Right Side Politics And The Examiner

I recently had lunch with Mark Tapscott of The Examiner - great guy. It seems the Examiner is making some changes as regards their website. Also, longtime Blog buddy Dan Spencer of California Yankee and RedState will be blogging material at this URL. Check it out.

Dan Spencer has been blogging at, and as, California Yankee since 2003. He lives in Connecticut and practices law in New York. Here he will discuss the politics of the Right.

Comments

[bobInStamford]

Overheard at the Patriot's Lunch Summit:

"Why do the libruls hate America"

"I don't know."

"You gonna eat those Freedom Fries?"

"Yep. Nice flag lapel pin, btw."

"You too. Do you think it makes me look fat?"

"Nope"

[seekeronos]

As usual, BoobinStamford lacks in teh funneh.

[Fred Beloit]

Well, the Boob's new bud, Obama, seems to have one reasonable view:

"PHILADELPHIA (Reuters) - Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama on Wednesday disagreed with former President Jimmy Carter's overtures toward Hamas, saying he would not talk to the Islamist group until it recognized Israel and renounced terrorism."

Huff will probably have to huff and puff over this one a bit.

[seekeronos]

The only reason Obie says that is because he realizes he'd have ZERO chance of pulling in the Jewish vote over Hillary if he said otherwise.

Deep down, I believe that Obie would leap over the couch in a spring that'd make Tom Cruise jealous to trade greasy palms with Hamas within a week of taking office.

[templar knight]

You're exactly right, seek. He certainly sat in church and listened to the Paleo crap from the Imam...uh, Rev. Wright over the years, and certainly didn't disagree with the position his mosqu..., uh, church took over the years. So I also believe Obama is lying through his grill.

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Wow, great catch, Fred. It's not like Obama has been saying the same thing all along or anything.

"Deep down, I believe that Obie would leap over the couch in a spring that'd make Tom Cruise jealous to trade greasy palms with Hamas within a week of taking office."

Stop the presses. Based on what exactly? And no, I don't mean more Biblical citations or paranoid delusions based on loony right-wing tabloid speculation. I mean, based on what actual events/statements that have actually occured in demonstrable reality.

[Fred Beloit]

"The only reason Obie says that is because he realizes he'd have ZERO chance of pulling in the Jewish vote over Hillary if he said otherwise."

That's very likely, seek. After all it is election year. Humans running for office often hide their true beliefs to pander to various groups. But if one's candidate is godlike, as Obama is for his acolytes, one can't accept such pragmata.

[Fred Beloit]

"...based on what actual events/statements that have actually occured[sic] in demonstrable reality."

It is funny when some jokers demand links who almost never provide one themselves. Just for example we have this assertion with no evidence provided:

"It's not like Obama has been saying the same thing all along or anything."

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

Gee, I don't know, Fred. Maybe you could be bothered to do your own research every now and again. One link that took about 1.5 seconds to track down:

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/rosnerBlog.jhtml?itemNo=832667&contrassID=25&subContrassID=0&sbSubContrassID=1&listSrc=Y&art=1

You want some links proving any other commonly-known items? How 'bout the atomic makeup of water? The date of the signing of the treaty of versailles? The parties to the Lousiana Purchase?

[IslamoLlama]

"-- You're exactly right, seek. He certainly sat in church and listened to the Paleo crap from the Imam...uh, Rev. Wright over the years, and certainly didn't disagree with the position his mosqu..., uh, church took over the years. So I also believe Obama is lying through his grill. --"

Lulz. And so it begins. The final death of religion in America, when all the preachers and ministers and priests and pontiffs get together and start ex-communicating each other for being secret not-really-Christian Christians. It was this flavor of stupid that brought down the Catholic Empire in the 1200s, birthed Protestantism and then Marxism in Germany, and finally turned all of Europe secular.

I can just imagine, in some town hall or public forum in Iran, how Shi'ite Cleric A is whispering to his friend about Sunni Cleric B, "He certainly sat in that mosque and listened to that Jewish crap from the Rabb... er Imam Mohammad over the year."

When all the zealots are done killing each other, only the atheists will remain.

[IslamoLlama]

I do, however, appreciate the fact that Fred thinks the Democratic Party should have some collective meltdown because two major players in the party disagree on something.

My god, what if members of the Democratic Party were to have divergent views on other issues - like abortion, or business taxes, or how to implement a health care plan? Game over, man. Game over. Across the board Republican Majorities in '08. Because disagreeing over the right answer is always worse than agreeing on the wrong answer (which - if I recall Bush's policy on Hamas - was to dump billions of dollars in support on their political rivals and watch said rivals completely lose the election). The Isreal/Palestine situation has improved so much since Bush took office, that we can't afford to change ships mid-stream. McBush in '08!

[chris]

Why do the flag-wavers hate the troops??

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080417/hl_nm/iraq_usa_health_dc

No WMDs, no bin Laden. Nada...

[Lala]

Noah Pollak says the last 5 years have been great for Israel

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/pollak/3438

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"When all the zealots are done killing each other, only the atheists will remain."

Not the most stupid thing I've read here but it rates high on a scale. Your theory over looks that MOST believers are not "zealots". Sorta surprising you'd even say that (sober) considering you'd be the first to attack anyone who said all muslims are "zealots".

[seekeronos]

IsLameLlama has his dream:

"--- Lulz. And so it begins. The final death of religion in America... ---"

O Lame one, know this: Most of us aren't going anywhere, save to meet Jesus someday at the end of our time here on earth (whether that be the end of our natural lives or the Rapture, only God knows).

And so will you atheists as well... except that we will meet Him with joy, and you atheists will be in for a warm surprise. If you aren't willing to repent, you might want to practice your backstroke... although I can't say for sure that it will help you out in the Lake of Fire.

"--- It was this flavor of stupid that brought down the Catholic Empire in the 1200s, birthed Protestantism and then Marxism in Germany, and finally turned all of Europe secular. ---"

Mot really. There never was a "Catholic Empire", but rather a number of empires and kingdoms and grand duchies which gave some level of deference to the Pope, especially in spiritual matters.

This "Christendom" (which is a contracted form of Christian Dominion) was widely understood to be headed by the Roman Pope and then with the Protestant powers - including but not limited to England, Scotland, various northern Germanic markgraviates and duchies, and the Scandinavian nations, and a wider scope if you include the Slavonic and Greek Orthodoxies.

The fall of Christianity in Europe came at the rise of godless Marxism and Socialism, which may have had its roots in the "higher criticism" of late 19th century philosophers, but only becoming truly powerful in the aftermath of WW1. That "Great War" saw a great number of people fall away from the faith in the various social crises the combatant nations faced, and a more thorough eradication of Christians and Jews being accomplished largely by Stalin and Hitler, and helped in no small measure by the excesses of WW2.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

This whole partisan trip gives me more laughs everyday. I worry a little about harpie though cause he seems a decent bloke. In the end, no matter who wins there will be much disappointment,weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. And no matter who wins we will continue down the road to destruction. On a brighter note I've got a cooler full of sea trout that I wish I could share with you all........yes, even you Lame LLama.

[IslamoLlama]

Seek, fire and brimstone went out in the 1700s. (no pun intended).

And while I know you love to trumpet the genocides of the 40s and 50s as some atheist uprising put down by good God-fearing Christians, your claims would carry just as much weight if you swapped out "Christians" and "Jews" with "immigrants" and "people with brown hair". The politics of Hitler and Stalin never saw religion as anything more than a weapon for rallying support or opposition. Ironically, the Republicans treat religion in much the same way. And its this willingness of people to be swept up in political movements because of illogical and masochistic religious views that gets the religious wackos so often killed.

Atheists - like Dick Cheney and Bill Clinton - know how to avoid getting killed. Warmongers - like John McCain and Joe Lieberman - know how to get the opiate-taking masses to kill each other for their personal profit. But, at the end of the day, you end up with simple survival of the fittest. And the fittest just happen to be the people who won't drink the wingnut kool-aid.

In this case, we see the religiously fervent pastor of Obama's church labeled a secret muslim by the religiously fervent congregation of the Church of Bush-Jesus. When the Bushbots start taking to the streets, trying to bring down all the secret stealth muslims hiding in the shadows, they'll bring themselves down in the process and take their faith with them. And their children and their neighbors' children will be ashamed, and a few more souls will turn away from the crazies and away from the cults and away from the cartoon Jesus their parents praised.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"And the fittest just happen to be the people who won't drink the wingnut kool-aid."

That would apply to both "wings" and a big chunk of the center.

[chris]

I hope the zealot death matches are on cable and in HD. Would certainly Tivo that! I propose the first round being the Westboro Baptists versus the West Point Code-Writer. Have at it, nutcases!!!

[templar knight]

You libruls' is funny! A more likely scenario is for the masses in the large cities to get their hands on the most convenient whiteys, and that would be you liberals who live in and around the large cities. I'm not too worried about anybody bothering me out here on the plains of W. Texas. You liberals ought to think before you make such outlandist predictions.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I'm not too worried about anybody bothering me out here on the plains of W. Texas --"

... he said, while waving his gun at all the crazy Mexicans who just moved into town.

Yeah, TK, it's the not the liberals who piss themselves in fear every time the terror alert level changes shades. I think you guys are plenty worried about anybody bothering you. Hence all that hubbub about the nuclear armed Caliphates springing up in New York City and San Fransisco.

And I'm totally baffled by who the "masses in the large cities" are supposed to be that seem so intent on getting their hands on "convenient whiteys". Not even sure what a "convenient whitey" is. Will the awkward and ill-positioned whiteys be spared? Are these "masses in large cities" the raging bands of car-flipping, flag-burning Obama supporters that give the wingnut'o'sphere the night terrors? Or is someone just off his meds today?

See, I take it back. That's what will really break the back of the fundie hordes. A couple prozac, a few valium, maybe a dash of Ritalin to take the edge off. Crazy kooks will think they died and went to heaven.

[tally]

"In this case, we see the religiously fervent pastor of Obama's church labeled a secret muslim by the religiously fervent congregation of the Church of Bush-Jesus."

Oh dear, Big Gay Gal over on the Hillary blogs takes credit for this.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

" it's the not the liberals who piss themselves in fear every time the terror alert level changes shades."

I give you 9/11/2001 as proof of that statement.

[templar knight]

"And I'm totally baffled by who the "masses in the large cities" are supposed to be..."

Really. I see them just about every time something happens to give them an excuse to loot and burn. Could be a Rodney King verdict, perhaps the latest might be the threats being made against Jews if they don't support Obama.

Uh, I have some news for you, missy. I don't keep up with terror alerts, never have, and as for pissing my pants, it would only be by accident while I was pissing on you. Now, tell me more, little college puke.

[bobInStamford]

Oh heavens, the shiftless oil baron is 'right afeared' of the wild 'colored' folk. They might take his grill and his underachieving kids from him! What would he do then??

[templar knight]

"They might take his grill and his underachieving kids from him."

That'll be the day.

[Fred Beloit]

Mr. Conservative, why have you become a simple-minded idiot? That link you provided was to an April 18, 2008 story:

Subscribe to Print Edition | Fri., April 18, 2008 Nisan 13, 5768 | | Israel Time: 15:40 (EST+7)

Haaretz israel news English

web haaretz.com

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I give you 9/11/2001 as proof of that statement. --"

Where's Osama?

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Really. I see them just about every time something happens to give them an excuse to loot and burn. Could be a Rodney King verdict, perhaps the latest might be the threats being made against Jews if they don't support Obama. --"

Lols. LA riots around the world? I see more KKK rallies than angry riots in Texas. What corner of the country are you in?

"-- Uh, I have some news for you, missy. I don't keep up with terror alerts, never have, and as for pissing my pants, it would only be by accident while I was pissing on you. Now, tell me more, little college puke. --"

No need to get all R. Kelly on anyone TK. Try to keep it in your pants, alright? We've got indecency laws down here in the Lone Star State. Seriously, if you want to go around whipping your dong out every time you see a liberal, there are bathrooms in Minnesota and Congressional Offices down in Florida for that sort of thing.

Amazing how you guys can hate on queers so much, and yet have such terrible pent up feelings.

[templar knight]

I didn't know you were queer, Moe. Excuse, please.

[seekeronos]

Willie said:

"--- In the end, no matter who wins there will be much disappointment,weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth. And no matter who wins we will continue down the road to destruction. On a brighter note I've got a cooler full of sea trout that I wish I could share with you all........yes, even you Lame LLama. ---"

Gnashing of teeth there will be, no matter who wins. I just suspect that under Johnny Mac, the degree and duration of the teeth-gnashing would be somewhat lessened.

Sea Trout? You, sir... are indeed blessed with a tasty fortune of fishies.

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LameLlama said:

"--- Seek, fire and brimstone went out in the 1700s. (no pun intended). ---"

O Llama, "Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God" (Matthew 22:29B, KJV). Hell is prepared for those who reject Christ. But Jesus also provides the way of escape, through faith in Him.

"--- ... The politics of Hitler and Stalin never saw religion as anything more than a weapon for rallying support or opposition. Ironically, the Republicans treat religion in much the same way. And its this willingness of people to be swept up in political movements because of illogical and masochistic religious views that gets the religious wackos so often killed. ---"

Interestingly enough, Hitler claimed to be a Christian (more specifically, identifying with the bulk of his German base in Austria, Bavaria, Thuringen, and Rheinland-Pfalz, as well as a sizeable minority in Prussia, Saxony, and Hesse who were Catholic at that time). He would use loosely-worded appeals to "Divine Providence" in his speeches and in the NSDAP literature to appeal to those remaining Christians in Germany. But, if you look at the "faith" underlying his grasp of "Christianity", it was a mixture of old (Norse) Paganism and Theosophist and the manufactured "spiritualism" the Nazis cooked up with their doctrines of racial superiority. The Bible tells us Christians to check everything out according to Scripture, in the Spirit (Acts 17:11, 2 Tim 3:16-17)... and I think that even the unsaved might be able to discern the difference between what the Word of God says and what sort of strange state cult the Nazis tried to evoke (and did, with a horrible degree of success).

To compare Hitler's cult this with the collusion between evangelicals and the (mostly NeoCons) Republicans in the last 20 years is not only grossly inaccurate, but is irresponsible as well. There has been no program under the current administration to exterminate an entire race of people, and I think that if you are trying to argue this against American's general reticence toward unrestricted immigration, you are being quite disingenuous.

"--- Atheists - like Dick Cheney and Bill Clinton - know how to avoid getting killed. ---"

That they do. Smart, talented and wealthy folks tend to have more options when it comes to avoiding the draft. And I'd be among the first to support a constitutional amendment that makes a four year active-duty or activated Reserve/Guard military service tour a pre-requisite to either the Presidency or the Vice-Presidency (with logical exceptions for a House Speaker or someone else further down the chain of succession in an emergency who needed to fill those positions).

That being as unlikely thought as repealing the so-called "income tax" 16th amendment or introducing a Right-to-Life amendment to protect the unborn, we will just have to accept that some folks have had the means to avoid military service and still become the Commander in Chief.

As for their atheism, I don't know their particular beliefs, but on http://www.adherents.com/people/pc/Dick_Cheney.html he is said to be a Methodist (which is well within the "mainstream" of Christianity. The same site indicates that Bill Clinton is a Southern Baptist (not all churches within the SBC are obedient to the Word of God; his home church in Little Rock has thus far failed to either discipline or to disfellowship him on account of his grievous and unrepentant attitudes and associations with certain godless organizations).

"--- Warmongers - like John McCain and Joe Lieberman - know how to get the opiate-taking masses to kill each other for their personal profit. ---"

Perhaps, but last I checked, neither McCain nor Lieberman were ministers of any particular religion. And "opiate of the masses?" How very Marxian of you!

However, I can agree there might be a correlation between their stocks and held assets in Halliburton and their interest in prolonging this wasteful adventures in Islamia. But politicians of both parties are no strangers to this; Vietnam was prolonged in no small part due to Lady Bird Johnson's interests in Bell Helicopter.

"--- But, at the end of the day, you end up with simple survival of the fittest. And the fittest just happen to be the people who won't drink the wingnut kool-aid. ---"

Ah, a reference to blind obedience to a cultic personality. Frankly, I don't see how this disparaging view of American's trust (however misplaced) in their elected officials translates out to a thinly veiled cult suicide reference.

"--- In this case, we see the religiously fervent pastor of Obama's church labeled a secret muslim by the religiously fervent congregation of the Church of Bush-Jesus. ---"

Huh...?!? Now who is drinking the medicated beverages, Llama...? Having watched Rev. Wright's videos, he is a bombast and a far-left wing ideologue with shady connections to a Black Nationalist Muslim demagogue (Farrakhan). He is a quite possibly a Christian caught up in heresy, but I doubt he is a Muslim. That said, he really needs to spend less time trying to shout down the government and cursing the nation, but rather, call people to repentance and faith in Christ.

As for the "Church of Bush-Jesus", I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. Bush is a sinner who God happened to use by allowing him to be elected POTUS. He is accountable before God for whatever he did and does while still in office. Aside from all of that, he is just a man, and not God nor the Son of God.

"--- When the Bushbots start taking to the streets, trying to bring down all the secret stealth muslims hiding in the shadows, they'll bring themselves down in the process and take their faith with them. And their children and their neighbors' children will be ashamed, and a few more souls will turn away from the crazies and away from the cults and away from the cartoon Jesus their parents praised. ---"

Whatever you are smoking, you should really think about quitting. None of what you said makes sense.

[seekeronos]

Concerning the riot issue...

...just supposing that the economy collapses and law and order on a national scale breaks down... do ya really think that the inner city folks are going to skip over the outlying white suburbs and head straight for the farms when the food riots happen?

Do you really think that looting that happened in the aftermath of Katrina took place in the wealthier neighborhoods first, or in the run down inner city districts?

Use your head, man!

[seekeronos]

"--- Amazing how you guys can hate on queers so much... ---"

Actually, we Christians really do not hate them. Hate their sin, yes, even as we should hate any sin in our lives. But Christ's love compels us to love them (the queers) even as Jesus has loved us: we need to call them to Christ's mercy and forgiveness too.

[WAHOO WILLIE]

"--- Amazing how you guys can hate on queers so much... ---"
"I didn't know you were queer,"

I didn't like another poster cracking on someone elses child and would like to throw the "uncalled for" card on this stuff as well. Not nice!

[IslamoLlama]

"-- I didn't know you were queer, Moe. Excuse, please. --"

Hey now, TK, I'm not the one talking about whipping it out in public and pissing on people like I was a black masked rapper from the west side.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- To compare Hitler's cult this with the collusion between evangelicals and the (mostly NeoCons) Republicans in the last 20 years is not only grossly inaccurate, but is irresponsible as well. There has been no program under the current administration to exterminate an entire race of people, and I think that if you are trying to argue this against American's general reticence toward unrestricted immigration, you are being quite disingenuous. --"

I think it is perfectly clear that our invasion of Iraq has never been about liberating a nation from a dictator, but has instead been about building a home base from which to claim a Middle Eastern Empire. Check the Project for the New American Century and you'll see it all spelled out clearly enough. Iraq, Iran, and Saudi Arabia are to be rolled up into the pocket of the US.

While we're not explicitly sponsoring genocide, our military policies have shown a complete disregard for human life. Leveling a city with bombs and killing civilians "on accident" is no different than killing them deliberately. Instigating genocide between Sunni and Shia is no less forgivable because we didn't really plan for it to happen.

"-- But politicians of both parties are no strangers to this; Vietnam was prolonged in no small part due to Lady Bird Johnson's interests in Bell Helicopter. --"

And if the Johnson administration is guilty of a crime, then is it really a crime at all?

"-- As for the "Church of Bush-Jesus", I'm afraid I don't know what you are talking about. --"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE
http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/worship_bush_300.jpg

Of course you don't, Seek. It's an inconvenient truth that the evangelicals have been slowly backing away from. When the GOP was ascendant, the mega-churches couldn't get close enough. Now no one can remember what was happening back between 2002 and 2005.

"-- Having watched Rev. Wright's videos, he is a bombast and a far-left wing ideologue with shady connections to a Black Nationalist Muslim demagogue (Farrakhan). He is a quite possibly a Christian caught up in heresy, but I doubt he is a Muslim. That said, he really needs to spend less time trying to shout down the government and cursing the nation, but rather, call people to repentance and faith in Christ. --"

There was something Jesus said about specks in the eye of one's neighbor and planks in one's own. Irregardless, I do love people who talk about "shady connections". It's very difficult to draw hard line connections between Wright and Farrakhan - how often they met, how close they were - so much better to point at what one can't see than address what one can. The connections are "shady" because casting light on the mythical Wright / Farrakhan / Obama conspiracy would expose it for the myth it is. We've got journalists regularly exposing CIA torture programs and massive corruption scandals, but a connection between various named ministers remains "shady", linked only through innuendo, heresay, and conjecture. I love how every resident of Chicago magically becomes an acquiescence of Farrakhan's during campaign season.

[seekeronos]

Ah, yes. The old "Jesus Camp" footage.

Did you realize that that supposed "church" was already in gross disobedience to a Scriptural mandate? Women are not to be pastors of a church.

To the degree that this woman is teaching the kids to "worship" Bush, well, let's call a spade a spade: that is idolatry, nothing less.

And I can't say that I am impressed with the general trend of "evangelical" Christianity tat preaches a "rock-n-roll" gospel of "you can have your cake and sin with it too" compromise instead of standing firm on the call to Godliness and Holiness that the Bible commends and which the Holy Spirit exhorts us to hold.

Rolling around on the floor barking like a rabid dog or passing off a mass-marketed celebration of the flesh with the hysteria of a massed event lends itself to the same sort of megalomaniacs that "Triumph Des Willens" played up.

God is not to be worshiped like this; the Bible says that those whom God seeks as worshipers must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.

That aside, I do not see in the Bible where George Bush is anything more or less than one who should be respected and given due as our republic's parallel to "Caesar"... i.e he is not a part of the Trinity.

Those who "worship" Bush, or the Republican Party (or any party for that matter) or even the existence of this (temporal, and not eternal) Republic are in sin.

As for the Farrakhan-Wright angle:

http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/01/sweet_obama_distances_himself.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prhnc2fxAzg

Mind you, this is the same Farrakhan who thinks Hitler was right in killing Jews

http://www-cgi.cnn.com/US/9510/megamarch/10-17/notebook/index.html

...much like certain Palestinian and Iranian agitators.

http://sweetness-light.com/archive/obamas-mentor-gives-farrakhan-his-award

[bobInStamford]

"Women are not to be pastors of a church."

Ha ha, that's a good one. No wonder you went the mail-order bride route.

[seekeronos]

Yup, that's right, Bob. Women are not to be in a position of spiritual authority over men. That's the word of God:

"---
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
---"

(1 Timothy 2:11-15, KJV)

If you don't like it, well... that is between you and God. That doesn't change God's word.

And for what its worth, here is the wiki article on mail-order brides:

"--- Mail-order bride is a label erroneously applied to a woman who publishes her intent to marry someone from another - usually more developed - country. Although the label is widely used, it may have derogatory connotations and may be offensive...

...Mail-order brides traditionally hail from developing countries, major examples being Colombia, Venezuela, Thailand and to a lesser extent from Mexico, Philippines, Vietnam, India, China and Malaysia. Since the collapse of the Soviet Union however large numbers of eastern european women also advertised themselves in such a way; primarily being from Russia, Ukraine and Moldova. ---"

I guess your assumption is wrong, bucko. Now I think you've been poking around my blog, and thus I am less willing to give you the benefit of the doubt as touching my wife's ethnicity. I will say this much: She isn't from a third world nation or a developing nation.

In many respects, her homeland is *far* in advance of even our own Republic, these United States.

[tally]

"I see more KKK rallies than angry riots in Texas" - Wow, did Senator Byrd go?

[bobInStamford]

Loser guy=asian bride. Must be nice to have found someone who is interested in your silly Jesus-babble and the whole 'king of the castle' crap. I'm sure little Yukiko is happy to go along with it.

[seekeronos]

"--- Loser guy=asian bride. Must be nice to have found someone who is interested in your silly Jesus-babble and the whole 'king of the castle' crap. I'm sure little Yukiko is happy to go along with it. ---"

Ah, so the liberal digs into his only "defense" when nothing else will work: racism and demeaning people not like themselves.

Poor Bob... you must be so bitter.

And here's another think for you: I'd gather that by your logic, (as you are so generally dislikeable) that five minutes spent with an Asian lady would compel her never to have anything to do with you afterwards.

But of course, your kind don't mix with the lesser yellow folks, do they?

[tally]

well bobinjackassford, you just insulted his religion and asian people. just goes to show who the real racists are, it's the far lefties like you. we don't all agree on religion, but it really takes a boobhead to insult people because of color.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Ah, yes. The old "Jesus Camp" footage.

Did you realize that that supposed "church" was already in gross disobedience to a Scriptural mandate? --"

Well, yes. It was in gross disobedience to more than one Scriptural mandate, to be sure. People have been pointing out the hypocrisy within the right wing of the evangelical movement for generations. That the Jesus Camp footage was pimping out card-board idols of US Politicians doesn't sync with what the evangelical movement has been preaching, but it reflects on what the movement has been doing.

And trying to pawn the event off on the female pastor is like trying to pawn off Ted Haggard's political fund raising activities on the fact that he's gay. It's the religious culture. Not enough to engage and support your leaders, you have to worship them like gods.

Finally, regarding Farrakhan / Wright / Obama, you once again fail to link how all this ties back to marking Obama as some sort of anti-Semite. Falwell, Robertson, Hagee, and Dobson are all outspoken critics of the Jewish faith. And, if you like, I can always drag out the "The Bush Family was friends with Nazis" meme, too. This doesn't make the current President a secret Hitler-lover any more than it makes Obama some sort of rabid genocidal maniac. The moment you start implying that Reverend Wright's support of Farrakhan makes him an anti-Semite, you need to start conceding that every politician who bows down to Robertson or Dobson is anti-American - or, if you prefer Obama's own phrasing, that his friendhsi. It's a ridiculously tortured reasoning process that assumes every inflammatory statement uttered by every friend of a friend of a friend suddenly becomes the active policy position of the person in question. Half the time its hard enough to determine a candidate's platform by his or her own words. Playing telephone stretches the statements beyond belief.

Show me an Obama quote that specifically encapsulates his Antisemitism or his support of the Black Panthers or his plans to turn over the White House to Osama bin Laden or whatever the flavor of crazy is this month, and perhaps we'll talk. Until then, your desperate over reaching just makes you look gullible and naive. I can give you legislation, policy papers, and voting records to explain my pick for President. You're using stacked innuendo in some bizarre process of elimination. Think harder.

[IslamoLlama]

*or, if you prefer Obama's own prhasing, that his friendship with Senator Colburn makes him a staunch opponent of reproductive rights. I don't think you're going to start labeling Obama pro-life anytime soon. Labeling him anti-Jew is just silly.

[seekeronos]

"--- Labeling him (Obama) anti-Jew is just silly. ---"

I never said that he was anti-Jew. And I am not so sure that Pat Robertson or James Dobson have spoken against Israel or the Jewish people with the same degree of invective delivered by Farrakhan or his ilk.

Well, there was the idiotic statement by Robertson about some Israeli prime minister (possibly Ariel Sharon) being too lenient on the Pallies, and that his stroke was God's punishment on him on that account, but even folks like me could see that that was highly out of order.

As it is, I don't care to defend Robertson - he is not germane to this discussion. Whatever stupid things he has said (viz. assassinating Hugo Chavez, the above mentioned maledictum on Sharon, and endorsing that godless, perverted twit Giuliani) pale by comparison before Wright's frothy-mouthed anti-Americanism.

Obama's friendships with admitted terrorists and with demagogic preachers is.

[Zifnab]

"-- I never said that he was anti-Jew. And I am not so sure that Pat Robertson or James Dobson have spoken against Israel or the Jewish people with the same degree of invective delivered by Farrakhan or his ilk. --"

Ooo. They didn't meet the invective threshold. Well, I guess that makes it ok, then.

"-- Whatever stupid things he has said pale by comparison before Wright's frothy-mouthed anti-Americanism. --"

Really?

"-- The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. --"

"-- You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense. I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist. I can love the people who hold false opinions but I don't have to be nice to them. --"

"-- I think "one man, one vote," just unrestricted democracy, would not be wise. There needs to be some kind of protection for the minority which the white people represent now, a minority, and they need and have a right to demand a protection of their rights. --"

"-- We had a war in 1776 that set us free from the shackles of the arbitrary rule of the British crown, and I think what's going on in Corbin, Kentucky, boy, those people like to live free. And I think the time has come that we do that... --"

So... the Constitution only works when Christians read it. But not Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists, just Christians. "One man, one vote" doesn't work because it disenfranchises the minority white population. And we should live free - like we did back in 1776 when we rebelled against the King of England - except this time we should be rebelling against... who do you think, Seek?

Dismissal of the Constitution. Calling other Christian groups possessed by the "spirit of the Antichrist". Challenging the foundations of democracy. Advocating open rebellion against the US Government. They "-- pale by comparison before Wright's frothy-mouthed anti-Americanism. --"

Noted.

[Zifnab]

Oh, and this one is just gold:

"-- I read your book. When you get through, you [a reader] say, "If I could just get a nuclear device inside Foggy Bottom, I think that's the answer." I mean, you get through this, and you say, "We've got to blow that thing up." I mean, is it as bad as you say?
-- Pat Robertson, to syndicated columnist Joel Mowbray, author of Dangerous Diplomacy: How the State Department Endangers National Security; the US Department of State is located in Foggy Bottom, a Washington, DC, neighborhood; "Foggy Bottom" is sometimes used as a synonym for Washington, DC, quoted from AANEWS (October, 2003) --"

But, you know, Wright is way way worse. That's why I didn't vote for Reverend Wright when he ran for President in 1988.

Wait, Robertson ran in 1988? Goodness gracious, its all so confusing.