egal
Non, Rien De Rien, Non, Je Ne Regrette Rien
C`est Paye, Balaye, Oublie, Je Me Fous Du Passe"

[Fred Beloit]

I'm afraid I have to point out one more error made by Moe.

"I did not realize that Gitmo prisoners were giving away their Korans."

The Gitmo guests, as I understand it, use Korans provided by the U.S. Government. They are our Korans, not theirs.

[Fred Beloit]

Sorry but Moe says so much and so often things that poison the brain that antidotes must be constantly administered:

"Sadly, when you live in a society composed of religious fanatics and blood-crazied[sic] loonies..."

What could this mean? What society does this poor soul live in, Zimbabwee? If I lived in such a place I would take all steps necessary to get the hell out of there.