Carlin Now As Dead As His Career

There was actually a time when I liked George Carlin - back in the 70's when he was fresh. The man did have a great creative mind and talent for comedy. Whenever I saw him in recent years, he was always spouting off about political garbage.

Not no mo.

Comments

[jharp]

That's pretty much what has happened.

Don't know how Woody Burton gets away with stuff like this.

"When we wrote this law we wrote it as a standard license plate costing no extra money"

Though he is correct that for the motorist who opts for the IGWT it is "costing no extra money". The only problem Mr. Burton is the plate does cost more than the standard issue plate and the taxpayers are picking up the difference.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- He (Carlin) is probably regretting his decision as he is consumed forever and ever by fire which he cannot see, and by worms which forever eat away at him and never die. --"

Yeah. Yeah. That'll show'm. Stupid George Carlin is in hell, cause he didn't love Jesus. And he's getting poked by pitch forks and raped by angry goatmen with pitchforks. My magic book told me so.

*sleeps better*

/crazy

[jahrp]

For you bible bangers out there please substitute "Allah is Great" and keep in mind your tax dollars are subsidizing it.

"It's our (ACLU) position still that the differential treatment afforded between the environmental plate and the `In God We Trust' plate ... is unconstitutional, that the Legislature doesn't have the power to say the `In God We Trust' plate is free whereas the environmental plate carries an administrative fee."

[IslamoLlama]

"-- "The BMV will continue its policy to offer all plate designs without promoting any one license plate design over another and will continue to offer the IGWT plate design at no additional charge, as outlined by the Indiana General Assembly," Stiver said. --"

That's a blatant load of crap. If I offer you three plates - one regular, one IGWT, and one environmental - and tell you the first two are standard price and the second costs $5 more, how am I not promoting the IGWT plate over the environmental plate? Phrased it another way, if you want a specialty plate with your name as the plate number, and I charge you $5 extra for plates with girl names while making plates with boy names free, would I be discriminating based on sex? I mean, come on, who do you think you're fooling?

"-- The ACLU suit had nothing to do with religion, although some think the green movement is a religion unto itself. Special groups in Indiana pay a fee for their special plates, the fee goes to a fund for the group. There does not seem to be a fund for the In God We Trust people unless maybe Indiana would like to have each person contribute the fee to a religious institution of their choice.

I was unable to determine if the plates actually cost more to manufacture than the old standard Indiana plates. I read that someone said the difference was 50 cents. --"

Assuming the plates are different, I think we can safely claim that they cost more. Assuming they all cost more to produce, it makes sense that all specialty plates should have an additional surcharge in proportion to the cost of printing.

And environmentalism is a religion now? Are we going to equate recycling with attending church? Buying a fuel efficient car with paying tithe? Did Al Gore become the new Jesus?

Why is environmentalism so hard to wrap a brain around? You clean your house. You don't dump trash on your front lawn. You generally appreciate air you can breath and water you can drink. You don't go around killing squirrels for fun (I would hope). A movement of people who want to keep backyards free of trash, keep air inhalable and water potable, and don't appreciate killing wild animals would seem like common sense to me. Instead it becomes a pseudo-cult of "believers"? Really?

[seekeronos]

"--- I don't think you understand. You don't choose to believe or not believe.

You either believe or you don't.

Don't you think the non believers would like to believe? After all, heaven sounds pretty good compared to being worm food. ---"

Hogwash.

I made a choice to repent of my sins and accept Jesus' forgiveness, and I must daily choose to take up His cross and follow Him each day, as does every believer called into Christ.

Likewise, I must choose to obey God rather than heed temptation and the desires of the flesh to do evil.

If you have faith, you must also choose to act on that faith.

Likewise, if you do not believe, it is most often the case that you do not want to give up your disbelief, and your prideful and wicked belief in yourself, where you really believe yourself to be greater than any "god".

The truth is, we are all mortal men doomed to die because of our sins, and that our own righteousness is but a filthy, bloody rag before the Holy Purity of Almighty God.

Carlin is roasting in hellfire because he was a damned (and I mean that in the Biblical sense of the word) fool, as it is written:

"----- The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good. -----" (Psalm 14:1, KJV)

And for the moon-demon-worshiping beast from the Andes:

The Lake of Fire will be just as bad for the demons and evil spirits as it will be for the lost souls of men who reject Christ.

This final, horrible place of eternal punishment was originally prepared the Devil and his fallen angels who followed him in rebellion against the Almighty.

There will be no escape. No pardon. No reprieve.

Repent therefore, and be saved, lest you also perish.

[seekeronos]

"--- And environmentalism is a religion now? Are we going to equate recycling with attending church? Buying a fuel efficient car with paying tithe? Did Al Gore become the new Jesus? ---"

It becomes a religion to the degree that the creature(s) replace the Creator in being worshiped.

Some people like the ELFs/ALFs and PETA and like groups take it that far. Some people do think that the developed world should return to living in mud huts like a bunch of Luddites.

Others like VHEMT ( http://www.vhemt.org/ ) take it to a truly ridiculous extreme.

But recycling your beer cans and sorting your trash and biking instead of using your car when you can aren't bad ideas.

It becomes bad when it is forced upon people who do not want to have that sort of thing imposed upon them.

[jharp]

"You don't go around killing squirrels for fun"

Is that the same as killing squirrels and having fun doing it? I've killed seven of those little bastards in my backyard just this year. You'd be amazed the damage those buggers can do.

[jharp]

"It becomes bad when it is forced upon people who do not want to have that sort of thing imposed upon them."

Do you mean like forcing someone to have a sewage system?

You are wrong here. When it affects the health of the community it's time to legislate changes.

Do you favor smoking in restaurants? Planes?

[seekeronos]

"--- Do you mean like forcing someone to have a sewage system?

You are wrong here. When it affects the health of the community it's time to legislate changes.

Do you favor smoking in restaurants? Planes? ---"

Some things are no-brainers. Nobody in his right mind would build a house or buy one that didn't have a working sewer line or septic tank.

Smoking? I hardly think that this will be a problem given how it is being taxed out of existence.

But yeah, I'd like market-driven solutions: Instead of outright banning smoking in public buildings, planes or restaurants, let the legislation be passed which backs up the restaurant's right to ban smoking on its premises or set up smoking sections.

Let airlines set up certain cabins or cabin classes for smoking if they so desire. They could probably section off a few rows of seats on particular flights for smoking (and charge an extra $100/$200 per seat for the privilege).

[IslamoLlama]

"-- But recycling your beer cans and sorting your trash and biking instead of using your car when you can aren't bad ideas.

It becomes bad when it is forced upon people who do not want to have that sort of thing imposed upon them. --"

Absolutely. If I want to dump raw sewage into a river bed, that's my right. And if you object to me polluting your river water, you're just as crazy as vegetarians, celibates, and people who don't wear fur. Demanding higher CAFE standards and lower mercury emissions from cars and factories is extremism of the worst sort. People shouldn't be required to sort their plastics from their aluminum any more than they should be required to wheel their garbage can to the curb. When I have garbage, I dump it on my neighbor's lawn. When I have an old car battery, I throw it in the lake. And as soon as I get the money, I plan to build a coal-fired smoke stack in my kitchen.

Forcing me to do otherwise is a bad thing. Where are my kids? Oh, licking lead paint off the swing sets. Good, now they'll grow up to be Republicans, just like me.

[templar knight]

Islamo the propagandist is at work again. No one proposed doing any of the things he vomited out. Just another set of liberal lies and innuendos. Don't you ever get tired of lying, Islamo?

[Anne]

I wonder if Carlin would like this thread.

Joan Rivers was talking about being at a wake with Carlin and when the widow said she lost her husband, Carlin said oh no, he's not lost, he's over there in the coffin.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- No one proposed doing any of the things he vomited out. --"

Lols. So naive.

http://www.sierraclub.org/environmentallaw/lawsuits/0355.asp

"-- Following visits to a proposed mine site in the Fish Trap Lake area of Eastern Kentucky, Sierra Club and Kentuckians For The Commonwealth (KFTC) members were astounded to discover that the area already had been mined by Clintwood Elkhorn Mining Company (owned by Florida-based TECO Energy, Inc.) – even though the company had not yet received the legally required permit under the Clean Water Act!

The company mined through two stream segments, burying them in the process.

After the site visits, Sierra Club officials contacted the local Sassafras office of the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers to obtain information, and a Corps official confirmed that the mining had taken place without the required permit. The Corps official noted that the company had "self-reported" the violation back in March, but to date neither the Corps nor state agencies have taken any enforcement action. --"

That's your government inaction. Mine commits a crime - mountain top removal without a permit - and self-reports the offense. The local agency notes the offense and proceeds to do jack squat about it. I would say that dumping a mountain top into a river bed is not entirely incomparable to dumping my trash in your backyard.

They don't "propose" environmental calamities like this. They just do them and let everyone else clean up after they're done.

[SacTownMan]

Speaking of death. What is going on with the braindead MSM and their polling. First it was Newsweek and now the LA Times saying that Barry Boy has a 15 point lead:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=washingtonstory&sid=agCTbSDJ83rc

Compare that to the gallup poll that shows them dead even:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/108376/Gallup-Daily-Obama-McCain-Tied-45.aspx

Harpo this is why your always getting bashed for not including links in your posts. It is so easy to just pick and choose whatever stats you want. Anyone that can type a question in Google can find whatever they want to try and prove their point (just ask Lame-O).

There is a serious lack of intellectual honesty taking place when an established and respected pollster like Gallup can be so different from the Liberal media sites like the Times and Newsweek.

All polls are prone to some margin of error but it is simply impossible to miss this badly. Someone is skewing the data to steer the results and I find it hard to believe that is Gallup.

[Anne]

I just heard on TV that Newsweek had reported Mondale ahead of Reagan by 15 percent. Some things never change.

[IslamoLlama]

I'd bring up how our port authorities allowed China to import toys with toxic amounts of lead paint or how our FDA was asleep at the wheel when we imported spinach and tomatoes tainted with salmonella. I'd then point out how its this sort of lazy enforcement of health issues results in hundreds of people suffering and several dying.

I'd point out how the White House has gone so far in its Global Warming Denialist crusade that they're refusing to even read emails from their own EPA officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/25/washington/25epa.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&oref=slogin

But TK would probably just call me a liar and claim none of it ever happened. Tomatoes weren't pulled from shelves a couple weeks ago. Spinach didn't suffer the same fate a couple of months ago. Global Warming isn't real, and the NYT is full of liars, and no such email exists.

I mean, its great when you can just shove your fingers in your ears and shout "LALALA" on life or death issues. I wish I could be so cavalier about the air I breath, the water I drink, and the food I eat.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- There is a serious lack of intellectual honesty taking place when an established and respected pollster like Gallup can be so different from the Liberal media sites like the Times and Newsweek. --"

Or you could just hit up pollster.com and see the full aggregate. DKos has been pretty keen on the polls and deciphering them. SurveyUSA is Markos's current favorite. But to date, an aggregate of multiple polls has been doing much better at predicting trends than any single poll by itself.
http://www.pollster.com/08-US-Pres-GE-MvO.php

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"I stopped voting when I stopped taking drugs. I believe both of those acts are closely related to delusional behavior." George Carlin

The partisanship here just blows my mind.

Seeker: Dude your preaching has started to annoy even me. You aren't going to convert anyone man, ease up just a little.

Harpie: Just WTF kind of crappie state govt does Indiana have that "tax payers" pay for car tags? Everywhere I've ever lived drivers paid for tags and the cost to make the damned thing was rolled into the "fee" for registration....... And who the hell would be stupid enough to put their name on a tag? Why not just get one that says "kidnap me and leave my murdered body in a dumpster"?

LLama: Please, please tell us all just how far you're willing to go with the government telling you how to live. OK, we already know you dont want Lynn Cheney stealing Aunt Maddie's magic brownie recipe over the phone but give the rest up. Let's just nit pick some of your typically well thought out bellows....shall we? Why for instance should my government 'force' me to have a septic tank.....when there are far more environmentally sound systems to chose from? Your very wise glass recycling law....I've a friend who owns a bar and the city says "you will not only recycle your bottles, you WILL pay us an ungodly amount to come get them".....There is a recycler willing to pay her for the glass right up the road...... Why should my elderly neighbor have to pay the county for trash pick-up....and pay a kid to pull his cans to the road (1200 feet)....when a private contractor was willing to get his fat ass off the truck and go get teh can from the house? And If I buy the damned airplane and hire the people to get it from point a to point b...I should damned well be able to have smoking only tickets and the non-smokers can go fly someone elses plane.

[SacTownMan]

Lame-O your link helps to make my point. If you look at Zoogby, Gallup, Rasmussen and other established pollsters data the differential is no where near the double digit numbers Newsweek and the Times are using. The reality seems to be that the race is still close but their data is simply not believable.

Accounting for the expected bump Barry gets following the primary battle you would expect to see him with a decided advantage.

Compare this to the Newsweek and Times polls and there is a serious question about the bias that is at work. Their spread is more than double that of all of the other established polls.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"If you look at Zoogby, Gallup, Rasmussen and other established pollsters data..."

Sac: SHe probably does look at other polls, but she can't 'prove' her point unless she uses the 1-2 that agree with her premise. Kinda like the school bully who can only get his way by force.

[templar knight]

Again, the propagandist Islamo at work. Where did I ever say that things didn't happen. I've called you a liar, because that is what you are. You say I will deny that toys came here from China tainted with lead. I would never deny that fact, or approve of it, nor turn a blind eye to whatever agency is supposed to be enforcing the law. I never said salmonella was not spread by bad tomatoes. Nor would I.

Now, let me ask you this. Was there salmonella poisoning in the US during the Clinton Administration? Were children harmed by certain toys during the Clinton Administration? The answer to both of those questions is yes, and there will still be salmonella when and if Obama or any other Democrat is elected. And there will be pollution, as long as their are humans on this planet. Your ridiculous assertions that somehow everything will be perfect if we can just get a Democrat elected flies in the face of reality. Like I said, you are nothing but a propagandist, and should be treated as such.

[seekeronos]

"--- Seeker: Dude your preaching has started to annoy even me. ---"

I'm sorry you feel that way, WW. But when godless men try to promote the idea that God is just a figment of the imagination, or an "invisible sky fairy", then I must speak against that.

God is very real, and He is not mocked. Even if many people do not like to hear what God's Word says, I would be negligent if I did not both warn them of God's judgment against sin and tell of His plan of salvation.

Now, I realize that I may have gone on at length with my responses to a particular commenter, more so than I usually do with one-liner commenters like Bob/chris or the Llama, with whom I know are 100% atheists or otherwise closed to any discussion of the gospel.

The particular commenter I have engaged at length is likely also pretty set in his ways on his non-faith, but he at least is open to civil discussion.

[jharp]

"Harpie: Just WTF kind of crappie state govt does Indiana have that "tax payers" pay for car tags?"

You've misunderstood. Motorist pay for car tags.

The Indiana taxpayers pay the additional cost for the IGWT plates

We have a standard plate we can buy. Or a IGWT plate we can buy. For the same price.

The IGWT plate costs more to make and is offered for the same price at taxpayer expense.

[seekeronos]

"--- The Indiana taxpayers pay the additional cost for the IGWT plates

We have a standard plate we can buy. Or a IGWT plate we can buy. For the same price.

The IGWT plate costs more to make and is offered for the same price at taxpayer expense. ---"

Shorter issue:

If people want the fancy plate, they should pay the difference in cost it takes to manufacture it.

Simple enough, no?

[jharp]

"If people want the fancy plate, they should pay the difference in cost it takes to manufacture it."

"Simple enough, no?"

Hallelujah! And thank you.

Meanwhile they fight it out in court at taxpayer expense. Revolting.

[K.S. Bala Murugan]

sodaltech are the pioneers in paper cone machine, paper cone machines, paper cone machinery, automatic paper cone machines, automatic paper cone machine in india, paper cone making machines, paper cone machinery in india, paper cone machine in india, paper cone machine exporters in india, paper cone machine manufacturers in india, paper machine, paper machine factory, paper machine manufacturer, paper machine supplier, paper machine winder,

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"The particular commenter I have engaged at length is likely also pretty set in his ways on his non-faith, but he at least is open to civil discussion."

Seek; I'm just saying that there's a difference between "civil discussion" and Bible thumping. Conversion at the point of a sword has been tried and a thousand years later muzzies are still cutting people's heads off over it. Certainly we are to share our faith but when we use it like some sort of weapon, minds and hearts close. At least think about it, yes?

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"The IGWT plate costs more to make and is offered for the same price at taxpayer expense."

I give you the benefit of the doubt but frankly it's still due to crappy government. There are specialty plates here and the "motorist" (geeze, you're old)pays for his individuality. My personalized plate is over twice as much as my wife's. Change your government.

[seekeronos]

"--- Seek; I'm just saying that there's a difference between "civil discussion" and Bible thumping. Conversion at the point of a sword has been tried and a thousand years later muzzies are still cutting people's heads off over it. Certainly we are to share our faith but when we use it like some sort of weapon, minds and hearts close. At least think about it, yes? ---"

I understand more or less where you are coming from, that is, not to bury someone with a pile of scriptures.

I was going to start out by saying that a critical difference between Islam and the way Christ has shown us are quite different: Islam compels men by the sword (or more recently by gun and by terrorism) to convert; Christ never forced anyone to convert, but rather pointed out why people need salvation, and told them how to get saved.

The central theme of Islam is "submission"; the central theme of Christianity is God's love and Man's redemption through that love.

And I can agree with you that few people coerced into a religion ever become true converts, which is why Rome gave up on the inquisition some four hundred years ago, and is why the Salem brand of Puritanism never really caught on big. If one truly follows Christ, I hardly think such a person would ever dream of lifting up a sword in physical, aggressive combat, much less to do so to spread the gospel.

(This is one factor among many by which I have come to oppose the wars abroad that we are so mired in).

However, as far as weapons go, here are a few allegorical reference to the Christian's weaponry:

"-----
2 Corinthians 10:4 - For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds

Jeremiah 23:29 - Is not my word like as a fire? saith the LORD; and like a hammer that breaketh the rock in pieces?

Hebrews 4:12 - For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. -----"

(verses from KJV)

[IslamoLlama]

"--

Lame-O your link helps to make my point. If you look at Zoogby, Gallup, Rasmussen and other established pollsters data the differential is no where near the double digit numbers Newsweek and the Times are using. The reality seems to be that the race is still close but their data is simply not believable.

Accounting for the expected bump Barry gets following the primary battle you would expect to see him with a decided advantage.

Compare this to the Newsweek and Times polls and there is a serious question about the bias that is at work. Their spread is more than double that of all of the other established polls.
--"

I wasn't defending Newsweek or Time. Polls are polls, and the only one that matters is in November. However, if you want to get a more accurate picture of the current opinion state of the nation, I think its a fool's errand to pluck out any poll in particular - Gallup or otherwise - to "prove" your point.

As for the natural assumption that Barack Obama should have received some massive boost following his winning of the nomination, if you check the pollster.com site you'll notice he's gone from slightly trailing McCain to slightly leading. Not sure exactly what type of flux you were looking for. If my candidate were 4-6 points down in the aggregate of polls, I'd do a little less cheering and a little more campaigning.

I'm just not sure what you're hoping for here. That John McCain is going to play Reagen to Obama's Mondale? That the Silent Majority of McCain supports is just waiting to make its voice heard? :-p We'll see how things go after the first debate or two. I'm seriously not worried about Obama's prospects in the Fall. It's all about down ticket races for me. If he can swing a few more Senate seats and give the House a clearer majority, I think we can see a more progressive agenda come Jan '09. An Obama Presidency won't be worth much if his first 2 years are spent fighting filibusters.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Your ridiculous assertions that somehow everything will be perfect if we can just get a Democrat elected flies in the face of reality. Like I said, you are nothing but a propagandist, and should be treated as such. --"

Dude. Whatever. Plug your ears and blindly insist that all administrations are the same, then. I do appreciate your links to the lead painted toys and food poisoning cases under Clinton, though. That really backed up your case nicely.

But if Obama, Clinton, and Bush all treat issues like mountain top removal and food inspection with the same disregard, why vote at all, eh? Why fight mad cow or bird flu? Or distribute polio shots? Or fight terrorism? We're all perfectly helpless, and all administrations will handle all issues in the exact same incompetent manner. That's what you're saying, right? That Obama will allow mountain top removal and underfund and understaff the FDA just like Bush's Admin has?

If I didn't know better, I'd suspect you vote Republican out of a degree of stupid spite. This isn't about abortion or terrorism or civil rights or tax policy with you. This is some visceral grudge against people with a (D) in front of their names. Really, there's no helping people like you TK. You're a pit of ignorance and a total lost cause. Too lazy to simply google the facts. Too lazy to put 2 and 2 together on the most mundane issues. Too lazy to lift a finger in defense of your country's well-being because, eh, its all the same.

You're pathetic.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"But if Obama, Clinton, and Bush all treat issues like mountain top removal and food inspection with the same disregard, why vote at all, eh?"

I think the point Savoir Faire, that you and the rest of the Neo-Enviromentalists refuse to see is that these problems did not just pop up out of the ether in the past seven years. I can see this from some of the others that troll here LLama, but you really disappoint as I assumed you far more intelligent than the typical "I'm goin' green" idiot. The lack of responsibility for buying tainted toys is true to yourself but even you know that ICE can't check every freekin' container that comes into the country....right? You DO know that, don't you? Just like you know FDA can't stick a thrmometer in every cow's bum in Texas. Now, had the FED dropped some huge ass fine on the importer who brought in the lead paint, big enough to scare them all, it may have made a difference. Same goes for people who bulldoze mountains and otherwise pollute....Glad you're trying to get on board with us, BTW. Might want to study up a bit because frankly I'm tired of Neo-Environmetalists and green-weenies who have no fucken idea what they're talking about.

Oh and are you going to answer the question about how much you want the Government ordering your life or do we just assume you wish 1984 wasn't just a story?

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I think the point Savoir Faire, that you and the rest of the Neo-Enviromentalists refuse to see is that these problems did not just pop up out of the ether in the past seven years. --"

Tell you what. Go back to Clinton or Carter and find me an instance in which a company has self-reported mining without a permit and received no investigation or punishment for transgression. Don't worry. I'll wait.

The Bush environmental initiatives have repeatedly loosened standards across the country. The Bush EPA has been proactive in shielding companies from lawsuits while they simply refuse to enforce their own regulations. There is a stark, stark difference between pollution under Clinton and under Bush.

"-- Oh and are you going to answer the question about how much you want the Government ordering your life or do we just assume you wish 1984 wasn't just a story? --"

There is such a thing as a good neighbor policy. When I am living in my house, I make it a point to contain my mess such that it doesn't wreck your property. When I start setting up structures like smoke stacks or sewage drains on my land, I will affect everyone downwind and downstream of me. Determining how much I am allowed to pollute my neighbor's back yard is the government's job.

In that sense, the government has the right to dictate my life for the same reason that it has the right to dictate where I drive my car (on roads, not through other people's hedges). Or how loud I can blare my radio at night.

Whether or not you want to "go green" whatever you mean by that, I can safely say that dumping hundreds of tons of rubble into an active stream is a direct violation of basic good neighbor policy principles. This has nothing to do with buying a hybrid car or throwing on a sweater rather than cranking up the thermostat. This has everything to do with Eminent Domain and the power of your neighbor to trash your house by proxy. You are so quick to deny government authority that you are willing to dump said powers to the most reckless and irresponsible private enterprises in response.

Poisoned food, tainted water, and befouled air are preventable - in many cases easily preventable - assuming you have a strong and competent government agency willing to flex a muscle in the face of corporate greed. How many tons of tomatoes got tossed because our ICE officials couldn't even tell what state the foul food was coming from? How many millions of toys got recalled when a simple check on any individual unit would have exposed the problem before it ever hit a store shelf? These problems weren't needles in haystacks. They were the freak'n hay. And rather than propose solutions, the Bush Admin has been adamant about compounding the problems - cutting funds to departments, waving regulations on businesses, staffing offices with flunkies from the industries that are being policed.

Plugging your ears and saying "Our nation is the greatest, therefore there is nothing we could do to stop these tragedies" is the sort of dumb shit they spout in North Korea. I'm sick of watching the country rot from the inside out while ditto-heads wave their flags and buy bottled water because the tap is full of shit. About 73% of the country feels the same way.

[SacTownMan]

"I'm sick of watching the country rot from the inside out while ditto-heads wave their flags and buy bottled water because the tap is full of shit. About 73% of the country feels the same way."

WTF!

As you?

You must be on crack!

[Anne]

Here's a Clinton-Gore environmental scandal to chew on http://www.oilempire.us/wti.html

[joymc]

Creativity and humor, what could be more subjective? Carlin could really make me laugh back in the 70s. But increasingly he just seemed bitter and angry. In the last few years he seemed to really just hate every institution just for the sake of hating institutions. I guess I mean he appeared to hate traditions, established ways of doing things, long standing beliefs, whatever. I never considered just simply attacking big things like traditional ways of looking at God as being either especially original or even brave. It was at times a little offensive and I would ask myself why he needed to communicate so much bile. I was not laughing at Carlin's humor in his later years because edginess had given way to bitterness.

[templar knight]

SacTownMan, the Islamo idiot apparently can't even read. He's a useless piece of garbage himself, and would be flushed into the nearest sewer if environmental laws were enforced. President Bush, I demand you enforce these laws.

Oh, and no salmonella poisoning existed on Clinton's watch, or pollution, or crime, or anything. Crap, we should have made the guy dictator for life. That's what Islamo and his kind have in mind for the Obamessiah, no doubt. Luckily, the SCOTUS allowed us to keep our firearms. I have a feeling I'm going to need mine.

[seekeronos]

"--- ...assuming you have a strong and competent government agency willing to flex a muscle in the face of corporate greed. ---"

Good luck with that as long as the Parties of Greed and Ignorance and the MSM that enables them are tweedly-dee-tweedly-dumbing the population down into re-electing the same idiots year in and year out.

"--- Luckily, the SCOTUS allowed us to keep our firearms. I have a feeling I'm going to need mine. ---"

As do I. It is actually quite appalling that we live in an age where the courts are needed to "grant" us rights that were hard-coded into the Constitution from the beginning.

It is fortunate that Justice "Swing Vote" Kennedy decided to take his brains out of his back pockets for this one, and for Americans everywhere to keep their Liberty Teeth intact.

[BobInStamford]

I wonder why Jesus' BFF thinks he needs guns? To paraphrase that commie Bob Dylan, he's got nothing worth stealing.

[seekeronos]

* Yawn. *

Whatever, Bob. Maybe you'll actually say something of value to this forum one day.

[bobInStamford]

Whyever is Jesus' BFF yawning?? It certainly can't be from overwork. Perhaps being a gubment shirker and bible studier is more taxing than it appears. And to the rest of you patriots, be sure to fill up your tanks today. Your leader is counting on you!

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"About 73% of the country feels the same way."

So in short Pookie you admit that your knowledge of environmentalism and what has and has not happened (since Carter) is again limited to what you read at HuffPo. "IT'S ALL GEORGE BUSH AND CHENEY AND NINJAS!! CHENEY BLEW UP THE LEVEES IN MISSOURI CAUSE BUSH HATES WHHITE PEOPLE." Here's an idea genious...stick to doing people's taxes.

Noticed too how you just could not answer the question about how much you want the govt. telling you how to live.......

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Doh...posted too quickly. Pookie my recycling to help the environment friend while you're out looking for bamboo to replace your 100 year old hardwood floors toay....rest assured that I do believe that one of the very few things Da Gu'ment should do....is check tomatoes, imports and mining operations...kisses! enjoy riding that bike in Austin traffic.....

[seekeronos]

"--- Whyever is Jesus' BFF yawning?? It certainly can't be from overwork. Perhaps being a gubment shirker... ---"

Sorry I can't play with you today... unlike certain elite "BMW owners" who also seem to have inordinate amounts of time to troll the nets... I actually do work.

But in the meantime, Jesus still loves you, Bob.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Heard a little Carlin ditty from back the day on the environment...and environmentalists. It was freekin' priceless and probably one of his best!

[IslamoLlama]

"-- So in short Pookie you admit that your knowledge of environmentalism and what has and has not happened (since Carter) is again limited to what you read at HuffPo. "IT'S ALL GEORGE BUSH AND CHENEY AND NINJAS!! CHENEY BLEW UP THE LEVEES IN MISSOURI CAUSE BUSH HATES WHHITE PEOPLE." Here's an idea genious...stick to doing people's taxes. --"

Wow. And that was a direct quote, too.

Seriously, you'd do much better in North Korea. I think they pitch this line about running dogs blaming Dear Leader Kim Jong Il after every bridge collapse or gas shortage. How could we have known?! Beyond our control! Why do you hate your native country?!

"-- Noticed too how you just could not answer the question about how much you want the govt. telling you how to live....... --"

Someone gets to tell you how to live. It's either the national government, the local government, or the businesses that give you the options by which you continue to survive. If you don't want the government telling you to put solar panels on your roof, enjoy the oil companies telling you to cough up $4 / gallon for heating oil. If you don't want the government forcing you to pay a gas tax, enjoy the toll road company forcing you to cough up ten times as much to drive on privately leased roads. If you don't want the government telling you not to eat poisoned food or play with toxic toys, enjoy the local Walmart's lead poisoning and salmonella.

I mean, its a special brand of stupid that rejects warning signs on cigarettes while he bemoans hospitals packed with emphysema patients (and then blames illegal immigrants, who can only be kept out by... ... ... a powerful government telling people how to live!!!) A unique brand of ignorance that demands DOMA laws, but quakes at a minimum wage. True cognative dissonance that gives people a cowardly fear of the FBI coming to take your guns, but still leads to a joyous surrender of habeus corpus rights to the CIA and warantless spying to the NSA. "You can video tape me while I pee, just don't take my guns!!!"

[seekeronos]

Now this is just silly:

"--- Someone gets to tell you how to live. It's either the national government, the local government, or the businesses that give you the options by which you continue to survive. ---"

I guess that IS one way of looking at it. But perhaps there should be a more clear expression of what is actually going on, or at least, the way it should be under the Constitution.

That nifty piece of paper tells us that states got together one fine day in Philly, and decided to allocate certain powers to the federal government, and not one single, solitary iota beyond those listed, enumerated powers.

Everything else was left to the states (and local governments, as determined by the constitutions and laws of the many states).

The governments have a certain allocated (not arrogated) power to moderate business, only to the degree that the interests of business begin to impinge upon the liberties of the people. Otherwise... "laissez-faire".

Consequently, laws should be generally be designed to protect the common interests of the ctizens, while not being burdensome nor allowing much room for tyrants to impose their will over the people.

"--- If you don't want the government telling you to put solar panels on your roof, enjoy the oil companies telling you to cough up $4 / gallon for heating oil.

Why should the government tell me to put solar panels on my roof? Will the government be shipping solar panels to me and sending ot people from the Dept. of Energy to install them? How will that affect my taxes?

Why should it tell me to pay $4/gal for heating oil? Why shouldn't I get a wood stove, or choose to drive a less expensive car, or upgrade the insulation in my house, or put a sweater on in the winter and keep my heat around 65F - high enough not to get sick or freeze the water pipes?

The Free Market is based upon choices, and permits men to exercise their best judgment to find value for their trade.

Or alternatively, why couldn't I crank the heat to 75F and wear my board shorts and tank top all year around, and pay $8,000 for a warm winter, if I so desire?

"--- If you don't want the government forcing you to pay a gas tax, enjoy the toll road company forcing you to cough up ten times as much to drive on privately leased roads. If you don't want the government telling you not to eat poisoned food or play with toxic toys, enjoy the local Walmart's lead poisoning and salmonella. ---"

Roads are within the Constitution's allocation of powers to the government (interstate commerce), as well as many states that either collect tolls or provide for their roads via gas or registration taxes.

As for Walmart, I wouldn't touch anything beyond dry goods from Walmart with a 10' barge pole. I dunno about "Whole Foods", but we have Trader Joe's and a few other places like that that have much better quality produce, meats, and seafood; and there's always my garden for the freshest veggies. Maybe next year I'll get around to raising some egg layers as well.

[seekeronos]

"--- A unique brand of ignorance that demands DOMA laws, but quakes at a minimum wage. ---"

Overlooked that one.

In a better world, we would never even have needed to make DOMA. Nor should government regulate marriage (beyond dissolving or annulling an adulterous marriage and settling the affairs children or of estates not covered by any prenuptial agreements).

In an ideal world, marriages should be contracts recognized by churches or temples or other ecclesiastic authority, or for the godless, a notarized contract, and recorded by the states, not "licensed" or "permitted", as if the state has the power of God to grant permission to marry.

Marriage has always been a contract between a man and a woman to build a life and a family together.

Ideally, government should not regulate marriage beyond tracking vital statistics. Of course, I'm a bit of a reactionary who thinks that there should not be such a thing as "no-fault divorce", either. That has been the single biggest family killer of all -- that moral relativism and convenience should dictate the durability of a bond God deems that no man should put asunder. Is it nay wonder that the generally highly promiscuous gays would like to see easy-come, easy-go marriages to elevate their societal status as well?

Marriage should not be entered into lightly.

Other contracts and compacts between people and loved ones and families (incl. LGBTs) may exist, but in the past, have never been considered marriages.

It is kind of unique in that it provides the framework throughout most societies for family and the propagation of human kind.

As for minimum wage, that simply is bad, as it chokes the business owner and prevents him from hiring or improving the wages of deserving workers.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Consequently, laws should be generally be designed to protect the common interests of the [citizens], while not being burdensome nor allowing much room for tyrants to impose their will over the people. --"

The only disagreement we have is what laws are necessary for the common interest of citizens and what are burdensome or leave room for tyranny. Regulation and big government business intervention have not brought suffering to the European nations or to China. Deregulation has resulted in massive fraud and seismic market instability at home in the states.

Does the Constitution need a tune-up? Perhaps a few more amendments to formally codify things like the Department of Energy or the FCC or the EPA? Definitely. Do their abscess in the Constitution suggest we should - or even the Founding Fathers would - reject them? No.

The Founders made the Constitution amendable for a reason. Amendments abolished slavery, offered suffrage to women and minorities and would-be draftees. We have an IRS because of an amendment to the Constitution, and god bless it.

But over the last 8 years, we have repeatedly watched the Constitution tossed to the wayside or thrown under the bus with ridiculous legislation like FISA and the Military Commissions Act making a mockery of the first ten fundamental amendments. The Constitution is only as good as those who enforce it. Conservatives have been derelict in their duties. "Centrist" Democrats, like Steny Hoyer and Diane Feinstein and Tom Daschale, have - likewise - failed their constituencies. The Feingolds and Wexlers and Waxmans, by comparison, get vilified as America-haters for doing their jobs and playing by the rules.

As I haven't seen much support for any politician who has defended the rule of law unless he had an (R) in his name, I find your lecture somewhat disingenuous. Certainly, Chuck Hagel and Ron Paul received applause from the left and the right when it was their time to stand up and be counted. But Chris Dodd gets nothing but rotten tomatoes from the same Constitutionalist Party types that claim to oppose government spying and government waste.

:-p

"-- As for minimum wage, that simply is bad, as it chokes the business owner and prevents him from hiring or improving the wages of deserving workers. --"

That's insane. I've never had an employer look at me and say, "We can't reward you with higher pay due to excessive minimum wage." Of course, I've never been paid minimum wage before, and I'd be damned if I accepted a job that did. Paying people minimum wage sends the implicit message that your company would pay you less if it could. Its an insult, and its no surprise that less than 3% of the work force receives minimum wage at the hourly or salary rate. If you can't afford to pay your employees $7 / hr, you shouldn't be in business. Paying people less is the equivalent of defrauding your employees. And I guarantee, the fastest way to see a union resurgence in America would be to get rid of the minimum wage. The latter renders the former somewhat obsolete.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

""You can video tape me while I pee, just don't take my guns!!!""

Wow all of that BS and you still didn't answer the question...which totally does not surprise me and the thought of watching a fat girl pee makes me sick.