Is Hillary Too Legit To Quit?

So, like a bad cold, Hillary says she isn't going away. Heh!

Who would have believed at the start of all this, it would end with Democrats despising the Clinton's more than the Right?

So, what's the plan? Is something telling her she actually has a shot with the "He can't win" argument? Or does she simply want to bruise him up as badly as possible so he loses and she gets another shot in 2012?

I realize some are suggesting that's the deal. Frankly, I'm not so sure. I suspect she knows it is now or never and she isn't going down until the bell rings, or the Dem machine offers some serious plum. Could we end up seeing Hillary in a prospective Obama Cabinet if he wins?

I'm not even sure that would satisfy her ambition. But you never know.

Comments

[Miklo]

Billary is buying time to blackmail enough of the "Super delegates" and still make the Nom possible:

Outing extra-marital dalliances, toe-tapping incidents in public restrooms, money changing hands under tables... etc.

The Clinton machine has enough "leverage" to sway many of the Superdelegates and still lock this for Hillary Clinton!

Of course she should hang on - this could STILL be hers!

[seekeronos]

Obama's 57 states... a Freudian slip, perhaps?

Makes a guy wonder for just a split second how committed Obie is to interventionism or not.

After all, there are seven states (nations) we have vested interests in:

Canada
Mexico
Israel
Japan
Kuwait
Saudi Arabia
Iraq

And that missing eigth could be Iran, once we get around to conquering it...

[bobInStamford]

"oh dear obama goofs again."

This from a guy who voted for a stammering fool twice.

Semper Fi! Now go fill up the gas tank. Your leader needs the money to WIN wars!! Iraq will pay for itself one day - you'll see!!

[LOL]

I think it's obvious why she's staying in.

Whoever wins the nomination will beat McCain. And Democratic majorities in the house and senate are only going to grow after the election. A dem prez with a dem legislature would have a whole lot of power... who could say they would give up such an opportunity so easily?

[tally]

oh dear obama goofs again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws&eurl=http://hotair.com/archives/2008/05/09/obama-i-want-to-be-president-of-all-57-states/

[seekeronos]

"--- It is really shocking how television keeps getting worse and worse. ---"

Aye, it is called the "Hell-I-Vision" for good reason.

"--- I know one thing for sure. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination there is going to be a large number of disappointed women. ---"

Indeed, and their husbands may find themselves in the doghouse for more than a few nights as well.

[seekeronos]

Islamo: "--- And all this time I thought the major issues of this campaign were economic troubles, health care, and the Iraq War. Silly me. Turns out its about tan lines, penises, and wrinkles. ---"

You just don't know how true that really is: and this is a very potent factor in why people are falling in love with Obama despite even the powerful salvos of BitterCling and Crackerquiddick (Wright).

Americans are often exactly that dumb and shallow in aggregate.

jharp: "--- seeker, Jesus was a Liberal. ---"

Funny, I seem to recall having had this discussion before. :)

I think it would be more fair to say that Jesus was neither liberal nor conservative according to our frame of reference for how we use those words.

The more "socially progressive" ideas (love your neighbour as you love yourself, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, pursuing peace with all men where possible, etc.) that Jesus taught were actually affirmations of, or clarifications and refinements of God's Law as revealed in the Old Testament.

I see that there is some overlap, but God's law far outweighs the humanist and liberal notions of doing good for the sake of humanity; God's law is commended by His perfect love for us, whilst the humanist notion of it is at best motivated by a need to feel good about one's self for doing something "good". In short, the humanist version denies God, and seeks to replace Him with flawed, sinfully proud "human goodness".

Concerning the politics of Judea/Idumea and the greater Roman Empire, Jesus did not have too much to say outside of "Render to Caesar that which is Caesar's, and to God, what is God's" and the wider scope of Scripture generally teaches us to submit ourselves to all government authority, especially godly authority.

Nor did Jesus appear 2,000 years ago to physically usher in His kingdom, much less overthrow governments or politically agitate for people to follow Him (although people followed Him for His miracles and less so for His teachings).

He appeared to die for our sins, and when He comes again, He will do so with all power and glory, to establish His Kingdom given Him by His Heavenly Father.

So if a word to describe Jesus's political orientation is needed, I'd say that He was "conservative", in reference to His zeal for His Father's eternal sovereignty over the universe.

[joeb]

I don't respect any of those cable guys. I don't watch those shows. I was referring to the empty wasteland of commerical tv entertainment shows. And movies. It is really shocking how television keeps getting worse and worse. It has been dumbed down to reality shows,game shows,and soap operas both day and night. I certainly would not waste my time watching the political yappers on cnn and msnbc or fox.
Why do left wingers hang around conservative blogs? Can it be because Air America radio is so boring?
Well if Obama loses she can try again in 4 years. I know one thing for sure. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination there is going to be a large number of disappointed women.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Islamabama you over rate the intelligence of the American voter. --"

Stop treating Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson with respect and you'll respect the everyone else a bit more. Not everyone is as stupid as your standard cable TV news jockey.

[joeb]

Islamabama you over rate the intelligence of the American voter. Watch some TV shows and movies to learn at what level the average American brain operates on.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I think it would make a really interesting race with an Obama/Clinton ticket against a McCain/Rice ticket. The race and gender factors would cancel each other out. Then the Democrats could concentrate on attacking McCain on his age. --"

And all this time I thought the major issues of this campaign were economic troubles, health care, and the Iraq War. Silly me. Turns out its about tan lines, penises, and wrinkles.

[joeb]

OK. So it is over for Bill and Hillary. But he can't win without her. He can win with her. Even though I understand Obama's wife doesn't like Ms.Hillary Rodham Clinton they make have to make her the VP Hillary's supporters might take a hike. I think it would make a really interesting race with an Obama/Clinton ticket against a McCain/Rice ticket. The race and gender factors would cancel each other out. Then the Democrats could concentrate on attacking McCain on his age. He is most like no more senile that Ronald Reagan was when took office.
And despite what you hear not many young people actually vote. But old people can be counted on to vote.

[IslamoLlama]

Completely off-topic but absolutely full of LOLS.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/05/09/republicans-vote-against-mothers-day/#comments

The GOP will do - quite literally - anything to obstruct the House. A roll call vote so 177 Republican Congressmen can express their disapproval of Mother's Day. Seriously?

You know who I feel most sorry for in all of this? Ron Paul. That guy must cry himself to sleep at night.

[jharp]

seeker,

Jesus was a Liberal.

[seekeronos]

In re: Ward -

"--- I dunno. Was he one of your's or one of mine?

Man of God? Or a Liberal? ---"

It may involve quite a bit of stretching, but it is not impossible for men of God to have liberal opinions. Some Japanese Christians I know are rather liberal by American political metrics, although I attribute this more to a difference of political cultures among a few other things.

Given his background from the article, I tend to believe that he was much more politically active than he was a preacher of God's word or a winner of lost souls.

If anything, his perversion would cause me to question if in fact he was saved, or if he is truly saved, he had forgotten the sins from which his Saviour had redeemed him.

The nature of his sin being particularly heinous, (assuming that he was in fact saved) I'd say he had strayed for quite some time. For us Christians, this is one of the core meanings behind the verse "working out your salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12) ...

... because if we loose sight of the fact that we are accountable to God first and foremost, and we forget to daily walk with Him, it can have disastrous results: a shipwreck of their faith (1 Timothy 1:18-19).

[seekeronos]

"--- I suggest that you pray to the King of Kings - no, rednecks I don't mean Budweiser... ---"

That'd be the "king of beers", Bob. Although I'd hardly qualify Budweiser as being anything more than a "viscount of cruddy beers", or more likely a "baronet of beer-flavoured sludge".

A far better domestic brew can be found in many of the Yeungling offerings, as well as the reliable if not particularly outstanding Samuel Adams lines of beers.

Now a real "Die Königin unter den Bieren" or literally, "queen of beers" would be Warsteiner Premium Verum, a most excellent pilsner, or when available, the Doppelbock (for those of us who prefer a darker and headier brew).

[bobInStamford]

Um, a talkshow host??? Surely you heroes have something better than that. I suggest that you pray to the King of Kings - no, rednecks I don't mean Budweiser, to guide you through these difficult times. Your leader needs all 28% of you!!

[jharp]

seeker,

That Ward thing was interesting.

I dunno. Was he one of your's or one of mine?

Man of God? Or a Liberal?

And I was surprised by the sentence. I thought stuff like that got you 30 years these days.

[seekeronos]

"--- Since his indictment was unsealed, Ward has been confined to his San Francisco home, with electronic monitoring, as a condition of $250,000 bail. He has been allowed to leave only to work, to drive his children to and from school and to go to church. ---"

Ah. How progressive of SF to do this... it is remarkable that only a lifetime or two ago, such a person might very well have faced rather harsh justice at the end of a rope upon being found guilty.

[ET]

Hey boob...I'll see your pervert and raise you one.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/05/08/BAIR10J9JC.DTL&feed=rss.news

What is your point. All perves are republican? Only republicans are perves?

Oops, I forgot. Your the boob. You don't have a point, except for the one on the top of your head.

[crawlspace]

*...neener, neener, my percent kicks your percent's ass. Just trying to put it in language you can understand.*

You must be talking about the retard chris. He and his fellow dingbat bobinStamford are the twin retards of Riehl World View, and have captured some notariety on this blog as being the kings, or more accurately, queens of the one-liners. They are most likely a pair of gay lovers of the nerdy variety. Not only do they deserve each other, they are most likely the only ones who can stand each other. I don't even read what they write, but move on to the next post.

[bobInStamford]

Heavens, what is this? After a long day of supporting the troops I am greeted to news that an ardent proponent of FAMILY VALUES and the trooops has admitted to a, gasp, affair and has a, hold on, love child with the woman. The immediate reaction that you patriots might have is 'here we go again' but I suggest you look a bit deeper. Vito Fossella loves families and the military SO MUCH that he sought to show is gratitude for all that the trooops do by impegnating this retired Colonel AND expand his family value stance by having another child with a different woman.

The commitment and dedication shown by the party of family values and the trooops is awesome and humbling. Your reward awaits in November!

[jharp]

SacTown,

Hey Harpie does this qualify as a powerless democrat getting their cut?

She picked up the crumbs. 200K out of billions stolen.

Doesn't make it right but I'm more interested in the billions.

[SacTownMan]

"Like I said, I'm sure the democrats would have loved to get their cut. It just so happened they were powerless at the time."

Hey Harpie does this qualify as a powerless democrat getting their cut?

http://patdollard.com/2008/03/hillarys-campaign-manager-was-director-of-infamous-failed-subprime-lender/

You got to feel bad for those dems missing out on their piece of the action eh?

Feeling powerless all the way to the bank

[ET]

"Let me guess, you're part of the 28%".--chris

And you are part of the 21%. neener, neener. My percent kicks your percent's ass.

Just trying to put it in language you can understand.

[jharp]

Willie,

"Oh Harpie what can be done for you man? How long was Greenspan the money guru, through how many administrations? Each of those administrations allowed the Fed to "create" money and futz with interst rates. DO you REALLY think it was repugnicans who pushed banks to loan to people who should never have been allowed home loans?"

Certainly both parties share the blame.

However, the monetary policy, starting with the ceasing of reported the M3 money supply, under the current administration shares most.

Like I said, I'm sure the democrats would have loved to get their cut. It just so happened they were powerless at the time.

And just in case you missed it on the other thread. I hope you catch a lot of fish, be safe, and have fun on your trip.

[seekeronos]

concerning 3rd parties, they typically have no chance of making any impact. I am hoping that there may be a change as people realize that the two main parties have catastrophically failed to lead this nation according to the constitution, and have savagely encroached on individual and civil liberty.

May the death of the GOP and the looming self-destruction of the Democratic machine open the door to men & women who love liberty and honour our constitution...

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Are you freaking crazy?"

You don't understand SacTown. Nothing bad is going to happen,we just bought a new car, our kids will get scholarships for college and we'll be making over 50k year when our interest rate goes up 3% in five years.

[SacTownMan]

Well Chris I paid $72,000 for my house in 1988 at a whopping 11% interest rate. It appraised two years ago for $575,000 and my current loan is at 5.25%.

I happen to live in a highly sought after area that has maintained value quite well. Seeing as how I don't plan to go anywhere soon, my house will be paid off in about 10 years and I still have over $400,000 in equity so I'm doing just fine thanks.

As far as the folks who lied on their credit apps so they could buy a $600,000 home on $45,000 yearly income helped by unscrupulous lending practices I can only say --- Are you freaking crazy? ---

[chris]

"The Democrat Congress" job approval rating has fallen to 21%, according to the new Gallup poll".

So, using your 'conservative' logic, the party of Larry Craig and Vito (Lover Boy) Fossella should win big in November. Let me guess, you're part of the 28%.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"Hint. It wasn't democrats. Though I'm sure they would have liked to get their cut, they were powerless during the thievery."

Oh Harpie what can be done for you man? How long was Greenspan the money guru, through how many administrations? Each of those administrations allowed the Fed to "create" money and futz with interst rates. DO you REALLY think it was repugnicans who pushed banks to loan to people who should never have been allowed home loans? Created HUD and FHA? Sorry, it wasn't. The blame does not lie with either party but both for smoke and mirrors economics. They stood by and let banks make loans to people who should never been allowed. Some couple making 50g a year buying a 250k house with an ARM?

[jharp]

"More dodgy economics management and financial management, with a healthy dose of i-banker scumbaggery than partisan political maneuvering, methinks."

Follow the money. It wasn't lost. It just changed hands.

And who ended up with the money and who got left holding the bag?

Hint. It wasn't democrats. Though I'm sure they would have liked to get their cut, they were powerless during the thievery.

[jharp]

"the Constitutionalists or the Libertarians may have some pieces to pick up in 2012"

Sorry to tell you seek but they have no chance.

Why don't you do what is most likely to succeed?

Help elect better democrats.

[jharp]

"How about entertaining us with your theory about Bush being behind the entire real estate bubble"

So, wise guy. What was the cause of the real estate bubble?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with monetary policy nor lack of regulation.

Wait a minute, I've got it, Clinton's fault.

[seekeronos]

I see the real estate bubble as being more a function of Alan Greenspan and later, "Helicopter" Ben Bernanke along with Hank "the Crank" Paulson manipulating the Fed Reserve.

More dodgy economics management and financial management, with a healthy dose of i-banker scumbaggery than partisan political maneuvering, methinks.

But with a Dem president and a supermajority in both houses of Congress very likely, as well as the prospect of two or three ultra-liberal SCOTUS justices not too mention however many new lower federal court judges getting whisked through a streamlined appointment process, the next 50-60 years do not bode well for us at all.

Let's hope that the Dems go into full-bore overcorrection mode and stop short of plowing the nation into the ground at Mach 3, that the Constitutionalists or the Libertarians may have some pieces to pick up in 2012.

[jharp]

"How about entertaining us with your theory about Bush being behind the entire real estate bubble"

So, wise guy. What was the cause of the real estate bubble?

I'm sure it had nothing to do with monetary policy nor lack of regulation.

Wait a minute, I've got it, Clinton's fault.

[ET]

Another dingbat comment from chris:

"How about providing a really entertaining stat, like how much less your house is worth in Sacramento than this time 2 years ago?"

How about entertaining us with your theory about Bush being behind the entire real estate bubble, which burst on the watch of the least popular, and least effective congress in US history?

That'll be good for a chuckle.

[chris]

"My personal favorite would have to be Carter's 34% of dems in 1979 or Johnson's 48% of dems in 1968."

How about providing a really entertaining stat, like how much less your house is worth in Sacramento than this time 2 years ago?

[SacTownMan]

Dang harpo slightly off topic with the BDS rant.

If Bush does keep going down he might reach Truman's 23% overall approval and 42% of dems in 1952. Let's not forget Clinton's 63% of dems in 1993. My personal favorite would have to be Carter's 34% of dems in 1979 or Johnson's 48% of dems in 1968. Do you read the polls you cite or just pick out the headline?

"What about the most ethical congress ever's" 22% overall approval rating in October. Did Congressman Jefferson's freezer cash ever thaw out yet. Nancy and Harry are doing a bang up job in control of the one of the worst performing congress's ever.

Just keep picking and choosing the stats you want and ignore the rest.

That way you can't get too confused about the facts.

[ET]

jharp, you are such an idiot. I could substitute the word "congress" for "Bush" in your post and take you down tit for tat.

"The Democrat Congress" job approval rating has fallen to 21%, according to the new Gallup poll".

http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

Mind Numbing.

Mark my words, Blowbama will expose himself as inept and the voters will move to McCain. You are wrong, wrong wrong...about Iraq, taxes, healthcare...all of the issues you rant about.

But don't let that stop you from posting your ignorance on the internet. The clown was always my favorite part of the circus.

[chris]

Well, it looks like you Family Values patriot-types have another hero:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2008-05-08-congressman-affair_N.htm

At least the affair was with a woman. You GOPers are improving!!

Too.Damm.Funny.

[jharp]

President Bush's job approval rating has fallen to 28%, according to the new Gallup Poll.

Stunning: "Just 6 in 10 Republicans approve of the job he is doing, the lowest of his administration."

Would one of the Bush apologist here kindly explain how in the 6 out 10 could approve.

The man has accomplished nothing and has fucked things up so bad that the GOP lost the House, Senate, and is about to lose the Presidency.

And 6 out of 10 approve. Mind numbing.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"If she is that self-centered callus bitch painted by the hard-right"

Hmmm, once again it's the "evil right"...excepting the ones who are voting for her. Here I thought there was something in the primary results that her own party doesn't care too much for her. That "vast right-wing conspiracy" futzing with the voting machines I guess.

[edward cropper]

If Hillary is really the hard nose, never say die ruthless person she is supposed to be. Why would anyone think she would give up her quest for the presidency for anything short of the presidency?
If she is that self-centered callus bitch painted by the hard-right, why would she give a second thought to the murmuring and moaning and groaning of the Obama supporters and party establishment suck-ups?
If she is all this and more, she should stay in the game until the last out is made. Party be damned.

[templar knight]

seek, good one, see you Sunday.

[jharp]

I think she's make an excellent VP. And add mightily to Obama's campaign.

As VP she could spearhead health care reform.

The GOP nightmare is nearly over and I'm starting to feel better about things already.

Though it's going to be a tough summer for a lot of folks. $4 gas, home foreclosures, skyrocketing food prices. But I guess most have it easy compared to the guys getting blown up in Iraq.

Heckuva job! GOP.

[seekeronos]

Her ship is as sunk now as the IJN Yamato ever was on that fateful day on 7 April 1945.

Best she can hope for now is a Sec/State billet or if her begging is suitably humble and/or lucky, a VP slot under the Big "O".

If she does get a VP slot (highly doubtful given the antipathy she has generated by not bowing out earlier) I won't be too surprised if sometime down the road a Chinese operative spikes Obama's punch, and not in a happy way.

[Steven Den Beste]

Hillary has dreamed of being President for years, maybe for decades. She's as close to fulfilling that dream right this moment as she'll ever be in her life. I think that for a narcissist like her, it's simply impossible for her to give it up as long as there's any chance at all, however remote, of her winning.