Romney Corners Immigration Debate

Via Digger: Romney understands the dynamics that will dominate the general election. McCain is worse than Democrat-lite on the issue - he leads their open borders charge.

Well I am absolutely stunned. After wondering for months about how serious Romney was on tackling illegal immigration and the strange endorsement of Tom Tancredo after dropping out of the race, Romney has issues the coup de grace. Mitt Romney has appointed Immigration Warrior Kris Kobach to his advisory staff.

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[Wahoo Willie]

I saw a little PBS "discussion" of the (illegal) immigration issue last night and have the same question. Now the gutless will never ask a straight question. Strange since teh gutless will never answer a straight question. But just once I would like for someone to ask these "let anybody who wants to come undefr any circumstances" types. Just where is the fairness and justice to an american citizen, especially those immgrants who came legally, for someone to come in illegally, not pay taxes, etc while the legal (making the same dollar) does. How is it right for an 11.00 an hour carpenter to pay his taxes while another 11.00 hour carpenter sends his money to mexico?

[IslamoLlama]

"Just where is the fairness and justice to an american citizen, especially those immgrants who came legally, for someone to come in illegally, not pay taxes, etc while the legal (making the same dollar) does. How is it right for an 11.00 an hour carpenter to pay his taxes while another 11.00 hour carpenter sends his money to mexico?"

Will, that's the reason you legalize immigrants. Put them in the system, acknowledge them as US Citizens, and get them on the tax rolls. Massive deportations won't happen. The infrastructure for hunting down, containing, verifying, and deporting 12 million people simply does not exist within the United States.

So your choices are "pretend illegals don't exist" or "recognize and integrate illegals into citizens". The current Republican "blind eye" policy hasn't curbed massive immigration. We get - what? - a million new uninvited guests a year? Heck, we get an estimated 10,000 illegal Chinese immigrants a year. No fence is going to keep them out. Even if you could shovel the millions of new kids out, they'd just come spilling back in. It's a Sysphusian endeavor.

If we were a sane country, we'd be building up our infrastructure, expanding our housing capacity, and leveraging our massive foreign appeal into an explosion of man-powered entrepreneurship. Hundreds of thousands of young, hard working, ambitious low-cost laborers should be every business owner's dream.

Imagine, if you would, running a condo with 300 million inhabitants and 12 million squatters. You can try round up all the squatters and tossing them on the street. Or you can try rounding up the squatters and charging them rent. Which one benefits your condo in the long run? America was built on immigration - the tired, the poor, the huddled masses streaming into New York and California, spreading across the mid-west to power our steel mills and our corn fields and our auto industries. The current Republican platform on immigration is the most pathetically anti-free market, anti-business, anti-growth economy immigration policy you could ask for. Pathetic.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

Wow Lama, nice work! I agree that the "blind eye" policy has been quite a joke. Of course I also think it is single minded of you to lay th problem at the feet of "republicans" but I understand the fog of BDS. This glut of illegals did not happen in six years without collusion from both parties. You do of course remember that Reagan and a repub congress already did the amnesty thing back in the eighties. It's fair to blame that bright idea for encouraging the present situation, I think. That's just it though. How often do we have these blanket amnesties and will they also apply to Europeans and Asians who slip in? What about the criminals who come here to hide and increase our crime problems? Remember the Mariel boat people when Castro cleaned out his prisons and insane asylums?

Now there is a point where I agree and it seems as simple as extended/enhanced, whatever work visas. I've said before that I dont care if they all come up here (except the murderers and rapists and such) just do it legally. Doesn't seem much to ask to me, nor does helping the entire north american continent become an economic power house you suggest. Thing is Lama, we are too busy trying to pin the problem on one party or another and no one seems to be working on a reasonable solution......

"It's a Sysphusian endeavor." (That was my favorite line btw.)

[Draegn]

Will, that's the reason you legalize immigrants. Put them in the system, acknowledge them as US Citizens, and get them on the tax rolls. Massive deportations won't happen. The infrastructure for hunting down, containing, verifying, and deporting 12 million people simply does not exist within the United States.

Posted by: IslamoLlama | Friday, February 01, 2008 at 03:58 PM

I am for rounding all the illegal aliens up along with their anchor babies and sending them back to their country of origin. Afterall, according to the jews, Hitler rounded up 6 million of them and sent them to camps in Eastern Europe to die. If Hitler could do that during the 40s while being bombed, I dare say that we can do the same for 12 million+ in our safe and happy land.

[syn]

Wow Draegin you are one sick animal.

I'm all for putting an end to the monstrous slave trade going on and the only way to do this is to stop fraudulent employers, exploitative country-clubbers and Socialist billionaires from encouraging governments to herd human beings across vast barren deserts to 'do jobs' fraudulent employers won't pay legal wages to do and exploitative country-clubbers and Socialist biliionaires would never imagine themselves doing.

Say 20 million illegals(that's the slaves being driven across open borders) are granted citizenship, do you really believe this will end the monstrous slave trading going on for the benefit of fraudulent employers, exploitative contry-clubbers and Socialist billionaires?

'Open Border People' is just another way of saying 'Slave Traders'.

[syn]

Oh by the way Draegin, through the sponsorship program two of my friends here in NYC who came to America in 1992 and whose son was born on American soil was thrown out of the country in 1998 under Clinton because their sponsor had a tax problem.

You didn't seem to have a problem then when the government under Clinton rounded up these legal people and their born-on-American-soil son when they rounded these people up and threw them out of the country.

Funny enough all it took was a letter.

[Draegn]

Syn, it is not a sickness to point out "The most documented event of the 20th century" as Columbia University said, when illustrating to persons who say that there is no way to deport all of the illegal aliens. Point in fact, one can find numerous historical examples of large groups of people being rounded up and relocated to another place. If it could be done then, it can be done now.

The Clintons are communists, the Bushes are liberal pieces of shit. Both, however, only care for and have loyalty to those who line their pockets.

As for your friends who were deported; I can only say that there are some issues with legal immigration that need to be improved upon.

[WAHOO WILLIE SEZ:]

"one can find numerous historical examples of large groups of people being rounded up and relocated to another place."

Case in point: All those Japanese-Americans in WWII. But that was a demonrat president so I guess we forgot. I wont even open that whole Native American migration thingy though I'm surprised that we dont hear all about it since a huge part was done under a repub prezzie.

[syn]

draegn, you missed 'all it took was a letter'

Seriously, contrary to Columbia University whatever they believe, America is not Nazi-land rounding people up and sending them into ovens.

There is a way of ending illegal slave trade, stop making it accessible and acceptable.

If you insist upon justifying slavery that's your problem not mine.