AP Guidelines: Shoot Self In Foot

Update: More from a blogger who talked to Cadenhead here.

If you haven't been keeping up, the AP has a battle going with bloggers over Fair Use. It's a battle they can't win. I wonder if the dinosaurs displayed such futility when their climate started to change?

Instapundit has some new links.

Also Jarvis is worth reading. And you can see the round up via Memorandum.

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[jharp]

AP

SAN FRANCISCO - Phyllis Lyon and Del Martin fell in love at a time when lesbians risked being arrested, fired from their jobs and sent to electroshock treatment. On Monday afternoon, more than a half-century after they became a couple, Lyon, 84, and Martin, 87, plan to become the first same-sex couple to legally exchange marriage vows in San Francisco, and among the first in the state

Is this fair use?

And you'd better stay out of California for awhile. God's probably getting ready to send the mother of all earthquakes.

And it guess it's over for my 20 year marriage. This is going to destroy traditional marriage.

[Terry Gain]

So boob, have you heard the news? 30,000 troops are coming home in victory in July? Even the 98 pound weakling is on the verge of acknowledging that the Surge worked.

[BobInStamford]

Coming home In VICTORY??? For $12 Billion a month for 6 years I'd expect a bit more of a 'victory'. But I guess with a stammering fool for a leader it doesn't take much for you 25%ers to declare 'victory'. Mission accomplished BRAVE warrior!! A grateful nation THANKS you.

The surge has WORKED patriots! The WMDS have been neutralized! Bin Laden has been smoked out and brought to justice! Iraq will never attack us again!!

Amen!

[Terry Gain]

The surge has WORKED patriots! The boobinstamford.
---
Finally!

[Spartan112]

"I wonder if the dinosaurs displayed such futility when their climate started to change?"

What climate change?

[seekeronos]

"---
I wonder if the dinosaurs displayed such futility when their climate started to change?

What climate change?
---"

I'd say that the global flood of Genesis 6 was a rather drastic and sweeping climate change that far outstrips anything Algore has to say on the issues.

That deluge killed off almost the entire population of the world (less 8 people and various creatures - including some young dinosaurs) in under 40 days.

More important than the oversized lizards would be the question of why the Antediluvians (people who lived before the flood) ignored the preaching of Noah, a man deemed righteous by God, and mocked the work of His servant, through whom was given the means of escaping the judgment that came.

One could only imagine the horror that must have swept over the millions (if not billions) of Antediluvians as the ground underneath them quaked and sunk, as the great amounts of water then locked up in deeps of the earth was released and gushered up in volcano-like eruptions, and condensed in the skies to drop as torrential rains; how was it like to bang on the sealed doors of the ark (which God had sealed shut, and Noah could not even open if he had wanted to) as it started to rise and drift away from its construction berth!

Imagine the very last bits of high ground, with waters swirling and rising faster than sprinter's pace, as cities and towns were plunged into the deeps, and both men and hybridized man-demon beings clawed their way to the top for their last gasps of air.

This has happened once before, and while great and terrible judgments from the Lord of Hosts have yet to be shown, know these Words spoken by the Redeemer-King:

"-----
24:37 But as the days of Noe (Noah) were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe (Noah) entered into the ark,

24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
-----"
(Matthew 24:37-39, KJV)

Another such judgment (by FIRE, and not by water: for God gave us the promise confirmed by the rainbow that He would never destroy the world by flood again) awaits this world.

Jesus is that ark of salvation through Whom we may take refuge in, and be saved and secured whilst God's wrath is poured out upon this world which has rejected His precious gift of redemption.

[LOL]

you actually believe the literal truth of the flood? Don't tell me you think the earth is only thousands of years old as well... rofl wingnuts will believe anything I swear.

[templar knight]

LOL, your Obamassaiah says he is a Christian and believes the Bible. Are you laughing your ass off at Obama? Left wing nuts excepted, I gather. What a fool you are.

[chris]

A scant 2,000 years ago Jesus and the Apostles were riding dinosaurs. After all, the planet is only 3,000 years old. The Flintstones can be viewed as historical fiction.

[Spartan112]

"That deluge killed off almost the entire population of the world (less 8 people and various creatures - including some young dinosaurs) in under 40 days."

Of course the "world" at that time consisted almost solely of the Middle East, but hey why get hung up on details...8 people survived yet there are more than 8 races? Go figure.

[Spartan112]

Vooba, vooba, vooba....ding..."Noah!"..."Noah, this is God"..."Am I on candid camera?"

[seekeronos]

"--- you actually believe the literal truth of the flood? Don't tell me you think the earth is only thousands of years old as well... rofl wingnuts will believe anything I swear. ---"

Absolutely. Why would God lie?

"----- God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? -----" (Numbers 23:19, KJV)

The Flood happened about 4,300 years ago, about 1,650 years after Adam was created, pushing Adam's creation back to about 5,932 BC.

Most of the dead humans, giant man-demon hybrids, animal-human-demonic chimaera and plant matter destroyed in the Flood were quickly turned into the black goo used to drive today's industrial society.

Noah took on board with him several species of dragons, most likely juveniles, which in a climate and conditions of the antediluvian world grew to enormous size (reptiles generally do not cease growing throughout their life times).

The ark came to rest on drying land and its occupants disembarked to found a new world. In time, the dragons would spread over the earth, but were a primary target for the expanding human family being a naturally large source of meat and leather on legs.

Sauropods (brontosaurids, diplodicids, etc.) as well as giant mammoths, megatheriums, elasmotheriums (unicorns), Daeodon (giant warhogs) likely faced extinction by over hunting within the first five centuries after the Flood as these species proved to be less tractable than horses and oxen.

It is not completely impossible however, that sauropods or other megafauna that could be trained for heavy labour, much like elephants were used, for massive feats of engineering.

There is architectural relief artwork from the time of the Sumerian civilization that shows sauropod-like creatures being hunted (perhaps inspired by the person of Nimrod, a.k.a. Sargon the Great, a "mighty hunter before the LORD", also a type of Hercules or Orion or Tyr.

And legends of "a global flood sent by the gods" to punish mankind for his wickedness and hubris abound in many ancient myths.

SO while you might be content to simply hold the True God as just another middle-eastern tribal storm god along with the rest of a semi-common mythology from that region, and to believe that you evolved upward from apes and monkeys on up from sea slime, be my guest.

As for me, I know that God is true, and every Word He speaks is Truth.

[seekeronos]

"--- Of course the "world" at that time consisted almost solely of the Middle East, but hey why get hung up on details... 8 people survived yet there are more than 8 races? Go figure. ---"

Another lie from the pit.

There is only ONE race, and two spiritual families, and many nations.

Skin colour is not the end-all, be-all that you secularists (and especially liberals) like to make it out to be.

Black, White, Red, Yellow, and Brown are labels we like to attach to people of different national groups, and unlike what Darwinists/racists like to say, one skin colour group of people is no better or worse, no more close nor distant from their supposed "ape ancestors" than the next.

And concerning DNA (the dust from which we are all made) - consider that given two human ancestors, there are 1E+1027 (one followed by 1,027 zeroes) permutations aand possibilities for offspring that will never be exactly the same.

Granted, the three sons of Noah and their three wives present quite a genetic bottleneck, consider also that the lifespans of humans in that era were still easily 7x-8x longer than ours; there were considerably less genetic mutations present in our common genome. The ancients were not under a law that forbid what we consider to be incestuous relationships (brothers and sisters taking each other to matrimony, and such a law was not given until the time of Moses (in retrospect, the long lifespans of these ancients along with the inbred marriages likely were a factor in the rapid decrease of human lifespan and development of certain disorders that were genetically passed down with certain people groups).

[Spartan112]

Actually color is only one very small part of what makes up race. In fact Africans are closer related to europeans than they are to say, native australians.

[Spartan112]

"Granted, the three sons of Noah and their three wives present quite a genetic bottleneck, consider also that the lifespans of humans in that era were still easily 7x-8x longer than ours;"

7-8 times longer than ours? Meaning they lived on avg to 562.5 years old? Damn, and I thought just the opposite was true, who knew. And this genetic bottleneck you speak of would lead to all sorts of wonderful "special" descendants of the great Noah...

[bobInStamford]

"Most of the dead humans, giant man-demon hybrids, animal-human-demonic chimaera and plant matter destroyed in the Flood were quickly turned into the black goo used to drive today's industrial society."

If anyone ever questioned if this Jesus freak was batshit crazy, I think you now have your answer.

[seekeronos]

Heh. And teh internets is being cranky.

Lost the bulk of a rather informative and long post, but I'll hash down the salient points:

1. Human lifespans between Noah and Abraham shortened drastically. Noah lived 950 years, most of that in the ideal environment of the antediluvian world. His son Shem, lived 600 years: 100 before the flood, and 500 after. Long lifespan, formative years in the ideal antediluvian environment.

Later generations were much shorter, having been born and raised in a catastrophically altered environment: Eber, 4th. generation from Noah, lived 464 years. Abraham, 10th generation from Noah, lived to be only 175, being outlived by his 4th-great grandfather by 25 years. Jacob (Israel), the 12th generation from Noah, lived 137 years. Moses, the 16th generation (though not in the line of the Saviour) lived 120 years.

2. Inbreeding as we know it, was not as much of a problem in God's economy for Noah, as Noah was much, much more closer to Adam and Eve than we are.

By this, I mean that Adam was created the perfect human, with no defects in him. Over the 1656 years between Adam's creation and subsequent fall from grace, and the Flood, people averaged about 800 year lifespans. One particular patriarch lived to be nearly 1,000 years of age. The antediluvian world was different from ours, a much more closed environmental system, less ambient radiation leaking in from space, and other technologies that had likely been developed to forestall the then-new phenomenon of death. The antediluvian world was quite the stuff of legends, and may well be the archtype for the legendary realms of Atlantis and Lemuria and Shangri-la, among others.

Because of these factors, genetic mutation was less of a problem for Adam and his generations after him; they would creep in quite slowly as they had not aggregated so many defects which are now prevalent in our genes.

Minus the demonic influence and experimentation, humans were much better creatures than we are now. I say that we modern humans are a truly degenerate race, a shadow of what we once were.

Noah was found to be "perfect in his generations" by God, that is to say, his pedigree from Adam was free of demonic genetic engineering, and was an upright, God-fearing man.

As such, he and his sons were chosen to build the Ark. As survivors, they were commissioned by God to "replenish the earth", specifically meaning to re-populate it. Their superior genetics would allow them to be able to inbreed with little initial ill effect; however, their inbreeding would eventually turn out so many "special" (but increasingly degenerated, devolved) descendants whose lives would be shortened.

Add to this the drastically changed environment -- exposure to significantly increased gamma particles, cosmic rays, etc. also added to the rapidly aggregating mutations in the DNA passed down from Noah.

3. The Law given to Moses began to put an end to the inbreeding (to specifically address the matter for the Israelites), although by then many civilizations were beginning to clue in to the fact that some really bad mutations were showing up in highly consanguine marriages.

4. God specifically stated that He would in His timing, reduce human lifespans to "threescore and ten" (70) years. That in itself is sufficient.

5. A brief chart to compare decreasing lifespans of selected patriarchs...

Key:

X - represent 25 years
XXXX - rrepresent 100 years
x - represents a significant period less than 25 years
| (pipe symbol) represents the Flood (as a frame of reference)
_ (underscores) used as spacers since the HTML parser will otherwise flush everything left.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX|XXXXXXXXXXXXXX (Noah, d. 950y. founding generation)

_______________________XXXX|XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX (Shem, d. 600y. 1st gen.)

___________________________|__XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXx (Eber, d. 464y. 4th gen.)

___________________________|____XXXXXXXXXx (Peleg, d. 239y. 5th gen.)

___________________________|____________XXXXXXX (Abram/Abraham, d. 175y. 10th gen.)

___________________________|__________________XXXXXx (Jacob/Israel, d. 137y. 12th gen.)

___________________________|____________________________XXXXx (Moses, d. 120y. 16th gen.)

...

This chart is a rough sketch (seeing as I cannot use CSS and HTML to make a prettier mock-up here), but it shows that human life was drastically reduced after the Flood.

Perhaps this is a good thing, given all the wickedness we are capbale of in a mere 70-75 years of life. If a Hitler or a Genghis Khan can butcher up whole populations in their short lifetimes, just imagine what a vastly greater intelligence of 800+ years could think of, much less the Nephilim and other demon-enhanced genetic engineered humanoids roaming the antediluvian earth were capable of!

[BobInStamford]

"One particular patriarch lived to be nearly 1,000 years of age."

Keep the crazy going!! Better get Chuck Baldwin on the Batphone!! 1,000 year old geezer (makes John McCain looks downright youthful!!) - hahahaha!!!! Flying demons= crude oil - hahahaha!!!

Seriously, this is some funny stuff!!

[jharp]

seekeronos,

Don't know what you are on but you had better get yourself some help.

Cindy McCain and Rush Limbaugh both got off the stuff. I am sure you can beat it too.

[seekeronos]

Bob's a mocker and a scoffer, and simply an unreasonable fellow. Therefore, I shall ignore him.

For jharp/LOL/Spartan:

Look, the Biblical facts are these:

1) Modern man is vastly degenerate, both genetically and spiritually.

2) Judgment is coming.

3) Jesus is the ONLY way of escape from the consequences of God's judgments (death and eternal punishment in hell).

The other other details are preserved in God's Word to show us that God's judgment is real - it is as real as His mercy and lovingkindness.

Now as for accepting the destruction of the antediluvian world and the oil that was produced from all that freshly killed biomass are as good as facts to me.

The 6,000 year old earth is very real to me. Anything else twists and contorts the Word of God into falsehood and weakens the veracity of God's power, whether it be Day-Age theory, Gap Theory, Theistic Evolution, or Materialist/Darwinist Evolution.

The seven day creation week is very real to me. God said it, He did it, and I believe Him. If I do not, I make Him out to be a liar.

Darwinism and the 5Bn. year cosmology and the completely illogical, contrived, and made-up secularist fantasy of evolution are but fables, balderdash, and lies: for it takes science and tries to cobble together something that desires to make God disappear in a "puff of logic".

More like a puff of vanity and stupidity, which as the proverbial fool likes to say, "there is no God..." (Psalm 14:1)

God created us (humans) in HIS image; to deny Him and make Him of none effect or cause to us by saying we are a cosmic mistake - a random and extremely unlikely chance that we emerged from the primordial slime to someday evolve up into marmots and then later monkeys, apes, and eventually humans is the height of pride and stupidity.

Are you really descended from a pile of sea slime? I tell you no, you are not. You are special in God's sight, made in His image, and God desires you to repent, turn to Him and be forgiven in Christ, that you be redeemed back to Him.

And for Bob:

Sorry for casting pearls at you. I hope you won't trip over them, but perhaps God might yet draw you closer to Himself.

[seekeronos]

For Spartan:

"--- Actually color is only one very small part of what makes up race. In fact Africans are closer related to europeans than they are to say, native australians. ---"

I agree with the statement that Europeans are more closely related to Africans.

But I must ask you this: besides skin colour (and of course, related physical appearance factors like hair/eye colour) what do you see as additional factors that make up "race" ?

For me, I do not see race beyond the conventional classifications we have attached to it here in modern America. It is more beneficial to me if I think of "race" more in terms of national/subnational people groups, and the true definition of race as "homo sapiens", or more Biblically, "sons (and daughters) of Adam".

Once we start in with the identity politics as we know it, we get much too attached to stereotypes and other probably injurious issues.

The only two "identities" that should matter are "saved" - being of God's family... and "unsaved" - being of the devil's family: one thing being that we were all "unsaved" at one point in our lives.

God's mission for the "saved" is to make sure that the "unsaved" know that they are lost and without a hope in *this* world, and to show them the way to be found in Christ.

[jharp]

"The 6,000 year old earth is very real to me."

Go for it. I can't see why God would have planted all of the false evidence but that's just me. But please spend none of my tax dollars to promote your cause. We'd then have to spend an equal amount on every other religion. Let's just keep the government out of it. It's a private matter between a man and his God.

"The seven day creation week is very real to me. God said it"

No. A man said God said it. Believe what you want. And I'll believe what I want. And keep the government out of it.

My bible favorite is Methuselah. Didn't that dude live to be like 1,237 or something like that. Or a man wrote down something like that a few thousand years ago.

[Spartan112]

"Biblical facts"

That's an oxymoron on the scale of jumbo shrimp.

And as for what details help to determine race besides skin color? Facial structure is one. Look at an aboriginal australian, their skin color is similar to an african but their facial structure is nothing alike (not to mention that some have blonde hair). Look at a South Asian (Indian, Pakistani), dark skin but nearly aqualine features.

[jharp]

"--- Actually color is only one very small part of what makes up race."

There is only one race. The human race. Seriously.

[seekeronos]

"--- Go for it. I can't see why God would have planted all of the false evidence but that's just me. ---"

There is no false evidence. Evidence is evidence, but it is how you view the evidence that is important: if you start out determined that "there is no god", you will invariably come to a conclusion that supports your opinion that god(s) do not exist. That is human vanity at its finest.

Likewise, if you examine the evidence through God's perfect and infallible Word, it will point you back to the Creator. The self-delusion of Darwinism has a powerful chokehold on science, demonstrating a curiously satanic intensity to deny God's power and reality.

"--- But please spend none of my tax dollars to promote your cause. We'd then have to spend an equal amount on every other religion. Let's just keep the government out of it. It's a private matter between a man and his God. ---"

Actually, I could find myself agreeing with you on this. But at the same time, please don't force my kids and spend my tax dollars to be taught New Age malarkey, or spend my money to install footwashing basins or special prayer rooms for Muslims, and no teaching "Darwinism" as fact along with secular humanist atheism, which is a form of a religion (a belief system which expends much effort to dissuade others from a belief in God(s) in its own right.

However, if these accommodations must be made, then I won't stop pressing for Christians to have the right to prayers lead by team coaches, private prayers or periods for private Bible study, for fellowshipping and voluntary student-lead Bible-study sessions in classrooms, and readings from the Bible and sermons from Godly pastors in massed assemblies, if those same students must be evangelized by gay rights movements and Muslim speakers and Darwinist/socialist teachers and other proclaimers of strange and unbiblical doctrines.

Quoting me: "The seven day creation week is very real to me. God said it"

"--- No. A man said God said it. Believe what you want. And I'll believe what I want. And keep the government out of it. ---"

And so you shall. But on God's word, you are very wrong:

"----- For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. -----" (Hebrews 4:12, KJV)

"----- In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. -----" (John 1:1, KJV)

"----- ...thy word is truth -----" (John 17:17b, KJV)

"----- The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O LORD, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever. -----" (Psalm 12:6-7, KJV)

God's word is true because He has proven it. And He moved men to write His words down, they did not do so out of their own original thinking:

"----- Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. -----" (2 Peter 1:20-21, KJV)

Therefore, in light of God's word, I must humbly disregard your statement as human opinion.

"--- My bible favorite is Methuselah. Didn't that dude live to be like 1,237 or something like that. Or a man wrote down something like that a few thousand years ago. ---"

God moved Moses to record that Methuselah lived to be 969 years of age:

"----- And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died. -----" (Genesis 5:27, KJV)

He was the longest lived man recorded in the Bible. In Hebrew, his name translates rough as "when he dies, it (the flood) comes"

[seekeronos]

For Spartan:

I do not see the many variations of humanity as being "races". Groupings of people with similar features, perhaps nations and cultural groups for certain, but "race" as we have come to use it, is incredibly divisive and even somewhat demeaning, as it opens the door for racism along the lines of Race X is better than Race Y because members of Race X are naturally better at math or similar arguments.

We are all sinners, sons of First Adam, in need of grace and lovingkindess to be born again of Jesus Christ, the Second Adam.

"-----
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
-----"

(1 Corinthians 15:20-24, KJV)

[LOL]

Seeker, I think you are a plant. No one could be this stupid and put so much effort behind the stupidity. You are a liberal trolling the board to make religious conservatives look stupid.

[seekeronos]

"--- Seeker, I think you are a plant. No one could be this stupid and put so much effort behind the stupidity. You are a liberal trolling the board ... ---"

If you must label me, at least be accurate. I would be considered to be largely aligned with the "Old Right"/"Old Libertarian" branch of conservatism.

Full disclosure #1: I am a Christian Constitutionalist, specifically, a Christian first, Constitutionalist a very tight and close second. Although I am not a member of the John Birch Society, I do identify with some of their positions.

You'd likely be surprised to learn this, but sometimes there is a mesh/overlap of the liberal left and the paleoconservative right (usually for different reasons though).

We may both agree that the war is unconstitutional and expensive and that our rampant pursuit of empire to the spite of the continued functioning of our republic and our own liberties is on the chopping block; yet we disagree as to the core reason WHY this is important.

I believe in Christ's message of redemption and freedom from the slavery of sin, you empathize with the socialists who believe in collectivizing everything for the "greater common good".

I seek to do things God's way, and am firmly convinced that God's ways are far greater than my ways or anyone else's for that matter; you seek to do whatever is right in your own eyes, perhaps utterly convinced that you way (the socialist way) is the only true way to run a nation.

Full Disclosure #2: I used to be an agnostic (never could buy into the hardcore atheist argument) non-practicing Catholic. I was also a very big science nerd - and 20 years ago, I'd be the one telling you about how grand it was to have evolved upward from Australopithecus afarensis up to H. sapiens neanderthalensis with a certain measure of smugness.

For a number of years after I came to know Christ, I tried to rationalize how God could have worked with the "evidence" of evolution (namely, all these dead monkeys and apes laying about that leading scientists said were our ancestors) and God's Word that said He created us out of dust, a man and then a woman from the man, in God's image: it really cannot be done without selectively disregarding His Word.

As for the dead monkeys and apes, my best guess on those is that they are not evolutionary ancestors, but are remnants of extinct monkeys and apes that were God's creations apart from Adam and Eve.

Although it is also quite possible that some of these may have been part of the Devil's genetic engineering experiments that resulted in the rise of the giants - the Nephilim - that terrorized the earth prior to the Flood.

These giants whom I spoke of earlier were the basis for our mythologies oncerning the Olympic gods and goddesses, the Titans and other legendary monsters.

In context:

"-----
1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
-----"

(Genesis 6:1-5, KJV)

Seriously, if you look at the imagery and stories in our ancient legends and myths, you can see the ugliness and corruption the Devil was seeking to wreak upon Mankind: Medusa? Ymir the Forst giant? Various legendary dragons? Ganesh the elephant-headed god of success? Hanuman the monkey god? That 12-armed dancing goddess with all the swords, Kali.

All of them freakish monsters with some sort supposed supernatural powers. This definitely meshes with the manner of demons and demonic-human half breeds.

All of this was the Devil's attempt to ruin the human bloodlines so that the Saviour could not be born of a pure human DNA strain.

On a humourous note, you might like this:

http://www.evidencebible.com/witnessingtool/evolution.gif

[LOL]

That's cool buddy. You can hold on to your myths and believe that men thousands of years ago understood how the world works better than we do. Or you can realize that you are using a computer, the internet, electricity and things which were all discovered and invented with the same methodology that has discovered evolution, billions of years of geological and paleontological history.

Seems foolish to go on the internet and rail against science.

[seekeronos]

"--- Or you can realize that you are using a computer, the internet, electricity and things which were all discovered and invented with the same methodology that has discovered evolution, billions of years of geological and paleontological history. ---"

I do not agree.

The internet is only about 15-20 years old in terms of commercial usage, 30 years old if you count from when TCP/IP began to be widely deployed, and 40 if you count in the ARPAnet as the internet's ancestor.

Electronic Computers have been around for about 70 years, and electricity as we use it has been around for perhaps 120 years, and less than 200 if you include telegraphy.

So, 200 years for all these advances, which s a drop in the bucket compared to nearly 6,000 years of (Bible) recorded history. And for the first 1,656 years between Adam's creation and the flood, who can know what sort of advances or abilities the antediluvian ancients possessed?