You Think America Hasn't Changed?

Couldn't help but acknowledge on my blog the story of Mildred Loving, who has passed away. A black woman, she married a white man in 1958. They were charged in Virginia with "cohabiting as man and wife, against the peace and dignity of the Commonwealth.”

Last year she penned a message which includes an account of their arrest, treatment by the justice system and subsequent exile from Virginia. Chilling.

Not long after our wedding, we were awakened in the middle of the night in our own bedroom by deputy sheriffs and actually arrested for the “crime” of marrying the wrong kind of person. Our marriage certificate was hanging on the wall above the bed. The state prosecuted Richard and me, and after we were found guilty, the judge declared: “Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.” He sentenced us to a year in prison, but offered to suspend the sentence if we left our home in Virginia for 25 years exile.

Comments

[Vince]

What a far cry from today, when white girls almost feel guilty if they don't pair-up with a black punk, and in many places in America it has not only become the norm and the "fad", but white girls who don't have a "Pet Nigga" are frowned upon the same way in the 50's a Cheer Leader would look down her nose at a homely girl!

And what about the black men that disdain good looking, decent, hard-working, black women, only to pair up with some drugged-up, inbred, white, "trailer trash" slut, to parade her amongst his "Homies" as if she was the latest pair of "Nikes" and bring more Obama-like "mongrels" to this sorry-assed world - no pride in their Proud African Heritage, and their "race" other then the "Eternal Nigger Victimhood" perpetually pandered by Reverends (the word, when applied to these black "Anti-Christian Message"
"Welfare Pimps", makes mew want to puke!) such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the ubiquitous Jeremiah (the Jewish Prophet must be turning in his grave at this "misappropriation" of his name) Wright!!!

Socrates once said: "Too much of anything is too much for me." I agree that some "Affirmative Action" was needed in the South after the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement to put things that had been wrong for decades aright, but going to the opposite far end of the spectrum is as racist, and bigoted, as white racism, or any other form of racism and bigotry for that matter! Enough is enough!

If we truly are "Post Racial" there should be no market for Inner City "Gangsta Rap" or naive white middle class boys "emulating" it thinking it is cool. There shouldn't be fads where having a "Black Boyfriend" amongst predominantly white girls is all the "rave", or people like resented negress Michelle Obama, afforded through "Affirmative Action" an enviable Princeton and Harvard education, denied to myriad of perhaps far worthier white kids (whose immigrant families toiled hard and never "owned" a slave - black or otherwise)just because she was black, and yet the "bitch" (female dog) is still full of "resentment"! Well, you know what? If a "black" mind is a terrible thing to waste...so is a white mind - look at Stephen Hawking's work, though paralyzed, on a wheel chair, and talking through a frigging computer!

The other day I had the fortune of talking to a pitch black
(she would probably be too black for the "whitey bitch" tastes of most American balcks nowadays) Kenyan immigrant. She was polite, spoke English well, as well as French and her tribal language. In that dirt-floored school she attended barefooted, as a child, she learned more manners, civility, and "conversational skills", than her (Oh, please don't make me laugh! I'd love to see the day an American
"Nigga" goes off into the "bush" and hunts his own meal with a spear...without "Food Stamps"!) "victimized" and
"eternally enslaved" Afro-American counterparts! She, was pleasant, articulate, and did not speak in "Ebonics". Hell, she would have made Barack Obama far more proud , as a wife, than his resented, privileged, American, negress wife has so far...with her eternal "chip" on her shoulder!

Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama in North Carolina for no better reason than he is "black" being openly bigoted and "tribal"! While half of white (inbred )naive, and docile, voters, "fawningly" voted for Obama, swooning over him!

Wow! What 40 years of "political correct" brainwashing, and imposed "racial guilt" have wrought! Brainless, spineless, white gelded bullocks, being led by this Marxist "Black Pied Piper" by the ring on their "pierced" noses!!!

Isn’t truly time for a truly “Post-racial” society, where people are judged by their merits and not the color of their skins? Where black pairs up with black, and white with white, and cherish their Heritages, and those who, for reasons other than “fad” or “status symbol” intermarry, do so for “love,” “compatibility,” “shared goals,” mutual respect and appreciation, and not because it is convenient, as a white trash druggie, to have the stash and the pusher at home?!?!

On the other hand, if it were not for “inbred” white women breeding with black men - with all the black upon black “Gangsta” and “Hood” violence, the “Fatherlessness” and almost virtual extinction of the “Black family Unit” thanks to the “Welfare State” (see an interesting post on Hyscience on this subject: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/05/welfare_fatherl.php), and the record “abortions”- who have kept the Negro race alive, though much diluted, with their “mongrels”, you may well say that blacks in America would be well on their way into extinction!

May the Lord have mercy on us all!

[Vince]

What a far cry from today, when white girls almost feel guilty if they don't pair-up with a black punk, and in many places in America it has not only become the norm and the "fad", but white girls who don't have a "Pet Nigga" are frowned upon the same way in the 50's a Cheer Leader would look down her nose at a homely girl!

And what about the black men that disdain good looking, decent, hard-working, black women, only to pair up with some drugged-up, inbred, white, "trailer trash" slut, to parade her amongst his "Homies" as if she was the latest pair of "Nikes" and bring more Obama-like "mongrels" to this sorry-assed world - no pride in their Proud African Heritage, and their "race" other then the "Eternal Nigger Victimhood" perpetually pandered by Reverends (the word, when applied to these black "Anti-Christian Message" "Welfare Pimps", makes mew want to puke!) such as Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and the ubiquitous Jeremiah (the Jewish Prophet must be turning in his grave at this "misappropriation" of his name) Wright!!!

Socrates once said: "Too much of anything is too much for me." I agree that some "Affirmative Action" was needed in the South after the triumph of the Civil Rights Movement to put things that had been wrong for decades aright, but going to the opposite far end of the spectrum is as racist, and bigoted, as white racism, or any other form of racism and bigotry for that matter! Enough is enough!

If we truly are "Post Racial" there should be no market for Inner City "Gangsta Rap" or naive white middle class boys "emulating" it thinking it is cool. There shouldn't be fads where having a "Black Boyfriend" amongst predominantly white girls is all the "rave", or people like resented negress Michelle Obama, afforded through "Affirmative Action" an enviable Princeton and Harvard education, denied to myriad of perhaps far worthier white kids (whose immigrant families toiled hard and never "owned" a slave - black or otherwise)just because she was black, and yet the "bitch" (female dog) is still full of "resentment"! Well, you know what? If a "black" mind is a terrible thing to waste...so is a white mind - look at Stephen Hawking's work, though paralyzed, on a wheel chair, and talking through a frigging computer!

The other day I had the fortune of talking to a pitch black
(she would probably be too balck for the "whitey bitch" tastes of most American balcks nowadays) Kenyan immigrant. She was polite, spoke English well, as well as French and her tribal language. In that dirt-floored school she attended barefooted, as a child, she learned more manners, civility, and "conversational skills", than her (Oh, please don't make me laugh! I'd love to see the day an American
"Nigga" goes off into the "bush" and hunts his own meal with a spear...without "Food Stamps"!) "victimized" and
"eternally enslaved" Afro-American counterparts! She, was pleasant, articulate, and did not speak in "Ebonics". Hell, she would have made Barack Obama far more proud , as a wife, than his resented, privileged, American, negress wife has so far...with her eternal "chip" on her shoulder!

Over 90% of blacks voted for Obama in North Carolina for no better reason than he is "black" being openly bigoted and "tribal"! While half of white (inbred )naive, and docile, voters, "fawningly" voted for Obama, swooning over him!

Wow! What 40 years of "political correct" brainwashing, and imposed "racial guilt" have wrought! Brainless, spineless, white gelded bullocks, being led by this Marxist "Black Pied Piper" by the ring on their "pierced" noses!!!

Isn’t truly time for a truly “Post-racial” society, where people are judged by their merits and not the color of their skins? Where black pairs up with black, and white with white, and cherish their Heritages, and those who, for reasons other than “fad” or “status symbol” intermarry, do so for “love,” “compatibility,” “shared goals,” mutual respect and appreciation, and not because it is convenient, as a white trash druggie, to have the stash and the pusher at home?!?!

On the other hand, if it were not for “inbred” white women breeding with black men - with all the black upon black “Gangsta” and “Hood” violence, the “Fatherlessness” and almost virtual extinction of the “Black family Unit” thanks to the “Welfare State” (see an interesting post on Hyscience on this subject: http://www.hyscience.com/archives/2008/05/welfare_fatherl.php), and the record “abortions”- who have kept the Negro race alive, though much diluted, with their “mongrels”, you may well say that blacks in America would be well on their way into extinction!

May the Lord have mercy on us all!

[seekeronos]

Whoopsie. Meant TK. Sorry about that, Fred. :)

[seekeronos]

"--- Yeah, seek, that LOL is a REAL Biblical scholar. We have several liberal Bible scholars who post on this blog, including chris and boob, and now LOL. I tell 'ya, life can be a real surprise. Who'd a guessed it? ---"

And you know the funny thing Fred, is that LOL probably would not have even picked up on it if I hadn't inserted the (KJV) after the verses I quoted?

Granted that he hasn't exactly portrayed himself as being sympathetic to the Word of God no matter what version I quoted from.

But even more important than all the above, is that one need not be a Bible scholar schooled in Koine Greek or Aramaic and ancient Hebrew to understand God's Word.

That is what the Holy Spirit is for - to lead us into all truth. So even if there is criticism about some odd verbal construction in the King James English (notably out of date somewhat by nearly a century from the then-vernacular of Shakespeare's time) that does not completely apprehend the precise meanings of the languages of the original manuscripts, the Holy Spirit is trustworthy and faithful to teach our hearts and help us understand God's will as revealed in His Word.

Unregenerate people - that is, unsaved folks who do not know Jesus Christ are unable to discern the deeper spiritual truths of God's Word; it is sufficient for them, though, that they understand that God's will for them is to realize their sin and condemnation by God's Law, to repent and receive forgiveness for sin, and invite Jesus Christ to be Lord of their lives.

[Lala]

From Wikipedia

"In October 1960, when Martin Luther King, Jr. was arrested at a peaceful sit-in in Atlanta, Robert Kennedy telephoned the judge and helped secure King's release. King, Sr. expressed his appreciation for these calls by switching his support to Kennedy. King, Sr. had been a lifelong registered Republican, and had endorsed Republican Richard Nixon. King, Jr. made no endorsement,"

I said Martin Luther King was a Republican. I did not say Jr. was a Republican. I also did not say the Bill Ayers is an eco-terrorist like some one else did.

[templar knight]

Yeah, seek, that LOL is a REAL Biblical scholar. We have several liberal Bible scholars who post on this blog, including chris and boob, and now LOL. I tell 'ya, life can be a real surprise. Who'd a guessed it?

[seekeronos]

"--- ...using the KJV, the most phony-baloney english translation I can think of... ---"

It stands as the only reliable translation of God"s word in English.

Other popular versions such as the NIV and even the NASB are tainted with the poisonous hands of occultists Hort & Wescott, not to mention being derive from the Alexandrian stream (false) manuscripts.

If you want the true word of God, use a Textus Receptus Bible like the KJV. If you want omissions and even some outright fabrications, use any of the "new" English versions (most of which are slight mods of one another due to copyright issues).

And yes, before you trot out the shakespeare/Psalm 46 horse, you might be interested to know that this has ben discussed before: older translations such as the Bishop's Bible and the Geneva Bible, which predate Shakespeare by some years, also have that "shake" and "spear" in them.

[LOL]

ROFL I can't believe you call yourself a real Christian using the KJV, the most phony-baloney english translation I can think of.

[Worst President Ever]

Total, unadulterated BS. Do you have a clue about US history? Ever hear of The New Deal? The Fair Deal? The New Frontier? The Great Society?

[crawlspace]

Worst President Ever or Totally Heterosexual Conservative, whatever you choose to call yourself, you're just blowing smoke out of your ass. I guarantee you that Kennedy, Truman, LBJ and a number of other Democrats would be ashamed to be Democrats today. They would never support the kind of crap liberal Democrats are proposing today. You see, they fought against the communists, not for them and their ideas. Quite a turn of events, and I'm sure the Democrats you mentioned are spinning in their graves at the leftist shit being proposed by the Democratic Party circa 2008. It's disgraceful.

[Worst President Ever]

To claim that FDR, Truman, Kennedy, LBJ would be conservatives today is laughable on its face. None of them would have EVER been a part of today's Republican Party.

The real truth is most Republican presidents of the past wouldn't recognize their party or be welcome in it. Roosevelt, Eisenhower, Nixon, Ford would all be too "moderate" for today's party. Rockefeller would be run out of the party on a rail.

Today's Republican party has lost it's way and it bent on governing ideologically, with no concern about competence or the real needs of the common man.

[SacTownMan]

Harpo said,

"I am having trouble accessing the posts.

Anyone else have this problem? Only when I post can I see the last 20 or so."

Hey are you paranoid or something?

[seekeronos]

"--- Seeker this is pretty interesting.....and much kinder than my own opinion.
http://www.slate.com/id/2190482/ ---"

ANd much kinder than my opinion as well.

I call it whoredom and adultery with the things of this world, as the Bible does:

"----- Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God. -----" (James 4:4, KJV)

A Christian should not fall in love with the devil's false counterfeits and imitations of the vile things of this world.

"-----
15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
-----"
(1 John 2: 15-17, KJV)

Taking the wretchedness of American pop culture and dressing it up with the cross of Christ is no worse an abomination than the original work; wherefore Christians are to be separate from the world, and not be drawn away by its lusts.

[Fred Beloit]

Hahaha, Harpo is having so much trouble commenting he will forget to vote for his fav duo, Hill and Bill. The more I see of Ms. O. the better the First Husband, Mr. Former President Mom, is looking.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Yeah, wouldn't have hurt Dan to make a post mentioning how he was modding up the page."

Seems only decent to have let us in on the secret............

[WAHOO WILLIE]

;

[IslamoLlama]

*gives TK a cookie*

Yeah, wouldn't have hurt Dan to make a post mentioning how he was modding up the page.

[templar knight]

Ok, I think I've figured this new thing out. The little arrows allow you to access the pages after they fill with comments.

[templar knight]

My comments keep disappearing. I guess some consider that a good thing.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Seeker this is pretty interesting.....and much kinder than my own opinion.
http://www.slate.com/id/2190482/

[jharp]

Scrapiron,

I see you didn't get any brighter in my absence.

"jharp is still rewriting history. Democrats fought to keep the blacks as slaves."

I was clear as can be that Liberals were the ones to thank. Not democrats.

[jharp]

I am having trouble accessing the posts.

Anyone else have this problem? Only when I post can I see the last 20 or so.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

Harpie have you voted yet?

[seekeronos]

It might be some trouble posting due to the new WP mod that Dan added for the multiple paging functionality?

I notice that my posts aren't taking until I refresh twice.

[seekeronos]

It might be some trouble posting due to the new WP mod that Dan added for the multiple paging functionality?

I notice that my posts aren't taking until I refresh twice.

[templar knight]

Is anyone out there?

[jharp]

test

[seekeronos]

Me? "elitst" (sic) ?

But THC is right on one thing: What God says is final!

"--- For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. (Psalm 119:89, KJV) ---"

"--- Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.(Psalm 119:160, KJV) ---"

Unlike the Taliban, we aren't trying to _kill_ homosexuals. We just disapprove of that sinful lifestyle, and to the degree that such a lifestyle is destructive, it should be prevented from being on an equal par with what God has established:

"---
4 And he answered and said to them, Have you not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
---" (Matthew 19:4-5 KJV)

And let us not forget that we Christians aren't the ones trying to exterminate the Black race in America:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57526

Now that is some elitism from our lefty friends for sure.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

jharp, forget it. You'll never crack the elitst skull of an individual who can always find some phrase or passage in a book to justify his belief that others should not be afforded equal process. Such has been the case for all of human history. You see it doesn't matter what anyone *thinks* because *God* has already decreed X, Y, and Z!! Just ask the Taliban.

[seekeronos]

For Moe:

"--- Hey, God smote Sodom and Gamora, not to mention leveling Jericho. ---"

And the attempted rape of Lot's guests and Lot himself by the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah was only the icing on the cake , and not the cake itself.

God did not smite the Cities of the Plain because all the 'mos were hanging out there. He did so as a judgment upon them for several hundred years of selfishly closing up their hearts against the poor and defenseless, for their arrogant pride of live, and their wicked idolatry wherein they exalted themselves and the works of their hands above God.

In short, we might not be very surprised to find that ancient Sodom and Gomorrah (as well as the other cities that were destroyed, five in all) were quite like modern America, where secular humanism is assaulting faith, and seeks to exalt frail, sinful human experience against the everlasting and righteous God.

This vaunted "human wisdom" leads to abstracting away absolutes such as murdering infants and unborn babies as either "sacrifices for the greater good" (population control/earth fertility) or considering unborn children as "useless parasites, "blobs of flesh", or "unwanted trash". It also "allows" perversions and destructive deviances such as homosexuality and polyamory and heterosexual debauchery to flourish. And in the end, it results in a godless devaluation of life in all its ways, as some folks become "less human" than others, or are found to be disposable, as those who have the rulership decide that they are accountable to no one but themselves.

The homosexual rapists were a tiny, tiny fraction of the many symptoms which lead to those cities' judgments from God.

Jericho likewise, as well as the other Canaanite cities that were delivered up to the Israelites were under God's judgment... and remain as the only case for God's holy War. By which I mean that the directive to slay the wicked in the manner of the ancient Israelites is a not a standing order for today's Christians, but is a closed, fulfilled, and historical matter left in God's word to inform us of how God views sin, and the certain and terrible consequences of His judgments should we neglect to heed Him.

[IslamoLlama]

Personally, I'm a bigger fan of the "MLK was a Republican" wingnuts. Guys who will doggedly stand by and declare that King would have voted for Nixon and Reagen if he'd lived past '68 despite being spied on by Hoover's FBI, accused of being a communist by the National Review, and having his affirmative action and reparations ideas regularly used as a bogey-man of radical angry blackness by future Republican leaders.

The White Flight of the 70s and 80s never happened for the modern wingnut crowd. That Texas flipped from Dixiecrat Democrat to Redneck Republican - along with Mississippi and Alabama and Georgia and Florida - just proves how the modern GOP is way more racial friendly than those evil ACLU NAACP Voting Rights Act income redistribution modern day Democrats.

The fact that 92% of black people vote Democrat just proves how good the Democrats are at lying to black people. The fact that voter registration purges by GOP office holders target largely black neighborhoods is a pure coincidence.

[seekeronos]

Another quote from the same article:

"---
Do you realize the South, before the War, was extremely wealthy? And the South before the War funded probably 75 to 80% of all the taxes. But the North wanted a 40% tariff. The south said no. The most we will ever agree to is a 10% tariff. And what Lincoln and the radical republicans were doing was this: They were saying we would give you the thirteenth amendment. We will let you keep your slaves if that is what you want. You just let us keep our tariffs. In other words, the North was willing to sell the blacks out for money, for higher taxes! They could care less.

You see, Hapgood's book, _Abraham_Lincoln,_The_Man_of_The_People_, on page 273, quotes Abraham Lincoln as saying, "If I could save the Union without freeing any of the slaves I would do it." Abraham Lincoln later said that slaves are property and if freed they should be paid for. Later on Lincoln said, "I have no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in the states where it exists. I believe I have no lawful right to do so and I have no inclination to do so." Now here Lincoln is acknowledging that he has no lawful right to interfere with slavery. Slavery, by the way, was constitutional. All thirteen colonies agreed on it and by the way, in 1776, all thirteen colonies held slaves, not just the South, all of them! Lincoln said, "I have no lawful right to interfere nor," he says, "do I have an inclination to do so." In a letter to Alexander Stevens who happened to be later the Vice President of the Confederacy, Lincoln wrote and said this, "Do the people of the South really entertain fear that a Republican administration would directly or indirectly interfere with their slaves, or with them about their slaves? If they do, I wish to assure you that once, as a friend, and still I hope not as an enemy, that there is no cause for such fears. The South would be in no more danger in this respect than it was in the days of Washington." So once again, Lincoln is saying it's not over slavery.
---"

[seekeronos]

Hold that thought on Lincoln: he might have had racist thoughts after all...

http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/rebel_flag.html

(pertinent quote is about halfway down this rather long article)

"---
Listen to what Lincoln said in a speech in Charleston, Illinois, 1858. Lincoln said, "I am not now nor have ever been in favor of bringing about in any way the social or the political equality of a White and Black races. I am not now, nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor of intermarriages with white people. There is a physical difference between the white and black races, which will forever forbid the two races from living together on social or political equality. There must be a position of superior and inferior and I am in favor of assigning the superior position to the white man." - Abraham Lincoln.
---"

[IslamoLlama]

"-- No matter your politics, I don't wish in serious harm to come to you. --"

Unless you're one of those gays, or atheists, or S[a]tan worshipping Muslims. Or, you know, you get inside shotgun range.

"-- So, please tell me seeker, is imprisoning and torturing a man without charges and bombing a country into the stone ages as evil as having affection for someone of the same sex? --"

Hey, God smote Sodom and Gamora, not to mention leveling Jericho. But you don't see him running around boofing people up the rear end, do you jharp?

[seekeronos]

"--- Lincoln was dead as a hammer when slavery ended. ---"

Aye, but it was Lincoln who was a principle "change agent", along with the other abolitionists who pressed the issue much to the ire of the slaveholding Democrats. Not that the Whigs were that much better, either.

[bobInStamford]

After a long day of supporting the troops, I was driving home last night and, while stuck in traffic, was behind a crappy Econoline van. It had the requisite 'W04" sticker on on side and another that said "Proud of My Conservative Values". I wondered how proud the patriot-driver was of the fact that he drove around in a shitty van that got 12 miles to the gallon. At least he can sleep at night knowing that no A-rab was going to steal his precious means of transportation.

You heroes inspire me. Thank you for your service!!

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"And for the intellectually challenged I'm aware Lincoln was a republican."

Actually Harpie you can take comfort in the truth about the end of slavery. Lincoln was dead as a hammer when slavery ended. It was a demonrat president and a repugnican congress who ended slavery.

[seekeronos]

"--- seeker isn't it funny how all those books say they have the one true God and/or faith? Why should I take your word over Mohammed's or anyone else's? ---"

LOL:

Well you see, that is where faith comes in.

But as Jesus said of Himself, if you are looking for someone to believe in, look at the fruit - the productive work - of His works. His ministry.

Healing the sick.

Raising the dead.

Giving sight to the blind.

Feeding the hungry.

And most of all, sacrificing His life for all of our sins, and having the power through God th Father to rise again to defeat death.

What did Mohammed or any other figure do along those lines?

Last I checked, Mohammed, though one might say is a product of his time and his culture (6th century Arabia) ... was not a man of peace by any stretch of the imagination.

Again, look at their works and compare them, and ask yourself again who would be the best example, and a prophet worth heeding.

[Fred Beloit]

Tell me, Harpo, is torturing people with outlandish false charges just as bad as waterboarding? We haven't bombed any countries into the stone age, now have we, Harpo? Whom have we bombed into the stone age?

True, Democraticic President Truman gave the OK to use the A-bomb on two of Japan's cities. But in the long-run Japan with some help from us recovered and even surpassed its history. Well, not its military history.

[Fred Beloit]

LOL declares the question: "Why should I take your word over Mohammed's or anyone else's?"

I must agree with LOL, seek. It is widely recognized that Islam is the religion of peace. Ask Harpo, chris, Moe, or CAIR or Hamas; they'll tell you.

[Fred Beloit]

Gee, if I had been granted admission to Princeton, forgive me this flight of fancy if you can, I could have written a thesis with a title like this, "Princeton-Educated Punks from Chicago and the Chicago Punk Community". They do say, don't they, that writers should write about what they know about.

[Fred Beloit]

Speaking of mixed marriages, C. Hitchens in Slate wonders whether Ms. Obama may be behind Barack's association with Wright. He also makes this point concerning Princeton and the high performance standards it demands of students.

"I direct your attention to Mrs. Obama's 1985 thesis at Princeton University. Its title (rather limited in scope, given the author and the campus) is "Princeton-Educated Blacks and the Black Community." To describe it as hard to read would be a mistake; the thesis cannot be "read" at all, in the strict sense of the verb. This is because it wasn't written in any known language."

[LOL]

"90% of the blacks today are slaves to the liberal welfare system"

90% of blacks are on welfare? Hmm... but it's the liberals, not you, who are the racists?

got it.

[LOL]

seeker isn't it funny how all those books say they have the one true God and/or faith? Why should I take your word over Mohammed's or anyone else's?

[seekeronos]

for jharp:

Torture is definitely wrong. As is imprisoning citizens w/o charges.

Bombing nations with whom we are at a constitutionally declared war with should be done in a manner so as to limit the destruction done to noncombatants, i.a.w. Geneva conventions.

There are definitely flaws - especially where sinful and flawed people who conduct the war (focusing particularly on leadership) employs relativist reasoning toward the accomplishment of GWOT goals.

This is not to say that we should do evil in order that good may come; the Bible teaches us otherwise.

[Scrapiron]

jharp is still rewriting history. Democrats fought to keep the blacks as slaves. They established the KKK to try and force blacks to toe the line. Democrats fought the civil rights act tooth and nail until overridden by the republicans. KKK Kleagle Byrd (D) still serves in the Senate.The court system still hasn't changed or has gotten worse, the liberal judges do all kinds of crazy things in the name of liberalism, which is surely a mental illness. 90% of the blacks today are slaves to the liberal welfare system and the democrats dare not let it die or there goes 20 million votes. Add the dead voters to the 20 million welfare votes and very few working Americans vote for them.

[jharp]

"Evil is to be punished and restrained, and not sanctioned."

So, please tell me seeker, is imprisoning and torturing a man without charges and bombing a country into the stone ages as evil as having affection for someone of the same sex?

[seekeronos]

"--- Keep in mind, seeker, that you are in the minority. There are more non Christians than there are Christians in this world. ---"

"One plus God is a majority", or so the saying goes.

Sadly this is true: even when accounting for the 1.2Bn souls who could be umbrellaed together as "christians", whether Catholic, Protestant, Mormon, Evangelical, Fundamentalist, or otherwise, there are nearly as many Muslims and certainly as many Buddhists and other religions.

However, a religion (or even religious convictions) do not make one right. Only the Creator is righteous, and His word is truth, and is preserved through the power of His Son, who is called the Word of God, and our Redeemer King.

Therefore, because His words are Faithful and True, it behooves us to obey Him, and I must also deny that they are merely the written words of mere men (though God uses mere men to do His will and His work).

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The words of the LORD are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. (Psalm 12:6, KJV)

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Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him. (Proverbs 30:5, KJV)

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For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:21, KJV)

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1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (John 1:1-4, KJV)

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For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. (1 John 5:7, KJV)

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And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. (1 John 5:20, KJV)
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Pleased be assured that regardless of what you or I may *think*, God's Word is absolute... and is absolutely true. In short, whenever it s a question of right or wrong, God is always right, and we are bound to be wrong when we stray from God's word.

I'd like to think that even here in America that Christians have some effective influence due to our numbers, (for the time being, Christians and Christian-minded folk are a majority in the USA) but this also is on the wane as Hollywood-sponsored godlessness, unbelief and hatred for God's ways becomes the norm for this nation.

However, as I said, the Bible-believing, Bible obedient Christian must resist evil, and where possible, do his part in our participatory, representative Republic to oppose any attempt by a corrupt state to turn God's law aside that it may embrace wickedness.

Evil is to be punished and restrained, and not sanctioned.

[templar knight]

boob, when I apologized to all, that included you. No matter your politics, I don't wish in serious harm to come to you.

[jharp]

"Your problem would not be with me, but with the Creator."

No, I have a problem with people like you who use the written words of men to deny equal rights to a fellow American.

Keep in mind, seeker, that you are in the minority. There are more non Christians than there are Christians in this world.

I respect your right to worship as you wish but detest you using the Bible to discriminate.