Can We Smoke In Beirut?

Looks as though the usual suspects are up to their usual terrorism in Beirut. The Shiite Hezbo boys have taken control of the western part of the city. Gateway Pundit has a full round-up, including links to home videos of the fighting.

A couple thoughts come to mind. As I see the Hezzie gunmen, I'm left thinking about how there is a goodly portion of people in this world that just need to be hunted down and killed as efficiently as possible.

The other thought regards the Left. Why is it that the vapid peaceniks fall in with the likes of these miscreants? I thought the Left hated violence and oppression? Unfortunately, not when it comes to the violence and oppression carried out by the likes of this human dirt.

It's pathetic that the free world can't, or won't simply rise up and extinguish these vermin once and for all.

I say, smoke 'em if you got 'em, or hunt them down and smoke 'em if you don't have one handy!

Pacifism is over-rated.

Comments

[Fred Beloit]

Race-card Harpo writes" "Now Fred, I know it will be difficult for you. But try to take the time to read an intelligent snippet of the the Lebanon situation.
Nir Rosen.

"When Israel was bombing Lebanon in 2006, killing its civilians and destroying its infrastructure..."

Nir Rosen forgot something, Race-card. Nir forgot to mention that the Hizzies invaded across Israel's border and captured an Israeli soldier (whom they have either killed or are still holding). Nir also forgot to add a few words to this 1st paragraph, so I'll do it for enemy propagandist Nir Rosen. "...killing its civilians [in spite of the extreme measures IDS always takes to avoid doing so] and destroying its infrastructure, [another action they take to avoid killing civilians, most especially since the Hezzies like to launch rockets from close proximity to apartment complexes..."

There, that's better. I could make more improvements, but it takes less investment of time to just say Nir Rosen is like Joseph Goebbels.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Goebbels

A question, Race-card; why do you get your information from strictly propagandist sources? This information has been letting you down so badly.

[Fred Beloit]

Race-card Harpo, I can't let this one by Nir Rosen go by without nominating it as the laugh sensation of the month:

"...nothing the Americans can do will dislodge or weaken this popular movement, just as they cannot weaken the Sadrists in Iraq or Hamas in Gaza..."

The all-mighty, unshakable Sadrists have just recently handed over the keys to the Sadr City to the Iraqis and Americans.

[Fred Beloit]

Here you go, Race-card, an informative article about Lebanon's newest struggle from Commentarymagazine.com: http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/totten/5371

"The third civil war resembles both the first and the second. With Iranian money and weapons, Hezbollah has built its own state-within-a-state in South Lebanon and South Beirut which is used as a base to wage war against Israel. Hezbollah also wishes to violently yank Lebanon from its current pro-Western alignment into the Syrian-Iranian axis. Roughly one-fourth of the population supports this agenda. No country on earth can withstand that kind of geopolitical tectonic pressure. For more than a year members of Hezbollah have tried unsuccessfully to topple the elected government with a minimal use of force, but their patience is at an end and they have turned to war."

[seekeronos]

"--- Isn't it true that Congress has not declared war since WWII? If that is so, why should Pres Bush break the mold? Kosovo wasn't a declared war, was it? And aren't we still there? ---"

Lala, nothing since WW2 has been a declared war. Everything from Korea until now has been conducted either under presidential fiat or under the "authority" of the UN.

And as regarding Kosovo, my opinion is we certainly are, and have, backed the wrong horse. Slobodan Milosevic may have been an autocrat and all-arouond horrible man, but he would have done much to neutralize the Islamists in his sphere of influence -- and we would not have had that affair to pile on to the grievances that Russia has with us.

Furthermore, I think that without our intervention, the excesses of the Serbian government and their partisans toward the Albanian Kosovars and other Muslims in his region might have been more restrained.

My point is that we must not circumvent the Constitution in order to satisfy UN mandates, nor should we do it to play World Policeman.

If our Republic must engage in non-stop interventionism to our own destruction, we should truly put the question to the people, to include a review of standing up a war-time command economy, rationing, and all the other inconveniences that Total War demands.

[IslamoLlama]

Fred
"-- Nixon, not really a conservative, inherited a war started by a Democraticic, Kennedy, and escalated into a major war by Democraticic Johnson. --"

If you want to get really technical, you could point out that Kennedy was continuing the policies of Eisenhower, the President that originally sent in military advisers to assist the French in controlling their colony in revolution. But let's not get technical when we can blame Democrats. It still doesn't really explain why Agent Orange and napalm - nearly a decade into the conflict - was going to provide the "secret weapon for victory" he promised as he road into office in '68.

Seek
"-- Slobodan Milosevic may have been an autocrat and all-arouond horrible man, but he would have done much to neutralize the Islamists in his sphere of influence -- and we would not have had that affair to pile on to the grievances that Russia has with us. --"

Here we go again with condoning genocide. I'm sure Pinochet was doing much to neutralize the Communists and Saddam was just containing the Iranians for us in the 80s. Hell, Fransisco Franco was doing the same thing in Spain just 40 years earlier.

And god forbid we offend the Russians. Not like Putin has been acting like anything less than a saint over the last 8 years.

"-- Furthermore, I think ... --"

Far be it for us to question your expertise, Seek, but fifteen years ago there was open war and genocide across the country. Today, no open warfare. No genocide. I like to pretend that this is an improvement, but when you add in the fact that we've pissed off the Russians... :p

Two examples among many illustrating why conservatives shouldn't be allowed to conduct wars. Given a bad situation - Vietnam - they dick around running on the anti-war platform for six straight years (it took lame duck Ford to finally call the troops home under heavy Dem pressure). Given a neutral position - Iraq circa 2003 - they dive in to muck it up. Given a good position - Kosovo and Serbia today - they bitch and moan about how if only a brutal dictator had been allowed to remain in power, we'd have more genocide which would be good for America - because genocide against people with brown skin and scary religions is always good for the US.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

LLama: You really need to stick to social programs because you get real confused discussing wars. Napalm has never been used to bomb anything but troops, there are other incendiaries for bombing "stuff". Agent Orange defoliates, not much use on cities. Well maybe NYC where they have such a big natural park. Eisenhouer sent specOps teams to train locals, not the French. The French already knew how to lose a war. Line Backer II brought the Viets to the table but American whining about killing "innocent" people forced the Ops to cease. Troops were pulled before Nixon resigned Ford took over (he only presided over the evacuation of a handful of other assests/friends) and the truth is....Carter actually took the very last military personnel out of theater..........After a dem congress cut off funding our "allies" and the VC drove tanks onto the US Emabassy compound.

[seekeronos]

"--- Far be it for us to question your expertise, Seek, but fifteen years ago there was open war and genocide across the country. Today, no open warfare. No genocide. I like to pretend that this is an improvement, but when you add in the fact that we've pissed off the Russians... :p ---"

Well, who kills who outside of the USA generally isn't our concern until it overlaps *our* national security interests. Ideally, we can remonstrate and ask for peace dialogues, and perhaps even go as far as not trading or restricting trade with the offending nations, but military interventionism does nothing much more drain our treasury and our resources.

It just so happens that Slobodan & Co. may have performed a morbidly useful service by fighting back against an Islamist beachhead into Europe.

Serbia (in fact, the Balkans nations at large) have long fallen under the Russian sphere of influence, and the Turkish (to a much lesser degree since the fall of the Ottomans).

This is crucial to our short and medium term energy security -- as regimes in the Middle East become increasingly unstable, and industrial nations start sizing up Russia for its vast reserves of petrochemicals, it behooves us to play nice with the Russians as much as we have with the house of Sa'ud.

Because a day is coming when they will be the suppliers of much of the world's oil, as the Saudi fields peak, and Iran devotes more of its oil treasure to China.

Our relations with the Russians may not be the most stellar, but there is certainly less of a cultural disconnect than what we have with the Islamist nations.

[Race Hochdorf]

Okay, I basically just read the post and ignored all the other comments...because I don't want to get involved in an argument. I would just like to say that I agree with whoever wrote this. Pacifism is waaaay overrated. I was very disappointed when Lebanese forces decided to call a truce with Hezbollah.

In my opinion, the US, the UK, and the rest of the free world should help Lebanon wipe out Hezbollah completely. I think you and me agree on a lot. If you would like to check out my blog site, it's: racesblog.blogspot.com--it deals mostly with this kind of politics. I hate to sound like a spammer. I just think it's great to see and meet other Conservative bloggers out on the net!

I felt alone up until now. Keep up the good work! And please be sure to check out my site. :D