More On McCain's Blue States

And why he's doomed.

Comments

[Chris]

Doesn't this kinda illustrate how the whole conservative movement is dead? McCain is supported in moderate blue states - where most people just happen to, uh, live. How bout that.

The bible-banging conservative base wins out in places where toothbrushes are a novelty. In short, enjoy your last year of the Decider, you aren't seeing another 'conservative' again for a LONG time.

[docweasel]

Chris:
frankly, I welcome it. I'm sick of the "values voter": hypocrites, nanny staters who want to legislate morality, inject religion and religious mores into laws, rant incessantly about the evils of society and our culture and stifle debate and open thought.

More fiscal conservatism, less social conservatism.

[tk]

I am sick of both the left and the right. I love my country an see my neighbors as friends with different ideas. My sister and here husband are coming to visit and we will talk politics, but we love each other and will listen and then disagree. The talk radio people play to there base, hate, hat and more hate.

[Mark]

Doc, you slay me...

Fiscal conservatism? How's that gonna look when he gets done creating a new underclass of 80 million, 20 million of which vote for more nanny state?

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

Here's a link to find out where some of these candidates claim to stand on issues:
http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Investing/HomeMortgageSavings/RetirementFuggedaboutit_SeriesHome.aspx

[Totally Heterosexual Conservative]

It's interesting that some conservatives are all of a sudden sick and tired of the "values voters" who cram their "values" down our throats and "stifle debate." Moreover, talk radio personalities play only to hate. I don't recall hearing much about that from conservatives, say in 2002 or 2004, when, such voters and radio personalities were helping conservatives win elections.

I suspect that establishment conservatives knew this and felt this way all along, but they were in charge; they had their tax cuts and corporate give-aways, so they didn't mind. In fact they gleefully participated in ridiculing anyone who espoused what they are now admitting.

Does this irony require further exploration or is it pretty clear?

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Does this irony require further exploration or is it pretty clear?"

SO what you're saying is that no one should admit their mistakes and make changes. That people should pick a path and stay on it no matter what? Hmmmm.

[seekeronos]

THC, you should not make the mistake of taking a few grumblings from some "conservatives" who identify conservative on a few parts of the entire spectrum of conservatism.

Not all conservatives are social conservatives. Nor are all conservatives fiscal conservatives, or defense/security conservatives.

But we all are generally willing to make concessions to one another for the greater good of preserving our generally agreed upon values.

Anomalies like McCain are not conservative; he is the presumptive nominee in part because of the blowback from Bush 43, and perhaps in larger part due to MSM spin and also in part to McCain's strategy of courting the "Country Club Pubbies" who are not at all conservative:

The Country Clubbers are largely are the big-government, liberal-moderate military-industrial complex friendly wing of the GOP. And McCain has been anointed by those country-clubbers.

The voting sheep on the other hand, have eaten up the War Hero mythos and have become drunk on it, as if he will singlehandedly give us a victory over the Jihadists.

They are, THC, in your parlance... a lot closer to being "fascists" in the classical sense of the word, than the more grounded Reagan/Goldwater conservatives.

McCain strikes me as essentially being an old Dixiecrat wearing an elephant suit... or to be a little nicer, an old-school Rockefeller Republican who is attempting (and may yet succeed) in rolling back the Reagan/Goldwater Revolution back to 1960... and he might get his way in so doing - rolling us right on back to a Democrat presidency (except he will be a crypto-muslim in touch with the agents of the Caliphate), a Democrat supermajority in both houses, and a pack of marxist judges earmarked for circuit court and SCOTUS slots.

[docweasel]

seek, that's a very poor analogy. Dixiecrats were, foremost, reactionaries who wanted to keep the racial status quo and keep the blacks from gaining political power in the South.

They would have been very loathe to open up immigration like McCain/Kennedy. They would not have signed a campaign finance reform act, let alone fathered one.

Actually, a Dixiecrat is what it seems like some of you hard righties want.