A Wright Sermon Worth Hearing?

Perhaps nothing, but if anyone has Harvard Library access - "Women Talking Nonsense" , among some others, by Jeremiah Wright could prove to be a hell of a sermon to hear right about now. heh

link: Wright, Jeremiah A., Jr. "Women Talking Nonsense!" Easter Sunrise Service" (Trinity United Church of Christ, Chicago).  April 19, 1992.  1 cassette

Comments

[ninjapirate]

It probably has to do with the story of the empty tomb. It was discovered by women, nobody believed them, yadda yadda yadda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_of_Jesus

[Tr]

Harvard. More harvard. These people think the government is a living. WorldTeach is pretty neat.

Obama is denouncing nothing. He married his wife, had his children and bought everything this guy said and now we're supposed to worry about Chicago socialist worker party things. He's a game. Scammer. How do we get a job. How do we get a job with the govt. How do we get federal job with govt. How do we get foreign policy control without anyone knowing it's Chicago idiots. How do we get to be President. If you haven't left yet, people are just going to write you off as idiots.

[SE]

Women lying about the damning of Jesus,' resurrection, or is that something else about elections or erections or something the Devil may cry for; Mary responds similarly?

We're all damned here and that's all Jesus teaches, so if they want to buy, get to the end of the line. It's old. A hint for the morons: We're not for the cup of water, we're for the big gun. If your in hell the answer is to end it and it's real easy except for luciferians who are here to entertain themselves and it's sometimes your body.

[IslamoLlama]

Woo! All Obama, all the time!
What is this? The tenth consecutive Obama post? You might want to change the name of this site to Obama World View. Seriously, he couldn't ask for more obsessive coverage.

Tell you what, we'll see how all this Obama-smearing goes by the time of the Pennsylvannia Primary. If Hillary can't hold her 20 point lead in the polls despite All-Obama-Hate all the time, he might be in a bit of trouble in the general. But after the way you guys savaged Kerry and Gore as super secret double Nazi Commie-lammie America haters, people are tired of Limbaugh-speak.

8 years of the conservative pick for President gave us soaring deficits, endless war, crappy social services, and more corruption than you can swing a bag of hammers at. But '06 gave us a revitalized Congress, and your Telecomm Shamnesty is dying in committee. Republican poll numbers are plumeting, Bush's approval numbers remain anemic, and we're just getting started on the NRCC $1 million misallocation scandal. You guys are so boned in the general come November, its knee-slappingly hilarious.

So please, keep pumping out that 24/7 Obama coverage. Give him all the air time in the world. He'll judo every jab, turn every punch, and leave people with a newfound respect for his honesty, integrity, and political savy. It's only going to get worse for conservatives from here.

[Jeffersonian]

I'm actually pulling for him now, IL. By time the general election comes around, we'll have video of BHO giving hearty amens to Wright's vein-popping tirades and it will be painfully obvious to any and all what The Messiah is all about.

[WR]

Funny how you guys are all freaking out because Obama might have heard his pastor say some mean things about aspects of American life. Seems to me when Mike Huckabee was running for president and hid the entire library of his sermons from public view, it didn't bother any of you what was in them or why he was so scared someone might see them.

But let Obama listen to someone saying something you disagree with and he's eeeeevvillll.

[Jeffersonian]

If Huckabee had been, God forbid, the Republican nominee, his sermons would have been front-and-center. Justifiably.

I tell you what, WR, let's play Pastor Wright's sermons, witness The Messiah nodding and shouting in agreement and see if the American public thinks sitting silently was an appropriate activity for a Presidential aspirant.

But of course, The Messiah never heard any of these, as He said. He would have spoken up and/or quit.

And if you believe that, I have a bridge on special this week.

[seekeronos]

WR:

65% or more conservatives thought that Huckabee was a poor choice for the job (of POTUS).

And that had nothing to do with his sermons or lack thereof.

It had a lot more to do with his left-leaning big government populism and general unfitness for the job.

Unfortunately, liberals and socialists have a much duller ability to see thru the BS shields that almost all pols wrap themselves in; there is much too much focus on idiot concerns and identity politics.

Therefore, you should be thankful that we are helping y'all to see it. :)

[jharp]

I've seen plenty of criticism of Obama's pastor here lately.

Any thoughts on Romney's. Garden of Eden in Missouri?

Me, I don't give a dam one way or another. The last time God spoke to one of our leaders we were led into Iraq.

[whiteandblackmixed]

"Any thoughts on Romney's. Garden of Eden in Missouri?"

jharp,
Just so you know, nowadays it seems like the quickest way to get a threat of being banned from posting on this site is to bring up Romney, his Church, Mormon beliefs...........I don't dare go any further......but I think you get the message. By now, you should have guessed that this site is dedicated to Senator Obama.

[cindi]

By now, you should have guessed that this site is dedicated to Senator Obama.

Posted by: whiteandblackmixed | Sunday, March 16, 2008 at 12:07 AM

LMAO, you are dumber than your post make you out!

[jharp]

I truly wish that everyone would just shut up about one another's religious beliefs.

The Christians can't even get along for God's sake.

That's how I feel about it. To each his own. Guaranteed by the U.S. constitution.

[seekeronos]

I'm all for free speech, mind you...

...but to ignore Sen. Obama's association with a man whose hateful and wicked preaching of this charlatan who barely stops short of calling for armed insurrection against the Untied States - along with his associations with a domestic terrorist who actually _did_ carry out armed rebellion against the United States, speaks volumes of his utter lack of suitability for the office of President.

Romney's Mormonism on the other hand, has very little to do with racism or preaching separatism. While I find many of the not-publicized core tenets and the historic practices of Mormonism to be disagreeable, the mainstream LDS church of today largely conducts itself in obedience to the laws of the United States. Nor do they invoke the name of the Lord, the Most High God, to "damn" America.

For that matter, Romney never consulted with any radical Mormons who were trying to revive the Deseret Republic or polygamy, or any other recent anti-American activity for that matter.

So to the point where the IRS would care to investigate any charges of abuse of Rev. Wright's "church" and its 501(3) tax exempt status in lieu of his political speech, I probably would not cry if the IRS found him guilty and revoked his tax exemption. It might not be a good precedent in the day when the libs completely take over and order all the Christians who truly believe and obey Jesus into the death camps... but for now, attention must be drawn to Sen. Obama's extremely questionable supporters.

And whiteandblackmix/doc weasel:

It's Dan's site. He's fairly easy-going about letting people be tools here (as evidenced by BobinStamford's continued postings here, among other tools).

If you've pushed him to the point of banning you, you probably deserve it. And if he wants to obsess on Obama's chicanery through his links to traitourous scumbags, well then - he is paying the hosting bill, not you. It is his site to do with as he pleases. :)

[BobInStamford]

"By now, you should have guessed that this site is dedicated to Senator Obama."

It used to be dedicated to the whereabouts of missing drunken girls from Alabama but it has, forgive the term, EVOLVED.

[Rhod]

When does a candidate's religion become a subject of discussion? When it crosses from metaphysics and transcendance into the secular, and composes a social philosophy that can/will effect the candidate's will and plan to govern. We need to know these things, and common sense is the tool that identifies the distinctions.

A democratic public which ignores the potentials, or fetishizes a principle that religion is "off-limits", in campaigns, deserves the goverment it gets, and it can get something as odious as the paganism of German fascism.

There is a distinction between the ugliness imbedded in Mormonism and the vile stupidities dispensed by Wright's version of Black Liberation Theology. Like obscenity, maybe you can't define it, but you know it when you see it. If you don't know it when you see it, you can't be taken seriously.

[jharp]

"A democratic public which ignores the potentials, or fetishizes a principle that religion is "off-limits", in campaigns, deserves the goverment it gets, and it can get something as odious as the paganism of German fascism."

Or we can elect a man who calls himself a Christian who spends 2 trillion taxpayers dollars to kill 1 million innocents. Or maybe only a few hundred thousand. Your choice.

[Rhod]

Then you agree that religion shouldn't be off-limits.

All the arguments for and against the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars have been made, and some of them include the implications of Crusaderism and Christian zealotry. It's pointless to argue them here in the context of Wright/Obama...and Obama's view of the wars is also somewhat mixed even in light of his assusmed pacifist and Realist Foreign Policy virtues.

The number of deaths in re the wars is also in question, especially the Lancet figures, but it doesn't matter. One was too many, but having had three sons in both current wars in combat roles, I understand both the moral complexities involved, the shear wickedness of war (I was part of one many years ago myself) and the nature of a soldier's life. They aren't mercenaries.

Maybe there's a war you could approve of, past or present (or future), and in doing so, you can then weave your way through the presenting moralities as the rest of us do. It isn't easy.

[jharp]

"Then you agree that religion shouldn't be off-limits."

No, I don't agree.

I think it is a personal and private matter.

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men.

[Rhod]

Pharisees. Who also painted their faces to suggest melancholy and despair. So what?

There several implication of your comment in re the war(s):

- That Bush's escapades would have been neutral had he been an atheist or agnostic -

- That Bush's religion is compromised by the waging of war - This a pretty swampy moral area for you -

- That his agents in the killing are morally complicit in the crime, since they did the killing -

I'm not a Bush fan, and his Compassionate Conservatism is untrue to the Olasky's conception; we can disagree on the Idealism, or if you prefer, Neoconservatism, of his foreign policy.

But we're also told not to judge, and you might find some scripture to support this point. It's a private matter, as you say.

[templar knight]

Uh, jharp, Matthew 6:5 refers to prayer, and especially as it applied to the Pharisees, who loved to show how religious they were by performing long-winded public prayers, yet were unresponsive to the needs of people in private. It does not refer to Christianity being a private matter. The Lord Jesus Christ commanded Christians to spread the Word many times, and He didn't say only from a sanctuary of a church.

If you want it to be a personal and private matter for yourself, let it be so, but quoting scripture out-of-context doesn't support your position as it applies to others.

[jharp]

Rhod,

President Bush, like so many leaders have done in the past, used his religion to sell the war.

I say without being a fake Christian he wouldn't have been able to do so.

And I agree with the "judge not" only in this circumstance President Bush works for us. Thus, I'm judging his work performance. It is our moral duty to do so.

[jharp]

"who loved to show how religious they were by performing long-winded public prayers, yet were unresponsive to the needs of people in private."

Hmmm. Now who does that sound like?

Right wing republicans?

[templar knight]

"Right wing republicans?"

Is that rhetorical, or do you desire an answer?

[jharp]

You do no need to answer.

Just wanted to point out the phoniness of the republicans who call themselves Christian.

[templar knight]

Just so long as you point out the phoniness of Democrats who call themselves Christian, one of which is Obama's Pastor Wright.

[jharp]

Don't really know too much about Pastor Wright but will keep an open mind.

And Pastor Wright is not running for office.

I refuse to get my news from Fox, ElRushbo, Hannity, Boortz, Savage, Malkin, Coulter, National Review, and so forth.

As soon as I see responsible JOURNALISTS, not entertainers, do some thorough reporting I will then form my opinion.

[Rhod]

Interesting worldview. Open-mind filled almost entirely with stereotypes.

[Chris]

Harpy,
There's been some pretty good reporting on Obama/Wright/Ayers/Rezko by the Chicago media. Are they responsible enough for you? Just asking.

[jharp]

Haven't seen it but would be happy to take a look.

Do you have a link?

And I really don't know much about the Chicago media though I do remember them promoting Byron York's lies about FISA some time ago.

[templar knight]

"..do some thorough reporting I will form an opinion."

It's patently obvious that your opinion is formed. In the day of the internet you don't need reporters to tell you what is going on, all you have to do in this particular instance is read and watch Pastor Wright's sermons. I've watched a few myself, and they stimulated my gag reflex. I wonder what your reaction would be to a Republican running for President who attended a Christian Identity "church" and had that "church"'s pastor as his spiritual advisor. I wonder. I think the people at the Christian Identity "churches" call blacks and Jews devils.

[Chris]

Harpy,
Surely you don't need a link to get to the ChiTrib or the SunTimes? Start there and you know, search for their coverage of BHO re: Rezko, Ayers and Wright. Or you can play cute rhetorical games and pretend like there hasn't been any serious reporting on Obama's questionable associations.

[templar knight]

Or you can poke around the other threads on Dan's blog and find several examples of the good paster making hateful and hurtful racist remarks. The very kind he decries in the devilish white race. And I don't know your color, but the chances are good that you are one of those white devils yourself, jharp.

[Fred Beloit]

By harpo: "Don't really know too much about Pastor Wright but will keep an open mind."

This person with an open mind speaks: "Or we can elect a man who calls himself a Christian who spends 2 trillion taxpayers dollars to kill 1 million innocents. Or maybe only a few hundred thousand. Your choice."

There are only a few minor things wrong with this statement. If it weren't for those it would be merely a stupid vs a colossally idiotic pronunciamento. First, he says Bush spent two trillion dollars on the Iraq war. No, the Congress is responsible for spending and they authorized that dough. Second, he said we had the choice of electing Bush again. No, Bush can't be elected again, neither is he a candidate. Third, he speaks of a million "innocents" being killed. Forget the silly number, can he separate the guilty from the innocent for us? No, he cannot.

Harpo also tries to make a case that Wright's oft-quoted remarks have something to do with religion. They don't. They are political and racist remarks that have nothing to do with religion.

Harpo, do yourself a favor, if you are not interested in making sense, why not go comment at Kos where your mindless feelings will be welcomed.

[jharp]

OK, folks. I'll try to be more clear.

I don't give a rat's ass about Obama's pastor just as I don't give a rat's ass about Romney's nutty church leaders.

You attack Obama's pastor because it's all you've got. I, like the rest of America, have had it with your phony right wing bullshit.

Why don't you leave Pastor Wright alone to spread whatever version of Christianity he choses. And let Senator Obama worship at his place of choice without you criticizing his church.

I guess since the Muslim accusations fell through it's time to turn to plan B.

You guys are about to become a minority for many years. And it is exactly because of horseshit like this.

[anonymous]

Juicy stuff from the Politico:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9062.html

Rev. Wright's congregation is the UCC's largest? Oh, my. They're even doing the fashionable Wal-Mart boycott.

Then there's that chicken-roosting comment, again, at reply #15. Did Ward Churchill borrow that line, like he did everything else?

[tally]

hold on jharpo, i've got democrat stamped on my voter's registration card now. it's not about the religion, it's about the HATE. this is huge and it's not going away.

[Rhod]

It didn't take much to smoke you out from your equanimity and open-minded sanctimony, did it Harpo? You end up kicking around in your junkyard of stereotypes, and projecting your wishful thinking onto the rest of America. That's bad enough, but being incapable of making a moral judgement about people you reflexively admire is even worse.

[jharp]

Rhod,

Interesting post.

Though I have no idea what you are talking about.

Moral judgment? Yeah, right. We have seen where voting for the man who claims to have morals has taken us.

I like to deal in reality.

[jharp]

"this is huge and it's not going away"

For the 20%ers you very well might be right.

Can't tell you how thankful I am there are only 20 % of you out there.

[Rhod]

Wright's testimonial for Obama has been deleted from his [Obama's) website. Nobody but the 20% of us phony rightwing bullshitters are interested in this, Harpo? Why does your guy censor his testimonials? You don't care about Wright, but your little tin God Obama does. Strange. What damage can a minority do?

[jharp]

"Why does your guy censor his testimonials?"

I dunno. You tell me.

Maybe he thought it wasn't going to win him any votes.

Makes sense to me.

[jharp]

For the record, I prefer Senator Clinton.

And don't mind McCain too much except for his pro endless war position.

[LOL]

there's no such thing as god, okay people

[templar knight]

All three viable Presidential candidates disagree with you, LOL.

[templar knight]

"For the record, I prefer Senator Clinton."

Changed your mind since yesterday, have you, when on another thread you congratulated Obama on his "clear and concise" refutation of the good Pastor Wright's remarks and looked forward to him being President. You're a strange one, jharp.

[jharp]

"Changed your mind since yesterday, have you, when on another thread you congratulated Obama on his "clear and concise" refutation of the good Pastor Wright's remarks and looked forward to him being President."

No, I haven't changed my mind. I'm not sure I follow you. I still think Obama made a "clear and concise" refutation and still look forward to his election. I said that because I think he is going to win.

Nevertheless, even though I prefer Clinton I am looking forward to either Democrat being President.

Unfortunately for you, most Americans agree.

[seekeronos]

"--- Nevertheless, even though I prefer Clinton I am looking forward to either Democrat being President.

Unfortunately for you, most Americans agree. ---"

Perhaps.

Perhaps not.

I don't much care for Johnny Mac, but I'll hold my nose and vote for the old codger, since the other two choices are unimaginably worse.

We'll just have to see once the election year "monsoon of the bravo sierra" washes out of the Slough of Despond by November and see what manner of creature we get in the White House:

Copperhead McCain
Rattler Hillary
- or -
Cottonmouth Obama

They are pretty much all bad... it's just that the latter two are worse by several orders of magnitude.

[seekeronos]

"--- For the 20%ers you very well might be right.

Can't tell you how thankful I am there are only 20 % of you out there. ---"

And here I thought you were going to be among the very few sane liberal commenters we have ever here on RWV.

But keep up that "20%" stuff, you'll sound just like our resident trolls Bob and "chris", among others.

BTW, keep up with the news, Harpy. Bush is up to 32% according to the recent (ultra-liberal) ABC/WaPo poll [ http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm ]

Unless of course, you are talking about the DemCong ratings at 19%... [ http://www.pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm ]

[jharp]

"BTW, keep up with the news, Harpy. Bush is up to 32%"

I know it has varied some lately but hard to believe 3 out of 10 approve. Sad day for all Americans. Tickles me that you post it as though you are proud. The GOP has sunk pretty low.

"Unless of course, you are talking about the DemCong ratings at 19%"

It is not a dem congress. It is a dem majority by a whisker. Do you not understand how the process works.

Agree that most Americans are dissatisfied. Don't fret though. It is soon to change.

[jharp]

seekeronos,

"They are pretty much all bad... it's just that the latter two are worse by several orders of magnitude."

I see it quite differently.

I think McCain is by far the best the GOP had to put forward and not bad except for his 100 year war plan.

Still tickles me that you've got a Liberal as a nominee.

Clinton and Obama. Either one will make a good President.

You guys have got to wonder. How in the heck did George Bush screw things up this bad. I'd start thinking of a 8 to 12 year rebuilding program.

It's all you've got.