Call It An Intervention: Fredheads Need To Get A Life

I find it rather sad to see some otherwise sensible friends on the Right fall victim to a combination of celebrity politics and an echo chamber effect. While also different, they are falling victim to what has left conservatives to invoke the name of Reagan over and over and over, again - to no practical effect. Conservatism isn't any one man. But the difference between Reagan and Thompson is that Reagan could carry the message, clearly Thompson can't. Except to the faithful that don't need to hear it, of course. His popularity among voters started dropping from the day he entered the race.

What does chasing Fred accomplish for conservatism in the end? Frankly, nothing at all. It simply gives Fredheads a feel good moment that someone is speaking to them. They'd do well to take a page from Fred himself. I bet he's spent the last couple days talking to his wife.

If you truly care about conservatism, don't spend these critical days chasing dreams that aren't going to happen and wouldn't have won the day in the end, even if they did happen and Fred stayed in. Odds are, we will be facing Clinton, Inc. come the Fall. And we'll need every dollar and every ounce of energy to beat her, assuming we have a chance. Tell me, what would do the most damage to conservatism, Fred dropping out, or Hillary "getting in?"

If you answer that question honestly, you might come to understand why it's past time to move on. Come on, Fredheads, conservatism needs you. It's time to get a life.

If Fred raises $1 million tomorrow (Tuesday), I’ll add another $1,000. So, if you’re going to complain that I’ve given up on Fred, don’t do it until you’ve spent at least that much money yourself. If you really want Fred to stay in the race, show him the money!

Comments

[Kaitian]

The worse vitrol from the Fredheads has basically been this "I refuse to vote for any of the Republican candidates if Fred drops out and will stay home" when the problem with that is A) It lets the Democrats take the House B) it allows the easy implementation of Fairness Doctrine that will strike down conservatism on the radio waves C) a step closer to Nanny Statism.

[Cory]

Hear hear. Vote for the next best conserevative...and to stop Huckabee and McAmnesty...Vote Romney!

[Fred Beloit]

Why try to stop Hillary? What's wrong with Hillary?

Well, let's take, for example, health care. She wants the U.S. to be a socialistic- medicine country, a compulsory, law-enforced, government-bureaucracy run, system. She has said so. This must be stopped. As bad as what we have now is, and it isn't so bad (look at the longevity increases and the fact that people from all over the world come here for medical treatment for serious conditions), that would be much worse.

Now look Romney right in the eyes and tell me if he would veto such a move by the Dems if he were POTUS. Can you reassure me with his record in Massachusetts? Can you? No. You cannot. He's a go along to get along guy, it seems to me. How could I support someone like that? You want me to vote for this? Why?

[Fred Beloit]

"Boo hoo hoo, godfather, my voice is gone, it's gone." [SLAP] "You could be a man."

Newt Gingrich should be the Rep candidate right now. "Boo hoo hoo. He couldn't be elected." [SLAP SLAP SLAP]

The establishment Repubs and pundits are wrong again. As Ev Dirksen once said to them at a convention: "We followed you before and you led us down the road to defeat."

[PierreLegrand]

I am a Fred Head...

I can vote for Guiliani or Romney. McCain gets the nod and I will simply sit on my hands. There is not enough difference between McCain and Democrats on issues that matter to me. His positions on Immigration, 1st Amendment rights, Government intrusion into the economy, global warming are just as liberal as those of Hillary. Push comes to shove either McCain or Hillary will do just as much damage to the Country. That being said I would rather a Democrat get the blame then a Democrat in Republican clothing.

Anyone dreaming that he might nominate an Alito or Roberts to the court, I have a bridge for sale.

[katablog.com]

What's the difference between Hillary Socialized Health Care and 20 Million illegal aliens allowed a "path to citizenship". In the end, both will bankrupt this country and change it into a USA we won't recognize.

For me, it isn't that it has to be Fred but rather than McAmnesty is just as bad as Socialized Health Care. A candidate who believes that his vision is more important than the vision of those he's elected to represent is just as bad as Hillary openly tell us that she will become dictator.

My vote is suppose to mean something and if it doesn't then this is no longer my country.

[templar knight]

I'm with you, Fred, Mitt is no conservative, never has been, and I'd rather cleanse the Republican Party of these RINOs, and get rid of them for good.

For example, we have a great chance to get gun ownership rights restored to the people of Washington, D.C., and perhaps get a Supreme Court decision that will decide in a postive way for gun owners all over the nation, and what does Bush's Justice Dept. do but turn on us, and put in a brief that partially supports the other side. With friends like these, who the hell needs enemies.

No sir, I rather a Democrat destroy my rights, one I never voted for, than have a RINO who I voted for do it. I'll not vote for Romney. He's no friend to conservatives.

[DJ]

Yo Dan! You get a life! I am a FredHead to the end! An the end has not happened yet!

[delburd]

Well call it vitriol if you like but this FRED HEAD has already voted for Fred absentee in California and I will sit out the general if Fred drops out!(nobody knows what he is doing!) See I am a Conservative and if Fred is out I will not help dilute the Grand Old Party its called loyalty Google it !! Goodbye to all you Pundits RINOs

FUAX news sucks !!!! BOYCOTT FOX NEWS !!!!

[n2sooners]

"Come on, Fredheads, conservatism needs you."

I think it is the other way around. Point me towards a conservative candidate and I will vote for them. I would have been just as happy with Hunter, and I can see myself pulling the lever for Romney, but the rest of the field is only conservative by the liberal definition of conservative which includes Lieberman.

I look at it this way. If a liberal republican wins this year, then in four years the choice will once again be liberal democrat vs liberal republican. But if a democrat wins, then there is still a shot at a conservative candidate in four years. Sad thing is a majority of our field could have been running for the democrat ticket just a couple of elections ago. If this is the way the republican party is going then it is probably about time for a new party for those of us who are conservative across the board.

[Mike O]

I was told the same thing as a Goldwater backer, then as a backer of Reagan in '68 (convention battles; Silly us; a few of us conservative thought Nixon was too shifty.) and '76. Victory for conservative principles is rarely a one-shot affair.

I'll keep the life I have and back Fred to the end; I'll be able to sleep peacefully that way. What about you?

[templar knight]

Dan, I know how much you desire this, but Romney cannot hold the Reagan coalition together. He's a RINO, no friend to social conservatives, and is seen as a flip-flopper by many. Frankly, I don't trust him, don't consider him to be conservative, and many people apparently agree with me. He can't win the general election.

[Bill C]

Dan,

You are right about the over the top cries for sitting out the election and that no other candidate is worthy of a conservative vote. i think what is most frustrating for Fredheads, but which we deny to ourselves, is that Fred could have run a much better campaign if he had stuck to the style that has won for the other candidates. Moreover, Fred could still win, very small odds, if he would just contrast his views with McCain and Romney as much as he did with Huckabee. Fred was never willing to stay on message and to hit his friend McCain hard enough for his message of being the consistent conservative to stick.

[Dan Riehl]

"Romney cannot hold the Reagan coalition together"

I don't know who will get the Rep nod. What I know si that if the libs have the white house and the congress, they'll make the fairness doctrine look fair, even before they start shutting down conservative voices so they can push their agenda without opposition. If you want to abandon your country to that, it's your choice. I put America over everything, particularly ANY one candidate.

I didn't know a true patriot was capable of running and hiding from a fight. And the fight will be what it is come next November, not squabbles over candidates, as qualified cons, or not. The next election will be about the future of this great nation. Enjoy listening to Rush as you sit it out. You might nothave him to listen to for long if the libs get their way. And if teh base doesn't show up to vote for congress and prez. - rest assured, they will.

[S. Weasel]

I wanted to be a Fredhead. I really did. He just came in too late with too little, is all. You have to play the game a little bit to the traditional rules.

[chris]

Wow, a year from today President Clinton will be ordering Rush to Guantanamo. I can't wait. Lets hope he's allowed to bring his PAIN pills.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Wow, a year from today President Clinton will be ordering Rush to Guantanamo. I can't wait."

And hopefully will get graduate by then or shortly thereafter so you can quit screwing around on the computer and go to work. I myself am looking forward to you paying for my health care and I will be drawing from SocSec in about 15 years (wont NEED it, but I am ENTITLED) So get your lazy ass out there and make me some money........ Damn, I'm like a pimp for hilly's hoes.

[chris]

'And hopefully will get graduate by then'

Ahh, the GOP base. Such a sharp bunch.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Ahh, the GOP base. Such a sharp bunch."

They are probably at least sharp enough to have seen at least once that I've said independant. But then, you wouldn't be so easily led if you could remember past sunday morning. Now again, get your ass out there and pay my retirement.

[elixelx]

When the evil Pharoah decreed that all new-born Jewish boys were to be thrown into the river, the Jewish men got together and declared a ban on HAVING SEX WITH THEIR WIVES, lest they would be required to bear the grief of seeing their sons put to death!

Jochebed went to her husband Amram and said "You your group are even GREATER KILLERS than Pharoah; his actions MAY KILL all the Jewish males, but your actions WILL KILL the entire Jewish People, boys and girls, who will never now be born!"

Amram went and told this to his group, who, being sage, agreed with the woman's reasoning and immediatly nullified the ban, much to the relief of Jews, then and now!

Nine months later Jochebed gave birth to a son whose name was Moses. Jochebed is considered to be one of the greatest of the Jewish prophets, on a level with Jeremiah, for saving the Jewish nation.(TALMUD)

So go ahead, Fredheads; kill the entire nation because you cannot bear to see the demise of your favourite son!

[chris]

Pay your retirement? Are you one of those welfare 'necks or something? Cheer up, nascar will be starting up again soon. You can spend YOUR sunday's watching your kind drive around in circles.for.hours. Again, such a bright bunch.

[Papa Ray]

Ignorance I can handle, stupidity is another matter.

It is a long time before anything is settled, and even then it can change at the last minute, read your history.

Everyone keeps saying Fred is out, Fred is dead, when anyone with a lick of sense knows that is not true until he says it is.

Quit doing the MSM's job, they are hurting Fred enough.

I gave AGAIN last night, more than I could afford, but I did it anyway because I believe if Americans stand behind and stand up for Fred, he can become our next President.

And we sure as hell need him to be the next President.

So shut up and put up the money.

Papa Ray
West Texas
USA

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Pay your retirement? Are you one of those welfare 'necks or something?"

Damn you're such a genius, I bet you're getting your degree in something to "help people" and plan to be a social worker one day. You freekin' cut from the post where I said I would be looting SocSec in 15 years. (about the time you learn that it's true, you'll never draw any) I need you to get out of the house and get a couple jobs so I can get mine. As for welfare. You'll also need to work a bit harder because you'll be paying for people who's mommy and daddy couldn't afford to waste a fortune on an ungrateful child's liberal arts degree.

[chris]

Wow, so angry. Why don't you join the Army and channel that anger into something useful, like nation-building. Your leader needs you to help liberate people.

[GregInSeattle]

I sent another $25 to Fred yesterday. So, naa naa nanana to you!

[Rapunzel]

I've supported Rudy from day one and I'm not changing now. He may not be everyone's perfect social conservative, but he is not the worst, either and fiscally he is the most conservative in the race. I watched the democratic debate last night and the dems are salivating at the thought of running against McCain and, franky, Romney is who he thinks we want him to be, there is no core there.

[RH]

Simply accept that there are a huge number of voters out here who hoped that a Fred Thompson candidacy might save the Republican Party. If the party is hell bent on suicide, those very same voters are willing to stay at home and watch the party continue on it's self-inflicted demise absent their figerprints on the weapon of choice, McCain, Huckabee, Romney, etc.

What is really bothering the dedicated party loyalists is not the very real possibility of having a Democrat in the White House, it's that there are actually people who will decide for themselves and simply not be blind followers of a sham party leadership. And those same people have made the individual decision to knowingly accept the downside of their actions much to the chagrin of the cry babys who cannot fathom someone not seeing it their way and following them blindly. Suck it up GOP, your history.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"Wow, so angry. Why don't you join the Army"

My god, it's worse than I feared!! Here I was giving you credit for at least being college age but there's no way YOU ever passed an SAT with those math skills. I can only blame the public schools, it isn't your fault. OK, someone help our little Chrissy. If a person is 15-20 years from drawing SS.......will the "army" take them?

Also, my poor, poor publicly educated child. I just bet if you put own the video games for a few minutes. Even you could find my position on GW's war. Oh, never mind. Anyone who doesn't immediately agree with you MUST be all on board the george train.

Forget your job at DSS and learn to say "Ya want fries with that"

[chris]

"Also, my poor, poor publicly educated child. I just bet if you put own the video games for a few minutes. Even you could find my position on GW's war."

Did you ever get out of 3rd grade? Who taught you grammar???? Perhaps you should spend less time on the internets and more time getting hooked on phonics. These are skills that you can use to better yourself. People don't want to hire/promote someone who can't write in complete sentences. If you worked on it, maybe you wouldn't have to count on some monthly pittance that you will be getting in 15 years.

[EyeSurgeon]

Fred's a great man, and a great conservative. None better in the field.

He has not, however connected with voters.

He is the Sony Betamax candidate--best platform, little acceptance.

Romney may be the VHS candidate--not as good a platform, but acceptable to the masses.

Suck it up, fellow FredHeads. We need to get behind the VHS candidate, or we're going to get the Hilldebeast LaserDisking of a lifetime.

[Wahoo Willie Sez:]

"If you worked on it, maybe you wouldn't have to count on some monthly pittance that you will be getting in 15 years."

Damn, in your zest to try to zing someone and diagram sentences you really should be more attentive. Chrissy, I already said that I wont NEED socsec but will take it because I am ENTITLED. You asked if I am on welfare. Do try to keep up. Chris, I've done my time and I retired way early. Yep, jobs, promotions all behind and I made enough money to retire long before SocSec is made a "living wage" by you kids who are so head strong to pay more taxes.

However, it is very nice out, sun is shining and while you go work the drive through, I am going to go play golf.

[Bill]

If Fred's out I'm voting for Hillary! At least I know what I'll get!

[EyeSurgeon]

Fred's a great man, and a great conservative. None better in the field.

He has not, however connected with voters.

He is the Sony Betamax candidate--best platform, little acceptance.

Romney may be the VHS candidate--not as good a platform, but acceptable to the masses.

Suck it up, fellow FredHeads. We need to get behind the VHS candidate, or we're going to get the Hilldebeast LaserDisking of a lifetime.

[chris]

"However, it is very nice out, sun is shining and while you go work the drive through, I am going to go play golf."

What a life. After you get back you can bbq some fatty meat for your portly bride and private-school-educated offspring.

[What's Going On Here?]

At this point, I'll be voting for Obama in the primary. I really don't care who the republican nominee turns out to be, since that person will lose the election.

Hope. Change. Total Destruction in '08!

[Roy Mustang]

Fred Thompson will vote in the General Election even if Fred Thompson does not get the nomination.

This proves who the true RINOs are.

[Roy Mustang]

And it ain't Fred Thompson.

[alex]

Republican obviously does not equal Conservative. I'm willing to vote for another Conservative candidate. Can you show me one? I thought not.

[John425]

I*'ve donated to Fred 4 times. I'm probably gonna sit out the Presidential election because there are NO conservatives running now. If we have to have a leftist government, I prefer it to be Hillary's because then she will take all the blame for the mess we will be in.

[alex]

I agree with John425. Republicans will fight a lot harder against Hillary than they will against a Republican president. Bush taught us that.

[Steve-o]

Blackmail won't work. Nobody cares about who you won't for, and nobody cares if you join the 40% of the electorate that doesn't vote (the largest party of all). The idea that not voting will rid the party of its' moderate members is wrong. The country club Pubbies will move into more of the positions of power and marginalize the base even more. I remember when Dems held 68 seats in the Senate, plus the Presidency and almost a 2-1 majority in the House. Conservatives didn't win back power by leaving the party. They won it back through something that seems in short supply these days, hard incremental work. Today, people seem to think they can sit at keyboards, make threats and win power. No. You. Can't.

[Roy Mustang]

Thank alex and John425 when Abortion on demand is a constitutional right for another 30 years.

Thank them when your kids are subjected to a "separate but equal" college admissions scheme.

God job, RINOS.

[GOPDieHard]

Although Fred is partially to blame for his weakness of his campaign, most of the blame goes to the MSM for not giving him much exposure. The other candidates receive more of the MSM's time precisely because they are RINO's. McCain is a prime example. The MSM loves him (as much as they can love a republican). My hope is that Fred doesn't drop out. Out of all the GOP candidates, Fred is clearly the most conservative of the lot. I could care less if he is a Hollywood celebrity, so celebrity politics has nothing to do with my support for him.

If Fred does drop out, I will have to throw my support to one of the other candidates. As Thomas Sowell put in an article out today, the lesser of two evils is better than Hillary or Barack.

[alex]

Thank you Roy Mustang for when the word Conservative comes to mean the same thing as Liberal.

You get your wish. Fred is apparently out.
http://wcbstv.com/topstories/thompson.quits.race.2.635410.html

[Roy Mustang]

All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

[RH]

Glad to see an honorable man leave the frey. Now, instead of hoping for something not meant to be, I can focus on the things really important in life, like hunting and fishing. Adios!

[heldmyw]

Ideally, a Romney/Thompson ticket would be the best outcome for me. The business acumen, with a backing of solid conservatism...

We might actually have a V.P. of some worth, use and utility in the great tradition of Dick Cheney!

[LOL]

Great post SteveO, this is what I've been trying to tell the wingers for awhile now. Really your point is why Fred Thompson failed. The man has no work ethic. I find it amusing that wingnuts thought he would be a good general election candidate. He would have been quite possibly the worst choice--Obama or Clinton would have won in a landslide.

Soon you wingers will learn that--as I've stated before--George W Bush not only caused irreparable damage to the USA, but also to the Republican party. It may take decades to recover from his mess.

[Fred Beloit]

"So go ahead, Fredheads; kill the entire nation because you cannot bear to see the demise of your favourite son!"

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

"As Thomas Sowell put in an article out today, the lesser of two evils is better than Hillary or Barack."

So, after setting up a roster of fine RINOs, the Repub movers and shakers and rank and file tell me I must vote for their RINO of choice. It is my patriotic duty to endorse one of their faulty picks so as not to kill the entire nation.

All you have to do now is show me some difference between one of these two lesser evils Sowell, for whom I have great respect, mentions and the two waring pacifists from the other party. So we get liberal-style rule from our own party? I'm thinking about it. I sure don't want to kill the nation. But right now registering as an independent and sitting out the election are looking like the lesser of two evils.