Conservative Losers Rallying To McCain?

What a freaking joke watching people rally to McCain because his beloved NY Times attacked him. This is a man we all watched lie to everyone's face repeatedly about a non-quote from a primary competitor. It's a man with the Keating Five past who has acknowledged affairs and womanizing in the past. But suddenly the NY Times attacks and he's St. John, again? If you want to drink that Kool Aide, why not simply worship Obama? After all, he's the other religion of the month. And all McCain can do is what he always does - mention Viet Nam at the top of his presser?

What a freaking loser this guy is. I hope Conservatives defending McCain get what they deserve - liberal President Barack Hussein Obama and his not proud of America wife. Choke on that while shilling for this tragically and potentially fatally flawed candidate the GOP establishment forced down your throat.

If you think this is the end to his dirty laundry after all these years in DC, you're nuts!

Comments

[DBrooks]

For the most part, I have enjoyed visiting this site, and reading your thoughts. However you seem to have "flipped your lid." This post, and others like it, are the worst kind of hyperbole one normally associates with our fellow citizens on the Left. I'm sure it means nothing to you, but you have lost me. You've descended to the point where I really can't take anything you write seriously anymore. By around September, I suspect your writings will have narrowed to one long primal scream. You remind me of younger participants, relatively new to the realities of politics, whose dismay and disappointment with those realities result in a constant ramping up of rhetoric and profanity. One might as well scream at the rising sun, and accomplish as much. I am not a big fan of John McCain. I would strongly prefer another Republican. The political REALITY is McCain is going to be the Republican candidate for President. Anyone who wants to seriously argue that he, for all his faults, isn't infinitely preferable to the Democratic alternatives, has lost perspective. Again, I know my opinion and $20.00 could buy a nice Argentinian Malbec, but, if asked, I would advise you to take a deep breath, pause for some sober reflection, and try to regain any perspective you once had.

[Dr. K]

Dan:

McCain well may be a bastard. But he's OUR bastard. Did I want to see him get the nomination? HELL NO! However, even though I live in a state which notoriously does not vote Republican, I will hold my nose and vote for McCain, because the alternative is too vile to imagine.

What most of the knuckleheads do not get is that national preference polls are meaningless. State-by-state preferences with electoral college votes are a far better measure of who is going to be our next president. But that is far too much work.

If you want to act like a petulant little kid and sit this one out, I hope to hell you remember that you have absolutely no right to bitch about who gets elected.

[Kaitian]

Dan,

I would have to disagree with your post here. Like the others say, McCain may be a bastard but really is the alternative better?

On Tuesday, I voted for Romney in Washington State and I'm proud to say I'm one of the 20% of the Washington State Republican Party to have casted my vote for Romney as well as my 5 other family members. But comes the general election this November, I will vote for John McCain.

[Dan Riehl]

I'll take sticking to my principles over the GOP pap above any day of the week - thanks. Try looking around at the people actually starting to look at third parties if you want to pretend I've given up.

http://www.americanconservativeparty.org/

DLTDHYITA

[Dan Riehl]

Reasonable people can disagree, Kaitian. Above I was responding to the jerks who were insisting I trumpet the ZGOP line or they were moving on. They should do just that, as far as I'm concerned. I'm a conservative, not a Republican. If people want that term to devolve into Dem-lite and all we ever get is bigger government, so be it. But I won't pretend it won't be the end of the best parts of the American experiment in self government.

[Dan Riehl]

"no right to bitch"

I'll turn that back on you, Dr. K. As long as you continue to vote for that which you don't apparently truly support, you have no right to bitch about not getting the good government you allegedly seek. You see something noble in that? Sorry, I don't. You settle for less, you get it, time after time after time. When is enough, going to be enough for some of you folks?

[Dr. K]

No way am I insisting that you trumpet the GOP party line - that's precisely what the Democrats do. Point out the faults, if you must.

But voting for a third party is a fool's errand. And I never though you a fool.

However you are breaking Reagan's 11th commandment.

[Kaitian]

Dan, you're right about your principles. But when I see the future of this country under Obama's leadership, I shudder on how he will perform with respect to the Constitution especially the 2nd Amendment. Even his wife has demonstrated socialist/communist stances to the American people which no one seems to care about and that can be a huge factor in the husband/wife relationship. Unlike Ann Romney and Cindy McCain, Michelle Obama's been extremely vocal about how we should be and it's alot worse than what Hillary Clinton has said during her senatorship or First Lady.

Even I see the United States Department of Defense being drastically devastated because Obama would see it as a source of cutting fundings for his entitlement programs. Not to mention he also sees capital taxes as another huge source of revenues because he's not going to raise taxes on the low/middle classes for his programs too. We have the highest regressive capital taxes in the west and it hurts companies alot.

I don't know but right now the situation is just shitty.

[Dr. K]

Dan, I believe that voting is choosing the least worst candidate. The only way my vote counts would be if I voted Democartic in this state.

At least with McCain, you know what you're in for. A vote for Hillary is simply a vote for Hillary - she is only out for herself. A vote for Obama is a vote for Hugo Chavez style government. I lived in one Communist dictatorship for a year as an expat. I don't want to become an expat because my country has become a Communist dictatorship.

[Dan Riehl]

a third party

I can't recall ever having posted anything on my voting third party other than the link above to Bill Quick's new site - another matter entirely.

If anything I'm arguing the reverse - the GOP needs to provide canddiates I cna support, or do without my vote. Good Lord - has America gotten so bad I have to defend that principle to fellow conservatives?????? You vote for junk, you get junk. I don't want to be blamed for bad government just because some are apparently too willing to accept it as the lesser of two evils.

[Dan Riehl]

Another thing Dr. K: Reagan's 11th commandment ...

I've mentioned to several times - I am not a Republican. I am a conservative who usually votes and supports Republicans ... until I don't. I left the Dem Party to register "I" and vote for Reagan.

[tk]

Dan,
You seem to have lost it. First the times article was run not to tell us about a bogus relationship with a lobbyist but to bring up the Keating 5. Let me tell you I live in Arizona and was here all through the Lincoln savings and loan. Keating went to prison, senator DeConcini lost his office and McCain was cleared by the democrat senate hearings. He was not my choice but you seem to have lost your mine over the man. Sorry to see it,you are normally a reasonable person.

[Corey Cronrath]

This article is asinine! The NYT had this hit piece in the tank since December, and endorsed McCain before the Florida primary because of this, and also to get back at Rudy. Now they can unload this garbage and try to sink the likely GOP nominee to get a REAL liberal elected. They seem to realize that McCain is no liberal, I wish sites like this would notice this fact as well. McCain is a conservative who has taken a few iconoclastic positions(yes, I know the list). I would not ask that conservatives ignore areas where they and McCain disagree, but please put them in their proper perspective. National Security, pro-life, constitutionalist judges, small gov't John McCain vs liberal # 1 or 2. Which one would a reasonable conservative support?

[Dan Riehl]

McCain was cleared by the democrat senate hearings.

BS - he wasn't "cleared." AT the very least, the report stated his judgment was tragically flawed. Oh gee, just what we need in a Prez. And FU people suggesting others have "lost their minds" because they won't just spit out the usual GOP talking points and go along. How about some of you start standing up for what you allegedly believe? I haven't been hurling accusations your way and I'm getting tired of the weak-kneed losers, wouldbe conservatives, I'm hearing it from.

I'm an American first, a Conservative second - and I generally support he GOP third. Get it - or get the hell out of my comments area with the unnecessary aspersions.

[Jimmie]

"However you are breaking Reagan's 11th commandment"

I find it interesting that Republicans seem to remember this one a whole lot more than a phrase Reagan used as much, if not more often: "Trust, but verify".

I trusted McCain and I verified that he betrayed my trust repeatedly. Thus, I do not trust him anymore. If he wants my trust back, he must give me a verifiable reason to do so.

That's how Reagan rolled, folks.

[Dan Riehl]

Corey - I don't much like being blackmailed into voting for people, sorry. Maybe the GOIP will remember that next time before cultivating the bigotry of the religious Right against a perfectly acceptable candidate who happened to be Mormon. Had a few more prominent "Christian" leaders been speaking out then, as opposed to the Huckster who only fueled the hate, perhaps I'd feel differently. But the GOP brand isn't looking real good to me these days - that's just a fact. And the pro-life, anti-Mormon "christians" (far from all, I realize) can bite me and lost the Court thanks to their own particular brand of bigotry and hate.

[seekeronos]

"--- The NYT had this hit piece in the tank since December, and endorsed McCain before the Florida primary because of this, and also to get back at Rudy. Now they can unload this garbage and try to sink the likely GOP nominee to get a REAL liberal elected. ---"

Gee, what a shocker.

I mean, ya couldn't have seen that coming like a mushroom cloud off a 500 MT nuclear explosion?

"--- Corey - I don't much like being blackmailed into voting for people, sorry. ---"

I feel yer pain, Dan. I am not at all impressed with McCain, or the willingness of some folks to simply roll over for the party machinery to do its thing. I don't care much for Huckabee at all, but at least it can be said of him that he fought it out to the end.

I wish that Fred and Mitt had stuck it out longer, at least long enough to have forced a brokered convention.

As for McCain, he is *not* a conservative.

At best, he is a center-right moderate with a few rather uncomfortable swings to the left on some issues.

He's sort of like the GOP's Lieberman -- disliked by the ideological purists, but tolerated if not well-liked by the party establishment.

That said, for lack of an electable third party candidate (Ron Paul has said he won't run as an indy or a third party candidate this time, the Constitution party is hardly on any state ballot lines, much less enjoying any realpopularity outside of the old patriot/militia fringes, the Libertarians are still the "Party of Pot", and are about as equally unlikely to get anyone elected as dogcatcher much less POTUS.

Sorry folks... the only two games in town for getting a POTUS are the DNC and the GOP.

Unless, of course, you have obscene amounts of money (Ross Perot, Mike Bloomberg, Don Trump, etc.)

Then you can be someone's Indy spoiler vote.

[seekeronos]

That said, as much as the thought of "President McCain" makes me cringe... the thought of those two America-hating, American-hating, communist-sympathizing, Islamist-enabling scumbags like Barrack and Michelle Obama setting up shop in the oval office puts me into dry heaves.

If facing the reality of choosing between those two shameless, godless Marxist crypto-muslims and a womanizing old grouchy codger who I can only hope will be keep us closer to the center line than the crazed fringes of the communist nutroot left...

...then I will (however reluctantly) accept that I have been "blackmailed".

[chris]

You should vote for McCain - he'll let your anchor baby stay.

[templar knight]

"...America-hating, American-hating, communist-sympathizing, Islamist-enabling scumbags...."

Damn, seek, I thought you were talking about chris until I noticed the plural, so I thought you were talking about chris, Boob, LOL and the rest of our resident leftists. Then I saw Barack and Michelle mentioned, and I thought, well, "Birds of a feather flock together."

[chris]

Do you ever work, or just live off of the land your grandpappy left you? No wonder your kids don't amount to much.

[templar knight]

"Do you ever work...."

Well, yes, I do. As a matter of fact, I worked today. Went in around 10 am, left at 2:30pm. That's what you can do when you're the boss, dufus.

"No wonder your kids don't amount to much."

Depends on your definition of "amount to much", I suppose. My oldest son is a mechanical engineer and works for Albemarle Corporation. My youngest son is in the US Army. My daughter is 13 and attends middle school. I'm proud of them. What you think about them doesn't mean squat to me.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Do you ever work, or just live off of the land your grandpappy left you? No wonder your kids don't amount to much."

This from someone who appears to be here all hours of the day and night.Wont say what he/she does and seems to think everyone elses kids are nothing. Personally I suspect a bitter stay at home mom who's kids are in street gangs but I have nothing else to go on.

[templar knight]

Willie, that chris is a little turd, that's for sure.

[Jim]

Mr. Riehl, I'm not sure how you have shown that conservatives are "worshiping" McCain by defending him over this NY Times story or showing support for him in the general election. Do you mean to suggest that it is somehow unprincipled (as I read on a different blog) to actively support in the general, say, an Eisenhower Republican, even if you much more strongly as a Taft Republican.

Moreover, backing McCain pragmatically today is no more an act of "worship" then backing Gerald Ford pragmatically in 1976. This is unless one presumes there is something wrong inherently with backing anyone on a pragmatic basis, or that John McCain somehow is uniquely not deserving of this backing (unlike numerous other compromise candidates in American history). John McCain is clearly the more conservative (even the more classical liberal) candidate then Barack Obama. Is he ideal? Not even close. But a nation at war cannot put what is essentially someone to the left of George McGovern into office as it's commander in chief.

[Harvey]

Dang this is just February, and people go ape s**t the first time McCain gets a little
taste of what the NYT and the lib spin machine have planned. you ain't seen nothing yet.
This was just a test run to see what kind of reaction the media can get.
Dan is right, just wait till they start dishing out the real dirt. The media has
been waiting for this chance since 2000, when the Republican establishment made a deal
with the devil to get McCain to go away. Time to pay up.

[seekeronos]

Well, I do believe that we will be in for a show for all the dirt that is about to go flying... my hope is that:

(a) so much dirt gets uncovered on J-Mac that it makes Larry Craig's toe-tapping adventure look like Bingo night at the church... and somehow we wind up with a brokered convention, or the party censures him and disciplines him somehow

(b) or, the much more likely event of some more spurious and juicy stuff being dug up, but nothing being really provable... and that taking a back seat to the shenanigans that Hillary will be pulling as she goes into total meltdown mode because "her" nomination is walking away with Obama (things like tinkering and bribing superdelegates and going after pledged delegates and trying to get a federal court to subpoena the DNC into forcing it to seat the FL and MI delegates who were disbarred, or something wonky like that.

I think the entertainment from the Democrat side of the house will be much more infotaining.

[tk]

Dan,
As I said you are nuts about McCain. The report said "poor judgment", same thing they said for John Glenn.