Obama Swaps Gas Guzzler For Hybrid

It really irks me when politicians talk like this below. Now in Obama's case, keep in mind that thermostat he allegedly keeps at 72 degrees is in a "stately" $1.65 million dollar home. Quite a house for four people, looks like each has their own garbage container in this pic. Funny, I don't see a recycling bin. lol

And he dumped his Chrysler 300C for a Hybrid ... in 2007.

My, my, the Senator seems like something of a late comer to energy concerns, now doesn't he? I wonder why the change?

Obama:

"We can't drive our SUVs and eat as much as we want and keep our homes on 72 degrees at all times ... and then just expect that other countries are going to say OK," Obama said. "That's not leadership. That's not going to happen," he added.

Where was the leadership until 2007, Senator? Looks to me like it wasn't there at all, in more ways than one. Maybe it still isn't. He rides in a Secret Service SUV today, after all.

Comments

[seekeronos]

"--- He rides in a Secret Service SUV today, after all. ---"

Right on up there with "Silky Pony" Edwards and his 28,000 s.f. villa, or the Clinton's Chappaqa digs.

I don't think that Toyota makes a bullet-proof Prius, much less anything by an American automaker for a hybrid or electric car like the Th!nk made by a Norwegian company.

In fairness to any of the senators running for POTUS, I can't say that there hasn't been a very well-off (net worth over $1M USD) candidate for POTUS in either party for quite some time, probably not anyone in living memory.

Poor middle-class schlubbs who gross less than six figures usually don't have the connections or the gold to run for the job.

[Buzzy]

Makes perfect sense in a nation where you have high gas prices with no shortage and global warming was thought up as a ponzi scam.

[joeb]

On another Obama matter the story today is Obama says "Lay Off My Wife" to the GOP in Tenn. who are running ads criticising his wife for her statements about not loving America before her hubby ran for Prez. Barry says lay off Michelle. That she is not fair game. I disagree. John Kerry's wife is one of the MAIN reasons he lost. His wife was a total negative liability. The Dems could not sell Teresa to the American voter. And neither will they like to think of Michelle as first lady. Like it or not the spouse plays an important role in who gets elected. And the reason is that even though they are not elected they still will represent America if they are married to the Prez.
Barry is wrong on this. What his wife says and does is open to criticism and that should be true of all spouses of candidates for Prez. He is making a mistake in trying to tell voters that she is not an issue. She is.
Cindy MCain will be an issue also since she refuses to release her tax returns. Much will be made out of that by the MSM and the Dems. I personally think she is right not to release her returns since they file separately. She also as stated family privacy concerns.
Barry and Michelle must learn that politics is a contact sport and that goes for spouses as well as candidates.

[joeb]

On another Obama matter the story today is Obama says "Lay Off My Wife" to the GOP in Tenn. who are running ads criticising his wife for her statements about not loving America before her hubby ran for Prez. Barry says lay off Michelle. That she is not fair game. I disagree. John Kerry's wife is one of the MAIN reasons he lost. His wife was a total negative liability. The Dems could not sell Teresa to the American voter. And neither will they like to think of Michelle as first lady. Like it or not the spouse plays an important role in who gets elected. And the reason is that even though they are not elected they still will represent America if they are married to the Prez.
Barry is wrong on this. What his wife says and does is open to criticism and that should be true of all spouses of candidates for Prez. He is making a mistake in trying to tell voters that she is not an issue. She is.
Cindy MCain will be an issue also since she refuses to release her tax returns. Much will be made out of that by the MSM and the Dems. I personally think she is right not to release her returns since they file separately. She also as stated family privacy concerns.
Barry and Michelle must learn that politics is a contact sport and that goes for spouses as well as candidates.

[SacTownMan]

Dan asks,

"Where was the leadership until 2007?"

Where was Barry before 2007? Oh yea he was a "Community Activist". What the hell does that mean anyway? On his resume he couldn't have just put son of a communist, grandson of "typical white person", friend of domestic terrorist couple, "Black Liberation Theology Trained"? Rezko could have been a reference on the job application.

He did give the opening at the 2004 convention right. Same as Bill did at the 1988 convention. See the pattern here?

Where was Kerry before 2004. Oh yea he was hiding from the wife and Gengus Khan (actually one and the same).

Where was Clinton before 1992. Just follow the trail of stained dresses

Where was Carter before 1976. - Who Cares!

The standard democrat tactic of pulling these nuts out of their arse just in time to run for POTUS is amazing. The fact that the country continues to buy it is "priceless".

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

"Cindy MCain will be an issue also since she refuses to release her tax returns. Much will be made out of that by the MSM and the Dems. I personally think she is right not to release her returns since they file separately. She also as stated family privacy concerns."

Hillarious. You people don't even bother with the guise of intellectual consistency any more.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Now in Obama's case, keep in mind that thermostat he allegedly keeps at 72 degrees is in a "stately" $1.65 million dollar home. --"

I think Dan is just offended by the fact that Obama only has one home. Try to keep up, you honky-wanna-be! McCain has eight!

And since Republicans are the only politicians allowed to be wealthy, by owning a big house and previously owning an SUV, Obama proves that he's exactly like Joseph Stalin, ie a Communist.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Where was Barry before 2007? Oh yea he was a "Community Activist". What the hell does that mean anyway? --"

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/community
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/activist
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=community+activist&btnG=Google+Search

This should help.

"-- Where was Kerry before 2004? --"

In the US Senate as a representative of Massachusetts since '85.

"-- Where was Clinton before 1992. Just follow the trail of stained dresses --"

Governor of Arkansas

"-- Where was Carter before 1976. - Who Cares! --"

Governor of Georgia.

You left out Dean (Governor of Vermont) and Gore (VP for eight years and Senator from Tennessee since the 70s). But, even then, you're going for sheer brute ignorance here, so I can't blame you for missing those two.

Seriously, though. The cheer leader for the Bush Presidency has the balls to talk down to two other former Governors and a Senator of 23 years. I just... I don't know where to begin. Where was John McCain? Where was Mittens Romney? Where was Mitch McConnell? Where was John Boehner? I mean, we could play this game all day long, or we could all just consult wikipedia and get the answers to our rhetorical questions. We might even get better insults than rather bizarre comparisons between Teresa Kerry and Ghengus Khan (Is she secretly asian? Does being a ketchup heiress have something to do with conquering much of northern Europe and Russia? I don't get it.)

Seriously, not that any of you other wingnuts are stellar intellectuals, but SacTownMan seems to embody a sort of childish willful ignorance that infests the modern conservative mind. I know you guys worshiped William F. Buckley because he was the iconic conservative mind. I didn't think you worshiped him because he was the only one you had.

[joeb]

THC: A Foolish Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. I think Emerson said that.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds


A great person does not have to think consistently from one day to the next. This remark comes from the essay “Self-Reliance” by Ralph Waldo Emerson. Emerson does not explain the difference between foolish and wise consistency.

[seekeronos]

Don't mind teh Llama, folks.

He gets cranky when he thinks that someone might be able to out-do him on either snarkiness or his ability to parse through Wikipedia to dig up commonly known facts about past and current candidates.

[Lala]

here's the brave new world of Obama

http://www.ucbcomedy.com/videos/play/1506

[SacTownMan]

Troll alert!!

Hey Lame-O,

Feeling the love as usual pal.

Try and follow along concerning the reference to Kerry's ketchup momma.

In testimony before congress after Vietnam your "butt shot" war hero related the following stories' from his fellow asshat budies;

"They told the stories at times they had personally raped, cut off ears, cut off heads, tape wires from portable telephones to human genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly shot at civilians, razed villages in fashion reminiscent of Genghis Khan, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned food stocks, and generally ravaged the country side of South Vietnam in addition to the normal ravage of war, and the normal and very particular ravaging which is done by the applied bombing power of this country."

So, and this may be hard for you to follow, I infered he was hiding from his shrew wife (aka Attila, Genghis et.al.).

Man it's hard to use subtle humor around someone that is so hateful.

Gotta love those democrats supporting the troops though!

[Spartan112]

I'm not sure the Secret Service owns any Prius'. Is that Obama's fault? It would be idiotic of him to not accept the protection of the SS given some of the whackos in this country.

[seekeronos]

"--- I'm not sure the Secret Service owns any Prius'. Is that Obama's fault? It would be idiotic of him to not accept the protection of the SS given some of the whackos in this country. ---"

Well, FWIW, if Obama really wanted to respect Mother Gaea, he would forgo the travel on jet aircraft and the bulletproof SUV squadron and travel by train - AMTrak all the way.

After all, trains are the most energy efficient people mover. And think of the media buzz it would generate, as Obama groupies would pee themselves for the chance to ride the Obamessiah Train into each campaign stop!

Who knows, it might give yet give wheels to McSame's Straight Talk Express as well.

[Poosier]

Oh yeah let's bring the wives into play. Since Cindy, is a confirmed drug addict, stole drugs from her charity and can't keep the books, so her husband can claim ignorance in the Keating 5.

Yeah that should work.

[Scrapiron]

So now we know. After 4 years of Hussein O we won't be begging for a conservative POTUS, we will be begging for food and heat.

[seekeronos]

"--- So now we know. After 4 years of Hussein O we won't be begging for a conservative POTUS, we will be begging for food and heat. ---"

Indeed we will.

And that is always how the socialists like things - with the "proles" begging for Big Government to keep them fed... just barely, so that we will keep lining up for more.

[Yoda]

For idiots, Hybrids are.

My 98' diesel Jetta gets 55mpg, it does.

[LOL]

so you'd prefer a preznit with no environmental concerns?

[syn]

All Obama is saaayyyiiing is that he wants America to be just like South Africa where when starving immigrants fleeing from say Zimbabwe can be beaten and burned for sport.

Or like Zimbabwe where the once cornucopia of the African continent is now a dustbowl of desperation, disease and starvation.

Or just like the Congo where the UN peacekeepers can rape children without remorse.

That's all Obama is saaaayyyyyiiing.

[bobInStamford]

Whine all you want, patriots - B. Hussein Obama is going to take your guns and put a surcharge on Nascar tickets (due to the sport's stupidity and waste of gasoline).

Enjoy 2008, its all downhill from here!!!

[Spartan112]

"For idiots, Hybrids are.

My 98' diesel Jetta gets 55mpg, it does."

And yet the cost of operation is still higher...diesel being nearly a dollar more per gallon. In my neck of the woods you have to plug in a block heater on your diesel 5 months out of the year using yet more energy.

[Souther Values]

Of all the blogs I read, this one has the most consistently petty and lame comments and always brings out the wacko’s. Your thin attempt at broaching real issues fails due to anger and “issues” with Obama’s race. Well, my multi-cultural friends, let me inform you of a basic point – 80% of Americans feel the country is heading in the wrong direction. George Bush and Republican Party own that. I am so happy to finally see the average voter start to understand the tactics & wedge issue politics of the conservative movement and how it has so deeply failed themselves and the American system of justice. Don’t worry thought - after the Dem’s win big time in Nov., you all will have years of opportunity to bitch about things. It seems to me that’s all you care to address since any thing of substance is so rarely discussed here.

[seekeronos]

"--- Of all the blogs I read, this one has the most consistently petty and lame comments and always brings out the wacko’s. ---"

So trouble yerself no further, and close this browser window. Buh-bye!

"--- Your thin attempt at broaching real issues fails due to anger and “issues” with Obama’s race. ---"

Not really. In fact, some of us would vote for the brotha if he didn't hang out with terrorists (Ayers) or were such a pompous twit (BitterCling) or accept endorsements from radical liberation theology preachers who hate America. And since you seem to care about Obama's ethnicity, he is 50% white, 25% black, and 25% Arab. A quadroon, if I am not mistaken.

"--- Well, my multi-cultural friends, let me inform you of a basic point – 80% of Americans feel the country is heading in the wrong direction. George Bush and Republican Party own that. ---"

This may be so, but is not necessarily a mandate for Obama. As I recall, Hillary is still in the fight, and there are plenty of independents who might have swung for Hillary who will likely split in significant numbers for McCain.

Obama is a wee bit uncomfortably far to the left for these fiercely independent voters who are leery of socialism, and find the Old War Horse a bit more reliable than the young upstart from Chicago.

BDS aside, you might find that that useless herd of cats you call a Democratic Congress hasn't done much better (even with its slim majority) to thwart the evil Chimperor McRoveBushBurton, aside from floating all sorts of earmarks and assorted pork attached to nearly every bill it has passed.

GOP or Democrat, the Congress seems quite happy to govern spending our grandchildren's inheritance while forfeiting its proper Constitutional roles to check and to limit the Chief Executive and the SCOTUS (and federal courts) from acting capriciously.

The change that Americans want is to take a scourge to the seats of the Congress as a whole, to remove these coddled and parasitic rapscallions who have helped plunder our treasury and violated our trust; rest assured that this is not merely on partisan lines, but rather, this election shall prove to be a referendum on the gross incompetence of Congress as well as that of the Bush administration.

"--- I am so happy to finally see the average voter start to understand the tactics & wedge issue politics of the conservative movement and how it has so deeply failed themselves and the American system of justice. Don’t worry thought - after the Dem’s win big time in Nov., you all will have years of opportunity to bitch about things. It seems to me that’s all you care to address since any thing of substance is so rarely discussed here. ---"

Perhaps they will, and perhaps we will. Until and unless we, the people demand CONSTITUTIONAL governance, we shall continue to exist at the leisure of these parasite career politicians whose only talent is to secure for themselves unfettered access to the feeding trough filled with your tax revenue.

If you REALLY want change for the better, vote for Christian Constitutionalists.

Support men like Chuck Baldwin - http://www.baldwin2008.com and the Ron Paul Congress.

[seekeronos]

"--- And yet the cost of operation is still higher...diesel being nearly a dollar more per gallon. ---"

Not necessarily. In my area, (NYC metro) diesel is about $4.75/gal over regular unleaded at $3.95/gal.

If I average 25mpg with my gas car and travel 100mi per week, I'm using 4 gals at $3.95/gal = $15.80

The same with Yoda's diesel would be 100mi/55mpg = 1.82gal at $4.75/gal = $8.67

Scale up as needed, and assuming Yoda keeps his engine well tuned and maintained, he will always get better mileage than me.

Of course, an EVEN better deal would be this bad boy:

http://www.teslamotors.com/

135mpg equivalent, for only $0.02/mi.

If you care to wire me $100,000 I'll be more than glad to test it out and let you know how it works. :P

"--- In my neck of the woods you have to plug in a block heater on your diesel 5 months out of the year using yet more energy. ---"

Fret not, my liberal poster acquaintance. For when Obama Magnus wins and is crowned Emperor of North America, everyone living on farms (aside from those poor saps who will be turned into farming model Cylons) will be forcibly relocated into high-density living in gubmint efficiency flats in the inner city to save space and energy, and we'll use mass tranist whether we like it or not.

[Lala]

I haven't seen this in any newspapers - has anyone here?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/05/18/31-000-scientists-rejecting-global-warming-theory-be-named-monday31,000 Scientists Rejecting Global Warming Theory to be Named Monday
Photo of Noel Sheppard.
By Noel Sheppard | May 18, 2008 - 17:12 ET

The names of over 31,000 American scientists that reject the theory of anthropogenic global warming are to be revealed on Monday.

Although this will occur at the National Press Club in Washington, DC., it seems a metaphysical certitude media will completely ignore the event.

[Sothern Values]

"--- Of all the blogs I read, this one has the most consistently petty and lame comments and always brings out the wacko’s. ---"
So trouble yerself no further, and close this browser window. Buh-bye!

READ – IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH US – GO AWAY.

"--- Your thin attempt at broaching real issues fails due to anger and “issues” with Obama’s race. ---"
Not really. In fact, some of us would vote for the brotha if he didn't hang out with terrorists (Ayers) or were such a pompous twit (BitterCling) or accept endorsements from radical liberation theology preachers who hate America. And since you seem to care about Obama's ethnicity, he is 50% white, 25% black, and 25% Arab. A quadroon, if I am not mistaken.

YOUR ABOVE COMMENT CLEARLY INDICATES YOUR “ISSUES” WITH RACE. YOU WRITE LIKE AN OLD GUY SO MAYBE YOU DON’T CARE – BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO DO IN A COUPLE OF DECADES WHEN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE BROWN?

"--- Well, my multi-cultural friends, let me inform you of a basic point – 80% of Americans feel the country is heading in the wrong direction. George Bush and Republican Party own that. ---"
This may be so, but is not necessarily a mandate for Obama. As I recall, Hillary is still in the fight, and there are plenty of independents who might have swung for Hillary who will likely split in significant numbers for McCain.
Obama is a wee bit uncomfortably far to the left for these fiercely independent voters who are leery of socialism, and find the Old War Horse a bit more reliable than the young upstart from Chicago.
BDS aside, you might find that that useless herd of cats you call a Democratic Congress hasn't done much better (even with its slim majority) to thwart the evil Chimperor McRoveBushBurton, aside from floating all sorts of earmarks and assorted pork attached to nearly every bill it has passed.
GOP or Democrat, the Congress seems quite happy to govern spending our grandchildren's inheritance while forfeiting its proper Constitutional roles to check and to limit the Chief Executive and the SCOTUS (and federal courts) from acting capriciously.
The change that Americans want is to take a scourge to the seats of the Congress as a whole, to remove these coddled and parasitic rapscallions who have helped plunder our treasury and violated our trust; rest assured that this is not merely on partisan lines, but rather, this election shall prove to be a referendum on the gross incompetence of Congress as well as that of the Bush administration.

I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT IF THE DEM CONGRESS PUSHED FOR IMPEACHMENT THEIR APPROVAL RATING WOULD DOUBLE OVERNIGHT
"--- I am so happy to finally see the average voter start to understand the tactics & wedge issue politics of the conservative movement and how it has so deeply failed themselves and the American system of justice. Don’t worry thought - after the Dem’s win big time in Nov., you all will have years of opportunity to bitch about things. It seems to me that’s all you care to address since any thing of substance is so rarely discussed here. ---"
Perhaps they will, and perhaps we will. Until and unless we, the people demand CONSTITUTIONAL governance, we shall continue to exist at the leisure of these parasite career politicians whose only talent is to secure for themselves unfettered access to the feeding trough filled with your tax revenue.
If you REALLY want change for the better, vote for Christian Constitutionalists.
Support men like Chuck Baldwin - http://www.baldwin2008.com and the Ron Paul Congress.

THIS IS WHERE OUR VALUE SYSTEMS DIFFER. I HAVE DEEP DISTRUST IN CHRISTIANS DUE THEIR ALIGNMENT WITH THE R’S ( I.E. CHRISTIAN CONSTITUTIONALISTS, END TIMERS, CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS, ETC. ) AND THEIR CONSISTENT DRUM BEAT OF BEING A VICTIM. I WAS RAISED IN A CONSERVATIVE FAMILY BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A OVER-RIDING OPINION OF “LIVE AND LET LIVE”. IF YOU DIDN’T LIKE MY LIFE STYLE, AND YOU KEPT TO YOURSELVES, I DIDN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO JUDGE SINCE I DIDN’T WANT YOU JUDGING ME. IF I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU BELIEVING IN A MAGIC SKY MAN, WHY DO CARE IF I DON’T?

[Fred Beloit]

Here we go again (from MyWay):

"There's $108 billion remaining from Bush's war funding request for the 2008 budget year ending Sept. 30. But the White House appears willing to lump that request together with $70 billion to carry the war into next spring, as well as Bush's $5.8 billion request to construct levees in Louisiana.

That puts Bush's request at $183.8 billion - more than $10 billion below the Senate measure."

Congress wants to spend more than the President. Nothing new about that.

[chris]

No use getting angry. Think of it as a trip to the museum. Like an exhibit of the way things used to live a time long gone. Now, aren't they quaint? Amusing? Yes, they are.

[Fred Beloit]

Oh goody, another new commenter to whom English is a second language and to whom thinking and humor are foreign altogether.

"BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO DO[sic] IN A COUPLE OF DECADES WHEN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE BROWN?"

Answer: By then science and technology will have provided a better brand of pancake makeup. I'll use it. Una seniorita hispanica hace mucho calor. I'll court and marry one. Then my chica and I will move to Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Finland, Russia, Australia, New Zealand, Slovenia, or Wyoming to avoid paying reparations for events that happened long before we were born and for which we have absolutely no responsibility.

"I HAVE DEEP DISTRUST IN CHRISTIANS DUE THEIR ALIGNMENT WITH THE R’S ( I.E. CHRISTIAN CONSTITUTIONALISTS, END TIMERS, CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS, ETC. ) AND THEIR CONSISTENT DRUM BEAT OF BEING A VICTIM. I WAS RAISED IN A CONSERVATIVE FAMILY BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A OVER-RIDING OPINION OF “LIVE AND LET LIVE”. IF YOU DIDN’T LIKE MY LIFE STYLE, AND YOU KEPT TO YOURSELVES, I DIDN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO JUDGE SINCE I DIDN’T WANT YOU JUDGING ME. IF I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU BELIEVING IN A MAGIC SKY MAN, WHY DO CARE IF I DON’T?"

Majic Sky Man? Is this Obama you are talking about Southerly Vulvas? Do care? I don't.

[seekeronos]

"--- READ – IF YOU DON’T AGREE WITH US – GO AWAY. ---"

That's pretty much it in a nutshell. I don't particularly like to read the stuff the nutty Kossacks over at DailyKos like to put up, so I don't waste my time looking at it. Freedom of Speech is a beautiful thing, and even greater is the freedom not to have to listen to opinions I expressly disagree with.

"--- YOUR ABOVE COMMENT CLEARLY INDICATES YOUR “ISSUES” WITH RACE. YOU WRITE LIKE AN OLD GUY SO MAYBE YOU DON’T CARE – BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO DO IN A COUPLE OF DECADES WHEN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE BROWN? ---"

"Old Man?" Well, such as I am, that would be a bit "ageist" of you to come to that conclusion, but I can see how you'd arrive at it. After all, I do believe that the GOP has gone far from its successful sphere in the days of Harding and Coolidge.

That aside, being married to someone of a different race than myself, I don't see myself as having issues with race. I do have a bit of a bias toward fools though, and tend not to suffer them lightly. Fools come in all colours and shapes and sizes. Of course, I've got my own sinful foolishness to combat against as well, as any redeemed sinner does.

As for Brown people, I've no problem with them at all. In fact, I suspect that brown is the default colour of human skin from the beginning, starting from Adam. What I do hope is that all Americans, despite skin colour, can speak the same language (English) and hold fast to the same ideals as a nation. Before too long, if we fail to assimilate ourselves into a single, God-fearing American culture, we shall cease to be a functional Republic' In that case, the best thing we could hope for would be to peaceably go our own ways and dissolve the Republic; but more likely, there would be much bloodshed given our stubbornness and hatred.

And FWIW, Democrats have historically been much quicker to bang on "inferior" races and other measures of socio-economic status than have been either Republicans or Christian Constitutionalists.

"--- I SINCERELY BELIEVE THAT IF THE DEM CONGRESS PUSHED FOR IMPEACHMENT THEIR APPROVAL RATING WOULD DOUBLE OVERNIGHT ---"

In 2006, before the surge had a positive effect, I think I'd have agreed with you. As of now, Bush has less than a year to do any further damage; an impeachment from hearings to an actual trial would likely exceed the amount of time left to his office, and would only create greater partisan strife. Both sides of the aisle realize this, and this presents a bar to any other compelling interest that may exist to carrying forward impeachment proceedings.

"--- THIS IS WHERE OUR VALUE SYSTEMS DIFFER. I HAVE DEEP DISTRUST IN CHRISTIANS DUE THEIR ALIGNMENT WITH THE R’S ( I.E. CHRISTIAN CONSTITUTIONALISTS, END TIMERS, CHRISTIAN ZIONISTS, ETC. ) ... ---"

Speaking for myself, I don't always agree with the R's. As for other Christians, I think that we tend to side with the R's on account of they tend to market themselves better to us than the Democrats do - modern liberalism lacks the appeal to us, where it endorses things that run counter to our beliefs, such as secular humanism, teaching that man is just a animal with a slightly bigger brain, materialism, and moral relativism.

The R's don't do a whole lot better, but I'd venture to say that they have done a largely better job of promoting values and principles we adhere to.

The flip side of this is that there are a LOT of "Christians" who say thus and thus, but are actually not very Christ-like. And a good many of them are not even believers, but are false workers.

"--- AND THEIR CONSISTENT DRUM BEAT OF BEING A VICTIM. ---"

Not too sure what you mean, but there are certain things that we are moved to point out as sin. Unrestricted murder of unborn persons (abortion). The homosexual agenda (for an extremely small segment of the population) to have such a shrill, loud, and overbearing voice as to their "rights", which has a much wider effect than one might think. These things are not "normal", nor are they acceptable to God. Let me underscore this by also saying that Jesus loves those unborn and the doctors and parents that murdered them, as much as he loves homosexuals and all other sinners.

But these are national sins, for which we may pay a dreadful price. And I'm not just talking about the obvious things like God's wrath, but the more indirect effects like destruction of families and the perversion of our moral fibre. These things _deeply_ offend God, and as God's servants, we are moved to speak out against these sins, that people might repent and undo the damage, as well as turn away God's wrath.

God is incredibly longsuffering (patient) and forgiving; but even He must judge sin when the nation has set heir heart to continue sinning in blatant disregard of God's law.

"--- I WAS RAISED IN A CONSERVATIVE FAMILY BUT THERE WAS ALWAYS A OVER-RIDING OPINION OF “LIVE AND LET LIVE”. IF YOU DIDN’T LIKE MY LIFE STYLE, AND YOU KEPT TO YOURSELVES, I DIDN’T HAVE A RIGHT TO JUDGE SINCE I DIDN’T WANT YOU JUDGING ME. IF I DON’T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH YOU BELIEVING IN A MAGIC SKY MAN, WHY DO CARE IF I DON’T? ---"

We care because... on the off chance that we are right... we would much rather see your soul saved from an eternity in Hell.

[seekeronos]

From our troll emeritus, "chris":

"--- Like an exhibit of the way things used to live a time long gone. ---"

Lovely how he thinks of people as "things", no? I pray that our new dread liberal overlords come November do not think as this "chris" does.

[Southern Values]

Boy Fred - you do come off as an angry racist. BTW, I’d move to Scotland. They have a tradition around New Year’s that its good luck to have the first person through your doorway a black person. Your black face makeup would make us all proud.

I also appreciated that you don’t care about anything that doesn’t line up with your very narrow world view. What do you do when you go to Wal-Mart and see all those “mud people”? Does it make you feel dirty or just mad?

[Fred Beloit]

Why Southerly, why are you trying to jam all your personal thought crimes (for which you feel guilty and with good reason) into my head? I just don't want to pay reparations for events I had nothing to do with. Is this wrong of me?

[seekeronos]

"--- I just don't want to pay reparations for events I had nothing to do with. Is this wrong of me? ---"

Indeed. Most of my ancestors were potato and beet farmers either in Prussia, Hessen, Schleswig-Holstein, Norway, England, Scotland or Ireland. One branch may have come to Massachusetts Colony, but as I hear the story told, they were too poor to afford a properly trained Negro.

So can I get an exemption on my reparations tax, Mr. Obama?

[Fred Beloit]

"YOUR ABOVE COMMENT CLEARLY INDICATES YOUR “ISSUES” WITH RACE. YOU WRITE LIKE AN OLD GUY SO MAYBE YOU DON’T CARE – BUT WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO DO IN A COUPLE OF DECADES WHEN THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS ARE BROWN?"

You've already demonstrated, Southerly that you are prejudiced based on age and religion and convicted another commenter of racism. Are these three attacks your thing? Can we look forward to more of the same in future?

[Fred Beloit]

Indeed, seek. To the best of my admittedly incomplete knowledge, neither side of my family was in the US in the 1860s (when the largely white soldiers of the Union Army set the slaves free by exceedingly violent and deadly force of arms) or before.

[Southern Values]

Fred – I’m not prejudice against age, just narrow minded, self-serving opinions. As for my race prejudice, your using the classic Right tactic of blaming the person saying something you, I sense, feel uncomfortable with, by stating I show those characteristics. Very lame.

As for religion, I really don’t have a problem with it. That is as long as religious people keep it as a personal view and don’t try to legislate it. That has not been the case with the Right.

[chris]

It saddens me to report that a great supporter of justice and (multiple) family values has decided to end his glorious service to the Island of Staten and the rest of America.

http://gothamist.com/2008/05/20/vito_fossella_a_2.php#comments

Vito is a true hero.

[Fred Beloit]

"I’m not prejudice against age, just narrow minded, self-serving opinions."

Sure, I understand, you mean opinions that differ from yours. This is the way all liberals feel. I guess they learn this in college.

"...blaming the person saying something you, I sense, feel uncomfortable with..."

Yes I blame people who accuse me of being a racist, you bet I do. Does it make me "uncomfortable" to be called a racist though I'm not? Yes, how about you?

"...as long as religious people keep it as a personal view and don’t try to legislate it."

Wonder if you would be so kind as to provide an example or two. But please don't use abortion as an example because many religious people view abortion as murder. If you viewed it that way, you too would want to outlaw it.

[Fred Beloit]

chris, LEST WE FORGET

From today's NYT:

"Former Representative Dan Rostenkowski, once one of the nation's most influential lawmakers, has tentatively agreed to plead guilty to two Federal corruption charges and serve 17 months in prison, a lawyer in the case said today.

Two years ago, Mr. Rostenkowski, a Democrat from Chicago, was indicted on 17 felony counts centered on the misuse of his office. They included charges that he hired no-show employees, received kickbacks from workers, embezzled money from the House Post Office and used Government money for personal and family expenses. Altogether, according to the indictment, the corruption involved more than $500,000.

Many other members of Congress have gone to prison over the years for official corruption. But none have been nearly as prominent as Mr. Rostenkowski."

[chris]

Dan Rostenkowski??? He's been out since the mid 90's!! You conservative-types really are miserably stuck in the past.

Hey, I hear that Boss Tweed guy was a crook too!!

Hahahaha!!

[Fred Beloit]

chris is amazing. He sticks the chris head into a round opening in the back canvas wall of a tent. Bam, a baseball hits chris square in the face. He pulls back wiping his eyes. He then sticks his head back into the opening. Bam. Ad infinitum.........

[Fred Beloit]

Oh chris, you so now. Me so two weeks ago last Saturday. But here is a recent case just for you: "I'd bet my bottom dollar that William Jennings Jefferson's folks taught him what all perceptive parents taught their black baby boomer children about the secret of succeeding in the racially challenged U.S. of A.: ''You've got to be twice as good as the white man.''

Somewhere along the line, the 60-year-old Harvard Law graduate forgot his upbringing.

U.S. Rep. Jefferson was arraigned Friday in federal court on charges of racketeering, money-laundering, soliciting bribes, wire fraud, obstruction of justice, conspiracy and violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. In total, the Louisiana Democrat racked up 16 violations of federal law and if convicted, he could face 235 years in federal prison." BAM!

[chris]

What about Gerry Studds!!! Oh, the humanity. He ruined the 70's!!

Cmon, neo-whig, laugh!!

Hahahaha!!!!!!

[Lala]

Since the non-religious do not want religion or God then I think it is time for a change to satisfy them

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,"

I vote for Creator to be changed to "big bang" although it doesn't sound too cool.

[Fred Beloit]

Obama say "We can't... eat as much as we want..." Oooouuuuwwwwaaa. Is this the guy who is photographed chowing down waffles and pancakes in every honky dinner in the uppaUS? He doesn't get fat though, bless his heart.

[Fred Beloit]

But chris, I am laughing...at you. Lala we need to change creator to Big Bam in honor of chris.

[Lala]

No wonder Feinstein is so rich. Is she the one who wouldn't let the minimum wage go up in Guam because it would hurt her husband's company, or was that Pelosi?

"Democrat war profiteer, imagine that
Thursday, March 29th, 2007

feinstein3.jpgSen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., has abruptly walked away from her responsibilities with the Senate Military Construction Appropriations Subcommittee after a report linked her votes to the financial well-being of her husband’s companies, which received billions of dollars worth of military construction contracts she approved.

As reported in Metroactive, an online report from the Silicon Valley, Feinstein’s resignation followed six years of subcommittee work during which time her alleged conflict of interest stemmed from her husband Richard C. Blum’s ownership of Perini Corp. and URS Corp.

Feinstein, chairman and ranking member of the subcommittee, regularly reviewed and accepted contracts from her husband’s companies for not only construction work for military bases, but also addressing “quality of life” issues for the veterans of the United States military services.

“As MILCON leader, Feinstein relished the details of military construction, even micromanaging one project at the level of its sewer design,” wrote Peter Byrne in the report. “She regularly took junkets to military bases around the world to inspect construction projects, some of which were contracted to her husband’s companies, Perini Corp. and URS Corp.”

He suggested perhaps Feinstein resigned “because she could not take the heat generated by metro’s expose of her ethics… Or was her work on the subcommittee finished because Blum divested ownership of his military construction and advanced weapons manufacturing firms in late 2005?”"

[seekeronos]

"--- As for religion, I really don’t have a problem with it. That is as long as religious people keep it as a personal view and don’t try to legislate it. That has not been the case with the Right. ---"

The same could be said for atheistic materialists who want to legislate their filth and their humanist immorality and force my children at an extremely early age to learn that it is perfectly okay for two men to engage in vile acts of sodomy and then dress it up under "marriage" as a political stunt to gain acceptance for a fringe, perverted practice by statistically minute segment of the population.

And also, that my kids should be locked in an auditorium to hear from professional "gay" therapists about how half of them are "hidden" gays, and that it is okay for them to come out as gay... AND they are forced to sign confidentiality statements which prohibit them from telling their parents about what sickening wickedness they had forced upon them?

Indeed! You tell me that my child cannot bring his King James Bible or talk to other kids about Jesus on public school grounds, for that is mixing "church and state", but now I have no say in preventing my little ones from being victimized and aggressively recruited by the sodomites?

Something just isn't right about that set-up.

There's something in there about a left-wing pot and right-wing kettle.

If Christians are "in a huff" over something like this, then I say it is long overdue that we spoke out against evil and vileness. If anything, we should have been more proactive since the 1960s against this menace.

"----- Like a trampled spring and a polluted well Is a righteous man who gives way before the wicked. (Proverbs 25:26, NASB) -----"