Fitna Released

Michelle has the video and details. I downloaded the torrent via Hot Air's link.

It isn't very long, basically contrasting particular verses from the Koran with real world acts of Muslim extremists. From there it moves into demographics in Europe. That's a very different problem than we have in America today. However, as with Nazism, America can't afford to ignore the Islamification of Europe.

Will the film change any American Libtard minds today? Nah, not in this political climate. As for what effect it will have in Europe? Hard to say.

And as for any ramifications in the Muslim world? Hell, the usual suspects love a good reason to burn things down and kill people. It's unclear how geographically widespread any reaction might be. Stay tuned.

Comments

[syn]

I watched it; everything in it was stuff I've already seen over the last several years yet Europeans seem afraid to have it shown.

And all this time I thought America was the only country existing inside a media bubble.

[Terry Gain]

Fitna's verismilitude is beyond rational questioning but only time will tell whether there are more heroes than boobs.

[Andrea (Den Haag, NL)]

The public Dutch and Belgian TV have shown all the fragments of the film, also most of the newspapers online have the video. Fear? What fear?

FYI, any TV station would ask to see your film before airing it and Wilders-looser refused to show it to the producers beforehand. Even the Muslim public broadcaster offered to show it on their air time if Wilders was to appear afterwards in a debate and HE REFUSED. Basically they offered him a space to excercise his freedom of speech but he doesn't like Muslims...

Now, about the film, it is a pamphlet. It tries to associate the deeds of some lunatics (who try to justify themselves with the Q'uran) with ALL the moslims. It is like saying that all Catholic priests abuse kids. I find that far fetched and paranoid.

It also is poorly done and has some blunders:
- The use of the Danish cartoon was not authorized by the cartoonist. Kurt Westergaard just called Wilders a thief in an interview on Dutch TV.
- Wilders changed some words on the verses (soerat 8, vers 60 does not say 'terrorize')
- The image he uses of Van Gogh's killer is actually a Moroccan raper. Proof that xenophobes think that all Muslims look and act the same?

Just as a note, I am not a Muslim but the film really insults my intelligence: it is not about the Quran, I mean it is a huge book and the film only shows all the videos we all know from the news! Really lame.

[Terry Gain]

There's nothing lame about Sharia Law, or the goal of Islamists to eliminate Israel, wage war against America and establish a new caliphate.

These are their stated goals and the longer we fail to recognize this the higher the cost of defending against it.

[Marco Borg]

I have just watched the video Fitna. The Dutch government should not have worried. Young Arabs,Turks, Somalis, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis living in Europe are mostly proud of the pictures shown. But the demographic statistics are really scary. The problem is that in Europe we have nothing but corrupt or politically-correct politicians.

[Lala]

Well, Andrea from the NL is all over the net. You can find the exact same comment on Winds of Change. One of the commenters there left this reply to her

quote
Andrea,

As for the cartoonist, the same guy said this as well:
(link)

"The Danish cartoonist behind drawings satirising the Prophet Muhammad has urged a Dutch lawmaker to air an anti-Islam film despite Muslim outrage.

Kurt Westergaard said MP Geert Wilders should show his film, despite government warnings that this would damage Dutch interests.

He said that no Danish politician would dare to block the film. "

[Lala]

The link in the above comment is this
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=902_1205325466

[Jane]

Well its possible that if enough Americans email the link to their non-internet addicted friends and it gets out into middle America, then it may benefit McCain. Either way it will force the video services and web hosts to make a stand one way or another. Youtube pulled it and then almost immediately re-instated it with a letter of apology. These people caved: VEOH.

[jharp]

"However, as with Nazism, America can't afford to ignore the Islamification of Europe."

Just what do think we should do?

Urge them to not let Muslims into their countries?

[tally]

"- The use of the Danish cartoon was not authorized by the cartoonist. Kurt Westergaard just called Wilders a thief in an interview on Dutch TV."

from what i've read westergaard wanted wilders film released.

"- Wilders changed some words on the verses (soerat 8, vers 60 does not say 'terrorize')"

the word terrorize wasn't a word when the koran was written. however, the real translation is so odd, it could be perceived as a threat.

"- The image he uses of Van Gogh's killer is actually a Moroccan raper. Proof that xenophobes think that all Muslims look and act the same?"

this is really a shame and i hope wilders can correct it.

it doesn't really matter if one thinks it's a weak or lame film. the point is the lack of freedom. wilders should be able to air whatever he wants without fear of being - oh, you know - killed. the governments fear of hurting any one's feelings made me laugh.

[Fred Beloit]

"

[Fred Beloit]

"Urge them to not let Muslims into their countries?"

Ah, at last a good idea from Harpo. All this time I thought he was only a Dem talking points machine.

[syn]

Jharp, a more reasonable question would be:

Why would those Muslims who prefer to live under Sharia Law want to live in Europe? Why would Muslims leave those countries which live under Sharia Law move to countries where Sharia Law is not recognized?

It is a crazy concept much like those Americans who abhor America yet live here nonetheless.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Just what do think we should do?

Urge them to not let Muslims into their countries? --"

Muslims make up a solid 1.5% of the British population. In areas of France, Muslim communities can make up to 4-5% of the populace. And don't even get me started on the Caliphatized areas of Spain or Greece.

Why, its the Crusades all over again kids. The new Ottoman Empire. When one in twenty residents pray at mosques - or have relatives or friends that pray at mosques, or have particularly brown skin - can the fall of Old Europe be far behind? This is exactly how the Nazis did it, when the all immigrated over from Algeria and Qatar.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- it doesn't really matter if one thinks it's a weak or lame film. the point is the lack of freedom. wilders should be able to air whatever he wants without fear of being - oh, you know - killed. the governments fear of hurting any one's feelings made me laugh. --"

It's always funny to hear conservatives leap to the defense of Van Gogh, a man who - had he been American - they'd routinely trash as one of those crazy beatnik hippie drug-addled sexoholic liberal drains on society.

The obsession with defending freedom of speech abroad, while actively encouraging domestic spying, political intimidation, and voter disenfranchisement at home, makes you guys look like the most obscene hypocrites. We've absolutely got to defend a Dutch movie producer's right to criticize Islam, but abortion clinic bombings and voter roll purges of blacks at home are to be condoned - even celebrated. Death threats against a Danish cartoonist are the most vile of offenses, but a dozen Iraqis killed by counter-insurgency action in Iraq are more than acceptable losses. Decapitated news reporters in Lebanon are to be praised as heroes. Journalists who investigate the State Department are to be thrown in prison.

The dichotomy is stark, horrifying, and rather sad.

[Fred Beloit]

"...while actively encouraging domestic spying, political intimidation, and voter disenfranchisement at home..." I am terrible saddened to see these paranoid delusions expressed in a public forum. I urge the writer to consult with his/her pastor, Rev Wright, to see if he can recommend a good health care giver to help the writer deal with these frightening symptoms.

I must say I am a bit confused though. Most paranoids who feel the government is out to get them and is spying on them, usually through the high-tech method known as the aluminum foil device or the rabbit ears technique. This writer, while seemingly paranoid, seems to have no problem blaming the government for all ills, real or invented, yet has no fear the government will read a blog and come to get this writer. Curious.

[LOL]

BE VERY AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID BE VERY AFRAID

[jharp]

Urge them to not let Muslims into their countries?"

Ah, at last a good idea from Harpo. All this time I thought he was only a Dem talking points machine.

Fred,

It was said in jest.

We can't even keep the religious kooks in our own country in line.

Now we're to start telling the Europeans what their immigration policies should be?

Get real.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- Most paranoids who feel the government is out to get them and is spying on them, usually through the high-tech method known as the aluminum foil device or the rabbit ears technique. This writer, while seemingly paranoid, seems to have no problem blaming the government for all ills, real or invented, yet has no fear the government will read a blog and come to get this writer. Curious. --"

Hahaha. Wow, Fred. You're an absolute laugh riot. Are you denying the admitted misuse of FBI national security letters, or are you going to go the extra mile and claim the FBI itself doesn't really exist?

http://www.examiner.com/a-1260117%7EMore_FBI_Privacy_Violations_Confirmed.html?cid=rss-Top_News

Seriously, the party that screamed about black UN helicopters coming to take their guns wants to play the "tin-foil hat" card now? Fred, you lose.

[Techie]

LLama, you mark yourself as a fool. The difference in the things you listed is that it has been over 15 years a "bombing" and all found were tried and convicted. You don't find any sort of "Condonence" here, even though you ache for it. Same with the mythical purging of THOUSANDS of black voters, which was large enough to turn elections, but apparently not large enough to, I dunno, leave any evidence of it.

[tally]

well, since you addressed my comment, i'm right back at ya.

"It's always funny to hear conservatives leap to the defense of Van Gogh, a man who - had he been American - they'd routinely trash as one of those crazy beatnik hippie drug-addled sexoholic liberal drains on society."

while some might regard him as kinky, he should still have the freedom to express himself with his art. theres a big difference between bitching about someone and wanting to kill them.

"The obsession with defending freedom of speech abroad, while actively encouraging domestic spying, political intimidation, and voter disenfranchisement at home, makes you guys look like the most obscene hypocrites. We've absolutely got to defend a Dutch movie producer's right to criticize Islam, but abortion clinic bombings and voter roll purges of blacks at home are to be condoned - even celebrated."

you're damn right i encourage spying on people engaged in terrorism. what political intimidation and voter disenfranchisement? i don't know what you are talking about on that one, i've heard about dead people in chicago voting, that's it. perhaps you are talking about democratic super delegates. it's against the law to bomb abortion clinics (it also might surprise you that i'm pro choice). purging black voter rolls celebrated? again, when? it's not the early 1900's, regardless i don't know anybody that would celebrate something like that.

"Death threats against a Danish cartoonist are the most vile of offenses, but a dozen Iraqis killed by counter-insurgency action in Iraq are more than acceptable losses. Decapitated news reporters in Lebanon are to be praised as heroes. Journalists who investigate the State Department are to be thrown in prison."

the death threat is vile because it suppresses freedom of speech, mine could be next. those losses are never acceptable, but can't be avoided in war. no way i would praise a decapitated reporter or anybody else. while journalists are about on the same level as lawyers they shouldn't be thrown in jail.

"The dichotomy is stark, horrifying, and rather sad."

whatever.

[IslamoLlama]

"-- you're damn right i encourage spying on people engaged in terrorism. --"

And since we don't know who is or is not a terrorist, we need to monitor everybody. Who knows? I could be planning the next 9/11 right now. You could be, too. Your grandmother? My ex-girlfriend? Your boss? My next door neighbor. So the FBI waltzes in with their national security letters and seizes every phone record and credit card notice that isn't nailed down. That's why it was a scandal. The FBI took information on everyone, regardless of suspicion of wrong doing.

Still feel safer? Because I sure as hell don't.

"-- what political intimidation and voter disenfranchisement? i don't know what you are talking about on that one --"

There's the voter suppression the GOP admits to:
http://bluetiderising.blogspot.com/2007/12/kobach-admits-to-coordinated-voter.html

and then the suppression they just tacitly engage in:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/politics/5552259.html

But if you're too lazy to Google yourself more information and read it, ultimately I can't help you.

"-- those losses are never acceptable, but can't be avoided in war. --"

That is, of course, the ultimate cop-out. Threats are to be reviled because they curdle freedom of speech. But actual murder is ok, because a bunch of stuffed shirts in Washington signed off on it. They're "not acceptable" but they "can't be avoided", so we can wash our hands of our sins. We didn't want to kill innocent bystanders and so killing them is now a forgivable offense. A forgivable offense we'll commit over and over and over again. I can just imagine Bin Laden sitting in his cave, drawing out his 9/11 plans and thinking, "Well sure, 3000 people will die, and that's really unacceptable, but it can't be avoided." Strange, we weren't in such a forgiving mood over that. But Iraqis... meh.

[Fred Beloit]

"or are you going to go the extra mile and claim the FBI itself doesn't really exist?"

Oh, Moe, you silly. I'm claiming that for a guy who is constantly worried if the government will listen in if bin-Laden phones in, and is worried the government's leprechauns are in his mailbox, you are curiously unconcerned about publishing bad stuff about the government on the internet. If you don't understand this incongruity, you are even dumber than I thought.

[Lala]

Liveleak took the video off their site. Too many death threats.

[tally]

1. yes, i've felt more safe. however, all it takes is one time getting though and odds are we will be hit again. under the current conditions, i really don't give a rat's ass if the feds read or listen to my stuff.
2. the voter info is interesting. okay, call me lazy on that one, it would take me hours to sort out. tgif, i have to drive home.
3. innocent people do get killed in wars, i don't feel that's a cop out, because it's true. it's been painful for me because it's been up close and personal. i think it was worth it, you don't.

[Lala]

The Florida Central Voter File was created after fraud was unveiled in 1998 elections for Miami mayor. An investigation of the close-run mayoral election revealed votes had apparently been cast by deceased people, leading to a re-run of the ballot and the ousting of the victor of the first ballot. In response, the Florida state legislature drafted a new election law requiring Florida's 67 counties to purge voter registries of duplicate registrations, deceased voters and felons, many of whom, but not all, are barred from voting in Florida.

In Miami-Dade County the dead walk, the absent return to vote in spirit, felons get reelected and an aide to Janet Reno rises to become deputy assistant secretary for public information.

Miami long since has supplanted Chicago as the epicenter of this nation's most colorful political life. It is the home of U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno, where she once was state attorney. It also is the home of Kendall Coffey, the former Democratic U.S. attorney who resigned after an incident in the Lipstik Adult Entertainment club in which, after ordering a $900 bottle of champagne on a credit card, he bit one of the topless hostesses. In Miami, even Republicans are colorful, as evidenced by former Miami mayor Joe Carollo challenging the late Cuban-American leader Jorge Mas to a duel. He wasn't kidding.

In recent weeks Carollo has been in a duel of another sort with present mayor Xavier Suarez, fighting a last-ditch attempt in the courts to declare the mayoralty elections of last November null and void. Carollo has told Circuit Court Judge Thomas S. Wilson, Jr. that 225 absentee ballots were forged. It seems Carollo would have had the election locked up with 51 percent of the vote if Suarez, an independent, had not produced a last-minute flurry of absentee ballots, forcing a runoff.

[tally]

http://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Fitna_anti-islam_movie_by_Geert_Wilders