Yeah, Blame It On The White Folks

This whole racism as regards Obama deal is really starting to irritate. As Geraghty points out, Obama is carrying the black vote by over ninety percent.

Whites aren't voting nearly as monolithically for the color of the candidate, as are blacks. Yet, because many white voters don't support Obama, obviously the bulk of them must be racists.

So, when will the media start asking the black community why it is so racist in their rejection of the wife of "the first black president?"

Oh, I forgot, they'll get a pass. No tough questions allowed, what with the affirmative action-oriented curiosity of the mainstream media. They're an oppressed people, after all.

What a crock!

Comments

[c]

Come November I'm sure many blacks will vote for the guy who voted against the MLK holiday. Really. Many.

[IslamoLlama]

Hehe. Yeah. After Katrina I honestly don't know how you can still play the "Durr... why aren't black people voting Republican?" card. There's a certain level of willful ignorance that leads a conservative to question a black person's political loyalties.

I think the real question you need to ask yourself is why all the white people are voting for Obama despite the fact that he's black. If this was a purely racial thing and had absolutely nothing to do with Obama's leftist, socialist, tax-and-spend, moonbat policy positions, shouldn't white people be turning out in droves and throwing their support almost exclusively to Clinton?

The truth isn't lodged in skin pigmentation. The truth is lodged in political ideology. Everybody and his kid brother is voting Democrat this election cycle. The only real racists are the die-hards that can't see past the color of people's skin for their political affiliations.

[IslamoLlama]

Oh, and Fred. He's also a giant racist.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Hehe. Yeah. After Katrina...."

So, basically you think black people are stupid? Not smart enough to know that their Dem governor and dem mayor failed them when they needed them most?

[IslamoLlama]

"-- So, basically you think black people are stupid? --"

That would be the sound of a man jamming fingers firmly in his ears.
"Lalala blame the Democrats Lalala"
I think the mayor and the governor have had their own difficult political fights and have suffered greatly for their errors. But neither of them are running for President.

This guy is:
http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/X/e/1/mccain_bush_brokeback.jpg

[WAHOO WILLIE]

""Lalala blame the Democrats Lalala""

You so disappoint me Pookie, you're smarter than that. You intentionally meant to lay the whole Katrina fiasco on the repugnicans and you know better. Dont think I'm not completely happy to let George and the horse groomer share responsibilty, they just dont deserve all of it and you know it.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- You intentionally meant to lay the whole Katrina fiasco on the repugnicans and you know better. Dont think I'm not completely happy to let George and the horse groomer share responsibilty, they just dont deserve all of it and you know it. --"

I'm not the one you have to convince. After Katrina, there's some 45 million black people who have that much less faith in the GOP. Combine this with repeated, publicly aired attacks against Obama and you've got a very galvanizing force. Limbaugh's "magic negro" song, Clinton's Wright wing assault, McCain's disdain for MLK Day...

The black community has absolutely no reason to vote against Obama. None. Democracy works on incentives. Candidates need a reason to show up to the pools and pull a lever. Obama offers progressive reforms and domestic/foreign policy that benefit the black community. McCain and Clinton offer conservative platforms and a domestic/foreign policy that are detrimental to black people.

It is specifically because I think black people aren't stupid, that I understand them voting for Obama.

[Paul]

Hey, MSM! How many blacks are anchors, editors, executives, etc.?

While we're at it, how many live near you and attend the same soirees that you attend?

[Joe]

How can anyone talk about Katrina without mentioning that it was a natural disaster? There is no secret, underground bunker where Dick Cheney controls the weather and goes after black people. Geez. And yes, the President had fair warning to do something, but at least five days before the Hurricane the PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS had fair warning to get out, too!

If blacks in the South are mad at Republicans for Katrina, then I'm mad at Democrats for the Myanmar cyclone. Honestly, why couldn't the DEMOCRATIC Congress get aid to the victims quicker?

[joeb]

When is the last time you had a black person over for dinner?
Whites will vote white in Nov. just like blacks will vote black. Blacks are 12 per cent of the population. You do the math.

[Paul]

There is no secret, underground bunker where Dick Cheney controls the weather and goes after black people.

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Be careful, now! You are being too sane in your thinking; remember, no conspiracy theory is too far-fetched when it involves a conservative.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"When is the last time you had a black person over for dinner?
Whites will vote white in Nov. just like blacks will vote black. Blacks are 12 per cent of the population."

Well joeb, I actually had dinner with a brotha last night, granted not here. It has been since February that one was actually in my home. I even stole my blogging name from a Jamaican/American whom I dine with often. The rest of your comment is pretty racist really and pretty inaccurate at least as far as whites voting white. Probably as blacks voting black as well since there are some pretty high profile black repugnicans out there.In your analogy though I guess we better make ready for President McCain..........Damn there has to be an alternative to you partisans.

[Bobby Jindal]

Hey, IslamoClown, Google me, you moron!

[chris]

Does anyone have the form to nominate Wahoo Willie for an NAACP Lifetime Achievement award? Surely he values the fact that he eats with colored people. He should receive recognition for it.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"colored people"

Why do I suspect that that isn't the only offensive term you use on a regualr basis.

[Spartan112]

Not all the failures of Katrina happened after the event. Some happened years before as miles of wetlands were removed. Wetlands that absorb storm surge.

[Some guy]

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Yeah, because higher taxes and more govt. control over the economy are not nearly as important in the day-to-day concerns of people as is one day off in February.

In short: whoever bases their vote on the MLK holiday, shouldn't be voting in the first place.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- And yes, the President had fair warning to do something, but at least five days before the Hurricane the PEOPLE OF NEW ORLEANS had fair warning to get out, too!

If blacks in the South are mad at Republicans for Katrina, then I'm mad at Democrats for the Myanmar cyclone. Honestly, why couldn't the DEMOCRATIC Congress get aid to the victims quicker? --"

Lols! The stupid, it burns.
Tell a guy with no car to evacuate the state. Tell a guy who moved to the Superdome - a recognized shelter - that he shouldn't have shown up. Tell the elderly who were left in their homes why no one came to rescue them. Tell the people who fled to Houston why they were turned out on the streets.

Tell the people stuck in fungus-infested trailers why the black mold that poisoned their lungs isn't such a big deal. Tell everyone in the wards outside the French Quarter why relief money sat in federal accounts for months or years without being spent. Explain why the drainage pumps - purchased from a company owned by Jeb Bush - had to be replaced a second time because they didn't work. Explain why $400k condos were built with reconstruction money while people who'd been rendered homeless had to wait years to get insurance checks cashed. Detail the wisdom of passing out $2k debit cards with absolutely no oversight to hundreds of thousands of people - then complaining whenever the money was improperly spent.

The Katrina Disaster didn't become a true disaster until years after the Hurricane had passed. But wingnuts refuse to acknowledge the waste and abuses that their administration presided over. These are very unpleasant facts. Much easier to pretend the Mayor and the Governor were equally to blame, then to even pretend that the GOP was successful in hurricane relief.

As Bobby Jindal how he got elected Gov. Then ask Cazayoux (LA-6) how he won his congressional seat. Louisiana polls are getting flipped left and right. That doesn't change the fact that federal level GOP cronies screwed up very hard and are paying the price at the national level.

[IslamoLlama]

And then there's another set of statistics worth looking at.

Let's look at some other demographics Obama got, with the percent

% of vote % for Obama
IN: People with college degrees 35 56
NC: People with college degrees 44 57

IN: First time primary voters 19 69
NC: First time primary voters 22 60

IN: Independents 23 54
NC: Independents 19 45*

IN: Liberals 39 56
NC: Liberals 42 63

IN: Urban 33 60
NC: Urban 27 66

IN: White 17-29 year-olds 12 54
NC: White 17-29 year-olds 8 57

IN: All 17-29 year-olds 17 61
NC: All 17-29 year-olds 14 74

IN: 17-64 year-olds 86 52
NC: 17-64 year-olds 80 60

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Lols! The stupid, it burns."

Pookie you have no idea how foolish that all looks. Yeah, the feds handled it all wrong but the state and local authorities could have prevented all of it. ALL of it.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Why do black folks feel suspicious of the GOP?

"[I] couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship .... There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.'" - Bill O'Reilly

"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The negroes of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." --Pat Buchanan, reflecting on 1950s race relations in his autobiography.

"The white people of the South are the greatest minority in this nation" - Strom Thurmond

"I want to say this about my state. When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years either." - Trent Lott

It's a mystery!!

[Some guy]

Gosh, I must have missed the part in the US Constitution where it says that the Govt. bears FULL and TOTAL responsibility for all damages should a natural disaster occur.

So does the guy without a car have no friends or family with one? Bus? Train? Airplane?

Dan Riehl: You seem like a good guy, but you truly attract the most inane and foolish lefty posters on the planet. Seriously. Were you a serial killer in a past life or something and have to make up for past sins?

Hey, Islamo, got any, you know, evidence to back up anything you've written? Or does masturbatory anger suffice? You are such a perfect "victim," dude, it's scary. Does anyone have a responsibility to take care of themselves?

[Some guy]

>>Why do black folks feel suspicious of the GOP?<<

Because they don't know the first thing about economics is my guess.

Blacks tend to go to work sooner than whites and die sooner (around 65), thus they never get their Soc Security money that they paid for their whole lives.

If more blacks voted R, and the R's carried through with plans to partially privatize SS, then Blacks would benefit bigtime economically.

But nice to see that Lefties are more concerned with their Socialism than to actually help people.

[Some guy]

How the hell are the 2 bottom quotes racist? They both point out things that O'Reilly and PB observed, that decades ago blacks and whites used to congregate more with one another. This is racism?

Good God, you guys are brain damaged.

"[I] couldn't get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia's restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it's run by blacks, primarily black patronship .... There wasn't one person in Sylvia's who was screaming, 'M-Fer, I want more iced tea.'" - Bill O'Reilly

"There were no politics to polarize us then, to magnify every slight. The negroes of Washington had their public schools, restaurants, bars, movie houses, playgrounds and churches; and we had ours." --Pat Buchanan, reflecting on 1950s race relations in his autobiography.

[templar knight]

Some guy, the telling photo for me in the whole Katrina mess showed the hundreds of buses sitting in flood waters, ruined, when all anyone had to do was use them to drive people out of NO prior to the hurricane. But don't expect moonbats to be able to distinguish who really was at fault in NO, although I don't want to excuse the lunacy of the guy in charge of FEMA at that time.

And I quit feeling sorry for the people of NO the day they re-elected the idiot(Ray Nagin) who failed to get them out of there in the first place. Ignorant fools is how I would describe the lot of them. And that kind of governance is what we are about to get in Washington. What will be truly funny over the next four years will be watching the idiots trying to explain away the carnage. All we're likely to get is more ruined buses.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Gosh, I must have missed the part in the US Constitution where it says that the Govt. bears FULL and TOTAL responsibility for all damages should a natural disaster occur."

Guy; One 'could be' good thing came out of Katrina. A President may now go knock on a governor's front door and *ask* if the state wants fed help. The question has to come directly from the president and the states still have the option to tell him to go jump rope. Local authorities can request help from military bases more readily than before as well. Of course *MOST* installations already have MAU's that allow immediate response from emergency services.........Just think, Nagan could've called several bases and asked for buses and trucks to augment the 2000 that he let drown.

[seekeronos]

The odd thing about the 1950s and today is that people generally had less issues with congregating among their own people.

Notwithstanding injustices like Jim Crow and the like, I'd say that generally speaking, people tend to be more comfortable and prefer the company of their own kinds.

But where different kinds of people meet, we should encourage them to act in courtesy and common kindness to one another.

[Some guy]

TK and WW: Yeah, the buses in water and the reelection of Nagin, what a crock.

I hate to say it, but I lost all my compassion the first week when I saw 'Nawlinsians' laughing and smiling in their makeshift camps in front of the TV cameras. Katrina was a terrible NATURAL DISASTER that was used by the Left to beat up on Conservatives. Gosh, when will the lefties shed a tear for Katrina's Mississippi misadventures? Oh, wait, never. Because no political points to be made.

To all the RWV lefties: help me understand this, please. So the govt. royally screwed up royally, yet you still trust the same people to run the health care system.

[Some guy]

I got no problem with what Seek wrote down below.

Oh, I love how Boneheaded Lefty Clone #22343 used a Bill O'Reilly quote. 1) BOR is not a republican and 2) he's never been elected to public office.

>>The odd thing about the 1950s and today is that people generally had less issues with congregating among their own people.

Notwithstanding injustices like Jim Crow and the like, I'd say that generally speaking, people tend to be more comfortable and prefer the company of their own kinds.

But where different kinds of people meet, we should encourage them to act in courtesy and common kindness to one another.<<

[seekeronos]

"--- So the govt. royally screwed up royally, yet you still trust the same people to run the health care system... ---"

Generally, letting the government do things that are outside its constitutional role is a recipe for disaster, and leads to even more loss of liberty.

Single Payer on paper looks like it could work, after the fashion of RomneyCare in MA or Hilda's or Johnny Mac's ideas, but I for one am incredibly leery of giving the government even more of reason to grow bigger and more intrusive.

Especially when we must look at ways to trim the Federal Government down.

[tally]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiM-6ZnW2LI

[olivia]

IslamoLama, sounds like your familiarity with NoLa extends to having seen it on TV. We live nearby. About a week after the water receded we drove over to see the damage. There were cars EVERYWHERE. Parked right where they left them, in the driveway outside the garage, on the curb in front of the house, lined up in apartment building parking lots. Thanks to the endless-party mentality that permeates New Orleans, despite warnings of those of us in the region who HAD lived through a recent 'cane (Ivan), these folks just decided to stay put and hold hurricane parties. They weren't stranded carless - and those who didn't have cars could have been evacuated by their mayor if he'd had the presence of mind to load them into city schoolbuses. It's not as if Katrina ended and the city suddenly filled up with water. Those who hung around for Katrina could still have gotten out before the city flooded.

I say let the Gulf finish what Katrina started. May get my wish, too; seems some of the recent levee repairs were done with *newspaper*. (There's another irony.)

[Hillary is to blame for Hillary's failures]

1. Black people have been voting for white politicians forever. So the notion that black people "are just as racist," i.e., won't vote for white politicians, is ridiculous on its face.

2. Hillary had a majority of black voters nationally until her campaign started race-baiting in the run-up to South Carolina. That's how she lost "the black vote." I imagine David Duke would get similar numbers. And the reason is not "reverse racism".

3. The media's slandering of downscale whites is mainly a classist affair. Upscale (white, liberal) media types are the ones peddling it. It's just regular ol' liberal media bias.

[syn]

"Black people have been voting for white politicians forever. So the notion that black people "are just as racist," i.e., won't vote for white politicians, is ridiculous on its face."

Yes, and women have been voting for white politicians forever (after they received the right to vote after the black man did)

Yet how come no one is making the point about just how sexist are Democrat voters, I mean, historically speaking, out of all the identity groupings the female was the last to receive the right to vote.

Therefore, historically speaking, electing the first female president is profoundly more historical.

I don't like CLinton because of her politics which I abhor and her party's dreadful game of identity politics however, I am appalled that the Woman is once again being treated like John Lennon said "Woman are the n-word of the world".

Hillary Clinton has been fighting for the Democrat Party long before Obama came along, however what did the sexists do, they voted for The Man.

Got that enlightened Democrat voters, you voted for The Man, which makes you Male Chauvanist Sexist Pigs!

Democrats created this identity sewer, now they're going to have to live in.

[bobInStamford]

Now if only that broken, angry old man would release his sure-to-be-enlightening medical records, you guys could be WINNERS in November. You know, like in Iraq. In the meantime, remember to fill up the tank often. You have a VICTORY to pay for.

[Philip McDaniel]

“Explain why the drainage pumps - purchased from a company owned by Jeb Bush - had to be replaced a second time because they didn't work.”

Well, I’ve been away for a while on business but scanning through messages here today I see this little gem from IslamoLlama. So, what company would that be? I wasn’t aware that Jeb Bush owned any pump company, drainage or otherwise. I think you are referring to axial flow pumps, some of which are manufactured by MWI out of Deerfield Beach, Florida. Yes, some axial flow pumps in New Orleans did fail – but that was due to lack of maintenance and general incompetence on the part of those responsible for operating the equipment.

I guess it is obvious to anyone carefully reading your comments that you don’t know what you are talking about. What do you do? Do you put a bunch of names, comments, and wacked out ideas Into a bag, shake it up and then draw out sentences to post?

[IslamoLlama]

"-- We live nearby. About a week after the water receded we drove over to see the damage. --"

"-- I say let the Gulf finish what Katrina started. May get my wish, too; seems some of the recent levee repairs were done with *newspaper*. (There's another irony.) --"

Dear Residents of NO,
Fuck you, I've got mine.
Sincerely,
Olivia

Yes, yes. We know, Olivia. You just hate, hate, hate all those poor stupid people who didn't evacuate when you did. The billions of mismanaged funds - culminating in levees patched by newspapers as you pointed out - is entirely the fault of NO residents.

The post began with a question. Why are all the black people voting for Barack Obama. Dan concluded "reverse racism". I pointed out how the GOP mismanaged Katrina at the federal level. Wingnut posters pointed out how the Dem Governor and mayor botched the job too, but failed to point out which of those two people was running for President. The national black populace of the United States knows who its friends are and who its enemies are. Democrats have, historically, stood behind them on education, on social programs, on voting rights, and on justice issues. The GOP has been outspoken in its distaste for any policy that benefits the black community at large. That the GOP also has ties to outright racist organizations like Storm Front and the KKK. And they're repeatedly caught in racist gaffs, like George Allen's "Macaca" comment. And the noose he had in his office. And his relationship with the Council of Conservative Citizens.

Why on earth wouldn't black people vote for Barack Obama? All this talk of racism and elitism and class warfare, but I've yet to hear any compelling reason for black people to vote McBush in '08. You guy's aren't total retards. You know why rich white Christians vote GOP - taxes and abortions. Those just aren't major issues for the black population. Perhaps that's what you aren't getting.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- MWI is owned by J. David Eller and his sons. Eller was once a business partner of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in a venture called Bush-El that marketed MWI pumps. And Eller has donated about $128,000 to politicians, the vast majority of it to the Republican Party, since 1996, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. --"

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,258602,00.html?sPage=fnc/specialsections/naturaldisaster

From a source even you can trust.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

LLama: I suspect the only black people you "know" are from the workplace and of course on television. You failed to use Katrina as a valid reason why blacks will vote for Obie over a GOP candidate, but wouldn't back down from a bayonet. That's fine, go google something. I did like the reference to macaca though.....from the party of the KKK grand poobah. Where was the outrage when people were calling Condi Rice "Aunt Jemima"? Of course, you'd never admit that it's all partisan bullshit and that there isn't a nickel's worth of difference between these to fake ass parties.

[seekeronos]

Blacks generally support the black candidate partially out of being a fellow co-ethnic, and mostly because he is a democrat.

Democrats have kept the black man in political chains since the LBJ era, and have no intention of letting them off the plantation. The few who do choose to break with the socialism and social engineering schemes of the Democrats through ingeniuity, hard work, and determination are often ridiculed as "Uncle Toms" and "Aunt Jemimas" who have rebelled against their "class interests".

Let's face facts, people: the average black American knows which party butters his bread, and it is the party of socialism and government largess and elitist crypto-racism -- The Democratic Party.

Why work and build yourself up to high levels of success, when you can have a modest life like anyone else - all at the expense of "The Man". Especially when your own community will most likely resist your every step to lift yourself out of dependence upon the government for every little thing.

[templar knight]

Bye, friends, I'm off to NYC. See 'ya Sunday.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Why work and build yourself up to high levels of success, when you can have a modest life like anyone else - all at the expense of "The Man". Especially when your own community will most likely resist your every step to lift yourself out of dependence upon the government for every little thing. --"

See, this logic might have worked in the 60s when government welfare and New Deal social programs were more widely available. But the GOP has been "reforming" the system since 1980. We've seen deep cuts to federal housing programs, food stamp programs, job training programs, college grant programs, and medical services. GOP Presidents have been more than happy to dip their fingers into the Social Security trust fund to pay for every new military spending increase from Star Wars to Iraq Wars. Then, after paying off their corporate cronies with tax cuts to some of the most profitable industries in the country, they come back crying over how black people can't pull themselves up by their own bootstraps.

Take about knowing who butters your bread, the American business tychoons have been smoozing the right-wing for years. Exxon, Raytheon, Halliburton, and AT&T donate millions every year to Congressmen, Governors, and Presidents. That these massive corporations seem to favor the GOP doesn't bother you. That they also receive billions in tax breaks and government contracts from their GOP crony congressmen doesn't seem to bother you either.

So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Black people know where their tax dollars go if they vote GOP. They know where it goes when they vote Dem. They'd be stupid to vote for a party that doesn't give to shits about them. Why anyone would vote for a party that openly advocates a government run by incompetent boobs who soak up all your tax money and refuse to give anything back "Tough love, bitches! This is earmarked for a bridge in Alaska!" is totally beyond me.

Maybe there's something extra magical about watching 50 cents on every dollar you pay get pissed away on loser wars and the military industrial complex. Maybe watching the Department of Justice turn into a Liberty College Career Fair and international joke makes you feel like your money's been well spent. Maybe you're happy that the Department of Homeland Security is contracting out Sci-Fi writers Larry Niven and Orson Scott Card to pitch security ideas. Or maybe black people are just smart enough to know when the GOP has completely collapsed as a viable political option and you just haven't caught up yet. Who knows?

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"See, this logic might have worked in the 60s"

LLama can you possibly be anymore full of cow chips? The black middle class has expanded faster than whites moving up during you GOP catastrophie period and during the eight years of Clinton, stealing from SS and cutting welfare also occured. Were you even alive in the 60s?

[seekeronos]

"--- Exxon, Raytheon, Halliburton, and AT&T donate millions every year to Congressmen, Governors, and Presidents. ---"

Yes, this is defintely a problem.

Hear then my (not altogether modest) proposal:

a) Federal Elections and Primaries. All candidates forbidden from accepting private or corporate donations - they must use only public funds, and are limited to as follows:

--- 1) POTUS Primary, $5M for all primary candidates for parties that held ballot access in over 2/3 of the states (in 34 states) in the previous presidential contest.
--- 2) POTUS General Election, $5M in addition to whatever their primary funds, AND an equal distribution of whatever unused funds from primary contenders who withdrew or were eliminated are collected and re-distributed equally to the remaining nominee from each party, INCLUDING third party candidates with ballot access in 34 or more states.

--- 3) Senate Primaries, $500k for any senate primary contender whose party had ballot access in their respective state within the past six years.
--- 4) Senate General Election, $1M for any party's Senate candidate with ballot access in the previous six years, along with a re-distribution of any unused funds from eliminated or withdrawn primary challengers.

--- 5) House Primaries, $100,000 for any Representative primary contender whose party had ballot access within the past two years in their respective state.
--- 6) House General Elections, $300,000 for any party's Representative candidate with ballot access in the previous two years, along with an equal redistribuion of any unused funds from eliminated or withdrawn primary challengers.

--- 7) Independent challengers shall be able to self-fund and/or receive donations only from 529 organizations in an amount not to exceed the limits for publicly funded party candidates commensurate to the offices sought as described above, with strict accounting thereof made to the FEC.

--- 8) Stern penalties should be prescribed for any violators who receive or use unauthorized funds.

--- 9) Funding for this shall be derived from the general budget.

--- 10) States and major municipalities shall be left to determine funding procedures for gubernatorial and state legislature contests, but also shall be encouraged to adopt a model along these lines i a manner best fitting that state's budget and electoral laws.

b) Term limits. All federal elected positions limited to a maximum of two terms, regardless of position or term length.

There's more I can think of, but I gotta eat. :)

---

[IslamoLlama]

"-- The black middle class has expanded faster than whites moving up during you GOP catastrophie period and during the eight years of Clinton --"

Yeah. In the blue states. Down in Mississippi, Alabama, and Florida, not so much.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- There's more I can think of, but I gotta eat. :) --"

All great ideas. Many of them were championed by the GOP back in the early '90s. None of them got implemented. The GOP was absolutely reform-o-phobic after 2000. And the funny part is that it wasn't even the GOP rank and file that was so hard to manage. The leadership - Gingrich, Army, DeLay, Lott, Frist, Bush - whipped the reformers into line or out of the party. And the rank and file voters let it happen.

The Democratic grass roots won't allow that to happen like the GOP did. DKos and MoveOn have done a much better job in whipping their Congresscritters into action than the RedState / Limbaugh counterparts. If you want to see reform - for now at least - the GOP is a lost cause. Pick your favorite flavor of Dem (there's plenty to choose from) and push for the reform you want. Phone bank, block walk, donate. Then come back and see which of your suggestions took. But all your dreams of political correction are just that until you can bring your representatives back in line.

[Philip McDaniel]

"-- MWI is owned by J. David Eller and his sons. Eller was once a business partner of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush in a venture called Bush-El that marketed MWI pumps. And Eller has donated about $128,000 to politicians, the vast majority of it to the Republican Party, since 1996, according to the Center for Responsive Politics. --"
All well known here in Florida, IslamoLlama. And the Eller family has always been a strong supporter of the Republican Party. 128K? Much more, I would guess. All legitimate and above board I might add. The family and company are well known and respected here in Florida and in many parts of the world where they do business. They build quality products and are honest and reputable business people. The fact that Jeb did business with them marketing pumps is irrelevant to anything that happened in New Orleans…or in your muddled head do you think he & David blew up Katrina? Or perhaps they snuck into the pumping stations and sabotaged the pumps? Take your trashy left-wing ranting somewhere else – where people as ignorant as you congregate.

[seekeronos]

"--- DKos and MoveOn have done a much better job in whipping their Congresscritters into action than the RedState / Limbaugh counterparts. ---"

The main reason for this, I think, is that RedState is way too married to the NeoCon agenda, and the small handful of GOP operatives running that site are much too busy trying to hammer down anyone who just might have a different or a better way of doing things. Paleocons and libertarian-leaning conservatives are usually shown the door or the banhammer fairly quickly. They have tried to imitate the Kossacks as far as enforcing a single-minded loyalty to a particular brand within the GOP, but unfortunately, it is the same old junk and baggage from G.W. Bush, just retreaded for McCain. And God forbid you accuse anyone (especially an admin) there of being a neocon, that will get you a chilly response 11 times out of 10.

Limbaugh... to be polite... is an overpaid clown. Funny to listen too sometimes, but waaaaay to full of himself, and a bit too enamored of his book deals and his syndication to really want to make waves in favour of solid conservative policy: if anything, he would likely benefit from a Democratic landslide in November, as it would give him much grist for his mill for the next four years.

DKos - from what I can tell - is not representative of the typical moderate Democrat. I believe he wants to leverage the far left in a bid to bring the "center of mass" of the Democratic Party more to the left. MoveOn is largely a George Soros vehicle, 'nuff said there.

As for me, I am nearly convinced that the GOP is pretty much with the walking dead at this point, yet to hit the floor.

I cannot bring myself to vote for any Democrat this year (while I voted D in 2006 because my former congresswoman was so incredibly inept and corrupt, there is a far more qualified Constitutionalist running for that seat), and my heart is rejoicing in the Constitution Party's nomination of Chuck Baldwin (no relation to the acting clan).

Long shots, the whole lot of those Libertarians and Constitutionalists... but God has shown me a few good downticket choices as well as Pastor Baldwin for our POTUS.

[cindi]

McCain and Clinton offer conservative platforms and a domestic/foreign policy that are detrimental to black people.

It is specifically because I think black people aren't stupid, that I understand them voting for Obama.

Posted by: IslamoLlama | Wednesday, May 07, 2008 at 03:34 PM

detrimental to black people? how so?

[Bob Agard]

Yes, it is a crock, and thanks for saying so.