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"Natalee may not have been on cocaine." Mae I only wanted to point out that back in July O'Reilly was reported very similar news.

Who dumps a body in the ocean when its accidental circumstances?

He either drugged her and that led to her death, raped her before or after she died (or passed out) or killed her.

He makes the comment that the police have nothing even if they find her body with his semen. He also makes the comment that he really didn't know that she was in fact dead. He also makes the comment that he tried to revive her.

"Who dumps a body in the ocean when its accidental circumstances?"

People who "accidently" kill other people panic and do dumb sh** all the time. The fact that he has gone on with his life as if he ran over some kids dog, makes statements about how the cops have nothing is where he parts company with decent folks

In my opinion, Aruba has one screwy judicial system~ taped confessions enough to re-open case but not re-arrest~ I will never ever go back there!!!!

SO, WHERE'S JUG TWITTY? HAVEN'T HEARD MUCH OF HIM LATELY. HE WAS VERY INTERESTED IN NHS' WELL BEING. I THINK HE TRIED TO LAY DOWN THE LAW IN THEIR HOUSEHOLD, BUT THEY DIDN'T LISTEN. TOO BAD. SHAME, I HOPE THEY FIND OUT WHAT REALLY HAPPENED. THAT JOE TACCOPINA IS A GOOD DEFENSE LAWYER. IS BETH REMARRIED? HAVEN'T REALLY KEPT UP WITH THE SOAP OPERA.

She had drugs on her so the drug put in her drink story is wrong. She took drugs on her own. Deepak told joran in the police car tapes that he would get 15 years. so it can't be murder, or he would have said "you'll get life."

It sounds like this puppy got his candy stick in similar situations before. The odds were up on him that something will go wrong. Shocking! She might have actually been alive before he knocked her up and threw her overboar after using a spike of cocaine on her drink. But God he should have clammed up!! He should have settled for getting a piecemeal like a New York win in a football game like Rudy did than to be in Van der sloot's shoes right now.

Nothing new. Julia Renfro & aruban keystone cops, with aruban business & government interests directing have successfully shifted the responsibility for her death to Natalee. Renfroe was tooting that false trail within weeks of Natalees disappearance. aruba stinks.

It's a ploy for Joran to get more jail time and increase chances to get a payoff. There is no evidence and Joran was just spouting off the same thing that was said in the news a year ago.

Finally a JVS interview/tape that I can buy into (TIPS - over and out)....

She had drugs on her so the drug put in her drink story is wrong. She took drugs on her own. Deepak told joran in the police car tapes that he would get 15 years. so it can't be murder, or he would have said "you'll get life."

I have to correct you dutch law doesn't have a life sentence for murder except in very rare cases (mental).
And furthermore our legal system is very different to yours, and thats why the police wont arrest him only if he goes to Dutch Antilles.
They dont wanna f** up again (wouldn't be a first time somone walks because of mutiple mistakes during a case).
And then the last comment, the chance that Joran dies befor he can be arrested is far greater then being arrested almost the whole country wants him dead.

Deepak: You think that the girl has nothing on, you will see who fucked who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]

Joran: We will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've given you a slap in the face. I'll laugh when they find the girl alive, fuck you.

Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with that girl. En if they find the girl, then we shall see

Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?

Deepak: I want them to find the girl. You are going to tell shit about me that I have buried the girl at fishermans hut

Joran: Who has said about burying? I didn't say anything about burying.

Deepak: That's what you have stated. Stop with that bullshit.

Joran: I have said nothing about burying. The only thing what I can think of, is that you know people that it is the people of automotive enterprises.

Satish: Yeah, yeah,yeah, yeah,yeah,yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,yeah... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.

Joran: Who has said that?

Satish: You said that.

Joran: I have never said that friend. I have never said that you went back, friend.

Joran: That's your problem. If they find that girl, then they will see that shit.

The Kalpoes are definitely involved and they are stating that Joran will be in trouble if the body is found. Because they will see the shit Joran did to her. I find it hard to believe that aruba would only give 15 years for murder. It has to be a longer sentence.

Under dutch law that's about as close to a max sentence as you get, for murder you'll normally get about 10 years or less.
Murder 10 to 15
Drug smuggeling if its less then a kilo you'll walk more then a kilo about 6 months
Rape 2 to 8 years.
assault depends on how bad victim has been beaten but mostly you'll get a year or 2.

the friend with a boat ???//


WHO is He ???????

Should go to jail next to joran

Posted by: maria | Friday, February 01, 2008 at 08:36 PM
-----------------------------------

This would have been Steve Croes, the party boat DJ who had access to a Zodiac. He was arrested and released early in the initial investigation back in 2005, however not before letting loose a humdinger of a lie. You can find a CNN interview of Croes on YouTube where he is lying through his teeth. Clearly, Croes is the "friend with a boat" who assisted the body disposal at sea.
****************************************8

Are the police going to question Croes?

Note - JVS said he has something on him - he was a musician on the ship the other girl who dissappeared in Aruba was on and went to carlos and charlies with her - - I believe i remember a blog long ago saying this.

http://michellesaysso.blogspot.com/2007/04/amy-bradley-rumored-sighting-in.html


RICH: Now, remember we talked about trying to find out about Steve Croes, the DJ, and he was supposed to be a suspect in the other case in 1998?

M: What case in 1998?

RICH: The girl that was missing off the cruise ship.

M: You mean Amy Bradley?


RICH: Yep. And I went to talk to the prosecutor back in 1998 to ask them to take this guy’s clothing, but Aruba said it wasn’t their case. They said if the suspect was on the island they would have done something. But the suspect WAS on the island, because he LIVES there. We got nothing there either. They just don’t divulge any information. They want to make it hush

--------------------------------------------------------------

This should have been an easy case to solve:

Hmm.....suspect in Amy Bradley case --- Croes involved somehow here.....hmmmm

Forensic Psychologist Corine de Ruiter:
“Joran has psychopathic traits”

Corine de Ruiter is Professor of Forensic Psychology at Maastricht University. She’s followed Peter R de Vries’s TV crime programme about Natalee Holloway from start to finish. She calls it “brilliant” and “very professionally made”. In an interview with NRC Handelsblad she today analyses Joran van der Sloot. De Ruiter: “Of course it’s impossible to make a diagnosis on the strength of a television programme. Everything portrayed during the show would have to be verified. Not only the facts but people’s behaviour as well.”

A number of striking quotes from De Ruiter about Joran van der Sloot from the NRC Handelsblad interview:

“It's not about Natalee. It’s all about him. He got away with it. He is counting on compensation for being unjustly held in police custody.”

“He is the picture of an extremely antisocial young man. Very egocentric. Egomania. He uses others. No sense of empathy. Joran talks about Natalee as if she were a thing. Lots of smoking dope, gambling, picking up girls, a certain fascination with gangsters. He tends towards an antisocial lifestyle and has psychopathic traits.”

“Drugs can supress one’s inhibitions somewhat, but it’s not like they’re going to start making up all kinds of stories under the influence of cannabis.”

“I’m very convinced by what I have seen. Lying and manipulating the criminal investigators: it all fits in. And if Joran didn't have these personality traits, he would have dealt with the situation with Natalee differently. The cover-up was quite calculating. The next day he went to school as if nothing had happened.”

“Such a scheming mindset is a risk factor for violence. And since Joran is so narcissistic, he easily feels offended.”

http://www.peterrdevries.com/news-psychologist.htm

http://www.equivocationnation.blogspot.com
It's unbelievable, but this blogger scooped NBC by a day or so and is still posting new news about that case. I can't believe they're sleeping about this.

Dr. Phil and CBS tried to halt the case by calling into question the legalities of suspects in a case to be tried in Aruba suing an American TV host. Dutch and American forensic experts have conclusively proven that McGraw 'doctored' the tapes

Okay...if the translation was correct on the "hidden" video, then yes, Joran van der Sloot made a lot of admissions. However, if it is also true that the guy doing the driving was also his weed supplier, then maybe old Joran only "admitted" these things to look "tough", in order to continue getting his cheeba. There was obviously nothing that he said that led to any tangible evidence--except to name a person who was nowhere around Aruba at the time as his accomplice. I just think JvdS is blowing smoke up his "friend's" keister. He probably thinks the guy worships him...that's the way it seemed to me...

Within 48 hours of Natalee's "disappearance," her family was repeatedly asked
if Natalee had a history of seizures.

Now why were Aruban police asking this question? They didn't just pull that question out of the blue.
Maybe Joran spilled his guts early and the cops knew right away how Natalee died.

The Cover-up in Aruba made frontpage news in yesterday's de Telegraaph.

I've followed this from day one and still continue to do so...Without getting into the trillion events associated with this story I'll just say that I hope he visits Boston someday.......So I can take him to lunch.
Nuff said

BOSTON BOB: LET ME KNOW WHEN. I'LL PAY FOR LUNCH. MY TREAT!

Sounds good Seth !
I'm hoping he at least gets thrown out of the school he's now enrolled at.
Not sure how they do things over there.
He should hook up with OJ now.....what a team!

From NBC13.com

Thursday, Feb 07, 2008 - 02:41 PM Updated: 03:26 PM
By Jennifer Hale

Thursday, Aruban prosecutors are scheduled to meet with Joran van der Sloot in Holland. Van der Sloot has not been arrested - he's meeting with prosecutors voluntarily.

The topic of discussion: his secretly recorded confession. If convicted in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, van der Sloot could face as little as a few months in jail or as much as life in prison, but first it will take a lengthy legal battle to even bring him into court.

According to Dutch and Aruban law, Joran van der Sloot's secretly taped confession by itself isn't strong enough to have him re-arrested, let alone bring him to trial, since he now says he made the story up. But van der Sloot's confession is giving prosecutors some new clues where to look for additional evidence, and Natalee's family has more insight into what may have happened to her.

Van der Sloot's confession is hitting Natalee's family hard. Van der Sloot says he was lying, but Natalee's family says for once - they think he's being honest.

"Oh absolutely - I watched him intently: his mannerisms, his tone of voice. I'm absolutely sure that's the truth., " says Paul Reynolds, Natalee's uncle and Beth Holloway's brother.

It's not just a gut feeling either. Natalee's father Dave Holloway arranged for the confession to be tested through voice analysis equipment that detects lies. Holloway says the test's result: a truthful, valid statement. Except Holloway believes the story goes on from there.

"A lot of people on tv are afraid to say it, but I'm not: I think there's more to it, " says Dave Holloway.

He suspects van der Sloot slipped Natalee drugs - a common practice in Aruba's night clubs. Holloway says a detective warned him about it the first day he arrived in Aruba.

"He repeatedly told us, and I'll never forget: He says watch your drink around here because drugs are prevalent and somebody may slip something into it," says Holloway.

One of the more common drugs in Aruba: GHB, also known as the Date Rape Drug in America, but in Aruba it's commonly used as a party drug, one you can even order at some bars.

"You can buy a drink and pay a bartender $25, and he'll put it in it, " says Holloway.

In his confession, van der Sloot described Natalee's condition on the beach that night: trembling, that turned into shaking and then nothing...an unconscious state van der Sloot says he couldn't wake Natalee from... symptoms Samford University's Dr. Pam Sims says could describe someone who's been given GHB.

"Generally when they pass out, it looks like a coma. They are not arousable. That is generally caused because they're blood pressure drops so low, " says Dr. Pam Sims, Pharmacy Chair at Samford University.

In his confession, van der Sloot says he checked to see if Natalee was dead before deciding to drop her in the ocean, but Dr. Sims warns that's a call van der Sloot wasn't qualified to make.

"Lay people may not be able to detect pulses that are very faint or breathing that's very shallow or irregular," says Dr. Sims.

If van der Sloot's confession is true - Natalee may have been alive when she was thrown into the ocean.

"He claims he shook her and she didn't arouse- that doesn't mean she's dead, " says Dr. Sims.

"We try not to think about because it's too painful to imagine," says Reynolds.

Dutch media reports claim fifty percent of Holland's population watched the tv report about the secretly recorded tapes. Newspapers are full of stories and opinion columns about the alleged confession. Now the country's Parliament is bitterly debating whether lawmakers should step in and review how the case is being handled.

Aruba's chief prosecutor is fighting to have van der Sloot re-arrested and brought to trial, but so far a Dutch judge says no.

"He put the threshold very, very high because this is the third consecutive time you've asked me for this in two and a half years time. Well, this is serious, but he thought it didn't meet his threshold, " explains Aruba's Chief Prosecutor Hans Mos.

If an arrest happens, this would be the third time Aruba has taken van der Sloot into custody for Natalee's disappearance. Every time the prosecution asks for permission to re-arrest, their burden of proof increases.

According to Aruban law, a suspect's own words can't be used against him and there's no such thing as perjury. Consequently, a judge needs something to back up van der Sloot's confession. However, right now, there are several reasons the judge doubts van der Sloot's confession:

The accomplice van der Sloot says dumped Natalee's body has come forward and says the story is made up. The phone booth van der Sloot says he used to call the accomplice is actually a credit card only phone for tourists that just connects to the United States. Plus, van der Sloot says he abandoned his shoes the night Natalee died in a drain on his walk home, but Aruba doesn't have street-side drains.

The Aruban Prosecutor's Office says investigators are searching for the needed back up evidence. If they can find it, they are considering charging van der Sloot with:

Aiding and Abetting First Degree Murder, which carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment; Injury to Health Causing Death, which carries a sentence of six to nine years; Accidental Death, a sentence of up to nine months; Illegal Disposal of a Corpse, a sentence of up to six months and Not Giving Aid to Someone in Need, which also carries a sentence of up to six months.

If van der Sloot is ever brought to trial and convicted, he would get credit for the time he's already served in jail. Aruba's Prosecutor expects a higher court to answer his appeal to re-arrest van der Sloot by next Tuesday.

Maria, you are NOT correct in posting that the tapes were declared "doctored."

"Doctored" is not the word that was used.

And it's very possible that Dr. Phil edited the tapes due to time constraints without changing the context.

Let's see how it all plays out, but the word "doctored" is false info.

Read what an Aruban girl posted about drugging and date-raping occurring on the island.
It happens to both tourists and local girls.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53049

Please note that the administrator of the SM blog verified that the post did indeed
originate from Aruba.

"

Maria, you are NOT correct in posting that the tapes were declared "doctored."

"Doctored" is not the word that was used.

And it's very possible that Dr. Phil edited the tapes due to time constraints without changing the context.

Let's see how it all plays out, but the word "doctored" is false info.

Posted by: JusticeforNatalee | Saturday, February 09, 2008 at 01:30 PM"

Gee whiz. Have you even taken the time to see the tapes for yourself? You can find the originals on youtube. They WERE spliced by Dr. Phil and Deepak did NOT say that he had sex with Natalee. As someone who has taken the time to look at a lot of the evidence in this case, I actually don't think the Kalpoe brothers were involved at all. They will win the lawsuit against Dr. Phil. That guy is trash.

Highlights of Joran's Confession Tape
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_zy2cvYu7FQ

English Subtitles

JUG TWITTY DISCUSSES THE COVER UP IN ARUBA
Must-See Video!

Also, GHB likelihood discussed.

Video packed with powerful info and discussion.

Jug says the police knew on Day 2!

Calls out Van der Straaten, who told Jug to shut up or else he would stop the investigation.

Also calls out Paulus.

Possible charges also discussed.

NANCY GRACE: FEATURING MR. JUG TWITTY
Part1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-O7ApQQi5IU
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRVij3iCzH8
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EndajyysbLI
Part4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4a0q9EWqv4


Courtesy Carpe Noctem, SM

*JOIN IN ARUBA BOYCOTT IN BOSTON*
FEB.22-24


Hi guys,
This is a repost from earlier about the travel show protest of Aruba in honor of Natalee Holloway, and I was copying it again with permission from the writer, Marlee. This is from the website, "Scared Monkeys." It is such a good idea, we hope everybody will pick up on this and join in. so, here it is! She said it is ok to post her message there also. Just bumping in case any people from other boards are reading. Marlee said it is ok to take this back to your boards, and let everyone know! This is a very well organized gathering, with all proper permits, specially printed T-shirts, and such.


Hi Monkeys!
Even after Joran has confessed to Natalee’s demise, called the Aruban law enforcement “f*cking idiots” and laughed in the face of the Aruban government, the judge has made the decision there will be no re-arrest of Joran. Now, more than ever, we need to unite and fight to get justice for Natalee.

The Boston Travel Show is being held February 22-24. Aruba is a supporting sponsor of this event. We need YOU there. We need to let Aruba know that we will not stand for this type of treatment of an American citizen. We need to educate travelers on the cover up, corruption, and injustice that abounds on Aruba.

My son and I are driving 12 hours to get there. Six hours into the trip we are picking up fellow Monkey CJ. We have a hotel room in downtown Boston, 1.5 miles from the convention center, for $60 a night through Priceline.com. If I can do this, so can you. If you can only be there for 15 minutes, an hour, a day, we need to unite and stand strong for what we believe.

You don’t have to post here to be a Monkey; you don’t have to read here every day to be a Monkey. To me, the definition of a Monkey is someone who believes in justice for Natalee and all missing people. Someone who believes that Aruban Government needs to do the right thing and if they don’t they need to suffer the consequences.
I know there are Monkey’s that are closer to Boston than we are. WE NEED YOU THERE!!!

If you are able to join us at the Boston Travel Show, please contact Vicki at JusticeforNatalee@gmail.com for details.

Here is a link for the travel show http://www.bostonglobetravelshow.com/

WE STAND WITH THE GIRL NATALEE HOLLOWAY! (If we don't, who will?)

Marlee, you are one of my heros. This is so great what you are doing. Thank you. xoxo NM

This Joran is as slick as OJ. He kills a girl admits it and nothing happened. OJ kills two people with his blood and DNA everywhere and he gets away with it. Is there justice in this world?????????

IMHO the fat lady has sung. It's time to let Natalee RIP in the ocean, and take up an active cause to educate young women (and men) about the perils of foreign countries.

Here in the U.S. tonight (Friday 2/22/08) on the east coast...Holloway Case on Dateline NBC 10 pm est

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if Yoran contacts you on the internet and wants to borrow money please be advised that other lenders to him are complaining that does not pay back these loans. if he asks for your online banking pin number you might have the same problem.

how much did he hit you up for, kaycee?

hope u get it back.

he is going to destroy my life, he already half did.
and i will take him down.
and all of you will be my witnesses.

i know him.
i know him like the back of my hand.
if you have doubt in this read his book, because even he knows it.

i used to love him.
it turned to deep caring for him.
then i felt him a part of me and i felt truly sorry for him.
i hated the people who hated him.
i defended him on international television.
but then he touched my child's future happyness.
now that i tried to understand, from his point of view.
just maybe he can't help it.
but it's all about him all the time.

and my relationship is on a thread, i'm literally waiting for the day that my family
will fall appart.when something explodes, it will only take one reporter.
and his carelessness in putting out stories.
because he wants it that way.

you will be my witnesses.
just because i came here first.
and i want you all to know i changed my mind.
and that some of you were right about the person he can be.

peter de vries only knew him for 6 months.

he can't go around hurting more souls.
and i will put a stop to it.

now do you remember me ?

Steve Croes is that you?.

The negative type photo of the plastic bag in bin is incredible...and why was the basin cememted over? Has anyone ever pushed these questions to Arubian police? Perhaps Aruba didn't cement over the bin, perhaps a guilty person did? Hoping this is all a mute point with the new infromation from Peter de Vries, still seems so many injustices.
______________________
YES I did, I did the negative photo of the plastic bag and took the pictures of the new cememted photo's from BB and sent them to ART WOOD and the FBI we all know the truth ARUBA. I also sent all this infromation to Peter de Vries. STILL WAITING

Is it KeyWest Riding a white horse named Honesty and swinging a sword named Truth.?
I love that gal.. :}

ToBeRevealed,

Why don't you email Dan if you have something on Joran or someone else?

Just in case you want to let Peter de Vries know too.
Tel. 0800-0007 Fax 035-53 99 333
peter.r.de.vries@endemol.nl

ToBeRevealed,


Why don't you email or call
Peter de Vries .
Tel. 0800-0007 Fax 035-53 99 333
peter.r.de.vries@endemol.nl

LOLOLOLOL @ Edward. Still got a crush on SandraK....LOL

I wonder what has happened since Friday for the case?

Maybe ToBeRevealed should have just posted what she knows while she had the chance. What if somebody gets to her to stop her?

If toberevealed is tobebelieved, then she will contact the authorities, or at least write out what she thinks she knows and put it in a safe place, for insurance.

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